Directors' Flops Movie Draft (w/ Zachary Lee)

Eli Price (00:01.466)
Hello and welcome to the Establishing Shot, a podcast where we do deep dives into directors and their filmographies. We are taking a break this week from our early Spielberg series covering his movies in the 70s and 80s. And we are doing a movie draft inspired by our talk last week on Spielberg's 1941. 1941 is, you know,

widely considered a pretty huge flop for Spielberg. Maybe not commercially, but critically and audience reception, not good. So considered his probably worst movie. And so we're taking inspiration from that and doing a movie draft of famous directors flops. So I'm excited about this. It should be a fun episode. Zachary Lee.

is joining me again after our discussion on 1941 last week for this draft. Zachary, how are you feeling about this draft? Are you prepared? Are you ready to draft some directors flops?

Zachary Lee (01:16.664)
I am ready. I think it was helpful to hear, Ava and I were chatting a bit offline, or off mic, but it was interesting to hear criteria and I think break down what's considered a flop. I know you'll probably break down more of what that entails, but it was a good exercise and I think it was a surprising journey to look at, oh, that's a flop. And also just make a case for some potentially guilty pleasures as well.

Eli Price (01:49.338)
Oh yeah, yeah, guilty pleasures. That's a good, there are, this is probably a good list to fit some of those in for sure. Yeah, but.

Zachary Lee (01:56.312)
Yeah. It is. Yeah.

Eli Price (02:02.138)
Go ahead.

Zachary Lee (02:02.648)
Oh, it is funny because I remember our last battle, our last draft Eli. And you won by a very respectable margin. So I've come determined to, you know, even if I were to go down again, it will at least be better than the last time. So all in fun, but it was just a funny thing to remember. Exactly. Yeah.

Eli Price (02:21.562)
Yeah, go down with a fight.

I've had, um, I won a lot of the drafts that we've done on the podcast. Um, but there's been a, there's been like several where like someone really took me down big time. Um, I, uh, I'm nervous. Uh, it has, it's the episode released at the time of our recording, but the poll hasn't gone up quite yet.

So I'm nervous to see how the creature feature draft that I did alongside Jaws turns out. Cause I actually like my guest list more than mine. Cause he kept stealing my pics. But you know, it is what it is. Yeah. I'm excited about this one. So the thought process here is director's flops. So these we're trying to stick to.

Zachary Lee (02:58.84)
Yeah.

Zachary Lee (03:02.68)
More than... There we go, you know.

Eli Price (03:22.202)
well -known directors, you know, directors that people would recognize some of their movies. And I gave some parameters to Zachary, like that they're kind of fluid. So I said it needs to be like a Metacritic score around 60 or below. That kind of gives it like a yellow on Metacritic Metascore, whatever you call it.

Those that's the score that critic score that shows on IMDB It also It can't be a director's first movie Because you can't really have a flop if it's your first movie. I think you kind of have to have some previous success for something to be considered a flop and then Yeah, I gave some other parameters obviously like

I kind of personally took Rotten Tomatoes into account. How does the audience and critics score look on Rotten Tomatoes? And then also like, I guess like bonus points if it was also a commercial failure, because for instance, with 1941, it actually like made decent money back but was like still widely considered a flop. And we kind of talked about how like, I gave the example of like,

You can't strictly go by like how a movie does commercially for it to be a flop because you mentioned like Scorsese's silence and I was mentioning like Paul Thomas Anderson movies like they don't silence or Paul Thomas Anderson movies like never do like that great commercially, but they're like widely considered like phenomenal movies. So you can't it's hard to like call those flops just because they didn't like make a lot of money.

Zachary Lee (04:51.)
Yeah.

Eli Price (05:15.226)
or lost money even maybe. But yeah, it's definitely interesting. So some of these movies I'm sure will be movies that maybe are more respected today than they were at the time. Movies that maybe critically didn't do that great at the time, but over time have become more well -respected.

Yeah. If you've never tuned in for a movie draft before, um, the way I always describe it is it's like picking, uh, the best kickball team in the school yard. Um, you want to have the best team that you can get to win the match to win the game, but also maybe sometimes you pick your best friend because you got to pick your best friend, you know, even if he's not any good, uh, at kickball. And so, um,

Zachary Lee (06:07.032)
Exactly.

Eli Price (06:10.17)
You know, the friendship is more important than winning sometimes. So sometimes that happens. You end up with a list of movies that you love, but maybe you know are going to lose you the game. Me and Zachary, we're fighting to win this week. So.

Zachary Lee (06:29.368)
Yeah, well, I tried for choosing Friends last time and we see how well that one did for the horror movie draft. So I'll still stand by my picks, but you know, it was a rough going, rough showing, but shout out to the one person who voted. Yeah.

Eli Price (06:39.802)
Yeah.

Oh yeah, yeah. You know.

Hey, you had a good list. You had a good list.

Eli Price (06:53.146)
Um, all right. So typically what we do is, um, when I bring a returning guest on, I, uh, they usually have the first pick the draft. When I bring them on as first time guests, Zachary is a returning guest. So I am taking back the first pick and, uh, we're going to pick five movies each. If you have a movie that doesn't exactly fit into the maybe metacritic.

Parameters will kind of explain why we still are considering it a flop But uh, but yeah, I'm gonna start off my draft pick number one One overall a movie that was definitely a commercial flop It had like a 50 million dollar budget, but only grossed 34 million dollars in worldwide definitely commercial flop on on Metacritic

It has a 62, so it is just a tiny bit above the 60 mark, but it has it's rotten on rotten tomatoes, a critic score. This is a movie that I've covered on the podcast that I love. Um, and that is Wes Anderson's, the life aquatic with Steve's issue. Um, so, uh, at the time it was a big flop. Uh, he spent, he had a huge budget, didn't make it back.

It wasn't well received at the time. I think this even this probably meta score is probably people reviewing it and like in hindsight, I think Because it didn't have like great reception at the time it came out it is like largely considered now like a really great movie

by a lot of people. It kind of got reappraised in a way that 1941 didn't get reappraised because 1941 actually is a pretty bad movie. But yeah, this is a movie that like was a flop at the time and has really like picked up a lot of appreciation since then. And I'm a part of that post -flop appreciation wave, I guess. What about you? Do you?

Zachary Lee (09:14.232)
That's right.

Eli Price (09:15.034)
Do you like this movie? Have you seen it?

Zachary Lee (09:17.752)
I was gonna say I haven't seen it, but it's interesting you mention it because it's one of those, I didn't even know, because the way, it's a testament to the change in reception now of the reversal because every time I've heard people talk about this film now, it's always with such warmth and gratitude and love. And so this is news for me because I was like, oh, and I'm like, it's Wes, it must have, you know.

Eli Price (09:22.746)
Ah, yeah.

Eli Price (09:33.946)
Mm -hmm.

Zachary Lee (09:45.08)
gotten the universal critical acclaim from Rotten Tomatoes upon its release, you know, as all West films. So it's like, oh, I'm learning something new, you know, where it's like, I guess it wasn't at the start, you know, so, yeah.

Eli Price (09:52.57)
Yeah.

Eli Price (09:56.73)
Yeah. Yeah. I think it has like a 57 % on Rotten Tomatoes, um, which is considered rotten. Um, yeah. And definitely like a prime example of a commercial flop for sure. Um, cause 50 million is a, is a big budget for, uh, for Wes Anderson. Um, and just like didn't get a return on it, lost money. So.

Zachary Lee (10:05.048)
Yeah.

Zachary Lee (10:17.432)
Yeah, that is a lot.

Eli Price (00:03.682)
All right, so it's the second pick overall, your first pick. Where are you going?

Zachary Lee (00:10.387)
Yeah, Eli, you came out swinging with the Wes Anderson, so I'm like, I have to, I might do some slight adjustment here, but I'll go with one that was interesting because it was on that same list where I was like, oh, I'm surprised to see the reception warm up a bit now, but it is.

John Carpenter's 1982 film, The Thing. So that got a, what was, let me check the score here. I wrote it down. It had a 57 on Metacritic, which is really crazy to think about. And when I think about it just being such an iconic horror, like sci -fi film.

Sci -fi horror film. I actually saw it for the first time last year and even though I had a lot of it spoiled for me I think there was just so much that was still so Striking and new and that I really enjoyed and so yeah, I

Eli Price (01:09.602)
Wow.

Zachary Lee (01:09.715)
It's interesting to think about it as, I think when it first came out, people liked the special effects, but I think it was getting unfairly compared to movies like ET, that featured a different take on aliens and everything like that. It's weird to think when it came out, it just wasn't well received, but it's one that I deeply love.

Eli Price (01:24.034)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:40.226)
Yeah, I didn't, that was totally off my radar. Um, but yeah, I love the thing. Uh, I actually took it in the creature feature draft, um, as one of my picks. Um, so, uh, yeah, I just didn't even like, wasn't all my, that's the thing about this. Like, I'm sure there's like several that I'll pick that you didn't realize was like a flop and probably like, this is a surprise for me. I'm like, Oh wow.

Zachary Lee (01:44.083)
Yeah.

Zachary Lee (01:51.411)
Oh, okay.

Zachary Lee (02:09.235)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:10.05)
Yeah, I guess that was like considered a flop, but like kind of, I guess another example of like a reappraisal later on that people like love the, cause a lot of people love the thing now. Um, me and you included apparently. Um, but yeah, that's a great pick. Um, strong, uh, a strong pick alongside the life aquatic. So yeah. Um, yeah. Okay.

Zachary Lee (02:24.723)
Mm -hmm, yeah. Yeah.

Zachary Lee (02:33.747)
They're quite frequently, yeah.

Eli Price (02:40.354)
That's great. I'm going to go into my second pick now. It's tough. So I think.

I think what I'll do is I'm going to pick. So I have two movies by this director. I'm going, I like one of them more. They're both, I think probably flops. I'm going to pick the one that's maybe more well known, even though I personally like the other one more. Just, uh, maybe get some more. I don't know. Maybe this is to my disadvantage because a lot of people really don't like this movie.

So, but it is the more scene of the two. I'm going to go with Darren Aronofsky's Noah, which I really, I still like stand by that being a pretty good movie. It has, it has its flaws, but I think like thematically it's doing really interesting things. I think like the, it has some like really incredible visual sequences.

that I think are like really incredible like there's this kind of like creation evolution maybe sequence that it goes through that's in like this almost stop -motion style that's just like really beautiful and yeah I stand by this actually was on

past guest Dave Lester show, does the Bible say that for an episode where we talked about Noah's this or Darren Aronofsky's Noah kind of, we both enjoyed the film and talked about it in relation to the Bible story of the flood. So that was fun to talk about that with Dave. But yeah, I stand by this movie. I also had,

Eli Price (04:51.586)
Well, let me ask you, did you have any Aronofsky on your list?

Zachary Lee (04:55.891)
I actually, I didn't know. I think, and that's honestly because apart from the whale and Noah, I realize I haven't seen a lot of the big ones, you know, like black swan or mother, I guess, or Wrecking For A Dream, yeah.

Eli Price (04:59.106)
Yeah, okay.

Eli Price (05:06.786)
Yeah. So, yeah. So the other one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So the other one I had was the fountain, which I think is considered a flop, but I think it's really great.

Zachary Lee (05:15.827)
Oh.

Wait, he had heated the fountain? Oh, that's so cool. Yeah, I didn't know that. I forgot.

Eli Price (05:22.21)
Yeah, yeah, not, not well received kind of critically and I don't think it did very well. Uh, but yeah, I love the fountain. Um, but yeah, I'm going to go with Noah. Um, and maybe that'll help me or maybe it'll like kill my draft because there are a lot of people that really don't like Noah. Um, so we'll see, we'll see how it goes.

Zachary Lee (05:31.091)
Yeah.

Zachary Lee (05:38.259)
Wow.

Zachary Lee (05:47.603)
Yeah.

Honestly, good choice though. Good pick. I mean, I, like, personally speaking, I found a lot to enjoy about it. I think it was just one of those, like, I think it's just interesting. I don't think these were the same year, but I just remember when it was like Noah came out, Ridley Scott was doing Exodus, Gods and Kings, and I was like, yo, like, it's so cool. All these, like, directors are...

Eli Price (06:13.282)
Mm -hmm.

Zachary Lee (06:16.211)
I don't think these are biblically accurate by any means, but it's just kind of fun to take their spin on it and apply their lenses. So when you throw in rock giants and they're just fight, I'm set, and then you get the rest of the movie. So I respect this pic truly. That's a cool one. But that's funny because speaking of potentially...

Eli Price (06:20.436)
Sure.

Eli Price (06:25.698)
Yeah.

Eli Price (06:31.714)
Oh yeah.

Zachary Lee (06:44.019)
Well, was there more you wanted to say on that, by the way? Or you said, okay, cool. I was gonna say, speaking of potentially sinking the draft, this could be it, but this is one of those, like you gotta pick one of your best friends on it, and that's so much to believe it. But we're gonna go with, I wanna double check and make sure, I think I have the date right, but I just wanna make sure, yep.

Eli Price (06:46.274)
No, no, yeah, your pick is up. Go for it.

Zachary Lee (07:07.379)
We're gonna go with the Wachowski siblings 2015 Jupiter ascending. So yeah, this one, man, I, yeah, we're slotting that in. It has a 40 on, I think it's the lowest on my Metacritic on numbers. That might not be true, but from looking on it, I'm like, it's definitely like, you know, lower echelon, but yeah, I.

Eli Price (07:15.298)
Okay.

Eli Price (07:34.274)
Yeah, yeah.

Zachary Lee (07:35.539)
I remember watching this, it was actually during COVID. So it was one of those like it was on Netflix and I had I remember seeing the trailer thinking it was really cool. And then when it dropped in 2015, like, it just got panned. I think people were saying like, man, like, it's just the Wachowski's recycling past themes, you know.

they haven't made a good movie since the first major, you know, and it's just like, cause I think he did cloud Atlas or something, you know? And so there was just so much vitriol surrounding this and, you know, and I hadn't, I wasn't a huge, like either Channing Tanum or Mila Kunis fan. So there wasn't a hook to see this at the start, but I don't know watching this, I was, maybe it was like the time and I just really wanted some sci -fi escapism, but I just found it visually so compelling and.

Eli Price (07:58.626)
Hmm.

Eli Price (08:02.466)
Yeah.

Mm -hmm.

Eli Price (08:23.874)
Yeah.

Zachary Lee (08:27.763)
Yeah, Eddie Redmayne is a little, it's an interesting choice there, what he's trying to do with his character. But I just had a really fun time with it. And I think there's still lots of interesting things about legacy and destiny. And I think this was one where I'm like, I can't believe it just got so eviscerated as hard as it did when it came out in 2015. But yeah, but whether it's stinks or not, I'm like, I'm a Jupiter ascending stan. So that's my number two.

Eli Price (08:48.29)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Eli Price (08:57.46)
Yeah, yeah, that's we're really like paralleling each other here because like people hated that movie people hated Noah people love The Thing people love Life Aquatic So yeah, I love the back and forth I saw I remember I saw Jupiter Ascending in theaters, but in 2015 But I have no like I wasn't able to re- like assess it leading up to this so I

Zachary Lee (09:01.203)
Yeah.

No, I love the Atlantic, yeah.

Yeah.

Zachary Lee (09:22.611)
Yeah.

Eli Price (09:24.866)
You know, I don't really remember a lot about it. So, um, I'll have to revisit it though. Uh, now that you say it, now that you bring it up and, um, cause I, I don't remember like hating it at the time. I don't remember if I loved it or anything, but, um, yeah, I'll have to revisit that one for sure. Um, yeah, so I, I have a f****g

I actually have like several that I really want to draft. We're only drafting five each, so I'm not going to be, I'll have to get some honorable mentions in. Um, but, uh,

Zachary Lee (10:01.331)
Exactly. Yeah.

Eli Price (10:07.01)
I think for the sake of fun content, I will take your Wachowski's Jupiter sending and raise you one Wachowski's Speed Racer.

Zachary Lee (10:19.571)
Speed up, that's great. There we go, there we go.

Eli Price (10:22.978)
Uh, speed racer is so fun. I, it's, um, I actually caught up with it in the past week. Um, I was like, okay, we're, we're doing this. I've always wanted to see the Wachowski speed racer. This is a good excuse to sit down and finally watch this movie. And I've got to say it's, it was a whole lot of fun. Um, it's, um, visually like.

Zachary Lee (10:27.187)
Yeah.

Zachary Lee (10:32.211)
Oh, yeah.

Eli Price (10:52.386)
So here's the thing about the Wachowski Speed Racer. I remember growing up like watching episodes of Speed Racer on Cartoon Network. Um, like, and so there's a little bit of like nostalgia there. Um, but also like to take that anime style and the, like the anime, like. Drum, I guess like the drama that you find in anime.

Uh, and all in, and that mixed with like the visuals that you find in anime and to make a live action version of that, that actually kind of works as anime is like really impressive. Honestly. Um, it has that like over dramatic and sentimental tone to it. That is very much in the, in the realm of like how animes work. Um,

Zachary Lee (11:37.523)
Yeah. Yeah.

Zachary Lee (11:44.531)
Yeah.

Eli Price (11:51.106)
And then visually, like a lot of the stunts and stuff they're doing is just like, there's like a fight sequence where it keeps like slowing down and there's like these like, I don't know, it almost looks like stars like exploding around people and the way that they, they do the racing is like, I don't know. It's just such a fun, energetic movie that like captures the anime in like, I don't think any movies ever captured anime in live action form.

Zachary Lee (12:13.331)
Yeah.

Eli Price (12:21.378)
quite to the degree of this movie. Yeah. So have you seen Speed Racer?

Zachary Lee (12:22.483)
point to that degree. That's interesting. Yeah, I'll have to rewatch that one. It's yeah, I have it's similar to your experience when you watch your person like I just don't remember I wish I could remember certain scenes a lot. Well, I think I remember thinking is it racer X or who's like the Yeah, I was I remember being

Eli Price (12:42.018)
Mm -hmm. Yeah, racer X is not the bad guy. There's like a he's kind of like a mysterious Kind of like antihero ish kind of guy But then you have yeah

Zachary Lee (12:55.859)
Yeah. I remember being, yeah.

Yeah, no, I just remember being like, yeah, I want to be that guy for Halloween. He seems pretty cool. So I just, it's, so it's like things like that, but it's, I didn't, I don't think I clocked on the first watch the anime influences. So now I'll have to watch it again with that in mind. Yeah.

Eli Price (13:06.722)
Yeah.

Eli Price (13:16.45)
Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's it started off as a manga and then it became an anime series that became really popular in the US in the 90s. And so like, I kind of grew up in the time where it was like getting popular in the US. And I remember watching episodes of it on Cartoon Network growing up. And so I was just like, that's why I've always wanted to watch the movie because I have that like,

those memories of seeing it on TV back in the day. But yeah, it even kind of has like the anti -capitalism Wachowski theme kind of running through it. Like the big bad is actually like the, you know, the big CEO guy is kind of like the made by guy. So yeah, so that's fun too.

Zachary Lee (13:55.859)
That's right. Yeah.

Zachary Lee (14:02.387)
Oh, that's right, yeah.

Zachary Lee (14:07.667)
That's right, okay. Okay, I'll definitely have to re -watch this then. That's great, okay. I love that.

Eli Price (14:12.258)
Yeah.

Zachary Lee (14:15.571)
another stack cast.

Eli Price (14:16.13)
So I didn't plan on picking that number three, but when you went Jupiter ascending, I was like, oh, this is going to make great content if I just pick speed racer after.

Zachary Lee (14:23.987)
No, listen, it's like we love it being and it's and that's what I love. It's like it's an evidence for like, you know, Wachowski is like you, you know, you got you got your fans here over on the establishing shot, you know, we have people who like your things, but yeah, that's great. OK, speed racer, that's a solid one. All OK. Well, I guess in the same speaking of to try to keep the connection going, if we're thinking of.

Eli Price (14:36.386)
Mm -hmm.

Zachary Lee (14:52.627)
Insane and creative ways different vehicles are being used this is a I think this will be the first in a franchise well, I guess not really because if you think of the thing as a franchise, but I'm gonna go with the The least liked I think I can say of this particular franchise directed by the one and only John Woo, this is Mission Impossible 2 the 2000

Eli Price (15:20.29)
Oh.

Zachary Lee (15:21.139)
film and yeah, I'll say it has a 59 on Metacritic. It's actually interesting. I think when I was doing a quick search that and the first movie are the only two Mission Impossible movies that are in the yellow. I think everything else has been, you know, 70 or above or 16. Yeah, that was so that's surprising to me too. Yeah. So if you like that one, I'll alley that one up to you. If you want, you want to adjust your picks later, but.

Eli Price (15:35.874)
Hmm. Oh, the first one is? Wow.

Eli Price (15:46.626)
Ha ha.

Zachary Lee (15:48.243)
Matt like I think you know so I saw this mission impossible to last year because he had a movie John Woo movie called silent night another like Christmas Action movie with Joel Kinnaman, so I real you know dead reckoning came out You know last year too, so it just seemed like hey I want to catch up on the mission impossible franchise want to watch some John Woo this seems like the perfect one and like

Eli Price (15:58.53)
Mm -hmm. Yeah.

Eli Price (16:05.25)
Mm -hmm.

Zachary Lee (16:14.419)
I went in knowing like most people have Mission Impossible 2 on their bottom for the Mission Impossible franchise. But I mean, maybe the theme is I just like fun films, but like this was such a, I mean, Eli, you're talking about like anime for Speedway. I'm like the way that final scene, you know, where it's like Tom Cruise's Ethan and they're like jousting, but with motorcycles and the doves. Like I was like, I was like, you've won me over, John.

Eli Price (16:22.658)
Guilty.

Eli Price (16:41.73)
The John Woo Doves.

Zachary Lee (16:43.155)
I know, I was like, I can't hate you, I can't rank you lowest on the Mission Impossible franchise, it's impossible. So it may be considered a flop, I think, especially in comparison to not only the first one, but as you look at other installments, I think people are like, yeah, it's not the best one, or it's the worst. I'm like, it's not the worst one for me. I don't know, I'm like, I don't actually know what I have as the worst Mission Impossible, but I know it's not two, so.

We're going with Mission Possible 2 for 53.

Eli Price (17:11.842)
Yeah.

Yeah, that's awesome. I watched through all of them last year leading up to the new one because I hadn't seen all of them. So, yeah, so two is bottom of my list. So I'm guilty of that. But yeah, it's fine. It...

Zachary Lee (17:21.587)
Yeah, new one, yeah. Yeah.

Zachary Lee (17:36.211)
of it.

Eli Price (17:43.49)
My problem is that like it turns Ethan Hunt into like a superhero kind of. Um, whereas like none of the rest of the franchise treats them that way, but like, if you just watch it standalone, I guess like it could totally work. Um, uh, and like there are like, I have a friend that like watched it a lot with his family growing up and kind of has like that just nostalgic, like connection to it and loves it for that reason.

Zachary Lee (17:49.203)
Sure, yeah.

Zachary Lee (18:11.283)
Mm -hmm.

Eli Price (18:12.482)
Um, so yeah, you know, there are people that love this movie and it and you're right. It is fun. Like there's no it's hard to make a unfun mission impossible movie. Uh, but yeah, it is it is fun. Um, okay I I have, um, I have a few movies that like

Zachary Lee (18:23.347)
That's right.

Eli Price (18:40.834)
I know fit the criteria, but I have a hard time like accepting it as a flop. Um, uh, so I, okay. Do I want to pick the movie that I know everyone has seen and most everyone that I know loves it or do I want to pick some?

Zachary Lee (18:44.883)
Mm -hmm.

Zachary Lee (18:50.451)
Yeah. Been there slash am there. Yeah.

Eli Price (19:10.978)
other choices. That's the question, the perpetual question. Um, so, okay, I'll do this. I'm going to go ahead. Cause this, I don't know if you were planning on going in this direct director's direction, but I feel like this, a list like this would be incomplete if we didn't have an M night Shyamalan movie, uh, picked. So I'm going to go ahead and take the village.

Zachary Lee (19:15.155)
always.

Zachary Lee (19:29.779)
Yeah.

Zachary Lee (19:35.731)
Ah, yep, yep, yep.

Oh, there we go. Yeah.

Eli Price (19:41.41)
Um, which, uh, I really enjoyed it definitely has some flaws. Um, I didn't like love, love, love this movie, but I thought it was really good. And, um, like really like incredibly shot. Um, uh, like you can definitely see like. Shamalan is like really, um, at this point, like he really has command of the camera. I think, uh,

Zachary Lee (19:53.235)
Mm -hmm.

Zachary Lee (20:09.779)
Yeah.

Eli Price (20:11.106)
and then like his cinematographer it was uh did roger deakins do this movie i think i i'm pretty sure um i'm looking at uh cinema yeah yeah and that's why it looks so dang good the movie looks so incredible uh it's because roger deakins was the cinematographer yeah um i you know it's

Zachary Lee (20:17.331)
That's, let me look that up really quickly.

Zachary Lee (20:23.443)
Yep, Roger Deakins, you're right.

Zachary Lee (20:29.363)
Yeah.

Zachary Lee (20:35.571)
That's right.

Eli Price (20:40.578)
It's the Shyamalan twist movie. I don't want to like spoil anything in a movie draft. So you'll just have to go watch it. I think it, in my opinion, it has more than one twist kind of. Um, but, uh, but yeah, I actually caught up with this a couple of weeks ago, knowing that I was going to do this draft cause I had never seen it. And I was like, you know what? I've got to have a Shyamalan pick in the draft.

Zachary Lee (20:43.155)
of course.

Zachary Lee (20:53.843)
Mm.

Eli Price (21:07.874)
A director flop draft would be incomplete without Shaman Line. So, so I, and I knew I was not going to pick his Avatar, the last airbender because I hated that. But, but yeah, the village I really enjoyed. So yeah, I'm, I'm picking the village and I'm sticking with it.

Zachary Lee (21:10.547)
without a shot on draft.

Zachary Lee (21:20.435)
Right... Yup.

Zachary Lee (21:33.267)
That's honestly respect. That's another one, you know, I haven't seen but have like, you know, it's on the watch list and it's interesting to your point because I think it's tossed between the M Night movies I have seen that I like are probably are like green or in the positives for the Metacritic. So I couldn't really pick it. And the ones that are seen and are bad, I think deserve to be in the bad range and.

Eli Price (21:38.658)
Mm.

Eli Price (21:53.89)
Yeah.

Zachary Lee (22:02.931)
like Last Airbender or After Earth. And I'm like, I'm not going to pick this one. So Village is fun is good to hear. It's like that sweet spot where like it didn't really get a lot of love on the Metacritic side, but you still like it and can enjoy it. Oh, OK. Yeah. For Roger Deakins, too. Yeah. Yeah.

Eli Price (22:03.202)
Yeah. Yeah.

Eli Price (22:17.25)
Yeah. It has a 44. 44 is really low. Now commercially it was. Yeah. Commercially. It was not a flop. It, um, I think it had like a $60 million budget, which is a huge, when you watch this movie, you're like, why is this called? Why did this cost $60 million? It doesn't feel like a $60 million movie. Um, which is, is not to its discredit. It still looks incredible. I'm just like,

Zachary Lee (22:36.819)
What? 60 billion?

Zachary Lee (22:41.491)
Yeah. Oh, that's interesting.

Eli Price (22:47.298)
What are they spending this money on? Cause I've seen plenty of like period piece movies with much smaller budgets. Um, anyway, but it made, it made 250 million worldwide, which is a huge return. So definitely not like a commercial flop, but like a 44, it's got a 44 on a 44 meta score. It's got, um, let's see what the rotten tomatoes is.

Zachary Lee (22:56.051)
Yeah.

Eli Price (23:17.186)
Ron Tomatoes 44 % Ron Tomatoes 50 % audience score. So yeah, not very well liked, but I liked it and I'm picking it for this draft.

Zachary Lee (23:21.107)
Yeah.

Zachary Lee (23:28.883)
Yeah.

Yes, no, that's great. I'm happy that you're going for it. And you love it. I dang okay, you're making me consider and think is you got those on there. Two more picks. I know all man. I'm looking at the list here. Okay, I think I know where I'm gonna go. I guess I know right. Well, it's funny. Good, good use of a

Eli Price (23:43.17)
Two more picks, where you gonna go?

Eli Price (23:54.722)
Gotta swing big.

Zachary Lee (24:00.627)
Analogy there because I think the one I'm thinking about Okay, yeah 2008 well Actually, wait, you'll remind me that we wanted this the directors sort of have to be well known. Is that right? That's kind of what we we want to or if the titles well, I don't know that's gonna

Eli Price (24:16.77)
Um...

If the title is well known and it's not the director's first movie, like you can make an argument if you want, like go for it.

Zachary Lee (24:25.235)
Okay. Okay. Well, I'll name it and then I'm happy to discuss it if you think of it. Because I have other options too, if needed. But I was thinking of going with the 2008 Hong Kong martial arts film directed by Wilson Yip, It Man, starring Donnie Yen. And so, yeah. And so, oh, it is, yeah. That's what I was thinking. Yeah. So it's like, that checks it.

Eli Price (24:31.97)
Okay.

Go for it.

Eli Price (24:44.962)
Okay. Ip Man is a well -known movie.

So yeah, I've seen, I mean, I've seen, it's been a long time since I've seen it, but I've seen it man too. Yeah, I think that's fine. I think that counts. I didn't realize that it was a flop, but yeah.

Zachary Lee (24:58.099)
Okay.

Zachary Lee (25:01.683)
That's great. That's fine. Okay, cool. Yeah, I was just like, yeah, well, that's, that's what's interesting is like, it got a 59 on the Metacritic. I think like it got, you know, decent, you know, decent, I think, yeah, I did fairly well at the US box office. So in that sense, it wasn't like that. But I feel like, yeah, the reviews, you know, it was like, I don't know, it was just interesting to think about.

how people might have received it back then and what it was. I guess 59's sort of at the cusp right there of like how it might've been received. But yeah, I think just like when I think of how, I mean Donnie Yen had been established for a while, but just the way it kind of propelled him on the, at least, you know, it was one of those like US action films that really kind of, or.

Eli Price (25:32.354)
Yeah.

Eli Price (25:45.026)
Yeah.

Zachary Lee (25:50.451)
Hong Kong action movies that took off here in the US and one that I kind of, yeah, the one I think about action and the way he kind of popularized Wing Chun. I'm like, this one was really, I really enjoyed this one. So this one was a standout. So yeah, I know I was living through your letterbox. I'm like, I think Eli's seen this one. So I think it should count. We'll see, but yeah, on the list.

Eli Price (26:01.474)
Mm -hmm.

Eli Price (26:07.106)
Yeah.

Eli Price (26:14.562)
Yeah, yeah, it wasn't on my radar for this draft. But yeah, I mean, it's definitely a pretty well, like, well -seen movie. And like, I guess it like probably is more of an example of like an actor flop as far as like American movies goes. Because Donnie Yen, Donnie Yen is probably like the name over the director, Wilson Yip. But, but yeah, we'll we can like, we'll fit it in. We'll allow it.

Zachary Lee (26:32.467)
Sure, yeah.

Zachary Lee (26:38.867)
Yeah.

Zachary Lee (26:42.931)
Okay, yeah.

Eli Price (26:44.706)
Okay, cool. I like that pick. And I really like have several directions I can go with my last pick and I am not sure. I'm very torn. I have a couple of movies that I like more and I have like two options that I like less but like might be fun picks for this draft in particular.

Zachary Lee (26:49.683)
Yeah.

Zachary Lee (26:56.499)
Great for yours. Yeah. Yeah.

Zachary Lee (27:13.619)
Mm -hmm. Yeah.

Eli Price (27:15.554)
Two of them I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna set aside the two that I think are less Considered flops and go with two of the ones one of the two that is more considered a flop and This one I think is probably of the four movies I'm looking at this one is definitely like the biggest like

I guess like this one is definitely considered a flop. And I'll go with that one because I think that maybe it makes the draft more fun. I'm going to go with the 1996 film by Tim Burton, Mars Attacks. Have you seen this movie?

Zachary Lee (28:01.011)
Okay, there we go. No, I haven't. But it's been the iconic creatures and certain scenes. Yeah, I'm like, yeah, that's right. That's so funny.

Eli Price (28:11.234)
Yeah, it is an absolutely like bonkers wild movie. It's like, it's like, uh, so it's kind of in the same, what's funny is it's kind of in the same, like wild and bonkers outrageous style that 1941 was trying to go for. But I think actually like, is pretty funny and self -aware. Um, like it's totally aware that it's like,

Zachary Lee (28:29.107)
Mm -hmm.

Yeah.

Eli Price (28:41.154)
It's like a B comedy movie, you know? But like with a stacked cast and like really like just like bonkers weird I like set pieces and plotting and and it's even like honestly like there's there's a couple of sequences where they're in this like war room like deciding on what they're gonna do with Jack Nicholson as the president like

presiding over like a council that kind of almost even feels like it's like parodying or homage to Dr. Strangelove. So there's even maybe that parallel to 1941. But yeah, I really had a good time with this movie. I think I gave it like a three and a half stars, which, you know, I don't think it's a phenomenal movie, but like three and a half stars for me is like a like, like a

Zachary Lee (29:20.243)
Yeah.

Alright.

Eli Price (29:40.226)
That means I like the movie a decent amount. So yeah, I'm going to go with Tim Burton's Mars Attacks and I'll get to mention my other ones in audible mentions.

Zachary Lee (29:52.883)
Yeah, that's no that's that one's great. That's another big blind spot for me. So I'm just like, oh man, I want to make sure I get to see it. Yeah. Yeah, I think just even seeing the cast, I was like, okay, I see you, Jack Nicholson, like you said, like I see you with all these people. So yeah. Oh, okay. This is I know it's like what you were saying. There's like two.

Eli Price (30:00.066)
It's really fun. It's really stupid, but it's really fun.

Eli Price (30:16.066)
your last pick.

Zachary Lee (30:20.659)
do have some four here, but I'm like, there's like two that I really could go with. It's like, what do I want? When I look at what I have assembled here, we should, exactly, what's like the one, and I'm like, we're getting a couple representation and other.

Eli Price (30:34.21)
What rounds out your team?

Zachary Lee (30:41.523)
I'll go with this one. And I did sort of mention it at the start, but I feel like it applies and maybe it fits on brand for the film. But we're going with another more recent pick. This is Damien Chazelle's 2022 film Babylon. So it, yeah, it was on. He's definitely.

Eli Price (30:56.706)
Okay, cool. I know you just won one of my friend's vote. Like he's definitely voting for you now. Yeah.

Zachary Lee (31:05.139)
It's somewhat strategy, but somewhat like I'll say it. I don't I think this is still one of my top 10 of 2022. RRR kind of when I saw that one really shook up the rankings, so it might have been kicked off, you know, once I saw RRR. But Babylon, man, like I it's funny because polarizing is like the defining word. I feel like when I see this movie, it's like.

Eli Price (31:18.914)
Yeah.

Eli Price (31:29.09)
Yeah.

Zachary Lee (31:31.731)
Not only, I mean commercially it didn't do well at all. So like that part settled. Metacritic, it's 61, so it's just one point above the, you know, on the cusp. But yeah, I think just, it's just so fascinating that like, I think I walked out of it very enraptured and in love. And it was one of those first jarring experiences when I'm talking with people and they're like, I get every range of emotion of like, that was awful and.

Eli Price (31:35.49)
Mm -hmm.

Eli Price (31:39.074)
Yeah, on the cusp, yeah.

Eli Price (31:55.362)
Hmm.

Zachary Lee (31:59.411)
I can't believe I wasted three hours, which is to be fair, a lot of time, three hours of my life on that. And then also people who are just like, it's beautiful and amazing. So I think it just fit, it's funny. Like I think in the last week's episode, you know, before we were talking, Eli, about 1941, I think there was, I had made a joke like, oh, this is Spielberg's, like Babylon. Mainly like the reference of like the spectacle and how busy it is. But I just feel like,

Eli Price (32:05.09)
Yeah.

Eli Price (32:24.034)
Yeah.

Uh -huh.

Zachary Lee (32:28.403)
In similar ways, I feel like Chazelle is kind of looking and talking a lot about exploitation of Hollywood and making, in a more serious way. Like I know Spielberg's film was sort of touching on that, but I think here's like, you can make your dreams come true, but like at what cost? And I just thought it was a very compelling character study. And also, you know, very bombastic crass, has a lot of characters. So it's like, I'm seeing some elements, but I just feel like it.

Eli Price (32:37.538)
Right.

Eli Price (32:45.442)
Yeah.

Zachary Lee (32:56.659)
It handles it pretty well and has interesting things to say. So I don't know if you had a chance or desire to catch up with this one at all when it dropped back in 2022. You know, yeah.

Eli Price (32:59.01)
Yeah.

Eli Price (33:05.026)
Yeah, I haven't seen it yet. Um, I haven't seen it yet. It's like one of my few blinds as far as like big movies that like got a lot of buzz. It's like one of the, one of my bigger ones that I haven't seen from that year. Um, yeah, I don't know. Maybe I'll have to make some room for it sometime. Um, but yeah, it's, it's definitely, I have one friend that it was his favorite movie of, of that year.

Zachary Lee (33:33.331)
Oh

Eli Price (33:34.818)
So, and then he also loves John Carpenter and the thing. Uh, and so you definitely won his vote. Shout out to Hayden. Hayden's actually, he's been on a guest on the show before. Um, but yeah. Um, yeah. Um, well, cool. Yeah. So before I read out our, oh, and I was going to say you, you didn't mention, but Babylon 57 % rotten on.

Zachary Lee (33:38.867)
Oh, okay.

One hit. Hayden. Oh, cool. OK. You and me, man. Hayden, we got it. It's us again. But yeah.

Zachary Lee (34:04.435)
Yep.

Eli Price (34:04.45)
on the thermometer. 52 % audience score too. Audience score, rotten audience score is kind of hard to get on rotten tomatoes. Audiences are pretty gracious. But yeah, before I read out the final picks list, do you have some honorable mentions that you want to give shout outs to?

Zachary Lee (34:10.867)
Yeah.

Zachary Lee (34:19.603)
Yeah.

Zachary Lee (34:31.987)
Ooh, yeah, I think the other one that, yeah. Oh, totally, I think I'll have just two off the bat, namely, because it fit. But you go, I really choose to hear the list, mainly just selfishly, because I want to hear about all the ones that I missed, or like I have more films I can watch. But yeah, I think.

Eli Price (34:34.594)
I have quite a few.

Eli Price (34:41.41)
Okay.

Eli Price (34:51.138)
Okay.

Yeah, yeah. So probably the top of my list of, I already mentioned the fountain. Um, another one that would be top considered that I just don't think very many people have seen. Uh, so I didn't pick it is, uh, Terrence Malick's to the wonder. Um, I just, Malick is one of my favorite directors ever. And so, um, to the, he had like a stretch starting with to the wonder of like,

Zachary Lee (34:58.995)
Mm -hmm.

Zachary Lee (35:09.587)
Ah, yeah.

Eli Price (35:21.954)
Movies that like critically just didn't do very well. But I think To the Wonder is really good. Ben Affleck and Rachel McAdams are the stars. Yeah, you have a few other recognizable names too, but really good movie. You know, I always tell people Malik is like, he's a poetic director instead of a prose director. And so you kind of like can't watch it for a narrative.

You have to watch it for like the visual and kind of poetry of it all. Um, and that's true for To the Wonder as well. Um, another one that like, I, I kind of refused to see it as a flop, even though it, it fits the criteria for, um, Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic is Nacho Libre. I love, I love Nacho Libre.

Zachary Lee (36:17.075)
Oh, I love that you just mentioned this movie right now. Yes. Man. As a flo - Right. That's so funny.

Eli Price (36:20.386)
Love nacho libre, but I refuse to see it as a flop it it was not a commercial flop But uh But yeah critically definitely a flop Which I don't get like what do you what do you hate about this movie unless like I? Guess the only like thing I can think of is like it's Jack Black pretending to be a Mexican guy but um, I don't know I I have

Zachary Lee (36:33.779)
I don't un -

Zachary Lee (36:44.211)
Right. That's hilarious. What you just mentioned.

Eli Price (36:49.538)
I have seen Nacho Libre many times and love it every time. So, um, uh, I actually do like, uh, Zack Snyder's Man of Steel. I think it's a good movie, but critically not very well received at all. Um, uh, the, the abyss by James Cameron, um, is another one that I actually caught up with, uh, in the past couple of weeks that I actually really enjoyed.

Zachary Lee (37:00.915)
Yeah! Oh man, yeah.

Zachary Lee (37:06.835)
Man.

Zachary Lee (37:12.275)
Yep, yep.

Zachary Lee (37:18.067)
Yep.

Eli Price (37:19.426)
I thought it was really good.

The other, oh, so the four that I was considering at the end, the other three were Nacho Libre, The Abyss, and then the other one that I haven't mentioned yet is a very popular directing brother duo, the Coen Brothers, the Hudsucker Proxy. That was a fun, that is a very fun dark comedy. I get why Like It didn't do well critically, but I -

Zachary Lee (37:41.587)
Ah, okay, there we go.

Eli Price (37:53.09)
I thought it was really good and really fun. Yeah. Jim Jarmusch is a director that I don't think is that well known, but I really love his movies and the Dead Don't Die like did terrible critically, but I really enjoyed it. I don't know. I thought it was fun.

Zachary Lee (38:00.627)
Yeah.

Zachary Lee (38:07.635)
Yeah, I've been meaning to watch that one. Okay, yeah, that little one looked really fun. The cast seems really fun.

Eli Price (38:15.618)
Yeah.

Yeah, it's got a great cast. Everybody's like, everybody's like killing the tone, the like tongue in cheek sarcastic tone. And like, I think people hated it because it was like really, really like incredibly on the nose with its satire. Um, but I, I kind of, it felt to me like it was incredibly on the nose on purpose. I don't know. It worked for me. I thought it was funny. And.

Zachary Lee (38:34.771)
Yeah.

Zachary Lee (38:41.619)
Yeah.

Eli Price (38:46.85)
Okay. I'll, I'll name just, I'll name maybe three more. One of them, uh, is Martin Scorsese's New York, New York. Um, that one didn't do great critically. Didn't make much money. Um, I thought, I think it's pretty good. And then you, you obviously get the, uh, song later sung by Frank Sinatra out of it, New York, New York. Uh, so that's a plus.

Um, a more recent one, uh, I actually kind of like Tycho, why tedious Thor love and thunder. Um, I, a lot of people hated it. Uh, I thought it was pretty fun. It to me, here's what, here's why I liked it. There's been so many like self serious MCU movies recently that also want to try to still be funny at the same time.

Zachary Lee (39:23.603)
Oh, okay, there we go.

Zachary Lee (39:28.947)
Yeah.

Eli Price (39:44.642)
And it's like, you can't have your cake and eat it too. And Taika Waititi comes along and he's like, this movie does not take itself seriously one bit. And it's just like, we're going to be wacky and weird. And I'm like, yes, finally somebody that's making a choice and going all out for it in a MCU movie. Um, and then Christian Bell's gore, the God killer is just like, what an incredible villain performance. Um,

Zachary Lee (39:58.483)
Exactly.

Zachary Lee (40:03.219)
Exactly.

Zachary Lee (40:13.555)
Totally.

Eli Price (40:14.114)
So I don't know. I enjoyed the word love and thunder. And then the last one I'll mention just because it's a Spielberg one, another Spielberg flop example is a King of Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. People hate that movie. I really like it. I think it's a fun movie. The ending doesn't bother me as much as it does a lot of people. But yeah, that's some of my shout outs.

Zachary Lee (40:27.411)
Mm. Yeah.

Zachary Lee (40:37.203)
Yeah.

Zachary Lee (40:42.099)
Yeah, no, I'm happy, no, those are all great. A lot I haven't seen and a couple that I'm totally in agreement. I think Crystal Skull is especially one and a couple others, so yeah. I...

Eli Price (40:52.45)
Yeah.

Yeah. So you had a couple that you wanted to shout out.

Zachary Lee (40:58.035)
Yeah, I think for me, what is it? There's, I think one was, I guess to tie it back to Spielberg. I think he still produced this one. I will, I can't defend everything in this, but I can't deny the, once again, common theme of fun I had. It was the esteemed, I think it was 2011, Transformers Dark of the Moon. So this is the third installment.

Eli Price (41:20.578)
Oh yeah. There's a there's there's kind of resurgence of people that that enjoy that movie, I think.

Zachary Lee (41:27.763)
Yeah, I mean, of at least the Michael Bay directed ones, it's the best. I mean, there's some things that I can't forgive, like the way he chooses to open up the film after the opening sequence with just like the super extended, long male gazey take of, you know, woman's backside. So there's just some things I'm like that if I can just like cut that part out. But it's like the other it turns like.

Eli Price (41:44.962)
Mm.

Zachary Lee (41:52.915)
the spectacle, the lore, it's just like, I just remember, and it features Chicago and being a Chicagoan, just like the way that movie's featured in there, it really speaks to me, and so I really love that. And then I think that out of 42, so only two points better than Jupiter Ascending, to give you guys context about how much people dislike the Transformers franchise. But secondly, we talked about Spielberg, you were mentioning. I...

Eli Price (41:59.842)
Mmm.

Zachary Lee (42:21.491)
was a fan of the lost world drastic park too you know like i yeah

Eli Price (42:25.698)
Okay yeah, it's been too long since I've seen that.

Zachary Lee (42:30.035)
Yeah, it... For sure, no. It's like, I think... What was it? I just really enjoy... I think like that scene of taking the dinosaurs and placing them in the middle of... Is it Los Angeles? Or like somewhere in California? I don't know. I'm just like... That was fun. It was fresh, you know? It's like not just keeping them on the island. I remember... Actually, I remember...

Eli Price (42:30.53)
for me to have like a real opinion.

Eli Price (42:50.402)
Yeah.

Zachary Lee (42:58.259)
That being the first movie that really scared me. I think the first Jurassic Park was frightening, but the second one, there's that scene where the velociraptors are in the grasses and they just start picking off the people. And the T -Rex, it rips that one guy, two of them rip this guy in half. It gets very gruesome. And I think just, I don't know, I was like, it was just darker and there was more dinosaurs. So I was like, what's there to dislike?

Eli Price (43:11.97)
Yeah.

Eli Price (43:20.61)
Mm -hmm.

Zachary Lee (43:27.347)
and not and enjoy but that got a that got a 59 so it's a it's again another on Metacritic so it's another like just missed the the cut and you know who's to say if there's been a better Jurassic Park movie since the first one you know it's hard to hard to make a case for that in some ways but I still like the second one for what it was.

Eli Price (43:34.402)
Yeah.

Eli Price (43:44.642)
Yeah.

Yeah, those were good. Good shout outs for sure. I did want to point out that between our two drafts, your lowest and my lowest, I think on Metascore are both Wachowski movies. Cause I just double checked speed racer actually beat Jupiter ascending. It has a 37 red on Metascore. I don't know. I really loved it.

Zachary Lee (44:09.971)
No, how could it be that low? That's insane. Man, we gotta get some revisionist history going on here, Eli, you and me on social media. Yeah, exactly. We've always been, we've always loved it, you know?

Eli Price (44:17.506)
I thought it was great.

Yeah, it starts here. It starts here with the director's flops draft. All right. Well, I'm going to read back our lists before we close things out. I ended up with the life aquatic with Steve's the Sue. Actually Zisu. I've always mispronounced that it's hard to break a habit, but in the movie they always say Zisu. So, uh,

Yeah. The life aquatic with Steve Z. Sue Noah by Darren Aronofsky, a speed racer, speed racer by the Wachowskis, the village by M night Shyamalan and Mars attacks by Tim Burton. Um, yeah, we are. And then Zachary Zachary's picks. Uh, you have the thing by John Carpenter, a Jupiter sending by the Wachowskis.

Mission Impossible 2 by John Woo, Ip Man by, was it Wilson Yip? Is that right? Yeah. And then Babylon by Damien Chazelle. The poll will be up this upcoming Monday. So make sure you tune in to all the social media accounts to see the poll and cast your vote.

Zachary Lee (45:28.339)
That's right.

Eli Price (45:49.506)
Uh, this is, this was a really fun one. This was one of the, the more fun ones to kind of prepare for. And, uh, and the end results I think is really fun too. Um, maybe this will get some people talking about their favorite flops. So, um, yeah, if you have a, if you have a flop, a director flop, uh, that maybe meets the criteria and I mentioned that you want to shout out, um, you can always, uh,

Zachary Lee (45:56.371)
Yeah.

Zachary Lee (46:01.715)
Yeah.

Zachary Lee (46:05.715)
Yeah.

Eli Price (46:18.786)
leave a voicemail on the website, establishingshotpod .com or just shoot me an email at establishingshotpod .gmail .com. Um, I'm always happy to feature any, any feedback or comments on the show. So, um, yeah, if, if you have one, a pick that didn't get a shout out on the episode, uh, feel free to let me know. Um, but yeah, that's, that's all I have. We'll see who, who had the best team of flops.

Zachary Lee (46:48.115)
Yeah, exactly. We'll see. I'm excited to see it drop.

Eli Price (46:48.45)
See what the people think.

Eli Price (46:54.722)
Yeah. All right. Well, Zachary, I think that is going to do it. Remind people again where they can find you and see what you're up to, what you're writing, who you're interviewing, all that sort of stuff.

Zachary Lee (47:11.667)
Yeah, so thanks again for this opportunity. You can find me on X or Twitter at Zacharoni22, so Zachary spelled with Z -A -C -H. And then on Letterboxd, you can find me on Zlee, username Zlee729. So usually you'll get a mix of me both on X and also Instagram and also sometimes, but mainly X and.

letter box posting either movies I've seen or reviews that I have. So I have a couple more pieces in the works that I'm excited to share with people. So yeah.

Eli Price (47:41.73)
Oh yeah. Yeah.

Eli Price (47:47.81)
Sweet. Yeah. Yeah. I always like to see what Zachary says about a movie on letterbox. Check out his review. But yeah, I'll make sure to, to link those in the episode notes so that you can just go click on those. But that is all we have for this week. Next week, we will be moving into the eighties and talking about Steven Spielberg's Raiders of the Lost Ark. But until then I've been Eli Price for Zachary Lee.

You've been listening to The Establishing Shot. See you next time.