Bottle Rocket (w/ Jacob Phillips)

Eli Price (00:33.783)
This gives me extra work to do at the beginning. Okay, now here we go.

Eli Price (01:16.015)
Hello and welcome to The Establishing Shot, a podcast where we do deep dives into directors and their filmographies. My name is Eli Price. I'm the host of this podcast and this is episode two of The Establishing Shot. Starting off strong by bringing on Jacob Phillips again. Hopefully you listened to last week's episode and met Jacob. If not...

Jacob Phillips (01:38.231)
That's right.

Eli Price (01:45.851)
I would hit the pause button and go load up the episode one because we did a very deep dive into Wes Anderson his background his techniques that sort of stuff, so It's a great primer for the rest of the series. So yeah today were In episode 2 and it'll be our first film in Wes Anderson's filmography, which is bottle rockets. Yeah, so

Jacob Phillips (02:12.17)
Let's go.

Eli Price (02:15.139)
Um, yeah, if you're, uh, unfamiliar with what we're doing here, you know, we're doing deep dives into directors and, um, that means we cover a lot of stuff about the director in general, and then we do each movie, each episode. So we're going to go through all of his movies starting with, uh, today. Um, with bottle rockets. So yeah, since everyone should already know Jacob, um, I do. Uh,

because he's one of my friends. But yeah, since we know each other, we don't have to do any introductions. Let's just jump right in to Bottle Rocket. Yeah, so jump in head first, Dignan style, if you will. Yeah, we made a plan. We have an outline, a seven year plan for the Bottle Rocket episode. And yeah, we're just gonna jump right in. So.

Jacob Phillips (02:53.794)
Let's do it.

Jacob Phillips (03:00.834)
That's right.

Jacob Phillips (03:09.934)
That's right.

Eli Price (03:15.051)
Yeah. Last week, I kind of covered kind of accidentally. I just was like in the moment and I like covered a lot of the the bottle rockets kind of beginnings in that introduction to Wes Anderson. But it's it actually is really important to understand, you know, how this movie got made to kind of understand how he got started. So I'm glad I went ahead and covered that last episode.

Jacob Phillips (03:39.351)
Absolutely.

Eli Price (03:44.515)
But yeah, so we'll just overview that again really quick. You know, this is obviously his first movie. They made the short first. And actually they weren't planning on making a short. They wrote a full script, but they only had enough money to make a short. And so.

Jacob Phillips (04:02.994)
Yeah, and it's just scenes from the movie, essentially. You know, if you watch the movie, oh, which I watched the movie and then I watched the short, and yeah, you're just like, oh, this is just like, basically the first half of the movie.

Eli Price (04:06.519)
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Eli Price (04:11.535)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (04:16.683)
Yeah, yeah, and it's because they when they made it, they weren't doing, you know, we kind of talked about it last week. They weren't doing the typical like, let's make a short so that people can see what the feature will be. And so a studio will pick us up. They were just like, let's start shooting scenes from this, this script that we've written. So, yeah. So, yeah, it's it's funny. It's just funny. That was their mindset. They they weren't really interested in doing.

Jacob Phillips (04:31.743)
Exactly.

Eli Price (04:45.443)
like the typical Hollywood stuff. And they kind of continued that trajectory for the rest of their career. You know, especially Wes Anderson with his writing and directing. But yeah, he he and Owen Willen. Well, Willen. Wow. He and Owen Wilson wrote this together. You know, they actually wrote those first three movies together. Yeah, which was Bottle Rocket.

Rushmore and the Royal Tenenbaums were all co-written by Wes and Owen. So yeah, they really started things off together. You know, yeah, some of the most interesting things about this movie to me and as far as like getting made and I'll let you share anything that you thought was most interesting. But I think the most interesting thing is just like the.

The testament to kind of Wes's especially, but Owen Wilson also as his kind of co-writer, they're just like tenacity through the process of getting this film out there. When you look at, when you read or watch interviews with guys like Jim Brooks and Polly Platt who produced it and even Wes and Owen, they're like, man, this was the worst, the worst process.

You know, Polyplat, one of the producers was like this. It was one of, if not the worst, like test screening movies I've ever like been a part of. Yeah, just like everyone hated it. Like people were writing on like their notes from the screenings, like this sucks, like in all caps, and that was like their only note.

Jacob Phillips (06:23.092)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (06:36.616)
Yeah.

Eli Price (06:39.435)
So I mean imagine like going through your notes and like most of them are like that Yeah

Jacob Phillips (06:44.486)
Yeah, no, for real. I mean, it's like, it's crazy. I mean, you would think that they did something like incredibly offensive in this movie for it to get the type of stuff that it got. I mean, just it was horrible receptions. And we're not sugar like, I'm not sure coding at all. It was awful. Like the reception for it.

Eli Price (06:52.686)
Yeah.

Eli Price (07:02.379)
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like, I'll have to see if I can find one of the things I had written down that Wes said. Yeah, he so in the interview with Wes Anderson, he said, I'm going to find it because it made me chuckle.

Or maybe I will not find it and I'm just going to sit here and flip through pages and make everyone listen to me flipping. Uh, yeah. Oh yeah. He just said, Wes just said, you know, they were kind of asking about like the release of the film and how like all that process was. And Wes was like, yeah, the whole thing was a disaster. That was, that's a direct quote, direct quote from Wes Anderson himself. The whole thing was a disaster. Uh,

Jacob Phillips (07:32.526)
some sort of like ASMR going on, it's all good.

Jacob Phillips (07:49.218)
That's awesome.

Eli Price (07:55.111)
I mean, imagine like going through and making this movie, like pouring everything, you know, months and months into really like a couple of years into making this movie. And then like everyone like hates it. But he he mentions one card that he got where this girl like went into all this detail. I mean, it was like she was she filled out this card all the way.

Jacob Phillips (08:05.537)
Yeah.

Eli Price (08:22.579)
and went into all this detail about things that she saw in the movie and liked. And he said it was like she had written a tiny dissertation on the movie. And he held on to that card. And years later, he was at a screening or a premiere or something. And this girl walked up to him and was saying something about like

you know, I remember being at the screening for bottle rocket. And he's like, I know who you are. Not because like he recognized her, but he knew that she was the only one that liked it. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, I mean, it didn't get any festivals rejected by Sundance, who showed the short originally. And then it opened up just kind of cold.

Jacob Phillips (08:57.848)
That's awesome.

Jacob Phillips (09:03.911)
Yeah, that's really cool.

Eli Price (09:19.095)
like no festival run, just opened up cold. It made I think I wrote down it made four hundred and seven thousand dollars on a five million dollar budget. So just like, yeah, total flop in the in the box office. But really, like if you if you look at like interviews, some interviews with Jim Brooks that I was watching and reading, he he basically says like there is this like

Jacob Phillips (09:31.359)
Min nothing.

Eli Price (09:48.379)
miracle of a review in the L.A. Times and then a series of like reviews and like the movie making top tens list for critics at the end of the year. And really like he kind of says like critics saved their career. It really caught on and it got a cult following. And among that cult following was Martin Scorsese himself, who just loved this movie. Yeah. Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (09:58.07)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (10:13.559)
Yeah.

Eli Price (10:19.289)
Yeah, even eventually, Jim Brooks was talking to Wes, and he's like, well, we made Colt, which got them their start.

Jacob Phillips (10:29.271)
Yeah.

Eli Price (10:31.647)
Yeah, it's it was funny to me how much Scorsese like you could tell by his little article interview in Esquire, I think it was right before or after the release of Rushmore he just like talked about Bob rocket with such like love like he talks about the scene with Dignan like Going back in You know, he says I'm an innocent and he go

I'm innocent, he runs back in and there's that needle drop of the Rolling Stones song. And Martin Scorsese, he said that was a transcendent moment for him. That's how much he loved that movie.

Jacob Phillips (11:06.199)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (11:12.216)
Wow.

Jacob Phillips (11:15.754)
Yeah, number seven on his favorite movies from the 90s for Scorsese.

Eli Price (11:20.567)
Yeah, yeah, I didn't even realize that. I saw you had written that in the notes. Yeah, that's crazy. But yeah, including Scorsese and Jim Brooks, there was a few people that I saw an essay, there was an essay I read in the Wes Anderson collection by Matt's all their sites. They all, like all three, and I think I saw it even elsewhere.

Jacob Phillips (11:26.478)
crazy.

Eli Price (11:47.951)
Describe this movie as like the birth of a voice Like it wasn't just the birth of their career But the birth of a new voice in in filmmaking and so I really think that's like just a testament to how Refined and you know like well Developed Wes was and his eye for you know, just filmmaking that early on You know a kid in his 20s

Jacob Phillips (12:04.107)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (12:14.42)
sure.

Eli Price (12:17.595)
Um, just like trying to do something he had wanted to do for a long time. Um, he even says like, um, his, the thing that like meant the most to him about the movie wasn't, it was after it got made, they, um, they were doing some final test screenings and finally getting some decent reception, um, from some friends that had watched it basically. And, uh, Jim looked at him and he said, well, it's well directed. Um,

And Wes was like, that meant so much to him, like that Jim Brooks told him. Yeah. And it really is. I think it's like, it's not, I don't know that it's fully Wes Anderson quite yet. He had kind of his hands, hands tied in some ways with the way he was allowed to make it and the budget and all that sort of stuff. But yeah, it's very much still.

Jacob Phillips (12:49.687)
Yeah, I bet.

Jacob Phillips (13:03.134)
Yeah, for sure.

Eli Price (13:15.519)
Even if it's not like, full on Wes Anderson, it's very much already like, almost fully developed Wes Anderson from the get go.

Jacob Phillips (13:24.414)
Right, there's some breadcrumbs there that lead you into the next two movies. And especially, I think, Royal Tenenbaum, which is like, if you watch that, you're like, okay, yeah, this is Wes Anderson. Yeah.

Eli Price (13:36.563)
Oh yeah, yeah for sure. But yeah, so like, yeah, was there anything, maybe you can jump right into kind of some key things in the movie that kind of stood out to you, maybe in the techniques or maybe in the themes. I think that's a good point.

Jacob Phillips (13:55.35)
Yeah, I think there's definitely some of those, he has the, is it called the God's Eye view shot? Is that right, where it's the overhead? He has a couple of those. There's a couple of, I think it's in the bookstore where they do the close-up of the book and just any close-up in general. Okay, sweet, sweet. But yeah, and then I missed this, the first.

Eli Price (14:05.123)
Yeah. Right.

Eli Price (14:14.731)
Yes, I have an interesting anecdote about that, by the way.

Jacob Phillips (14:24.502)
when I first watched it, because I was like, man, it seems like all the characters, like when they talk, if you watch the later Wes Anderson movies or even Royal Tenenbaums, you see, we talked about this in the first episode, the symmetry of them looking straight on at each other when there's dialogue, when there's two characters talking. And I was like, oh, he's not really doing that. But I realized after, and I watched a couple videos in leading up to this in the previous episode,

Eli Price (14:44.285)
Mm-hmm.

Jacob Phillips (14:54.654)
where he's actually very still symmetrical, where like the characters are off-center, but they're off-center like perfectly, you know what I mean? When they're talking to each other. So there's still like a lot of that symmetry there with that. So yeah, there's, like you said, it's not fully him, but there's a lot of breadcrumbs that kind of lead you and you can tell you, but oh yeah, there's that, there's that. And which I kind of like, if you haven't watched

Eli Price (14:58.306)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (15:03.211)
Right, right.

Jacob Phillips (15:24.078)
It's kind of cool going back and watching this one to kind of see, you know, like where it kind of all started, you know?

Eli Price (15:29.744)
Mm-hmm.

Right, yeah. Yeah, and it's, that is, so there's actually like, if you start watching through these movies, you'll notice like he does the symmetry thing in different ways. So like sometimes it is that like center frame, like front on view, but a lot of times, especially like in dialogue cuts, they are like, so it'll cut back and forth and you know, Dignan will be on this side of the screen and then when it does the.

Jacob Phillips (15:45.332)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (15:48.75)
bright.

Jacob Phillips (16:00.631)
Right.

Eli Price (16:01.595)
cut to Anthony talking, he'll be on this side of the screen with the background going on. Yeah, so, yeah, he's already doing that sort of symmetrical, like editing and cutting. And that's very much like something that you'll see through the rest of his filmography. And if you were to ask him why he does it, he probably would just say, just because I like it.

Jacob Phillips (16:28.628)
Yeah, exactly.

Eli Price (16:29.335)
That's his answer to like a lot of those sorts of questions. I like it that way Yeah Yeah, absolutely. I had I had actually written down like a few like just kind of what Those sort of Wes Anderson touches that you kind of see the first of here in bottle rocket. There's um You know there there's a few

Jacob Phillips (16:33.706)
Yeah, I mean, do what you like and that's what he does.

Eli Price (16:54.503)
more on top of this and rush more and probably like when we get to rent Royalton and bombs, we'll see a few more West touches kind of show up for the first time in these first few movies. But this one had a lot of them, actually, when I started thinking about it. You have the whip pan on the bus when it's looking at the driver and then it whips over to Anthony and Dignan talking on the bus.

So that was a first you have of course you have the future of font already Which is yeah, that's the font and like all of his movies Our friend Hayden who will be on next week to talk about Rushmore was mentioned When we started seeing the Asteroid City poster in our little text group. He was like what no future of fun yeah, and so the

Jacob Phillips (17:26.445)
Mm-hmm. Classic.

Jacob Phillips (17:46.739)
Yeah, no for real.

Eli Price (17:50.359)
You get that for the first time and that's obviously all through his movies, except for, I guess, Asteroid City. And then the needle drops, man, then those, those needle drops on the soundtrack, which if I'm, if I'm speaking a foreign language, when I say needle drops, all that means is it's the idea of like in exactly the right moment in a scene, you drop the needle on that track.

for the soundtrack and it's just the perfect song for that moment. He's got that already. I mentioned Scorsese. Scorsese's a bit of a king of the needle drops himself.

Jacob Phillips (18:25.791)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (18:29.054)
Yeah. And I think that's probably why he like admired not, I mean, that's not the only thing, but like that, that definitely is like, I'm sure if you're good at that as in as good as Scorsese is, I'm sure he was like, Oh yeah, that's the good stuff right there.

Eli Price (18:43.179)
Yeah, yeah, and he did. I mean, he's in that little piece in Esquire. He focuses on that. That was his transcendent moment, was that needle drop of 2,000 men by Rolling Stones there in that scene. Yeah, so you get the needle drops. And then you actually get the first little scene of an adult acting like a child and a child acting like an adult.

Jacob Phillips (18:51.074)
Okay.

Jacob Phillips (19:12.107)
Absolutely.

Eli Price (19:12.131)
with Anthony and his little sister, which is always comical and kind of like, you know, really, it really like builds the character out. Okay, like you have this adult acting like a child, but it's not just like that flip. It's also like when he does that, it highlights in what ways Anthony is still like a child. Like it highlights his character. So you get that.

Jacob Phillips (19:33.227)
Right.

Eli Price (19:38.719)
And the last thing I had written down that was kind of a first is like all those West loves to throw in like inanimate objects just in transitions like You'll be going through something like a scene and then like there'll be a transition to another scene and you'll see like He'll just have a frame of an inanimate object or a few and then move on You know, I love the little when they're at the very beginning when they're robbing The house which you find out

Uh is anthony's house anthony's parents house, uh You find that out a few minutes later But um, there's this scene where like anthony's going through and they're like kind of grabbing stuff stealing and there's all these little soldiers Um lined up on you know, I assume it's anthony's room actually his room Uh on a table. There's a little toy like wooden soldiers and there's one kind of a skew

Jacob Phillips (20:09.968)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (20:26.604)
Oh yeah.

Eli Price (20:33.783)
And he stops and looks at it for a second, and it cuts to them, and you see his hand come up and straighten it up. It's like, man, that's what Wes Anderson does with his filmmaking. Yeah, and actually, when you listen to crew members, they'll talk about how he'll say, they'll be shooting a scene, and he'll stop it, and he'll say, can you lean forward just a little bit more?

Jacob Phillips (20:39.201)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (20:45.154)
For sure.

Eli Price (21:01.783)
like to the actor, like so like he's like, OK, yeah, right there. Now, now go again. Like he actually does that, like in his filmmaking. So I love that. Yeah, a lot of Wes Anderson touches that are that you see the first of there in Bottle Rocket. Yeah. What I mean, was there anything else like technique wise that you notice that like stood out to you?

Jacob Phillips (21:03.169)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (21:12.55)
Oh yeah, so meticulous.

Eli Price (21:31.059)
You mentioned the symmetry already and the cuts between characters and that sort of thing. Was there anything else that stood out?

Jacob Phillips (21:34.328)
Mm-hmm.

Jacob Phillips (21:42.334)
So there's a slow-mo at the very end, it's classic. And there's the pool scene, loves to shoot people underwater swimming. So there's that as well. Yeah, I mean, there's just a lot, like I don't know, like you said, it's the breadcrumbs of everything. You know, it's hard to always like, you know, I guess.

Eli Price (21:46.148)
Yes, yes.

Eli Price (21:54.202)
Yes.

Eli Price (22:04.942)
Mm-hmm.

Jacob Phillips (22:09.046)
say it directly what it is, but it's just like, I just know that that's Wes Anderson, even though it's not fully fleshed out, like I know that it's there, but yeah, I mean, it really is like, this is just a really fun movie in general, and so the dialogue, I think, is also very Wes Anderson-esque, which is like, you know, it's not really, you know, we talked about in the last episode, it's not really like realistic dialogue, but it still feels like real in a way.

Eli Price (22:13.657)
Yeah.

Eli Price (22:24.249)
Yeah.

Eli Price (22:28.788)
Oh yeah, for sure.

Eli Price (22:39.459)
Yeah, emotionally. Yeah, it's that it feels in the movie making, it's like he makes it so you know you're watching a movie. But the emotion of it all is authentic. And the characters are authentic. Yeah. And we'll probably talk about next week with Rushmore. That is even more emphasized. So we'll probably get into that theme a little bit.

Jacob Phillips (22:53.442)
Definitely.

Eli Price (23:08.067)
when we talk about that movie. But you do, like you said, already see kind of the breadcrumbs of that here with Bottle Rocket. And you mentioned the slow-mo man, like that scene at the very end with, which by the way, I don't think I mentioned this, but this is a spoiler podcast. You're supposed to watch the movie and then listen to the episode. Or maybe you want to hear us analyze it and then watch it.

That's fine, too. You do what you want to do, but just know that we are going to talk about the whole movie. So if we already spoiled something, sorry. But I'm not going to say that every episode. You just got to know. Yeah. Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (23:51.53)
Yeah, I mean, this movie is almost 30 years old. So like, you know, you should see it.

Eli Price (24:00.691)
Yeah, so that scene at the end with Dignan, it's the very end of the movie, you get that first slow-mo with the soundtrack going. And he always does those slow-mo moments to really emphasize or highlight the emotion of the moment is one thing that I love about it. And it works like gangbusters for me, that scene. Like it hits me.

Jacob Phillips (24:23.118)
100%.

Eli Price (24:30.499)
I didn't cry or anything, but I felt it deeply. You can see in that slow mo, Dignan turning back and looking. You see this look in his eye. And we'll get into the themes of I have my own idea of what's going on in that moment. I'll share that in a minute, though. And then you get just all these little quirky kind of, you know.

Jacob Phillips (24:33.131)
Yeah, no for sure.

Eli Price (24:59.991)
I'm not sure Wes Anderson likes the idea of his films being quirky, but there are quirks to it. You had mentioned the little book where like, they're robbing a bookstore or a library or something like, yeah. And so they're robbing it and Anthony's like looking for one of the other workers, like with his little mask on and everything. And he just like randomly grabs a book and he opens it up and it's like a

Jacob Phillips (25:14.483)
It's yeah, I think it's a bookstore.

Eli Price (25:29.067)
about World War Two planes and it kind of like you just get a frame of him walking with that book like and like you're like scanning the page with him like why is he doing that who knows but but actually so in the theatrical version it was a different book like the the studio was like that this doesn't make any sense why is it the World War Two plane book and so they made them change it and they changed it to like it was kind of like a

Jacob Phillips (25:45.058)
Okay.

Eli Price (25:57.507)
I don't know kind of like a self-help book or something and it had something to do with like Here's some ways you can like grow or something. They're like, oh that makes more sense, you know For but like really like so they added that back. So on HBO Max was it that criterion version of the movie? A lot of times on HBO Max like they'll have like at the beginning the criterion little see do you remember? Okay, so it

Jacob Phillips (26:22.)
I can't remember if it was or not.

Eli Price (26:27.083)
It was that version. If that's what you did, you see the World War Two plane. Yeah, so they added it back in when they did the criterion restoration. They added that back in instead of the other book, because that's what Wes wanted. And because he was like, I just think that's what that character would have grabbed. You know, he would have grabbed this random World War Two book like a kid. Like it's like a book that a kid would like, think is cool, you know. And Anthony kind of has that.

Jacob Phillips (26:30.102)
I'm pretty sure, yeah. If I remember correctly, yeah. Okay.

Jacob Phillips (26:38.882)
That's awesome.

Jacob Phillips (26:54.017)
Yeah.

Eli Price (26:56.111)
Childlike kind of mind like and way of thinking. Yeah, so I love that It's those like little character details that you know, and that's why I say this isn't this movie isn't really Full on Wes Anderson because of those like studio choices that you get Yeah, but yeah I think Yeah

Jacob Phillips (26:58.926)
Definitely.

Jacob Phillips (27:15.266)
Right.

Eli Price (27:23.119)
kind of going off of that idea of like Anthony being childlike, you kind of get this like heavy theme of characters in a kind of a rest of development. Like they are kind of stuck, they're adults but they're stuck in this like childlike mindset or way of thinking or way of life. I don't know, did you kind of get the heavy vibes of that?

Jacob Phillips (27:33.154)
Right.

Jacob Phillips (27:40.136)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (27:49.294)
Oh yeah, I mean, so like my whole like, I guess read on the movie, like just kinda how I felt, cause you know, we talked about in the last episode, all of the characters and everything is based on like just people they slash Wes Anderson knew. And I feel like this kinda movie, it feels like any sort of like childhood friendship. Like everyone probably had a friend like Dignan at some point in their life.

Eli Price (28:06.695)
Mm-hmm.

Jacob Phillips (28:18.602)
where it's just like, all right, man, you go and I'm just gonna follow along and do whatever you say. But Dignan's super, I think you can tell he's trying to prove himself. He's a little insecure with everything. And yeah, exactly. And just some of the ways that all these plans are drawn up and imagined, it just feels like kids talking, imagining how they're going to figure out how they're gonna play together. You know what I mean?

Eli Price (28:18.63)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (28:30.671)
Yeah.

little overzealous.

Eli Price (28:45.238)
Mm-hmm.

Jacob Phillips (28:48.53)
all those plans and things like that. Like that's really how it feels. Yeah, exactly. Like just different things where it's like, man, it just feels like kids like planning out their future type of a thing. And it's so funny. Like with Dignan, again, I feel like everyone knows a Dignan in their life. And he's one of my favorite characters Wes has ever put on film.

Eli Price (28:49.323)
Yeah, it's got the seven year plan.

Eli Price (29:12.683)
Yeah, yeah, you were telling me right after you watched it that he might be one of your just like all time favorite characters in general now after watching this movie.

Jacob Phillips (29:19.398)
Yeah, I mean, he is incredible and so realistic. Like, seriously, I feel like I've known several dignans in my life. Maybe not to the crime perspective, but just like in general with their lives and stuff like that.

Eli Price (29:28.023)
Yeah. And it... Right.

Yeah, they get this like kind of giddy like child excitement about like what they want to do or like this idea that like is never going to work, but they're just so excited. You can't tell them no. Like you can't like take them aside and be like, hey, this isn't going to work. You know, you got to move on. Instead, you're just like, okay, let's let's you know let's do it. Why not. You're so excited about it. Let's go for it.

Jacob Phillips (29:55.75)
Yeah. Yeah. And early in the movie, after they buy the weapons, like Bob, I think it's like trying to like touch the gun and dignity is like, like, no, you can't touch my gun like stop like it's just a very like, kitty interaction of like, no, don't touch my stuff. You can't play with my stuff.

Eli Price (30:08.737)
Yeah.

Eli Price (30:14.015)
Right. Yeah. It's like I bought it. I bought it. It was my money. Yeah. Great. Fantastic. And it's and they were they were they were like friends and roommates. All of those guys, they were like living together in that apartment in Dallas. Like it's funny, Bob. His I'm trying to think of his last name in real life. I just it's not coming to me. But the guy that plays.

Jacob Phillips (30:19.694)
Hehehe

Jacob Phillips (30:26.239)
Yeah.

Eli Price (30:43.927)
plays him in the movie. He. He was like auditioning, so they just like kind of gathered together some people they knew to like audition for these parts and they were going to give it to him. And he just like didn't really audition well for the part. And then this other guy auditions that they knew like they weren't as good friends with him, but like and then he like did really well with his audition, but they.

They didn't do it the normal way you're supposed to do auditions, which is like bring in one person at a time. Like Bob was still there. Like seeing this other guy, like destroy his audition and his was so bad. And he like convinced him. He's like, let me try it again. And like, so he auditioned again. And like after seeing that guy and was actually, Wes was like, Oh, well now he's now it seems like he's perfect for it. So it, you know, it worked out.

Jacob Phillips (31:25.965)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (31:40.951)
That's awesome.

Eli Price (31:42.767)
But yeah, they were just friends like. Hanging out, deciding to make a movie, and then they were all they acted in it. You know.

Jacob Phillips (31:52.15)
Yeah, and Owen wasn't supposed to be in the movie, I don't think, initially.

Eli Price (31:56.899)
I don't remember. Maybe, I don't know. I didn't see it. I don't remember seeing that.

Jacob Phillips (32:01.398)
Yeah, I thought, because I think he was like, like this is like his debut. I mean, it's pretty much all their debuts, but I think if I remember correctly, like he was just like sticking with the writing and they, I guess, I don't know the full story, but I just think I saw a blurb that like he wasn't supposed to be in initially. So I don't know how he got convinced, but man, I'm really glad he did because like he's incredible in this movie. True.

Eli Price (32:07.243)
Mm hmm. Yeah.

Eli Price (32:25.771)
Yeah, probably by necessity. It's like we only have so many friends, like somebody's got to do this part. But yeah, I mean, it launched his career for sure. Like, which, you know, Owen Wilson, I mean, he hasn't had like an accolades career like like Leo, but he's had a great career. He's and, you know, I think he's a good actor.

Jacob Phillips (32:31.724)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (32:44.851)
No, but...

Jacob Phillips (32:48.811)
Absolutely.

Eli Price (32:55.015)
And yeah, it's just just that that camaraderie between these guys like comes across in the movie. You know, at one point, even I remember West saying like because someone was asking about like where the tone for this movie came and he's like, well, it's it's it's there. Like the kind of like seeds of it are there in the script. But really, like it's the

Jacob Phillips (33:13.549)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (33:24.799)
It's the acting that brings out the tone. And, you know, even it's it's funny. There's a if you you can find an interview with Robert Yeoman, who's the the DP cinematographer. And he he talks about how he was talking to Wes. He was like, yeah, you know, they were talking about him coming and doing the movie. And he was like, so, you know, who are you having in it? And he's just like, you know, these guys. And he's like, oh.

He was like taking a back that like he wasn't like going to get a real actor in the movie and he was just kind of like, oh, OK, you know, kind of, I guess, thinking in the back of his head, well, we'll see how this goes, you know. Yeah, and really like, I think because they are just like friends acting in this movie as characters who are friends like that humanity.

Jacob Phillips (33:58.829)
Right.

Jacob Phillips (34:06.538)
Yeah, for real.

Eli Price (34:23.351)
Of the characters really like comes across so well You know, I was one of the standout scenes to me was It's that scene where they're at the gas station and Dignan is you know telling him about the the long crew and Anthony's like kind of upset about it and he's like no, you know, it's a front or whatever and then a

Jacob Phillips (34:45.335)
Yeah.

Eli Price (34:51.999)
Anthony's like, well, why aren't you with him now? And Dignan says, because I got fired. And it's funny, but also the way Wes moves the camera in on Owen as Dignan, and he talks about his being really like, it's like that child, like this child had a big dream, but he kind of like, and he.

Jacob Phillips (35:03.703)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (35:16.685)
Yeah.

Eli Price (35:19.583)
and he knew he could do it, but he kind of messed up a little bit and lost the chance to, you know, do what he wanted to do. Like you hear that in the way that Owen delivers that line as Dignan, and then you get that cut back to Anthony and you can see like there's not a lot going on in his expression, but there's enough where you can see like the kind of dawn of realization like I can't be angry at my friend like

Jacob Phillips (35:27.263)
Exactly, yeah.

Jacob Phillips (35:47.606)
Yeah.

Eli Price (35:48.927)
He needs me. He's not just being foolish. He's trying to heal. He's trying to figure out what he wants to do. And he needs me to be here for him. And that came across to me so heavily in that scene. And yeah, just that humanity and that bond that you get from these characters is just so good.

Jacob Phillips (36:18.41)
Yeah, no doubt. I mean, there's so many moments like that too, where Anthony is just kind of like, he's basically having a baby, Dignan, because he doesn't want to hurt his feelings. You know what I mean? He doesn't want to, like he's finally telling him no in some circumstances, but then there's others where, you know, he's just like that moment, especially where he's, and then right before the big heist, where he's kind of like, all right, I kind of have to like say yes, so I don't, you know, I don't want to lose my friend here.

Eli Price (36:27.314)
Mm-hmm.

Jacob Phillips (36:47.946)
you know, or really stomp on him in his dreams.

Eli Price (36:51.723)
Yeah, yeah, and yeah, it's, and they really are like, they're like kids that like aren't sure where they're headed, but they have like big dreams and they have big aspirations. And, you know, Wes, in an interview, he kind of talks about these characters, you know, you think about like, if this was someone in your life, like how, you know, I was trying to put myself in the shoes of, okay, if this was

a real person that I knew that was kind of this way. I would probably have a tendency to kind of look down on them and just like kind of, you know, look down my nose at them and think like, you know, man, get your stuff together. Like you're such a slacker kind of thing. Like, but Wes, the Wes's and Wes's mind, they aren't slackers. He said they're not slackers.

Jacob Phillips (37:37.247)
Yeah.

Eli Price (37:47.903)
I wrote down this quote. They're not slackers. They're always trying to find a way out And it is it's like it's like that idea of being a kid and You know, everyone thinks you're nothing and you're not important But really like you're just doing your best to like find a way to be something And I think that I think that does come across in the movie, you know with with these guys you

Jacob Phillips (38:05.752)
Yeah.

Eli Price (38:16.375)
You want us think like man, they really need to get their stuff together. But at the same time like they're kind of like Doing their best. They're giving it their best go even if it's like kind of a Comical thing that they're giving their best go at which is, you know robbery Yeah

Jacob Phillips (38:25.208)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (38:33.322)
Right, crime. Yeah, and I think if you look at it, again, from the perspective and knowing Wes of like, hey, it's a childlike perspective that we're viewing these characters as, like you said, it would be easy if you don't know any of that to be like, why am I supposed to be rooting for any of these guys? They just seem like losers and things like that. But if you view it from that childlike perspective, you see, like you said, they're just trying their best. They're just big kids with imaginations.

Eli Price (38:52.996)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (39:03.549)
Mm-hmm.

Jacob Phillips (39:03.618)
And just like we wouldn't necessarily like, you wouldn't look at an eight year old and be like, you gotta get your life together, man. Like, come on, you gotta step up. Like, you wanna be an astronaut? You know, that's not realistic. You know what I mean? Like, you don't tell kids that. And that's the way that they kind of interact and act in this movie is that they're just like, man, I wanna be a robber. I wanna be a person that does scores, you know, and heists.

Eli Price (39:10.379)
Yeah.

Eli Price (39:15.823)
Right.

Eli Price (39:29.883)
Mm-hmm Yeah, yeah, and it's you know, Wes doesn't look down on them I think is a big thing like you can tell Wes is not Wes doesn't see himself as the writer and director as like better than these characters And I think that really comes across right, you know, it's it's him and it's people he knows and it's these ideas about life and you know trying to

Jacob Phillips (39:36.385)
Right.

Jacob Phillips (39:46.154)
Right. Because he is these characters.

Eli Price (39:59.255)
something. I think that brings me to just something that like came across to me as I finished the movie and I was just thinking about like just thinking about the making of this film like these guys making this movie like getting you know Wes especially getting to do something that like he had wanted to do since he was a kid and like thinking about like what was it that made them keep going

like amidst all of like the stuff that was against them, like the odds are stacked against them like so heavily. But he kept going and he found ways like to, like finding that one card that said something positive in the screenings, like finding ways like to keep going. And I think that comes across in these characters. He mentioned him in,

in the Wes Anderson collection, the interview with them, they talk about Godard. I'm terrible at pronouncing French names sometimes. But he has this quote where he says, every film is a documentary of its actors. And I think to me, it just feels like Bottle Rocket captures what these guys were experiencing in that moment in their lives.

You know, they were getting to do this thing that people would say, like, you can't do that for a career. Like Dignan and Anthony are like robbing, trying to make a career of robbery. It's like, you can't do that for a career. But like, that's a silly thing. And like obvious, but like they wanted to write and direct movies.

And like you think about like when you're sharing dreams and aspirations with like family and friends and they're like, you know, that's cute. But, you know, you can't make a career of doing that. You know, you need to find something more stable and consistent. You know, you you hear those sorts of things. And I think that parallel is is very strong between these characters in the movie and what was happening in their lives.

Eli Price (42:20.195)
Like we're getting to actually do this thing that we love, that we want to do, that excites us, that gives us a reason to get up in the morning. And yeah, it's just, and I think that's why that last scene to me just speaks volumes. Because they're visiting Dignan in jail. And.

Jacob Phillips (42:30.667)
Yeah.

Eli Price (42:49.187)
You know, they're they're just talking and laughing about, you know, everything that happened to them, kind of looking back on it like, man, we did that. Like it, it was, it kind of sucked. And like, it didn't really work how we wanted it to, but we did it. Um, and, you know, I'm thinking about just thinking about like Wes and Owen and all of those guys doing the same thing, like the, the screenings were terrible, we made no money, but we did it.

Like we did the thing that we wanted to do. And when Dignan looks back at them, you can just see in his eyes. And what I saw in his eyes was, in that emotional slow-mo, was just the idea of, if you go down doing the thing that you love, like doing the thing that gives you life, at least you got to do the thing that you love. And man, I love that idea.

Jacob Phillips (43:19.073)
Yeah.

Eli Price (43:47.939)
You know, go for it. Do the thing that you love. Do the thing that gives you life. Because even if you go down doing it, you got to do that thing. And you got to feel alive. And you got to do what you love.

Jacob Phillips (43:57.09)
Yeah, exactly.

Eli Price (44:03.543)
Yeah, I just love that. Did you have any thoughts, any more thoughts about just kind of what's going on with that parallel in their lives?

Jacob Phillips (44:17.514)
Yeah, no, I think it's 100% like that idea, don't live a life with regrets. Don't do something that you'll look back on and think, man, I regret that I didn't ever do that when I had the chance to. And these guys are fresh out of college and getting the opportunity to make a movie. And they've had to, I mean, uproot their lives. I mean, they spent, we talked about in the last episode, they spent a year in Hollywood rewriting

the script and things like that. And you think about the time that they're in, like it's the only time that they're really flexible enough to be able to do something like that. You know, it was a now or never type thing for them. And I think Dignan kind of has that view of, hey, it's now or never for us if we do this. And so yeah, you know, obviously it leads to Dignan being imprisoned, but you know, it's a fun story for them to look back on and.

Eli Price (44:50.127)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (45:01.721)
Right.

Jacob Phillips (45:16.018)
who knows how any of these characters ended up, but you'd like to think that maybe they learned from it and did do something hopefully more stable after that. But yeah.

Eli Price (45:19.353)
Yeah.

Eli Price (45:26.551)
Yeah. Yeah, I'd like to imagine, you know, opens up with Anthony fake escaping from kind of like a I don't know what you would call it, like a psychiatric hospital maybe. It's Yeah, he went there and you kind of get hints at why he was there throughout the film like he just

Jacob Phillips (45:42.75)
Yeah, and it was weird because he said it was voluntary that he went.

Eli Price (45:56.235)
You know, it makes sense. Like he he's kind of in a rut. He doesn't know what to do with his life. And he kind of has, I guess, a breakdown of sorts and decides he needs to go to this, this like psychiatric hospital and check himself in totally voluntarily. Yeah, that that opening scene is funny. But yeah, you know, I like to think at the end of the movie, like. He's kind of.

Matured and grown and like is healthier now like he might not ever Have a life of robbery like he thought was exciting, but like he's in a healthier like more mature place because Because he did because he did what he wanted to do like he did what was exciting to him and Yeah

I like to think Anthony, you know, won't ever have to check himself back in to the psychiatric hospital again, you know, at the end of the movie.

Jacob Phillips (46:56.054)
Yeah. Yeah. And I will say, I know Wes doesn't do like sequels or anything, but I would love like a Wes Anderson directed movie just based on Anthony being a children's soccer coach. That would just be absolutely hilarious. Like that whole sequence is awesome. And I love that just quick moment of him being a soccer coach. And I'm like, I can't imagine how

Eli Price (47:04.004)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (47:15.51)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (47:23.978)
this would go in real life, you know? So I'd love to see that fully fleshed out.

Eli Price (47:27.407)
Yeah.

Yeah, you know, I imagine he's probably a better soccer coach than Will Ferrell in kicking and screaming. So so he probably has that going for him. I don't know if that's saying much, but but yeah, you know. Yeah, you know, I don't I don't think I have anything else. You know, there are some like, I guess, technical elements that aren't as strong here, but.

Jacob Phillips (47:35.472)
Right.

Jacob Phillips (47:41.611)
It's not, but...

Eli Price (47:58.595)
that we didn't really touch on. The production design isn't quite as strong here. You don't get the sets and the backgrounds that you'll start seeing with Rushmore. And it's really, yeah, it's not as colorful. You do still kind of have some colors attached here and there to characters. But yeah, you already have them. You do already have the music and the soundtrack.

Jacob Phillips (48:03.329)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (48:08.458)
Yeah, it's not as colorful either.

Jacob Phillips (48:26.294)
Yeah.

Eli Price (48:27.119)
kind of that's very West, but as far as like the colors and the production design, it's funny because you don't get that here. And I wonder how much of that was because of maybe their budget or just like the studio, like kind of like tying their hands because you go, you go from this to Rushmore and it's like Rushmore is like, it's like going from like zero to a hundred as far as that stuff goes. So,

Jacob Phillips (48:38.562)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (48:50.738)
No, definitely. Yeah, and then you go to Royal Ten of Wombs and it's like to a million after that.

Eli Price (48:56.799)
Yeah. Yeah. But yeah. So I, you know, I rated this movie. I have my little notebook like kind of has where you can kind of rate each element of it. Yeah, there were some there were some parts of this that I thought were like a little bit weaker as far as that goes, like, like the set design and like the, you know,

Jacob Phillips (49:21.6)
Yeah.

Eli Price (49:23.767)
The editing, his editing isn't quite fully formed, but you see the potential for it sort of thing. The sound design, you know, just some elements like that aren't fully formed, but man, this is still like a eight out of 10 for me. You know, I love, this movie I liked more than the first time I saw it for sure, watching it this time around. And maybe that's, maybe it's just because like, I'm putting so much.

thought and work into researching it and thinking about it that it makes my love grow for it. But yeah, it's an 8 out of 10 for me. Four stars out of five. What did you give Bottle Rocket, Jacob?

Jacob Phillips (49:55.598)
Sure.

Jacob Phillips (50:10.774)
Yeah, I gave it four out of five stars as well. I think it's just, like I said earlier, it's a really fun movie. I definitely think that it's choppy at times, which again, it's their first movie, so that makes sense. It drags at times. He gets the pacing down much better as he goes along. And I did feel like it felt longer than it actually is, and that's just some of the pacing stuff. But...

Eli Price (50:19.814)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (50:25.506)
Mm-hmm.

Jacob Phillips (50:39.254)
The dialogue is fantastic even for his first movie. And I really, I mean, like whenever, you know, we were doing the research and talking about all this, like the fact that this is like Owen Wilson's debut and that he had no formal training is like amazing because he's throwing like a hundred miles per hour in this movie. Like he is just awesome. And I mean, I think Bob's really like the only like weak part for me, like watching it.

Eli Price (50:43.576)
Yeah.

Eli Price (50:56.168)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (51:00.246)
Oh yeah.

Eli Price (51:06.171)
Sure. Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (51:07.958)
But Luke and Owen are great.

Eli Price (51:10.063)
Luke. Yeah, Luke is great. And man, I don't know how he arguably has the best romance between Anthony and I know it's like we didn't touch on that. But like, man, when he makes that phone call and she says that she loves him to man, I was like beaming. I was so happy for him. Like and I don't know if you get that in any other Wes Anderson movie. Like that sort of like just like I'm so happy that they're together kind of feeling.

Jacob Phillips (51:17.035)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (51:27.234)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (51:39.039)
Right.

Eli Price (51:40.687)
But yeah, we didn't really touch on that. But yeah, that's in there too. So, you know, that's a point for bottle rocket for sure. Best romance in a Wes Anderson movie.

Jacob Phillips (51:47.462)
Oh yeah. Yeah, and that sequence where the, I forget what the other hotel worker's name is, but the one that's basically the translator, and he tells Dignan, I love you, or tell Anthony and I love him, and he's like, yeah, I don't know why.

Eli Price (51:56.551)
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, he doesn't say that. He doesn't say tell Anthony, he's just translating. So he just says, like Dignan turns around and he says, I love you. Yeah, and he's like, what? He's like, tell Anthony I love you. He's like, okay.

Jacob Phillips (52:05.455)
Okay, that's right, that's right.

Jacob Phillips (52:11.702)
Danan's like, what the heck? Like, what's going on here?

Jacob Phillips (52:18.77)
All right, man. Was he translating or was he saying it? What do you mean? There's so many good moments like that. Yeah.

Eli Price (52:21.468)
Oh, that's great.

Eli Price (52:27.394)
It's like no concept of translation for Dignan.

Man, but yeah, so yeah, so two eight out of tens for bottle rocket for us Yeah, you know, this is a great great intro to Wes Anderson's movies for sure and so Yeah, so I hope everyone will stick around Obviously, we're gonna hit up Rushmore next week. But also before that We're gonna go for a quick break. And did you have something?

Jacob Phillips (53:00.662)
Yeah, I got one question. Would you say, like for someone now, like if they were getting into Wes Anderson, would you throw them bottle rocket first or would you recommend something else?

Eli Price (53:02.639)
Okay.

Eli Price (53:11.999)
You know, that's a good question.

Eli Price (53:16.643)
I think I don't think I would start with bottle rocket if it was just if it was just like Let's let's start. Let's start someone off cold with Wes Anderson. You know, they're not listening to this podcast sort of thing I Would say I would say either start off with like mr. Fox Because it's it's a little less like

Jacob Phillips (53:20.802)
I don't think I would either.

Jacob Phillips (53:31.745)
Yeah.

Eli Price (53:46.431)
It's it. I guess it like makes that kind of like wit and preciseness and kind of like dryness and it makes it more palpable because it's animated. Yeah. Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (53:52.139)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (54:01.086)
Right, and the fantasticalness of it is more palpable, like you said, once you, because it's animated and it's because it's talking animals.

Eli Price (54:08.439)
Right. Yeah, so I would say probably start off with either like Mr. Fox or maybe even, you know, Royal Tenenbaums is like he's he's kind of getting fully formed there, but I think it's just it's a good introduction to him. I would say I would want to say I want to say Grand Budapest, but that might be a bit much too. But.

Jacob Phillips (54:24.028)
Yeah.

Eli Price (54:35.479)
I would say probably Mr. Fox, a rule of the ten and bombs. So now, like now, if it's someone that's already like really into film and hasn't just hasn't have like watched any Wes Anderson before, just because they haven't gotten around to it, you know, just like the idea of like, I'm I want to watch Wes Anderson movies now, and I'm going to watch them in order. Like, I think it's fine because that sort of person is going to be like.

Jacob Phillips (54:38.006)
Yeah, I would agree there.

Jacob Phillips (55:04.796)
invested.

Eli Price (55:05.103)
kind of looking for these things we're talking about already. Like, OK, let me see what this director does first so I can see kind of how he progresses as he continues to make movies. Yeah, so yeah, that was a really good question. I'm glad you interrupted me to ask. Yeah. Did you have one that you would recommend first other than those two?

Jacob Phillips (55:16.119)
Yeah, for sure.

Jacob Phillips (55:23.12)
Sorry.

Jacob Phillips (55:29.898)
Yeah, I mean, Fantastic Mr. Fox, that's the first one I watched. And so I would definitely agree that that would be probably the best, just because you kind of get the full scope of it while also being in an animated movie. We talked about a lot on the last episode how fantastical and sort of, I guess, unrealistic some of the stuff he does is. So it makes more sense in that sort of a movie. So then once you go to the live action, you see that, especially in...

Eli Price (55:34.013)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (55:45.019)
Mm-hmm.

Jacob Phillips (55:58.238)
Royal Ten of Moms, you're like, oh, okay, so this is, that's kind of how it's going to be. You know, the world that he builds is, is going to be a different world, essentially.

Eli Price (56:07.947)
Yeah, Moonrise Kingdom might be a good one, too. That's the one that I'm most removed from from when I first saw it, so I don't have a great memory of it. Looking forward to that, but just the idea that the main characters are kids might make that sort of just Wes Anderson style make more sense.

Jacob Phillips (56:28.841)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (56:36.555)
in the way that it's made because it's kids, has the main characters. And I think, too, like if you want to introduce like your kids to Wes Anderson, I think probably Mr. Fox and Moonrise Kingdom are are good ones. Kids tend to. Kids tend to want to like know or they're very interested in kids that are a little bit older than them. Just kind of that.

That's kind of how kids like think like they're enamored by kids like two years older than them and so like I can't remember how old the kids are in Moonrise Kingdom, but I would imagine like if You have like a 12 year old really into movies then like, you know showing them Moonrise Kingdom would would like Capture them because the main characters are like kids maybe a little bit older than they are sort of thing So that might be a good one, too Yeah

Jacob Phillips (57:32.855)
Yeah, that makes sense.

Eli Price (57:35.791)
But yeah, great question. We are, yeah, we'll do Rushmore next week. So hope you come back for that. But we're gonna take a quick break and we're gonna come back with some movie news talk and a really fun movie draft for this week. So stick around and we will be back in just a bit.

Jacob Phillips (57:45.004)
Oh yeah.

Eli Price (58:04.891)
tweets.

Alright.

Eli Price (58:12.464)
So...

Eli Price (58:21.275)
Probably need to get...

Eli Price (58:25.564)
list of these movies pulled up.

Eli Price (58:31.803)
I wish there was like a letterbox list of like 2023 summer movies.

Jacob Phillips (58:35.69)
I know all the most anticipated are not in order.

Eli Price (58:39.876)
Right.

Eli Price (58:50.019)
Yeah, these lists that I'm finding are like.

Oh wait, this one might be a...

Eli Price (58:58.987)
I should have made it myself, to be honest.

Yeah, because this has some of them.

Full list most of them are just like move. I guess movies people are planning to watch this summer

Jacob Phillips (59:14.094)
Sure.

Eli Price (59:16.047)
This is not helpful at all. This one is called Mom's Summer 2023 Watchlist.

Jacob Phillips (59:24.494)
There we go. Thanks, Mom.

Eli Price (59:30.075)
like, OK, great. Yeah, that's not helpful at all. So really, the only one.

Eli Price (59:44.684)
I'm just going to look them a couple up individually because there was something some things I was trying to remember

Jacob Phillips (59:47.934)
May 5th is Guardians.

Eli Price (59:52.395)
Right. Yeah, I'm not.

Jacob Phillips (59:56.802)
I'm just gonna Google these real quick.

Eli Price (59:59.937)
Okay.

Eli Price (01:00:04.659)
They are in order, in like release order. Cause I wrote, yeah, like they should be in like chronological order as far as like when they're coming out. Cause that's how I made the list. I was going through like IMDBs coming soon.

Jacob Phillips (01:00:07.411)
Oh they are.

Jacob Phillips (01:00:17.714)
Okay, so did you not... Do you want the...

Eli Price (01:00:20.739)
I just didn't write the date. Yeah, that's helpful. There was a couple that I was trying to remember, like who's directing it sort of thing that I was just gonna refresh on because I made this list obviously before last week. I'm sorry.

Jacob Phillips (01:00:29.442)
Gotcha.

Eli Price (01:00:48.027)
They cloned Tyra.

Jacob Phillips (01:00:50.541)
Oh yeah.

Eli Price (01:00:55.483)
Joel Taylor, it'll be his first.

as in his first feature.

Eli Price (01:01:07.099)
This one doesn't have a length.

Eli Price (01:01:12.067)
Anyways, yeah, John Boyega, Tiana Paris, and Jamie Foxx.

Jacob Phillips (01:01:18.678)
Good cast.

Eli Price (01:01:20.407)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:01:33.331)
Astroids City!

Jacob Phillips (01:01:36.846)
There's a few of these that I'm like super pumped about.

Eli Price (01:01:41.303)
When I first like heard the... And really like every time I like read or think Asteroid City, my mind goes to... Guns N' Roses. Like, take me down to the Asteroid City!

Jacob Phillips (01:01:53.472)
Mm.

Eli Price (01:02:01.916)
It's one of those weird things that your mind does that you're like, I wish it would stop but there's nothing I can do

Jacob Phillips (01:02:06.113)
Oh yeah.

Eli Price (01:02:10.939)
July 14th. I'm going to do like a Mission Impossible marathon at some point.

Jacob Phillips (01:02:11.694)
There's one, I always.

Oh yeah, dude, other than Mission Impossible 2, they're so good.

Mission Impossible 2 is literal doo-doo butt cheeks.

Eli Price (01:02:27.223)
I think I've only ever seen the first one. Like a long time ago. Yeah, like a long time ago. Yeah. I have the first like five or so on Blu-ray. I got them used at Books-a-Million one time for like real cheap.

Jacob Phillips (01:02:30.166)
That's the only one? Wow.

Jacob Phillips (01:02:44.546)
Yeah, I love them all, other than the...

Other than the second one, I just rewatched it recently because I watched, uh, oh, July 20th.

Jacob Phillips (01:02:58.158)
And I so I rewatched the first one with Harrison and Hayden because they I don't think they had seen it And I still like it. I mean there's There's definitely some stuff that doesn't always hold up. But you know, it's Brian DePalma Pretty good stuff. And then yeah, I watched the next one and it was I mean, it's I Remember not really liking it that much even as a kid and so like now watching it

Eli Price (01:03:05.919)
Mm-hmm. Gotcha.

Eli Price (01:03:17.622)
Right. Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (01:03:27.126)
take a critical view, it's like, wow, this is terrible.

Eli Price (01:03:37.635)
Yeah, I'm interested to see. I don't know. I want to watch them just because I'm interested in the new ones. But I don't have high expectations for them. I don't have low expectations. So I'm interested to see. Usually when I go in with I'm not really sure if I'm going to like these or not.

Jacob Phillips (01:03:47.927)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (01:04:03.558)
Mm-hmm. For sure.

Eli Price (01:04:04.047)
Like it can go either way. Like sometimes I'll like really love it. Or sometimes I'm like, yeah. Like that's how it was with like a lot of the first James Bonds. Like I kind of did a James Bond marathon leading up to the last Daniel Craig. And I really like, I really didn't like a lot of the old James Bonds that I watched. Like I think I gave Dr. No, which is the first one, like a two and a half stars.

Jacob Phillips (01:04:14.2)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (01:04:21.259)
No time to doubt.

Eli Price (01:04:33.86)
Uh, there's something like them.

Jacob Phillips (01:04:36.022)
Yeah, I think that's fair. People are allowed to not like things.

Eli Price (01:04:45.783)
Oh, I also need to get my list for the draft up. Yes.

Jacob Phillips (01:04:54.254)
I'm excited about the draft.

Eli Price (01:04:57.967)
Me too.

I didn't order it, so I'm going to have to be scanning through here over and over. Okay, well, I guess if you're ready, I'm going to throw another marker in here and we can bring it back in.

Eli Price (01:05:27.128)
All right, you ready?

Jacob Phillips (01:05:28.911)
Yeah, I'm ready.

Eli Price (01:05:34.143)
Welcome back. I hope you enjoyed the first segment on Bottle Rocket today. But yeah, me and Jacob are here, and we're going to do some movie news for our movie news segment. Eventually, I'll probably find a little clip to throw in the soundboard with a little like a, dee dee dee dee dee dee dee. So I'll just do it myself this time.

Jacob Phillips (01:06:02.242)
There you go.

Eli Price (01:06:03.659)
Yeah. So yeah, movie news. So really, we're just going to talk about one thing today, and that is summer movies. Summer movies, you know, they used to be like June and July. And then Spider-Man came out and changed the game. And some summer movies now start in May. So.

Jacob Phillips (01:06:22.111)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (01:06:27.638)
Definitely.

Eli Price (01:06:34.123)
When you talk about summer movies and the world of film, basically you're talking about movies from the beginning of May to kind of like early August. And you know, you get a lot of really fun movies that come out in the summer. They're not necessarily like awards movies. Sometimes they are, but usually they're not. But they're more just like...

Jacob Phillips (01:06:54.446)
Definitely not. Sometimes.

Eli Price (01:07:02.511)
blockbusters or like, you know, sequels or just fun, just fun movies, you know, there's always at least one Marvel movie for sure. And yeah, that actually is the first one on the list. Guardians of the Galaxy 3 coming out May 5th. Yeah. Me and Jacob are kind of like on different like Marvel teams.

Jacob Phillips (01:07:12.479)
at least one.

Jacob Phillips (01:07:31.35)
It's fair.

Eli Price (01:07:31.819)
is still like, Jacob's still like all in on like the MCU. Yeah, you know, you're realistic about it. I'll say that, you're realistic about it. You're not just like, I love it no matter what sort of thing, but definitely on a different spectrum, different point of the spectrum than me, who like, I'm just like, I am tired of these. I would, you know, I've enjoyed a lot of them.

Jacob Phillips (01:07:36.918)
for the most part.

Jacob Phillips (01:07:40.887)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (01:07:46.078)
Yeah, definitely.

Eli Price (01:08:01.631)
But honestly would be totally fine if they never made another one like I wouldn't be sad about it So yeah, but I you know, I enjoy I Enjoy them when they're made. Well, there's and I actually have enjoyed um Like I've enjoyed several of the the what phase are we in? I don't see this is part of it I I don't I don't really care what I don't care about

Jacob Phillips (01:08:15.959)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (01:08:23.682)
Phase five, phase four, I don't know.

Eli Price (01:08:29.623)
Why do we have to talk about what phase we're in? I don't know. Anyways, I actually have enjoyed some of the most recent ones like like Thor, Love and Thunder and Multiverse of Madness actually kind of appreciated those because they were kind of two movies made by like good directors. And they were like they they were like unabashedly what they were like.

Jacob Phillips (01:08:31.996)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (01:08:42.431)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:08:56.955)
Thor Love and Thunder was just full on goofy comedy. I wouldn't say Multiverse of Madness was full on Sam Raimi, but it had parts that were close. And I just appreciated that about them. There were still elements that were very Marvel that I didn't like, but they took the finger,

Jacob Phillips (01:09:11.383)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (01:09:14.976)
No, definitely.

Eli Price (01:09:26.523)
the like the MCU finger off a little bit and let the directors kind of make the movies, I guess, how they wanted to to a small degree, I guess. And so I appreciated that. Yeah. Are you excited about Guardians volume three?

Jacob Phillips (01:09:33.132)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (01:09:43.358)
I am. I think that it looks like, it seems like, from the trailers and how they're marketing it, that there's actually some stakes and that they're actually gonna probably kill off some main characters. Which I think that, I mean, just like, without being morbid, I think Marvel does need to do that because, I mean, not every, and my biggest issue with all the Marvel stuff is that not every movie

Eli Price (01:09:44.982)
Okay.

Eli Price (01:09:59.137)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (01:10:12.662)
has to be about the world ending. You know what I mean? Like, you know, there's, and I think that they kinda hit on this in some of the shows, while all the shows aren't particularly great, there's some low-stakes stuff that happens in the shows that is making it realistic, or at least making it like, not trying to build this false tension of like, oh, okay, well I know the world's not gonna end. You know what I mean? But if you actually are killing off characters, I think that that's like,

Eli Price (01:10:15.809)
Yeah, sure.

Eli Price (01:10:31.309)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:10:37.207)
Right. Yeah, that's a.

Jacob Phillips (01:10:42.646)
That's an actual emotional component, especially with the Guardians who were like, probably one of the most popular characters in the MCU.

Eli Price (01:10:51.863)
Yeah, yeah, definitely like some of the most beloved ones, I would say. As far as just like the characters go. But yeah, yeah, I've only really watched one NCU show ever. I watched WandaVision and that was something that I appreciated about it. Like it makes it it gives like the facade that something huge is going on. But when it comes down to it, it's like something very like close and personal going on, which.

Jacob Phillips (01:11:09.463)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (01:11:20.93)
Yeah, Monovision was awesome.

Eli Price (01:11:21.463)
You know, I, yeah, I really liked that show and appreciated that element of it, um, and thought they did it really well. But yeah, you're right for a lot of the movies. They really like, they'll give you like hints of that, but then they like. Get back to like, that's the one reason that I feel like, like Shang-Chi like really, man, they were so close to getting it just like perfect with his like relationship with his dad and like, um,

Jacob Phillips (01:11:44.139)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:11:49.935)
But instead of making that the climax, it's a big CGI monster. It's like the climactic scene. Yeah. And it's just like, man, could you not just for once let it be something very close and personal and relatable? Uh.

Jacob Phillips (01:11:54.102)
that if it's released into the world, it's gonna destroy everything, you know.

Jacob Phillips (01:12:07.486)
Yeah. And that's like the thing of like with Iron Man that makes it work so well is that it is like, it's just a guy like having struggles with like his company. Now, obviously like it could lead to wars because he worked for a company that made weapons, but you know, it's the end, the climactic moments are not, you know, about Iron Man saving the world. It's just about him fighting his right-hand man.

Eli Price (01:12:37.023)
Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, I'm I'm not like excited about Guardians three just because I do have MCU fatigue, like but I'm not like uninterested in it. I am interested to see like. What the stakes are, like what you know, what does happen here? But yeah.

Jacob Phillips (01:12:53.808)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:13:01.439)
Yeah, you know, MCU is just it always just it's one of those things that I'm like, here we go. Let's talk about it. It is interesting. Yeah, we have this is something that I am like completely uninterested in, which is Fast 10. How many how many Fast and Furious movies have you seen, Jacob? Zero. A big fat goose egg. OK.

Jacob Phillips (01:13:08.814)
I'm sorry.

Jacob Phillips (01:13:18.794)
Me too.

Jacob Phillips (01:13:23.074)
Bagel, zero.

Jacob Phillips (01:13:27.646)
And I do not intend on watching them. One of my close friends that I do camp with is like the biggest Fast and Furious fan. And I just constantly have to argue with them about it because I just, I don't like them. And I don't, I'm sure some of them are quote unquote good for, you know, action movies or whatever, but I don't like Vin Diesel. I don't think he's a particularly good actor. And I just.

Eli Price (01:13:32.155)
Ha ha.

Eli Price (01:13:39.908)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:13:47.931)
I don't know that they are.

Jacob Phillips (01:13:55.634)
You know, I have fast and furious fatigue, even though I haven't seen any of them, so.

Eli Price (01:14:01.587)
Yeah, I've seen a few.

Jacob Phillips (01:14:02.826)
Also, if you watch the trailer, Jason Momoa, who I do respect, is just doing some weird... He's dressed like Fabio with his outfit and his hair, and he just seems to be chuckling and laughing the entire time. I'm like, what are they doing here? What is this? Anyway.

Eli Price (01:14:25.46)
Yeah. Yeah, I've seen a few, but I have no interest. Like I saw, I'm pretty sure I saw the first one. I've definitely seen Tokyo Drift. And then I think I don't think I saw any until like, I don't know, seven or eight. I went with like a friend of mine that like loves them. And I was like, yeah, I'll go with you and like hated it. But like, I couldn't say that I hated it because he was so excited. I was just like, he's like, wasn't that great? And I was like, yeah.

Jacob Phillips (01:14:49.788)
Yeah.

Ew.

Eli Price (01:14:54.167)
It was the one where they drive the car like out of the window of one skyscraper into the window of another one Whatever that one is if you're listening and you love these movies, you can tell me which one there was that I saw And you can tell us like why we're so wrong on the fast movies and you know, yeah, please tell us why we're wrong We'll probably tell you back that you're wrong, but at least we'll have a fun conversation

Jacob Phillips (01:15:10.478)
Please do.

Eli Price (01:15:20.999)
Yeah, you got that's May 19th May 26. You've got the Little Mermaid which I'm kind of of the opinion like why Do a live-action remake when you can just go watch the better original But uh, I'll probably watch it on Disney Plus, you know It's the money. Absolutely if you're listening and not watching Jason, I mean Jacob did the the fingers the money fingers

Jacob Phillips (01:15:40.132)
to money grab for sure. And...

Jacob Phillips (01:15:49.898)
Yeah, yeah, I'm not super pumped about it, but I'll probably watch it.

Eli Price (01:15:50.411)
Um, it for sure is. Uh, you know, I'll probably honestly will end up going and see it in theaters, probably because, uh, my wife will and I'm not opposed to that. You know, it'll probably be a fun, fun one to see. Um, so yeah. Yeah. A little mermaid. Um, yeah. Yeah. And real quick before we move on, um, she does like seem to have an incredible voice, so that's cool. Um, I can't.

Jacob Phillips (01:16:00.874)
Yeah. Yeah, no.

Jacob Phillips (01:16:18.704)
Yeah, no doubt.

Eli Price (01:16:20.015)
I can't think of the girl's name that's playing it. It's like, is it Halle Bailey? It's Halle Bailey, because every time I hear it, I think Halle Berry. And I'm like, no, not Halle Berry, Halle Bailey. Yeah, she seems to have like an incredible voice. So that's cool. Yeah, June 2nd, this is one like I'm pumped for is Spider-Man Across the Spider-Verse.

Jacob Phillips (01:16:25.758)
It's Halley something Halley or Halley.

That's right. Yep. Yeah.

Eli Price (01:16:49.011)
I think that the first that into the spider-verse is the best spider-man movie That's kind of my opinion But yeah, I'm super pumped Yeah, I don't know. Maybe it's a hot take but it probably honestly like I bet on letterboxed It has the highest rating of all the spider-man movies. I bet it does

Jacob Phillips (01:16:57.73)
That's your hot take.

Jacob Phillips (01:17:07.922)
It might, it might. Yeah, I mean, it's an incredible animated movie. I typically don't like animated movies too much. I don't know what it is. I like most of the Pixar stuff. But, and I was kind of hesitant. I don't know, I just have weird taste in animation styles and stuff like that. But when I finally got around to watching it, I was like, oh yeah, this is awesome.

Eli Price (01:17:33.419)
Oh, yeah. Yeah, they actually like they were trying to make it the way they wanted it to look with like like existing kind of like What would you say kind of like blueprints like you kind of have animation blueprints for lack of? Because I don't know the actual terms. So that's how I'm explaining it But they actually like scratched it they were like this isn't

Jacob Phillips (01:17:47.159)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (01:17:52.662)
Yeah, no, it's okay.

Eli Price (01:17:58.387)
making it like we want it to look. So they scratched it and started from scratch completely with like their animation, which is like so cool. Yeah. Then you've got, um, elemental, which is the next Pixar movie coming out. And I wanted to be excited about it until I saw that it was the same director as the good dinosaur, which is like the worst Pixar movie. So.

Jacob Phillips (01:18:22.402)
Yikes. I'm shocked they gave him another chance.

Eli Price (01:18:27.531)
Yeah, so I'm kind of nervous about it. I'll give it a chance. I give all the Pixars a chance because you get some great ones along the way.

Jacob Phillips (01:18:36.702)
Yeah, I mean most of them are good.

Eli Price (01:18:39.307)
Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, elemental.

Jacob Phillips (01:18:42.102)
Yeah, I don't know really anything about it, but you know, it's Pixar. It's coming out in the summer. I'll probably see it with some of my camp friends.

Eli Price (01:18:48.203)
Right. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. June 16th. Obviously you have Asteroid City on June 16th, which is Wes Anderson's new movie. And we will be covering that at the end of the series. So that'll come out mid-June. We'll probably be wrapping up this mini series. I don't have the calendar in front of me, but I'm pretty sure it's like mid-July.

Jacob Phillips (01:18:56.386)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (01:19:17.226)
Yeah, sounds about right.

Eli Price (01:19:17.291)
early to mid-July when this will be wrapping up. So you'll have a whole month to get to the theater to see Asteroid City. But it goes without saying that we're excited about Wes Anderson's new movie. Got some new cast members in there that should be exciting. Yeah. So that goes without saying. The other one on June 16th is The Flash. Now...

Jacob Phillips (01:19:36.183)
Oh yeah.

Jacob Phillips (01:19:44.066)
You're wearing the shirt right now.

Eli Price (01:19:46.255)
I am. Flash is my favorite comic book character. I've read now, like, so I'm not like. I'm not like an ultra like fan, like comic fan, but like I'm kind of more of a casual comic fan. I've read I've read a decent, I guess, like a decent amount of flash comics. There was like a period of my life where like I didn't have much going on. And so I'd like

I would go to Barnes and Noble and pull out a Flash graphic novel and just sit in Barnes and Noble and read it. So yeah, he's my favorite. I'm a DC fan in general when it comes to comics, and he's my favorite character. But man, it's...

Jacob Phillips (01:20:19.359)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:20:39.507)
I just wish Ezra Miller was not like.

hate to say it, but it was not like a creep or a scumbag or whatever he is, whatever word you want to call it. It just like, it puts just such a cloud around this movie that like, it's going to be hard to shake when I, when I watch it. I get, so when I first saw like the stuff coming out about Ezra Miller and then, you know, the studio was like, we're, you know, here's a release date, we're still going to put it out.

Jacob Phillips (01:20:50.703)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (01:20:57.834)
does. It's unfortunate.

Eli Price (01:21:13.851)
I was like, no, you shouldn't do that. But then I thought about it and I was like, no, I guess it makes sense. You've sunk all this money into this film. You're done working with this guy. Like, you can't really do anything about that at this point. Put it out there. Make your money back on making this film. But yeah, I hope the best for him. I hope he goes and gets some help.

Jacob Phillips (01:21:28.674)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (01:21:41.557)
Yeah, no doubt.

Eli Price (01:21:43.011)
and, and, you know, changes his life. Um, you know, I think that he'll probably end up not, not getting the consequences that a normal person would get for, for his actions, which is, which is sort of unjust. Um, but I do hope, you know,

Jacob Phillips (01:21:53.934)
Sure. Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (01:21:59.774)
for a member of the Justice League, you know. Yeah.

Eli Price (01:22:03.335)
Yeah, for sure. I do hope, you know, I'm not a person that's like give someone their due and like throw down the hammer on him. Like I do hope he gets like help and changes. But yeah, it does put a cloud around this movie now.

Jacob Phillips (01:22:12.404)
Right.

Jacob Phillips (01:22:21.142)
Have you heard anything about like them re-editing or re-shooting anything? Because I don't know if it's just like a, like they're slowly releasing more and more, like you typically see, but like I saw a trailer the other day, or maybe it was just like a TV spot or something, and like Ben Affleck was back as Batman. And I was like, I don't remember seeing or hearing about that. So I'm wondering if this will be an unfortunate like miss.

Eli Price (01:22:45.338)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (01:22:50.902)
because of like having to re-edit some of the stuff, like, you know, what kind of happened to the original Justice League movie because of everything with Ezra or what?

Eli Price (01:22:57.031)
Yeah, it's one of those things, so it's not even totally about Ezra, because Ezra's whole stuff started after they were done shooting, pretty much. They were in like...

Jacob Phillips (01:23:10.195)
Oh, okay.

Eli Price (01:23:14.467)
you know, you come on and like tweet at me and tell me like if I've got the details wrong, but I'm pretty sure they were already like editing. They were like in post-production stuff, like kind of finishing everything up, trying to like edit everything together, make their cuts, that sort of stuff when all this stuff started coming out. So it's kind of like, that's what I mean when it's like, you know, it's not like all this stuff came out and they were like, well, we got to keep making, you know, we got to keep working with this, this guy.

Jacob Phillips (01:23:24.107)
Okay.

Jacob Phillips (01:23:40.663)
Yeah, we, yeah.

Eli Price (01:23:44.399)
They were kind of done working with him at that point, other than, you know, obviously. Talking with him about it, but yeah, so, you know, it's more of the fact that it, you know, it was supposed to come out. I want to say, like during Covid is that I think the main reason why here we are, like in 2023 and it's finally coming out, it's just one of those movies that caught got caught in that that kind of Covid.

Jacob Phillips (01:23:47.266)
Gotcha.

Jacob Phillips (01:24:02.133)
Mm.

Jacob Phillips (01:24:13.066)
Yeah, that makes sense.

Eli Price (01:24:13.339)
pushback. So it's unfortunate, but you know, hopefully it doesn't suffer the fate of most movies that get pushed back so many times. I like to be honest, I'm probably going to watch it and like really enjoy it because based on everything that I've seen about it, I've watched one trailer, which I usually try to stay away from, but it seems like they're doing like

Jacob Phillips (01:24:23.884)
Right.

Eli Price (01:24:40.867)
Flashpoint sort of thing with like an alternate timeline and Flashpoint is my favorite flash story And so yeah, and so it's my favorite one And it's it's such a well-written comic Little comic series and So I'll probably will like it. Yeah, but it's still just I don't know

Jacob Phillips (01:24:42.428)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (01:24:47.69)
Yeah, I mean, it's an incredibly famous one.

Jacob Phillips (01:24:57.324)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:25:09.667)
Just that cloud of having this guy attached to it. I hope. Yeah, you got to do that. Sometimes, you know, uh, it's just hard sometimes when you're, it's easier to do it if it's like a past artist that isn't in the moment, it's harder to do it when like you're reading these headlines and then watching the movie with this guy. But yeah, so, you know, um, I, I'm excited about it.

Jacob Phillips (01:25:10.858)
Yeah, it's got a like a separating the art from the artist.

Jacob Phillips (01:25:21.376)
Oh, definitely.

Jacob Phillips (01:25:25.996)
Right.

Eli Price (01:25:37.827)
It's just unfortunate circumstances. So yeah, I hope it's a good movie. And I hope DC makes some money on it. And you know, it starts pumping out more good movies, because I'm a DC fan. But at the same time, I hope they move on from Ezra Miller and maybe make this kind of like a, maybe they'll

You know restart flash in the future, but I just don't think you can keep working with this guy after this You know you got to move on Yeah, but um Yeah, there's your Eli spending way too much time talking about the flash segment Indiana Jones and the dial of destiny at the end of June that's exciting I I still haven't seen the fourth Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. I know you're

Jacob Phillips (01:26:12.822)
Doesn't seem like it now.

Jacob Phillips (01:26:29.074)
Oh yeah, I'm very excited.

Eli Price (01:26:37.695)
you think it's a terrible movie, I have an open mind about it.

Jacob Phillips (01:26:42.862)
Sure, so it's not, I don't think all of it is terrible. It's like, there's just a lot of like, the ending and then there's a lot of like campiness and Shia LaBeouf just honestly just doesn't work in the role. Like, I think he's good in a lot of things, but he's just, it just doesn't work with him. And so I'm glad that they're not doing, yeah, I'm glad that they're not doing like a young indie or young protege with this. Like it seems like it's just,

Eli Price (01:26:47.531)
Yeah, the ending, I guess. That's what most people talk about.

Eli Price (01:26:59.695)
Yeah.

Yeah, well I'm excited about it, so.

Eli Price (01:27:11.023)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (01:27:12.542)
gonna be Indiana, which is like perfect. That's what the movies are about.

Eli Price (01:27:16.859)
Absolutely Yeah Yeah, I'm excited to see what happens with it You know if you're gonna if you're gonna do like a reboot of a series like Indiana Jones is one I can get behind With with Spielberg behind the the wheel so And then talking about another series you got July 14th Mission Impossible dead reckoning part one so two more two more Tom Cruise epics

Jacob Phillips (01:27:29.08)
Absolutely.

Jacob Phillips (01:27:41.088)
Oh yeah.

Jacob Phillips (01:27:46.412)
at least.

Eli Price (01:27:46.667)
Um, with the mission impossible is yeah, we were kind of talking, uh, in, in the break about, um, just I've, how Jacob's watched through a lot of them, uh, recently and I've, I've seen only the first one a long time ago, so I'll probably do a little, little marathon for myself leading up to this cause I, I do want to see, um, what, what they do with these last two movies, um, yeah.

Jacob Phillips (01:28:11.85)
Yeah, I'm super pumped. I'm a huge fan of the series. And they're also like one of the few, really, I mean, maybe the only one that's had like this extended of a run that have like actually like gotten better as they go along, which is really cool. And like, I think that, you know, you can say what you want about Tom Cruise, but he makes pretty freaking good action movies. And these are all, I love most of them. I don't like the second one at all.

Eli Price (01:28:26.881)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (01:28:41.155)
Um, but especially all the, the newish, the newer ones, they're awesome. So.

Eli Price (01:28:42.008)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:28:45.899)
Yeah. Yeah, that's what I've heard. Yeah. So that that's exciting. And then, of course, you have on July 21st, the the you've got the the famous debate of what to see. And of course, we know most people are probably going to go with they cloned Tyrone coming out July 21st. You know, kind of a.

Jacob Phillips (01:28:58.262)
Double feature.

Jacob Phillips (01:29:06.092)
Hahaha

Eli Price (01:29:13.503)
Opening feature by Jewel Taylor. I don't know if that's how you say his first name, Jewel Jewel or Jewel Taylor. Um, yeah. Starring John Boyega, Teyana Paris and Jamie Foxx. Uh, pretty exciting. I know now I understand why so many people are talking about the movies on July 21st. Um,

Jacob Phillips (01:29:30.252)
Yeah?

Jacob Phillips (01:29:35.53)
Absolutely.

Eli Price (01:29:38.927)
No, I actually do want to see this movie. It sounds interesting. Yeah, you can go read the description of it, but obviously that was a huge setup joke. Actually, it's Barbie versus Oppenheimer. You've got Greta Gerwig's Barbie and Christopher Nolan's Oppenheimer both coming out on July 21st. Right in time for my birthday.

Jacob Phillips (01:29:42.742)
Yeah, it definitely sounds interesting.

Jacob Phillips (01:29:55.991)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:30:07.607)
You know, last year I got nope came out on my birthday, July 23rd this year. I'm getting on my birthday weekend, two great movies and I act. I'm, I'm planning on seeing them both in the same day. Um, you know, a lot of people are like, Oh, which one are you going to go see? And theaters, I'm like, it's my birthday. So I'm going to both. Um, you know, so.

Jacob Phillips (01:30:21.994)
Oh yeah.

Jacob Phillips (01:30:32.126)
Yeah, absolutely. It'll be interesting to see how, like if in history, these movies, like these two movies get tied together like they have been leading up to it.

Eli Price (01:30:44.223)
Yeah, they they've got to be, you know, I think I think people that are like into movies like 10 years from now or like still like if these movies come up, they'll be like, oh, you remember how like Barbie and Oppenheimer came out? Unless like one of them is just like as a total flop, which I don't see happening. Yeah, like I think, yeah, I think 10 years from now, we'll maybe we'll still be doing this podcast and

Jacob Phillips (01:31:03.326)
I can't see it either.

Eli Price (01:31:12.439)
might come up and we'll be like, yeah, do you remember? You know, they both came out the same day. Yeah, I'm excited about both of these. Obviously Christopher Nolan is, you know, he's one of those guys that like some people like, are like they like, and then they really get into film and then they kind of like look down their nose at him. You know, he was kind of part of my intro into becoming like.

Really into film but like I don't look down my nose at him I still really like love a lot of his pretty much most or all of his movies. I really enjoy So I'm excited about Oppenheimer But yeah, I'm excited about I mean Greta Gerwig has just been on fire Yeah, she's she's great. So I'm excited to see what she does with with Barbie Yeah, so

Jacob Phillips (01:31:46.645)
Oh yeah.

Jacob Phillips (01:32:00.494)
She's awesome.

Jacob Phillips (01:32:07.07)
Yeah, I mean, Lady Bird is one of my, I think it's in my top 10 currently of favorite movies. And then Little Women was, yeah. And then Little Women is, I think my wife said that that's her favorite movie of all time. So we're big Greta fans in our household.

Eli Price (01:32:15.031)
Like all time? Okay, yeah.

Eli Price (01:32:24.771)
Nice.

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And yeah, both of those movies are so good. We watched we watched the Lady Bird not long ago. Oh, it was on it was on Valentine's Day. We were we were at home and we were like, what what movies should we watch? You know, it's Valentine's Day. Let's kick back and watch a movie. And like, let's watch Lady Bird. It's like, yes. Yeah, great movie.

Jacob Phillips (01:32:42.422)
Nice, nice.

Jacob Phillips (01:32:52.046)
It's so good, man.

Eli Price (01:32:56.247)
Yeah, I'm excited about Barbie. I really am. It sounds weird to say, but I'm excited about Barbie. Like, let's go. The last one I had on the list was it's kind of mid-August. You got Blue Beetle coming out. You know, we'll see. It's, we'll see what happens. It's not as exciting as Flash.

Jacob Phillips (01:33:06.124)
Yeah, man.

Jacob Phillips (01:33:22.598)
Yeah. It's a big shrug for me.

Eli Price (01:33:26.411)
Yeah, not as exciting as flash to me, but it Blue Beetle is an interesting character. He kind of has, um, he kind of gives you Spider-Man vibes and, and kind of like the characterization kind of like a kid that's like not really that special, uh, per se, but like kind of comes across these powers and has to figure out like what to do with them. Um, like what

Jacob Phillips (01:33:46.158)
Sure.

Eli Price (01:33:55.115)
Like, what is my responsibility now that I have these powers? So, you know, that's interesting, at least. But and then at the same time, like, I feel like you there's certain like there's certain kind of ethnicities that really just don't get good Hollywood representation, so it's cool to see, like, you know, some Hispanic characters like really getting some some screen time and and a major, you know.

Jacob Phillips (01:34:15.339)
Yeah, for sure.

Eli Price (01:34:25.307)
major like blockbuster film like this so you know that's that's something to to say for it for sure um yeah but that's that's all i have as far as like summer movies if if you have some uh if you're listening and you're like oh y'all missed this movie or um uh you know obviously we couldn't get get through everything but um yeah uh yeah tweet tweet at us uh email us let us know

Jacob Phillips (01:34:27.703)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (01:34:31.903)
No, yeah, for sure.

Eli Price (01:34:54.439)
You know what what movie we missed? And yeah, we'll we'll try to respond As soon as we can and Yeah, yeah, I'm excited about some of these so it should be a good summer of movies but uh, but yeah now we're going to Move to the movie draft portion if you missed last week I'll give you a

Jacob Phillips (01:35:08.436)
Oh yeah.

Eli Price (01:35:22.095)
quick overview of what this is. Basically, it's a back and forth choosing. You're drafting, it's like drafting your dodgeball team in the schoolyard. You got to, you're picking the best players. So the category we have for today's movie draft is sequels. So any sequels, it doesn't have to be a direct sequel like the second in the series.

Jacob Phillips (01:35:33.079)
Definitely.

Eli Price (01:35:50.279)
It can be any sequels, it just can't be the first one, because the first one isn't a sequel by definition.

Jacob Phillips (01:35:54.446)
That's right.

Jacob Phillips (01:35:58.094)
Hehehe

Eli Price (01:36:01.003)
Totally unnecessary for me to say that other than my like Odd out there dry sense of humor But yeah, so we're gonna draft sequels we're gonna go back and forth Yeah, I gave Jacob the first pick last week So I am taking the first pick this week And I'm really in this month like in the moment right now. I'm honestly not sure

Jacob Phillips (01:36:13.87)
Let's do it.

Jacob Phillips (01:36:21.614)
Let's do it.

Eli Price (01:36:28.707)
Like I'm torn. I thought I knew what I was gonna do But now I'm torn because I want it. I want to get the best I Want to get the best of the best? We're drafting seven each and I want to have I want to have the group of movies that would that's gonna win a poll Yeah

Jacob Phillips (01:36:32.06)
Ooh.

Jacob Phillips (01:36:44.878)
It's understandable.

Eli Price (01:36:48.815)
You know, OK, I'm going to go with my gut of what I was originally going to do. I'm going Empire Strikes Back.

Jacob Phillips (01:36:57.399)
Mm. Yeah.

Eli Price (01:36:59.211)
You know, I think it's my favorite. I think it's the best Star Wars movie. It's just so incredibly good. Such a great movie. And so maybe it's a little pandering because I think the people will like that pick. I think it'll be a fan favorite. But I mean, for me, it's a five star movie. So it might be pandering.

It is probably my favorite on my whole list. So Empire Strikes Back, pick number one.

Jacob Phillips (01:37:29.278)
Yeah, and it's also, I mean, I think it's really well respected as one of the best sequels of all time. I'm gonna go with one that is kind of in the same vein. There's a little pandering, but also this is probably just my highest rated on there. I'm gonna go with the Dark Knight. Dark Knight, it's in my top 10.

Eli Price (01:37:38.379)
Yeah, for sure. Where are you going?

Eli Price (01:37:50.732)
Okay, yeah.

Jacob Phillips (01:37:57.978)
It's one of those movies that like, I've seen it so many times that like, if it's on TV or if someone's watching or something like, I know exactly where I'm at in the movie and I'm totally fine to sit down and be like, oh, this sequence is coming up. I'm excited for this, you know? And it's, yeah, it's one of the best, it's got one of the best villains that we've ever seen on screen. And I mean, Heath Ledger as Joker is just incredible.

Eli Price (01:37:58.075)
for sure.

Eli Price (01:38:07.024)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:38:13.655)
Yeah, for sure on my on my list for sure.

Eli Price (01:38:21.371)
Mm-hmm.

Jacob Phillips (01:38:26.771)
steals the show of the movie. Yeah, it's just it's a classic.

Eli Price (01:38:28.719)
for sure.

Eli Price (01:38:32.783)
Yeah, definitely. So that's that's actually helpful because now I get to pick the other movie that I was torn between Yeah, I'm going with the Godfather part two for my second pick I Think probably the Godfather part two is the more like film of my two choices so far like the film guy choice But yeah, and actually like a lot of

Jacob Phillips (01:38:39.303)
Okay.

Eli Price (01:39:00.239)
Yeah, I saw this recently letterbox had tweeted that in their ratings that for the first time ever Godfather part two was rated higher than the Godfather Yes, yeah, which is Crazy to think about but a lot of people do a lot of people say that part two is better than their original and You know, they may be right. It's been a while since I've seen it

Jacob Phillips (01:39:11.97)
Dang, wow.

Eli Price (01:39:28.951)
I need to go back and revisit these.

Jacob Phillips (01:39:31.982)
Yeah, I actually haven't seen any of them. It's a travesty, honestly, that I haven't. So yeah, I need to watch them. I need to keep up on them, because yeah.

Eli Price (01:39:35.699)
Really? I did not realize that.

Eli Price (01:39:42.203)
Well, let's get together sometime. I have the Blu-ray collection, so yeah, we'll jump in. That was a Black Friday grab for me one time. Yeah, so Empire Strikes Back and Godfather 2 for me. Where you going next?

Jacob Phillips (01:39:45.843)
Oh yeah, let's do it.

Jacob Phillips (01:39:52.44)
Nice.

Jacob Phillips (01:40:02.394)
I'm gonna just go along with the kind of blockbuster-y theme that I went with The Dark Knight. And I'm gonna go with Terminator 2 T2 Judgment Day. And this was actually a movie I revisited recently. And man, it just, I mean, it holds up still after all these years. It's incredible. It's scary. It's violent.

Eli Price (01:40:15.745)
All right.

Jacob Phillips (01:40:30.334)
I mean, it's everything that you want in a blockbuster. And Arnold is, it seems like at the peak of his powers at this time and it's just like absolutely awesome there. And then you have a strong, even though she's kind of crazy and kind of like a conspiracy theorist, you have, you know, Linda Hamilton is Sarah Connor. She's incredible. But yeah, it's awesome. It's a really great movie. I forgot how good it is.

Eli Price (01:40:34.491)
for sure.

Eli Price (01:40:39.511)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:40:51.463)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:40:57.631)
Yeah, yeah. I mean, James Cameron. Yeah. I mean, you can't go wrong with James Cameron, right, Jacob?

Jacob Phillips (01:41:03.966)
Well, on some of his later things.

Eli Price (01:41:08.899)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. For for those of you who don't know, Jacob is is a avatar hater. But what? Yeah, we we won't get into that because Jacob will talk way too long about something he hates. That's that's not healthy, Jacob. It's not healthy. So, yeah, so we're back to me. I have a couple that I'm that I'm trying to.

Jacob Phillips (01:41:16.874)
Yeah, wave water is not on my list.

Jacob Phillips (01:41:25.838)
Hehehehe

Eli Price (01:41:38.095)
of torn between here. I'm gonna pick one and hope that I get to come back and get grab the other one. I'm gonna go Mad Max Fury Road which I was thinking about it and I was like is this a sequel or is it a reboot? And so yeah I started googling it and all the all of like the articles were like sequel sequel sequel

Jacob Phillips (01:41:50.217)
Mmm. Good choice.

Jacob Phillips (01:41:58.19)
I think it counts.

Jacob Phillips (01:42:06.186)
Yeah. Yeah, no, I definitely think it counts.

Eli Price (01:42:07.035)
It's the sequel then. Yeah. So, uh, yeah. So Fury Road, in my opinion, is the best action movie of all time. Um, it's just incredible. It's like perfect, perfect action movie from start to finish. Um, and not just like, you know, it's dealing to with some like layered themes on top of that. So I just.

Jacob Phillips (01:42:20.651)
It's pure action.

Eli Price (01:42:36.019)
I love that movie. So, yeah. Yeah, that's my third pick. Where are you going next?

Jacob Phillips (01:42:43.794)
Well, you know, I, two back to back blockbusters for me. I'm just gonna go with one of the biggest blockbusters we've ever seen, Top Gun Maverick. This is one, it's recency bias probably, but Dead Gummett, this movie, seeing it in theaters, I mean, just reminded you how good the movies are, you know, like, and going to the theater. This is like, I mean, it probably is like,

Eli Price (01:43:05.742)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (01:43:11.498)
I would probably say this is my favorite theater experience I've had probably, like just watching a movie in the theater, it's that or Interstellar. Are two just like, man, you see those movies in theaters and it's like, it's intense, it's excellent. But I'm a huge Tom Cruise fan, Top Gun Maverick is phenomenal and just like a lot of the stuff, you're like, how do they do that? And then you go into all the behind the scenes and it's like, they actually just did that. It's really cool, so I love it.

Eli Price (01:43:16.521)
Okay.

Eli Price (01:43:41.771)
Yeah, I mean with movies like Tom Cruise and you can't lose. Yeah, sorry, that was on cinema at the cinema. Reference there. Most of you will not get that. That's OK. It's probably for the best. You don't want to go down that road. All right. I've got another pick and I'm going to go back to what I was looking at before and go with Blade Runner 2049. Great movie.

Jacob Phillips (01:43:45.206)
now.

Jacob Phillips (01:43:48.903)
Hehehehe

Jacob Phillips (01:43:55.843)
Hehehe

Jacob Phillips (01:44:06.814)
Nice. Yep. Definitely on my list.

Eli Price (01:44:11.595)
Um, yeah, I don't have a whole lot to say about it other than just like man, deni villnu Just like knocked it out of the park. Um And my it's better than the original in my opinion. I watched the original one A while back. I actually read. Um, do androids dream of electric sheep? which is the book that it's based on and then I watched the movie and um, It's good, but um, man that

Jacob Phillips (01:44:21.579)
Yeah, absolutely.

Jacob Phillips (01:44:32.567)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:44:41.019)
2049 is just like incredible. So yeah, what you got? Number fourth pick.

Jacob Phillips (01:44:43.563)
Yeah, no doubt.

Jacob Phillips (01:44:47.566)
I'm gonna go with Return of the King. This is, Return of the King is part of, obviously, the Lord of the Rings franchise, and I grew up watching these movies. I've probably seen these movies more than maybe any other movies, like at least franchise, for sure. And Return of the King is just, I mean, it's excellent. I mean, there's a reason why it won as many Oscars as it did. It's...

Eli Price (01:44:52.687)
Good pick.

Eli Price (01:44:58.296)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:45:09.563)
Sure.

Jacob Phillips (01:45:17.942)
just a really incredible culmination to the whole franchise and the whole series. So it has a really special place in my heart and I love it.

Eli Price (01:45:28.94)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, yeah, it's it's I mean, we're not wife and I are actually listening through slowly, but surely the Andy Serkis narrated audiobooks, which are incredible. And so we're in the middle of two, like, I think like dead middle of two towers. And he actually does voices for all the characters Andy Serkis does.

Jacob Phillips (01:45:44.03)
Oh nice. Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (01:45:52.141)
Nice.

Jacob Phillips (01:45:59.042)
That's awesome.

Eli Price (01:45:59.467)
And like most of them, he actually gets like spot on to the movie characters. Like he does the voice and it sounds just like the the actors. Yeah, he's Andy Serkis is great. But yeah, Return of the King. I probably should have picked that already. So I'm kind of upset, but I'm not going to go to towers with my fifth pick.

Jacob Phillips (01:46:12.662)
He's so talented, man.

Eli Price (01:46:28.695)
I'm just gonna leave two towers on the board. And I'm gonna go with a movie that's near and dear to my heart. You probably saw this coming at some point. I'm going with Paddington 2. I mean, it doesn't get any better than a bear that is just there to teach all of us, you know, whether civilian or fugitive, that-

Jacob Phillips (01:46:41.32)
Mmm, I knew it.

Eli Price (01:46:56.119)
Really, it's just all about being kind to one another. I mean, it doesn't get any better. It doesn't get any better than a bear that loves marmalade teaching Brendan Gleeson how to make marmalade in jail. Like, I mean, what more could you want in a movie than that? I mean, it has a jailbreak scene? I mean, come on. It's...

Jacob Phillips (01:47:18.826)
Yeah, I mean, there's not much.

Eli Price (01:47:26.263)
I love Paddington 2. It's a great movie. And Nicholas Cage, Nicholas Cage and Pedro Pascal agree based on the, yeah, yeah, and variable weight. So Paddington 2, I love that movie. But yeah, what are you going with at number five? You're in fifth pick.

Jacob Phillips (01:47:29.652)
It's an excellent choice.

Jacob Phillips (01:47:36.166)
Oh yeah, yeah. Unbearable weight.

Jacob Phillips (01:47:50.478)
I'm torn between a couple of them. I'm torn. But I'm gonna go with another one that's near and dear to my heart, something I grew up watching a lot, and that's gonna be Toy Story 2. Toy Story 2, I would probably agree, it's the most rewatchable and most enjoyable one. Toy Story 3, I think a lot of people say is the best one, but it's also kind of depressing. And it's... I...

Eli Price (01:47:53.121)
Okay.

Eli Price (01:48:01.142)
Great pick. The best Toy Story movie.

Eli Price (01:48:14.563)
That's, they do. They do, but I think they're wrong.

Jacob Phillips (01:48:19.286)
I enjoy Toy Story 2 way more. So I haven't rewatched three in a long time. So I do need to rewatch it just to kind of see my rankings officially. But I still have Toy Story 2 number one for me, just because it's so fun. Like it's, and there's so many like just moments that just really like formed my childhood as far as like just imagination goes, you know, just a lot of stuff like that. So it's awesome.

Eli Price (01:48:40.396)
Yeah, for sure.

Yeah, it's there's a lot going on in Toy Story 2. That's just like great. And I would argue so Toy Story 3. I love Toy Story 3. Like you tear up at the end, like, yeah, great. Great Toy Story movie, I would argue, like has a little redundancy from Toy Story 2. That's one of the reasons I think it's not as good. Like you have a similar you kind of have a similar villain in a different body sort of thing. Yeah, I don't know.

Jacob Phillips (01:48:51.979)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (01:49:02.75)
Yeah, I can agree with that.

Eli Price (01:49:13.387)
Anyways, great pick. Toy Story 2 is a great, fantastic pick. I'm struggling here because there's a lot that I still wanna pick, but we're only doing seven. So I kept the number of movies we were choosing low because I knew it would make it a little tougher on us. Man, there's some... I wanna make my list a little more versatile, and so I...

Jacob Phillips (01:49:25.718)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (01:49:32.674)
Definitely.

Eli Price (01:49:42.811)
I think what I'm gonna do is...

Let's see, let me make sure I'm not missing anything.

I feel like right now I have a lot of...

I guess not a ton of most of my movies are serious more serious, so I'm gonna go I'm gonna go the comic book route. You have a comic book movie. I need one too. I'm gonna go with spider-man 2 Yeah, Sam Raimi spider-man 2 toby maguire I think I think spider-man 2 is better than the first one even So that's that's kind of a that's kind of a trend with with all of my fix there

Jacob Phillips (01:50:13.284)
Nice, great pick.

Jacob Phillips (01:50:23.114)
I agree.

Eli Price (01:50:28.783)
They're movies that I think, sequels that I think are better than the first one. Uh, maybe with the exception of Godfather, I'm not sure what I think there, but yeah, all of these other ones I think are the better of the two. Um, so yeah, I'm going to go with Spider-Man 2. Great movie. Upside down kissing. Gotta love it.

Jacob Phillips (01:50:32.967)
Definitely.

Jacob Phillips (01:50:50.51)
What more could you want? I mean, and Alfred Molina is awesome. Like people forget how awesome he is. And that sequence where he wakes up in the hospital is like genuinely terrifying. Like that's some Sam Raimi horror right there. Well, I'm gonna go, oh sorry.

Eli Price (01:50:52.471)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:50:56.333)
Oh yeah.

Eli Price (01:51:03.867)
Sure, yeah.

Oh yeah. Yeah.

No, I was gonna say go ahead, six pick for you.

Jacob Phillips (01:51:13.862)
I'm gonna go, I'm between two iconic franchises right now. And I think I'm just gonna go on just enjoyability more with this one. And I'm gonna go, Annie and the Jones and the Last Crusade. I think this is the best Indiana Jones movie to me. It's really close because Raiders is just awesome.

Eli Price (01:51:21.476)
Okay.

Eli Price (01:51:31.067)
Mm. Yeah, it was on my list for sure.

Eli Price (01:51:40.868)
Mm-hmm.

Jacob Phillips (01:51:41.046)
But the addition of Sean Connery and just their back and forth in chemistry throughout the movie is like excellent. And there's just so many great one-liners. Um, there's even the great, like, you know, point of, you know, whatever you want to say about the Holy grail, you know, but it's like, yeah, of course Jesus wouldn't pick the flashy one. You know, I don't know. There's just some, there's some cool stuff in it. I really like it.

Eli Price (01:51:49.743)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:52:01.949)
Ha ha ha ha.

Eli Price (01:52:05.723)
Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, great pick. I had thought about it, but, but yeah, it's been a long time since I've seen it. So like, you know, I didn't want to pick it because I was like, maybe, maybe I wouldn't like it as much. I don't know. It just, it's been a long time. I'm realizing now I've, I picked the movie. I have two, like other than dark night, obviously I have two superhero movies. Spider-Man two is one of them.

Jacob Phillips (01:52:33.823)
Uh huh.

Eli Price (01:52:34.091)
I have another one that I have rated higher, but it's too late now. So I'm going to share that. It's not my pick. Logan. Logan is a great movie. So feel free to pick that if you want with your last pick. But I

Jacob Phillips (01:52:40.212)
Okay.

It's on my list too.

Jacob Phillips (01:52:49.016)
I would argue that that's the best made superhero movie.

Like ever.

Eli Price (01:52:55.767)
Just like ever? Yeah, it's so, I think it and Dark Knight, I think I have three movies that are superhero movies rated like a four and a half stars, nine out of 10. And it's those two, Logan and the Dark Knight and also Into the Spider-Verse. Or.

Jacob Phillips (01:53:01.375)
Yeah, other than Dark Knight.

Jacob Phillips (01:53:19.978)
Yeah, I'll say Logan's the best Marvel movie ever made.

Eli Price (01:53:23.583)
It is. I would agree. I think it's the best. It's not MCU and MCU movie, but I think it's the best Marvel movie for sure. You know, I love Into the Spiderverse, but yeah, probably still looking. So, yeah, I'm sticking with Spider-Man 2, though. Still a great pick. But it's my last pick. So.

Jacob Phillips (01:53:29.016)
You're right.

Eli Price (01:53:49.951)
Yeah, it's hard. There's a few that I would like to pick. Maybe we can share some honorable mentions in a minute, but I'm going to go with something off the wall. It's not something I have like, you know, I think I have it rated like three and a half stars or four stars. I can't remember off the top of my head. And it might not even be one that most people are aware of.

This might hurt my my poll chances, but it's something it gives. It gives me some versatility with a very, very different option from anything we've we've done. I'm going to go with the trip to Greece. Yeah, so there's there's a series. It's, you know, usually referred to as the trip series. It's this like. I don't know how to describe it. It's like a pseudo.

Jacob Phillips (01:54:23.182)
I'm very intrigued.

Jacob Phillips (01:54:33.715)
Interesting, okay.

Eli Price (01:54:48.323)
documentary Like it's it's Steve Coogan and Rob Brydon their two British comedians and they basically like there they go on a road trip together and they're going to these like kind of bed-and-breakfast and Across I think in the first one they're going through England or Scotland I can't remember

But yeah, they're just kind of doing it because they're going to review these restaurants and bed and breakfasts for a magazine or a write-up of some sort. And it's really funny, but it's like pseudo because they're playing themselves. But it's also scripted to a certain degree. There's a lot of, obviously, they're two comedians, so a lot of it is improv'd.

Jacob Phillips (01:55:35.235)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:55:46.915)
But there's also, there's like, it's scripted to a certain degree as far as like what's going to, like things that might come up or something like that. So I don't, I honestly don't know to what degree like it's scripted and to what degree it's improved. Most of their conversation is improved for sure. But it's hilarious. So you need to watch these movies sometime. If you've never heard of these or.

Jacob Phillips (01:55:57.052)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (01:56:02.146)
That's fun though.

Jacob Phillips (01:56:06.83)
That's awesome.

Eli Price (01:56:15.095)
whatever, it looks like the first one is actually on Pluto TV or Tubi right now. So you can go watch it for free with ads if you want to do that. It's called The Trip. But yeah, so The Trip to Greece is actually the last one in the series. I don't know if they're, I think, I don't think they're going to make more. But yeah, there's, there's four of them.

Jacob Phillips (01:56:22.926)
There you go.

Eli Price (01:56:40.939)
So there's the trip, the trip to Italy, the trip to Spain and then the trip to Greece. And and yeah, the trip to Greece is actually my favorite of the four. You know, there it's it's almost this like they're coming to the end of their journey and you kind of kind of see them age as you go through these movies with them, too. And there's just this like heavy.

Jacob Phillips (01:57:02.391)
Mm. Yeah.

Eli Price (01:57:07.799)
You know, they're funny, but they're also British. And so like, you know how the British are funny. But they they joke about like very serious things. And so you have these moments where they're like really come into terms with like death and like just like the the inevitability of it. And, you know, the I guess how life is just like so short.

Jacob Phillips (01:57:13.111)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (01:57:22.61)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:57:33.371)
And so like it's extremely funny their conversations. They do a lot of like impersonations There's this bit in one of them where they're like they're trying to see who can do the better the better My mind just went blank Alfred and and Christopher Nolan's Michael Caine, I don't know why I couldn't think of Michael Caine They're trying to like go they're going back and forth of who can do the best Michael Caine impression and it's hilarious like

Jacob Phillips (01:57:51.138)
My cocaine. Heh heh.

Jacob Phillips (01:58:00.266)
That's awesome.

Eli Price (01:58:02.523)
They're like, you know, I don't want to bury any more batmans. And it's like, how many batmans are there? How many batmans have you buried? It's great. Yeah, they're hilarious. But but yeah, the trip to Greece just has this. I know I'm going way too long, but it just has this like.

Jacob Phillips (01:58:06.466)
Hehehehe

Jacob Phillips (01:58:11.381)
That's awesome.

Eli Price (01:58:22.191)
This very like, it's funny, but it also has this just very profound element to it that I just, it like, it really spoke to me. So that's my last pick, kind of like an off the wall pick. Um, so along with it comes a recommendation to watch through the trip series when you get the chance. So that's my last pick. Where are you going last, Jacob?

Jacob Phillips (01:58:35.811)
Nice.

Jacob Phillips (01:58:44.962)
There you go.

Jacob Phillips (01:58:51.626)
I'm gonna go, this is a tough one. I mean, we'll talk about some of the honorable mentions, but I'm gonna go ahead and take Skyfall. Skyfall was one that I was really excited for when it was coming out, and it definitely lived up to the hype, which was awesome, and even exceeded it. And Javier Bardem just continues to be an incredible villain when he's on screen.

Eli Price (01:59:01.807)
Great pick, yeah.

Eli Price (01:59:10.096)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:59:21.147)
For sure.

Jacob Phillips (01:59:21.55)
You know, in this one, No Country For Old Men, if you've seen collateral, he's not really like a heavy villain, but he's he's really excellent. His his sequence there in collateral. But yes, Skyfall, it's it's super intense, great action movie and James Bond at arguably his best.

Eli Price (01:59:32.403)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:59:40.523)
Yeah. Yeah, for sure. It's it's hard, like because.

Eli Price (01:59:48.855)
I would casino Royale is so good. It's hard to say that like it's not the best of the series, but Skyfall to me is like right there with it there. I think they're both like just really good James Bond movies and

Jacob Phillips (01:59:51.829)
Oh yeah.

Jacob Phillips (01:59:59.754)
Yeah, I think Skyfall's a little bit more complete and better paced than Casino Royale is. Because there's a point in Casino Royale, if you haven't watched in a while, where you get to it and you're like, oh, the ending's coming up. And then it goes on for another 30 minutes, and you're like, oh my gosh, I forgot how much of this is left. But Casino Royale still is super awesome, and you get a really raw 007, which is fun.

Eli Price (02:00:17.092)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:00:20.783)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (02:00:28.823)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. So that's our list. I'm going to read them out. So I went with Empire Strikes Back, The Godfather Part 2, Mad Max Fury Road. Yeah, Blade Runner 2049, Paddington 2, Spider-Man 2 and the trip to Greece. So that's my list. I'm happy with it. Jacob.

Jacob Phillips (02:00:44.174)
Excellent.

Jacob Phillips (02:00:56.927)
Yeah, it's a great list.

Eli Price (02:00:58.367)
Jacob's list is the Dark Knight, Terminator 2, Judgment Day, also known as T2. That's right. Top Gun Maverick, Lord of the Rings, Return of the King, Toy Story 2, Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade, and finally Skyfall. We all know James Bond doesn't name his movies after himself.

Jacob Phillips (02:01:06.407)
T2.

Eli Price (02:01:28.099)
You just got to figure it out, figure out if it's a James Bond movie or not. Yeah, so those are our list. We'll put a poll up and let the people choose who who have the best draft. And so, yeah, I, you know, I had the off the wall pick at the end might hurt me. But maybe people will appreciate me. Yeah, maybe people will appreciate that. And we'll see. I don't know.

Jacob Phillips (02:01:32.43)
That's right.

Jacob Phillips (02:01:51.15)
It's a fun recommendation though.

Jacob Phillips (02:01:56.982)
Yeah, you took some risks and I think that that's warranted.

Eli Price (02:01:58.105)
Um.

Eli Price (02:02:01.755)
For sure. Yeah, I didn't get really I didn't get an animated movie in there. I wanted to You probably picked my favorite of the options But so I went

Jacob Phillips (02:02:12.104)
Yeah, despite my hat, I was not going to pick Space Jam 2 either.

Eli Price (02:02:17.588)
Yeah, yes, yeah, I'm not we won't get into that but some honorable mentions for me Yeah, so I'm trying to look through my list I have things like Incredibles 2 and how to train your dragon 2 as far as like animated sequels both really good

Jacob Phillips (02:02:20.707)
Yeah

Jacob Phillips (02:02:35.056)
Mm. Yeah.

Eli Price (02:02:44.487)
You know, I mentioned Logan. You've got obviously two towers also. Aliens was one that I was was struggling with. Alien, the first one is. Better, in my opinion, so it didn't kind of fall into my my category, I was going with of like better than the first. But Aliens is still a great movie. And James another James Cameron addition there.

Jacob Phillips (02:02:52.546)
Oh yeah.

Jacob Phillips (02:03:03.607)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:03:13.823)
Yeah, the last Jedi. I'm a last Jedi truther So that might have got me some that might have really hurt my list if I put that in there But I already had empire so I didn't need to um Prisoner of Azkaban, I think prisoner of Azkaban is the best harry potter movie Um, it helps that it has a great director. Um, but yeah uh Obviously, you know, you got the rocky movies

Jacob Phillips (02:03:22.419)
Yeah, I think so.

Jacob Phillips (02:03:43.926)
Yeah, Rocky 3 was on my list.

Eli Price (02:03:43.967)
Um, you've got, yeah, we, we talked about the mission and possible movies. Um, I don't know. I was trying to figure out. So you have, um, the, the ma'am, Sergio Leone is like man with no name series. And I just don't know. Like, so the, I had the good, the bad and the ugly on my list, but I wasn't really sure, like, can you consider that a sequel? I don't know. Cause they're not, is it considered a sequel?

Jacob Phillips (02:04:00.651)
Mm-hmm.

Jacob Phillips (02:04:09.106)
It's considered a sequel, technically. Yeah, whenever I was looking up like what, like some of the best sequels just to kind of get like my brain running and that was on there consistently.

Eli Price (02:04:13.506)
Okay.

Eli Price (02:04:17.899)
Yeah. OK. OK. Well, it's just hard because like they're not really like related movies other than. Other than like the character, and he doesn't he's a man with no name and he has a different name in all the movies. So I just wasn't sure is like, are these just like people package these together because of like.

Jacob Phillips (02:04:32.247)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (02:04:36.339)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:04:44.515)
director like actor combo or is it actually sequels? But yeah, the good, the bad and the ugly, like probably should have been picked. But yeah.

Jacob Phillips (02:04:45.588)
Right.

Jacob Phillips (02:04:52.278)
Man, if that's the case, the Leo Scorsese cinematic universe is pretty crazy if you consider all those direct sequels to each other.

Eli Price (02:05:01.58)
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, there were some there were some that I haven't seen That I kind of wanted to mention just because they're things that I do want to see like Kill Bill volume 2 I It's the only I think I haven't seen that and death Bruce from Tarantino. I just have never gotten around to it so yeah, there's the

Jacob Phillips (02:05:12.64)
Mm-hmm.

Jacob Phillips (02:05:20.234)
Yeah, I haven't seen Death Proof either. Kill Bill Volume 2, I liked significantly more than the first Kill Bill. So yeah.

Eli Price (02:05:28.916)
Okay, so it might have fit in my ass.

Might have fit with my trend there. But yeah, there's the before series. Yeah, Before Sunrise, the first one. I haven't seen them, so I can't really pick them. But I do have the Criterion edition of the trilogy, so I'm going to get to it. You have a Satyajit Ray's trilogy with an Indian director from the 50s with a

Jacob Phillips (02:05:35.18)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (02:05:39.223)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (02:05:42.807)
I haven't seen them either.

Jacob Phillips (02:05:47.726)
Nice.

Eli Price (02:06:01.923)
Path of Panchali is the first one and then you have I think the second one is upper Appara he toe apparejito. I don't know how to pronounce these but yeah It's supposed to be an incredible trilogy and one that's been on my list for a while never gotten around to it Evil Dead 2 Never never seen the Evil Dead movies

Jacob Phillips (02:06:14.787)
Nice.

Jacob Phillips (02:06:21.578)
me either, but that one's considered one of those that's better than the original.

Eli Price (02:06:25.855)
Yeah, you have, um, uh, che part two. Uh, yeah, is, is one that I've, I've never seen the che movies and then, uh, Sanjuro, which is a, um, Akira Kurosawa, uh, Sanjuro is the sequel of, is it Yojimbo? Is it, am I right? Yes. Yojimbo is the one that's more well known samurai movie. And then Sanjuro is the, the sequel to it.

Jacob Phillips (02:06:29.648)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (02:06:54.687)
Never seen either of those, but I love Kurosawa, so I'll have to get to those Yeah but yeah, that's that's a That's some just honorable mentions things that you know maybe one of those on that list you think We should have picked or maybe Yeah, maybe you had some that we didn't even mention that we should have picked just to let us know But yeah, that's all we have this week Well actually we haven't done our recommendations of the week. Did you have?

Jacob Phillips (02:06:57.518)
Nice.

Jacob Phillips (02:07:14.541)
Yeah.

Jacob Phillips (02:07:22.41)
Oh, that's right. That's right. Yeah, I got one.

Eli Price (02:07:23.823)
Did you have something prepared?

Okay, go for it.

Jacob Phillips (02:07:28.778)
Yeah, so I recently finally got around to seeing Taxi Driver and I also watched, um, well I watched Bottle Rocket. So my recommendation is if you have a favorite director, go back and watch maybe their first, like their breakout, their breakout movie, cause there's just a lot, there's a lot to like in so many of these.

Eli Price (02:07:37.654)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:07:52.045)
Mm-hmm.

Jacob Phillips (02:07:58.386)
And I watched one other movie, I'm trying to remember what it was, that was kind of like a breakout for the director. But I've also recently rewatched, or watched for the first time, the Rocky movies. So just kind of seeing some of these early movies from either, you know, in Rocky's case, you know, it's Sylvester Stallone, and then some of these early movies from pretty famous directors.

Eli Price (02:08:14.233)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:08:27.995)
Mm-hmm.

Jacob Phillips (02:08:28.01)
I think Blood Simple is the Cohen's first movie and that's on HBO Max. That's an excellent movie as well. So I recommend go and watch your favorite director's first movie and just kind of see what you think if you haven't seen it. Because I think oftentimes directors like first movies, which I mean Taxi Driver wasn't Scorsese's first, but that was his breakout. But going back and rewatching some of those old ones, because I think they oftentimes can get lost in the shuffle with.

especially if they've got just so many good movies.

Eli Price (02:09:01.379)
Right. Yeah. Yeah, that's great. You know, I had thought of something earlier and then I lost it. So I'm going to make my recommendation of the week to just go see the trip movies. Yeah. You know, I know the trip to Greece is on Hulu. Don't start with that. They watch them. Watch them in order. I think they're they're probably better that way. But they're they're just movies you can kick back like.

Jacob Phillips (02:09:14.403)
There you go.

Jacob Phillips (02:09:23.212)
Okay.

Eli Price (02:09:30.895)
They're not like they're comedies and there's not like a plot or anything. And so you can just kind of kick back and enjoy them. Um, you know, maybe throw on, throw it on during your lunch break and watch 30 minutes of it and pick back up later sort of thing. Uh, they're just, yeah, they're just fun. They're, they're fun movies. They have those like kind of heavy themes that'll come in and catch you off guard every once in a while. But, uh,

Jacob Phillips (02:09:46.078)
Yeah, I like a good hangout movie.

Eli Price (02:09:59.011)
But still, really fun. They make me laugh. So yeah, I'll just make my recommendation that for this week. And maybe next week I'll come more prepared. But yeah, Jacob, I know you were on last week. But if you just want to share real quick where people can find you again, maybe they missed last week's episode. So yeah, let us know where you can find you.

Jacob Phillips (02:10:23.402)
Yeah. Yeah. So you, you can, you can find me on Twitter at Philly tweeting. So P H I L L Y T W E E T I N. And I'm also part of the committed football guys podcast. So you can find us on Twitter at CFG pod. We're super active. We're super excited. Just about everything that's going on. I think by the time this episode has released, we'll have covered the, the NFL draft.

Eli Price (02:10:40.795)
That's right.

Jacob Phillips (02:10:53.574)
So be looking out for new episodes talking about the NFL draft and the impact that might have on different players and things like that. So if you're an NFL fan or a fantasy football fan, check us out.

Eli Price (02:11:03.291)
Sure.

Yeah, and part of our podcast network that we're in together, the Pertaeum podcast network. I never know if I'm saying that word right. But yeah, so, yeah, protean, pertean, whatever. Weird word. Yeah. But yeah. So, yeah, check out. Yeah, check out Jacob on Twitter and check out Committed Football Guys podcast. But other than that.

Jacob Phillips (02:11:09.59)
That's right.

Jacob Phillips (02:11:14.103)
There we go.

I think it's protean, but it's okay. It's a weird word, people don't really know it.

Eli Price (02:11:34.819)
We will see you again next week. Jacob won't be back with us, but we'll have another guest with us next week. Yes, an awesome guest to talk about Rushmore. So look forward to that and we will see you next week. I've been Eli Price and for Jacob Phillips, that you've been listening to the Establishing Shot podcast. So we will see you again next time.

Jacob Phillips (02:11:40.991)
an awesome guest.