Fantastic Mr. Fox (w/ Haydn Fabre)

Eli Price (00:40.282)
Hello and welcome to the establishing shot a podcast where we do deep dives into directors and their filmographies. We are on episode seven of the podcast. Episode seven. Yeah. And on the sixth movie in Wes Anderson's filmography. So, yeah, over halfway there at the halfway point, I think last week.

if I'm not mistaken. And yeah, we're over the Wes Anderson Hill, if you will. So yeah, I've got back with me for his second guest appearance on the show, Hayden Fobb. Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (01:23.538)
I'm ready to talk to some foxes and some adult middle-aged crises and some acceptance problems and let's dive into this little stop motion wonderful masterpiece that he's given us.

Eli Price (01:31.577)
Yes.

Eli Price (01:39.578)
Absolutely. Yes, we will do that. I don't have to make Hayden give his life story to you guys since hopefully you've heard it before back on the Rushmore episode. But yeah, it's it's exciting. We're I'm ready. I'm ready for for some Fox talk Hayden Hayden. We were just talking before the show Hayden feels like he has the the Kylie eyes.

because he's been flying all over the place, Europe and...

Haydn Fabre (02:13.974)
Yes, I went to Chicago for a conference and then Atlanta for a conference and then Europe for a week on vacation and then Atlanta again to speak at a conference. So I am, I'm on a lot of sleep, which is what's weird about it, is like last night I got 10 hours of sleep, but I still am just highly eyed out. I've got the swirls and if you catch me staring in silence, just throw me a blueberry.

Eli Price (02:35.439)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:41.986)
Yeah, hopefully not a laced blueberry though. Yeah, you don't need that. Maybe a blueberry laced with melatonin to go to sleep later, but yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:44.746)
Yes. No lace blubr.

Haydn Fabre (02:55.17)
I feel like a glass of a glass of that, you know Apple cider the liquid gold as the wreck will just hit the spot wake me up. Just There's got to be some caffeine in that stuff

Eli Price (03:02.367)
Oh yeah.

Eli Price (03:08.2)
Yeah, for sure. Well, you might even you might end up with some of the mud that they they gave him to make him think he was drinking it. And you would just think you're so tired, you would just think it was the real stuff. It was sad.

Haydn Fabre (03:15.501)
Dude, that was so sad.

That was so sad. Like he was just... We can talk about this later, but I wonder if he ever even tasted it. Truly, did he? Or was he drinking it whenever they wanted? He was drinking it. That's right. Oh.

Eli Price (03:28.194)
Yeah, he was he was literally drinking it when they when they ran into him. That's that's what's funny about it is like he's like, I just wanted a taste of that cider. And I'm like, like, come on, Willem Rat, like you, you were drinking it.

Haydn Fabre (03:39.907)
Going down to room 44. Yeah.

Eli Price (03:44.738)
Uh, I don't know. Maybe he was just so addicted. Like he just needed another.

Haydn Fabre (03:45.387)
Right, man.

Haydn Fabre (03:50.006)
That's what happens when you're a psychotic rat. You just eat the liquid gold.

Eli Price (03:52.086)
Yeah Yeah, you know Who knows? but uh, yeah, so we're um like I said, we're on the sixth film in wes anderson's filmography Fantastic, mr. Fox And uh, yeah, I guess we'll jump right in uh Jump right in. Um bro burrow down into Uh what's going on in this movie? Um

Yeah, little one of my favorite things and like the extra features on the criterion disc is like it shows you like the six armed Mr. Fox. They had they made like a little six armed Mr. Fox that his arms like rotated to get that like digging effect. Oh, yeah, it's great. But yeah, let's let's let's talk about it. Have you?

Haydn Fabre (04:41.73)
That's awesome.

Eli Price (04:51.878)
Have you ever read any Roald Dahl books?

Haydn Fabre (04:54.482)
I have not actually. Very unfamiliar with Roald Dahl.

Eli Price (04:56.429)
Okay.

Yeah, so I to be honest, I've only read one and I've read Fantastic Mr. Fox. So, yeah, I love the movie and my wife bought it, bought me the book. I don't remember what it was for Father's Day, Christmas, something like that. You know, so yeah, I read it. It's actually like, even if you're like a slow reader, I'm not that fast of a reader. I'm pretty slow.

Haydn Fabre (05:10.455)
Did you?

Eli Price (05:27.65)
Um, admittedly, but, uh, but yeah, I read it in like probably just like an hour or two. It's it's pretty short. Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (05:34.946)
I should really get it. I read rather quickly, so I should just give it like a couple of hours and just live straight through it.

Eli Price (05:39.95)
Yeah. Yeah, just like swing swing by Barnes and Noble or the library or whatever. Pick it up. Read it. Go home, you know.

Haydn Fabre (05:50.094)
Because it's like, it's truly a kid's book, right? Like it's, yeah.

Eli Price (05:52.822)
Oh yeah, for sure. It's a chap like it's a chapter book, but um, but a really low level chapter book.

Haydn Fabre (05:59.594)
Yeah, like Zeke, no, but in two years, yes.

Eli Price (06:04.042)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, like my son is four and like he I mean We're working on like reading some but yeah, he can't read yet. But yeah, he um I mean, it's a book we we could read to him now like he he'll sit down and listen or you know Play while he listens to you read a book um, but

Haydn Fabre (06:22.674)
You really need to get in. I plan to have my son reading by six months.

Eli Price (06:27.042)
Yeah, yeah, so, you know, well, good luck with that. Yeah, but but but like six years old. Yeah, six, seven. Probably. Yeah. Yeah, like he could probably watch this movie like soon, you know. It's not there's not anything. Yeah. I mean, we'll talk about like the kid movie nature of it and stuff. But but yeah, I was just wondering if you had read anything. I actually like.

Haydn Fabre (06:34.454)
We know.

Haydn Fabre (06:43.328)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (06:56.11)
didn't think the book was like that fantastic, if you will. I didn't grow up like reading Roald Dahl and it's, it's a bit different. Like.

As an adult, I guess trying to go back. Some children's books, I can go back and read, and they're really good. But yeah, not that one for me. I'm not really sure why, because I absolutely love this movie. But also, I guess the medium of movies, like kids' movies, speak to me more than kids' books do as an adult. And so it's a little bit of a surprise.

It might just be the medium.

Haydn Fabre (07:38.418)
Yeah, I think that's what it is. You have to write things in a certain way for their brains to comprehend it, but when you put it on a screen and speak it to them, they're able to catch things bigger. So I'm sure there's just creativity that can be expressed in a film.

Eli Price (07:49.646)
Yeah, maybe so. Yeah. Yeah, but also you can I feel like it's easier to like layer a film with and I really like him jumping way ahead of my notes. But yeah, I do feel like this is like a pretty layered film, like which a decent amount like Pixar has always been really good at that. About that is like making kids movies that like are layered with adult problems to that.

Kids won't really understand and they can enjoy on a kid level but adults can enjoy it on an adult level So yeah But yeah, yeah, so I'm not like super familiar with doll. But yeah Wes Wes Anderson was and is I guess a big role doll fan He talked about how it was his favorite author him and his brothers like loved role doll books and they would

You know, bar them from each other and like steal them from each other. And, uh, and yeah, so, you know, obviously he, mr. Fox was his, one of his, he, he named two favorites that I read in an interview. Um, and mr. Fox was one of them. I don't remember the.

Haydn Fabre (09:05.623)
the wonderful life of Henry Sugar. He's reportedly in the pool with me in that one.

Eli Price (09:07.734)
No, it wasn't actually, unless the It might have been um, because I think that book is like an anthology If i'm not mistaken, and so it might be one of the stories in there It was like danny champion of the world or something like that Which I don't know if it's standalone or part of that Henry sugar book or whatever, but But yeah, those were his favorites. And so, um, you know, mr fox I guess when he was thinking about

Haydn Fabre (09:16.578)
Yeah. That's what I'm saying.

Eli Price (09:37.386)
what kind of, you know, animated kids movie he might make. Mr. Fox was like top of the list for him, I guess. It wasn't like he happened upon it. It was like something that had been in the back of his mind. You know, he he said in an interview he had been thinking about doing something with it for like 10 years, which is kind of a trend. You know, I feel like every week I'm talking about how he had been thinking about this movie, like while he was still making.

The past movie or the one before like he he has all these ideas kind of rolling around on the back of his head which is probably pretty normal for a filmmaker I would guess

Haydn Fabre (10:15.906)
Yeah, I feel like they have a different mind space where they're constantly looking at stories and how they've been portrayed.

Eli Price (10:18.39)
Yeah. Yeah, for sure. But yeah, and I do think I do think like like West thinks that doll has like a unique and pretty like he has a knack for. The child's perspective, like what will make what makes a child scared, what makes a child.

Fascinated what makes a child laugh what sorts of things are children interested in hearing about? You know all that sorts of stuff like you get the feeling that like doll Just like had that in his mind like it's the way he thought because I mean you think about stories like like Matilda Like You know Charlie and the Chocolate Factory like which are some of his like

bigger books. Like those are just like, hey, like, obviously what a child would think about, you know, what would interest a child.

Haydn Fabre (11:27.562)
Yeah, and the ability to write stories without feeling a need for a larger scale of consequence. To just write a fun story about a fox stealing chickens or what we call chocolate factory where crazy things happen.

Eli Price (11:34.044)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (11:46.082)
Yeah, I mean, the the Fantastic Mr. Fox book is literally like the bare bones of if you've seen the movie but haven't read the book, the book is like the bare bones of the middle section of the movie.

Haydn Fabre (11:59.082)
Yeah, the book is mainly just the robbing of our dispensable being, right?

Eli Price (12:03.942)
Yeah, sort of like he the the Fox Mr. Fox like wants to do that and he starts doing it and then they start digging him out But they don't ever get to him is basically like the story and like Yeah

Haydn Fabre (12:20.368)
Yeah, like, yeah, they have a house. Ash and Christopherson don't even like have names, I don't think in the book.

Eli Price (12:26.454)
Yeah, well, Kirstofferson, there's there's not any kid characters and there's actually like a litter of foxes in the book so, yeah, um the mother is more like kind of like traditional house mother Kind of figure in the book. She doesn't have like a whole lot of Agency, which there's not like but like I said, it's pretty bare bones Like there's not really much opportunity to give her any like but uh

Haydn Fabre (12:33.24)
Mm.

Haydn Fabre (12:41.55)
She doesn't really have it.

Eli Price (12:57.014)
I will say this boggest buns and bean are like way grosser in the in the book like they're they're like Like they're they're like pretty especially Being oh now I'm mixing them up bean is the cider guy right boggest buns bean Yes So yeah, you know he

Haydn Fabre (13:02.181)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (13:14.462)
Um, I believe so. Yes. Yes. Cause that's the one that. Yes.

Eli Price (13:24.394)
Is kind of the mastermind in the movie and the other guys are kind of like bumbling minions almost uh in the book, they're all just kind of like Gross and greedy and Disgusting they're like Not super like like being in the movie is pretty menacing but in the book they're all just kind of like You don't like any of them, but there's not like

Haydn Fabre (13:31.724)
Yeah.

Eli Price (13:54.222)
And they're like threatening, but not, I don't think they're threatening to the level that Bean is in the movie. Like he definitely like amplified Bean for sure. But.

Haydn Fabre (14:06.978)
Yeah, oh yeah. Wes, in the commentary, he talks a lot about how he formed Bean's character, and he almost formed it as, the way he says it is, he took the image of Roald Dahl himself and tried to put him in an antagonistic role as just a Bean himself. So like the way he dresses, the way he speaks, the cigarette smoking, those were all apparently staples of Roald Dahl.

Eli Price (14:24.274)
Hmm. Yeah.

Eli Price (14:32.598)
Interesting yeah, yeah, and that's that's interesting too because You you also hear like the opposite of that for mr. Fox like he he kind of tried to think of mr. Fox as like as doll also So it's interesting because I didn't listen to the commentary on the criterion disc. I know you did So yeah, I didn't I didn't know that he kind of did that. It's kind of like he did the

Haydn Fabre (14:47.436)
Yeah.

Eli Price (15:02.69)
I don't know the good side the good and the dark side of doll in those two characters Yeah, yeah The other the other I think one of the main Differences in the book too is just You know he Well at one point they're talking about like the tail getting shot off like that's in the book his tail gets shot off but in the movie it

Haydn Fabre (15:03.922)
He took things. The duality. Yeah.

Eli Price (15:31.266)
becomes a necktie, which doesn't happen in the book. It's like this like symbol of like, I'm like, I'm after you, like, I'm going to dominate you. I'm wearing your tail as a necktie kind of thing. It's like this added thing.

Haydn Fabre (15:45.039)
Yeah, that's one of the hardest things that you can do, man. Take a man's tail and then wear it as a necktie. Like, that's, that's something, that's some war words right there.

Eli Price (15:50.98)
Yeah.

It's a bold move.

Eli Price (15:57.622)
Oh yeah, for sure. And it was. But yeah, I think Wes even said in that interview, he said, or like the interviewer said, or Wes said, one of them said, we, doll shot his tail off and we made it into a necktie. And Wes said that, he said that's basically like a good summary of how we adapted the book. Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (16:00.971)
Yeah.

Eli Price (16:27.366)
So I thought that was funny. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, Wes just kind of says as to why he chose this, it's kind of like a typical Wes answer. It's like, well, I liked it. I liked the animals. I liked the book. I've always loved the book. The animals are awesome. And the best part is he just loves the digging.

Like that's one of the main reasons he made the movie is because he liked the digging and he wanted to make the digging happen on screen. I mean, isn't that awesome?

Haydn Fabre (17:06.783)
Yeah, what a way to pursue a film being made. I like it and I thought digging is cool. That's all you need. He was like, I can't get, you know, Adrian Brody in real life to dig a hole, so we're just going to use puppets and have the puppets dig in a perfectly straight line that doesn't make any sense.

Eli Price (17:13.07)
Yeah, digging is cool, let's put it on in a movie. Yeah, and that's like.

Eli Price (17:24.899)
Right. Right.

Yeah, and we'll get George Clooney to to voice the the main digger, you know Because why not? Yeah, maybe you wanted George Clooney to be like a live-action. Mr. Fox And dig but Clooney was like i'll do it if it's animated because i'm not gonna dig so he was like

Haydn Fabre (17:33.834)
Yeah, just, it's 14.

Haydn Fabre (17:47.434)
Yeah, I'm not getting on my hands and knees.

Eli Price (17:52.878)
Not really, but Yeah, yeah, he liked the digging and so he made the movie Yeah, and you know it's it's animated stop-motion animation his first Endeavor into that world which You know when this was coming out there was kind of like a This kind of like self-assured

Thing that was going on and like in the critics world of like of course Wes is doing an animation like we all knew he eventually would do animation and I guess like there's a degree to where Wes sort of owns it like that gets brought up an interview and Wes sort of owns it and he's kind of like well, you know, I was hearing that too and Basically he he kind of says Yeah, it's because you know, I have this reputation rep

reputation for being very controlling and You know and he also kind of was saying it's It's sort of probably because my characters are very much caricatured like they have exaggerated qualities kind of like cartoons do kind of like animated movies do and So he was like, yeah, it's it's a valid thing. He kind of like

owns it and says, yeah, that's valid that people would say that, which I appreciated. He wasn't like, they didn't know.

Haydn Fabre (19:25.263)
Yeah, his films are most often compared to dollhouses. You know, like he's got a dollhouse effect and how he builds his sets and how he writes his dialogue even and places characters in a frame. So why not take your dollhouse style of cinematography and do it with dolls? That's what he does.

Eli Price (19:32.037)
Right, yeah.

Eli Price (19:48.546)
Yeah, do it with dolls and tunnels.

Haydn Fabre (19:52.094)
Yep, Dawes and Tunnels. What else does a man need in the 21st century?

Eli Price (19:56.25)
Not much. But yeah. Yeah, he he got to make this movie. He so it's interesting. He's coming off of. Darjeeling, which really wasn't that big of a movie, you know, after Royal Tenenbaums, he you know, he made Zisu, which kind of bombed, especially based on its budget. And then he he made Darjeeling, which wasn't.

terribly well received. It's when you look at it today, it doesn't look like it has like terrible ratings or whatever, but it wasn't well received really at the time from what I could tell. And then he gets, yeah, Mr. Fox, I think, was kind of like got him back on the on the uptick as far as like his reception goes. It was actually his it's actually his second largest budget behind Zisu.

Haydn Fabre (20:54.699)
Really?

Eli Price (20:55.426)
Yeah, he uh, I think it was like 40 million That he that he spent that well that was his budget for this movie Which you know, you never it's it's kind of unclear what all that entails like does that include the marketing or no or? you know, it's it's hard to put a finger on exactly what that is, but yeah, so Yeah, he and it didn't make a whole lot. It made 46 and a half. I think on box office worldwide which

Haydn Fabre (21:13.623)
Let's push the alarm.

Haydn Fabre (21:23.51)
Yeah, that's a flop in today's world.

Eli Price (21:26.022)
Yeah, but you know, it's better than Zisu, which had like a $50 million budget and only made like 20 something or 30 something. So at least he made money on this one.

Haydn Fabre (21:37.41)
That's so crazy how it works. It's so crazy how they do this. He says in his commentary, he proposes the idea of making a sequel that would show their lives in the sewers at the end of the film. But he says, I don't think there's any studio on the earth that would want to go for a sequel to a film that barely made profit.

Eli Price (21:42.456)
Yeah.

Eli Price (22:01.238)
Yeah, yeah for sure. And you know if he did release a sequel today Uh I don't know. I think it would do okay Because it this seems like a movie that got more

Eli Price (22:18.33)
better reception, I guess, later on. It didn't necessarily make a lot box office-wise, but I think it's really caught on in just the general public, as far as how well it's received. A lot of people have seen it now, I think. Now that it's maybe not they didn't see it in theaters, but they've watched it since. And especially with after this movie, he started getting an uptick in.

his reception in general with the public and with Moonrise Kingdom and especially with Grand Budapest, which was his huge movie that got a lot of attention. I think people started going back to stuff like Mr. Fox and you know, I think it's, I think it is more well received now than maybe it was then. So it might get a good sequel reception. I don't know. But I was wondering about that earlier. Just thinking like.

Haydn Fabre (23:13.154)
Yeah.

Eli Price (23:16.166)
Would Wes ever make a sequel to one of his movies? And it's interesting to hear that he said that he had ideas for one. Yeah. I don't either.

Haydn Fabre (23:25.526)
I don't think he ever should, personally. I think they just need to stay the way they are. I like to snip it into the world and then I like pulling out of it and jumping into another world with another one in this film.

Eli Price (23:30.863)
Yeah, I don't-

Eli Price (23:36.026)
Right. I feel the same way. I wouldn't want him to make a Mr. Fox sequel, but if one was coming out, I would be excited about it because it's West, you know.

Haydn Fabre (23:45.866)
It could be like, asking Mr. Fox, and then like, mediocre Mr. Fox. You could just...

Eli Price (23:50.254)
Yeah, maybe, maybe Fantastic Mr. Ash. Maybe Ash has grown up now. Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (23:55.342)
Ooh, there we go. Look at that, Ash and Kristofferson in 20 years, 20 Fox years.

Eli Price (24:00.258)
Yeah. Yeah, they're they're like, it could be like, I don't know, maybe like Ocean's Eleven, they could kind of maybe like, Ash is like the the Clooney now, and Ocean's Eleven. So now like he's he is kind of it kind of be meta in that way. You know, Ash would be the Clooney now grown up Clooney was his dad before.

Haydn Fabre (24:16.)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (24:29.058)
Yeah.

Eli Price (24:29.794)
And now they're getting together a band of stop motion animals to, you know, do the biggest job of their lives. Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (24:39.49)
There we go. Yeah. Recruiting. He recruits the, um, you know, he finally goes back and makes a men's with the beaver that bully put mud on his face.

Eli Price (24:47.186)
Mm-hmm Yeah, yeah, he has to he has to recruit him into the into the gang Yeah Yeah, I mean You know if this gets around to us somehow Passes around and you know Bring us on bring me and Hayden on well. We'll talk through this the script with you. You know You know we'd be happy to

Haydn Fabre (24:52.558)
Kevin Samurai style, recruits all. Yeah, I would watch it.

Haydn Fabre (25:04.502)
and manage to get listening people's.

Haydn Fabre (25:13.474)
I guess if you didn't see this 30 second clip, I just want you to know that Fantastic Mr. Fox is my favorite movie. And I want to work on Fantastic Mr. Ash. So give me a call. My number is listed in the... Yeah. I'd love it. Let's do it. Ash is 11.

Eli Price (25:26.773)
Ash is 11. That's what it would be, I think.

Eli Price (25:33.114)
There's like it's like your hey mom moment Yeah Yeah, so man, it's It's super interesting. You know Wes Wes really like dove into this as far as adapting it. He went to the dollhouse in English It's it's the doll like real doll

Haydn Fabre (25:35.871)
Yes. Hey Wes.

Eli Price (26:01.506)
not the dollhouse D-O-L-L the a HL house The gypsy house, yep, that's what it's called. I don't know why but that's what it's called Yeah, yeah roll dolls English and so

Haydn Fabre (26:02.486)
Not the dollhouse, the doll.

Haydn Fabre (26:07.134)
Yes, the gypsy house, right?

Haydn Fabre (26:15.638)
And it's in, it's somewhere in England, right? Western England.

Haydn Fabre (26:22.838)
whenever I was in Europe, his books were absolutely everywhere. So. Yeah.

Eli Price (26:26.766)
Yeah, I mean he people love him and it was really sweet his wife I don't know how to say her name actually Lissy It's like LICC why I? Was I assume it's like Lissy But litchi litchi, I don't know Litchi they're not Italian so I don't think it's the two C's make a CH

Haydn Fabre (26:42.742)
Yeah, I like.

Eli Price (26:54.598)
But anyways, it was really sweet. She was saying like, she actually invited what like Wes reached out to the doll foundation or whatever and her and talked to her and was talking about wanting to adapt the movie and wanted to see their, you know, property and where doll worked. And she invited him and he came to England, went to the gypsy house. She gave him a tour.

She took him to the little hut where doll work doll had this little like hut kind of in their field in their property and He it was this tiny little cozy place He had a desk with a special chair and a little tray that sat in a special chair And he had a special mug. It was very like West Kind of you could see why Wes is drawn to this guy because he's like got his precise set up

He would just sit out there and like write and work in that little hut and so Wes went she let him in the hut they had this like What do you call the people that like preserve stuff I don't know But basically like people that preserve like documents Special historical documents so they made him like wash his hands twice or whatever before he handled the stuff and

Haydn Fabre (28:19.502)
Wow.

Eli Price (28:20.878)
Yeah, he stayed overnight at the Gypsy house. They let him, they basically said like, hey, lock the door when you leave the doll's little hut. And he just stayed in there for like hours and hours and like poured over his manuscripts, which is really cool.

Haydn Fabre (28:32.647)
That's so nice. Let's see what we got.

Haydn Fabre (28:41.294)
Because yeah, didn't he take like the grocery store ending? Isn't that taken from the manuscripts? Like Rural Doll had an alternative ending for it. And kind of.

Eli Price (28:54.866)
I that sound that rings true It seems like I might have heard that but I'm not sure so I'm not gonna say yes for sure But that sounds that sounds right my memory is not working right now completely

Haydn Fabre (28:58.24)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (29:03.905)
Okay.

Haydn Fabre (29:11.102)
I understand, mine either. Shoulda wrote it down.

Eli Price (29:15.218)
should have. But yeah, he, he, um, yeah, he poured over the manuscripts and just, he stayed overnight, he walked around. She gave him a tour of the house. When he was there, he actually took, well, him or somebody that was with him. I'm not sure who exactly took the pictures. If it was him or someone in his crew. But they took pictures of like every single object in the Gypsy house. Chairs.

teapots, mugs.

Haydn Fabre (29:45.182)
Yeah, because there are a number of sets, right? Set pieces from the film that are directly taken from it.

Eli Price (29:52.622)
Yeah, I mean, a huge number of the little set pieces, like the little set pieces, are basically models of objects from the Gypsy house. It's really cool. Uh.

Haydn Fabre (30:06.826)
He mentioned in the commentary that whenever Vargas, Plants and Bean have a conversation on the porch before going in to like rally together to take down Mr. Fox, he said that was directly modeled after the Gypsy House porch. So I'm sure him and Noah Bombach had a lot of great conversations where they would later build a miniature set.

Eli Price (30:26.098)
Mm-hmm Yeah, well the putt so the little street like the English Street where they come out of the manhole Towards the end the pub that's like at the end of that street. It looks exactly like the gypsy house

Haydn Fabre (30:35.575)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (30:42.466)
Yeah, what was it? The fad's head or something like that? Yeah. This pub name.

Eli Price (30:44.962)
Yeah, something like that. Yeah, that's that. Uh huh. Yeah, that's the that little pub is modeled after looking like exactly like the gypsy house. Yeah, so.

Haydn Fabre (30:55.958)
Wow. So I know whenever I watched it for this pod in the background, I don't know if you noticed, there's some graffiti. Just a lovely touch. It says CUSS, that's so awesome. Just like the graffiti CUSS behind the old English pub in the middle of New York City town. Good news.

Eli Price (31:03.662)
Yeah, it says cuss.

Eli Price (31:12.354)
Yep. Yep. There's a, if you go in the special features for, on the Criterion collection desk, there's one of the, one of the, you know, special features is like stills, basically like someone there taking photos. So a lot of the photos are like of the cast and crew and the sets and the little.

puppets and stuff but one of the photos is a clearer like shot of that wall that says cuss yeah it's awesome yeah so yeah what so when he was he decided to adapt it basically he he co-wrote this with Noah Baumbach which Noah Noah Baumbach wrote

Haydn Fabre (31:50.328)
So cool.

Eli Price (32:09.618)
What did he write with him? Wasn't Darjeeling, oh, it was Zisu. Yeah, he co-wrote Zisu with him already. So he's already familiar with working with bomb backs.

Haydn Fabre (32:23.81)
Yeah, and they were very good in this, I believe, at the time. While they were writing, while they were working on Fintess and Mr. Fox, they were also working on The Squid and the Whale, which was a bomb box film. So they were kind of balancing all kinds of ideas around at this time.

Eli Price (32:27.804)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (32:34.146)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, I watched that not too long ago for the first time. It's one, it's the only thing other than his own movies that was has produced. So he produced that movie. So I was like, Oh, I'll watch this since Wes was involved with it. Um, yeah, I don't, I can't remember if he has writing credit. I don't think he has writing credit on.

Haydn Fabre (33:02.423)
I don't know.

Eli Price (33:03.234)
It doesn't show up as that in letterboxed anyway But uh, but yeah, so he wrote this with bomb back and he he kind of talks about I didn't really see much from bound back for this one. I He wasn't in any interviews or any of the special features. So but he seems like that kind of guy He's kind of he doesn't really not really interested in that as far as I can tell but what? Said I can

Haydn Fabre (33:27.507)
a true and true writer in the background, just writing all the beautiful dialogue that we used to have.

Eli Price (33:33.826)
Yeah. All the dry witty dialogue. Yeah, so they wrote this together. He was kind of talks about how they would basically like they had the bare bones of the story, like I said before, from the book. And so this is this is what's his first adaptation work. You know, everything, everything else he's done. Before and since really has been.

You know original Original screenplays, and so this is the first adaptive work. He's done Looks like he's gonna do another doubt Roll doll adaptation hopefully coming up soon Yeah, so But yeah so far. This is his only adapted work and mr.. Fox and yeah, he basically talks about they that the

Haydn Fabre (34:15.33)
Yeah. You pull out any kind of sugar.

Eli Price (34:31.534)
The story from doll kind of had it kind of begs for more. So they they kind of talk. It kind of seems like the way they. Added this stuff was just kind of they let it organically build, and so they kind of started with thinking about what might have been happening before. You know, Mr. Fox goes into this, you know, stealing spree on the.

Bagas, Bunsen, Bean Farms. And they ended up with the story they got. Oh, you know, there he has this, you know, wife and they're stealing together. She gets pregnant. He has to be domesticated in a way. And so they they were just kind of like, well, what would happen then? Oh, maybe, you know, they have a preteen son. Oh, maybe like. And so it kind of built. And then eventually they got to where, OK, now it's the book. And so.

You know, there's obviously like added stuff here and there.

Haydn Fabre (35:33.486)
Yeah, well, you need something to spur on events like this. The benefit that you get in children's books is that the children will just join whatever story's being told. Whenever you're telling a children's story to adults, you need a bit more of a buy-in. And I think that that conflict of, well, I'm a family man, I'm getting old, but my roots are in these thieving trips, these heists that I run.

Eli Price (35:36.364)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Eli Price (35:49.008)
Yeah.

Eli Price (35:56.37)
Mm-hmm.

Haydn Fabre (36:03.666)
And then how do you teleport someone from who where they were to where they are into the old bad habits? Move them just like he does in the film you move mr. Fox from a safe place where none of this Temptation is even there To another spot where he is trying to find a better place to support and grow his family But it just so happens to be right across the street from the biggest temptation

Eli Price (36:10.894)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (36:28.306)
Mm-hmm.

Haydn Fabre (36:32.694)
which is these three farmers. I think it's amazing how he is able to set up that story with actual stakes, with actual background that we can actually relate to as an audience rather than, you know, not many people have just have the desire to go steal things, but painting the scene like this really does a number.

Eli Price (36:34.726)
Right.

Eli Price (36:39.706)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (36:46.792)
Yeah, yeah. So.

Yeah, he he kind of treats that a little differently than doll does doll Kind of treats it as well. This is just what comes natural to mr. Fox and Wes takes that he's like, yeah it does it does come natural but Wes's mr. Fox wishes that there was a different way. There's kind of like this interconflict. We'll talk about that more Yeah, I just thought it was interesting the way they kind of they were just like

Haydn Fabre (37:13.954)
Yeah.

Eli Price (37:19.162)
That's the way they thought about adapting it. Okay, we have the meat of the story, the bare bones of it, and we need to add some organs to it. We need to add a kind of how we got here, and then they kind of add on at the end too. So really like, they didn't change really much of Doll's story, they just added to it, is basically how they went about adapting it. Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (37:44.318)
just gave you context for why they would be in this situation.

Eli Price (37:48.826)
But then, yeah, so Wes storyboarded the whole movie and they took the storyboard and made an animatic of it, which I wasn't super familiar with what that was, but basically it's taking a storyboard and animating it in drawings. Very, very, very, very simple, like, drawn animation. And so they actually took the storyboards and actually made the whole movie.

with the voices and like an animatic of what it would look like. And so you can actually watch the whole movie in that animatic form on the criterion disc. Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (38:30.978)
I'll just check that out, just like a hand on storyboards bouncing through the.

Eli Price (38:34.73)
Yeah, it's not super interesting because it's just like pencil sketches and it's not like it's not animated like Like an actual hand-drawn movie um, it's kind of like very jumpy like motions Yeah, uh because it's just to show them What the shots will look like? Um what the that sort of thing and so they they took that and then obviously Started working on the stop motion work uh

Haydn Fabre (38:45.983)
Yeah, it's true.

scene block.

Eli Price (39:04.166)
from the animatic, which makes sense. It seems like a natural flow, moving from storyboard to animatic to the now you know what it's going to look like scene to scene, the sorts of camera movements we need to make, that sort of thing. But yeah. And then yeah, there's so much that goes into making a stop motion movie once you get to that point.

Like the puppets are just incredible. They use like real fur. There's like real like sewn together clothes. And it's really interesting too. You can go in the special features or maybe you can find it on YouTube too. There's like look up Mr. Fox behind the scenes and you can watch them. They start with like they make these little like kind of wire.

figures that have all the little joints. Like they literally like have all the specific joints that you would need it to have to make all the like fine movements it needs to make. Mouth, like little things for the eyebrows. And then they like make a mold and they like put that inside of the mold. And then they like stick the fur into it and.

in the eyeballs. It's like it's super incredible. Like the eyeballs have these little tiny holes in the middle so that they can stick a little thing in there and move it for the eye movements. I mean it's just incredible. Like just

Haydn Fabre (40:31.499)
It sounds like-

Haydn Fabre (40:38.8)
Wow.

Haydn Fabre (40:41.942)
And it's like, low photos a second, right? Is that the...

Eli Price (40:45.346)
Yeah, so it's 12 photos a second and sometimes 24. So some.

Haydn Fabre (40:50.19)
I'm like slow motion shots or something.

Eli Price (40:52.078)
Yeah, if they need it, if they need, um, if there's like more movement action going on, then they do, I think they do like 24. I don't know if it's like doubled up, um, photos or what, but, uh, that's what one of the animators was saying. And, and one of the behind the scenes, um, was that sometimes they have to do 24 instead of 12 per second, which is crazy. Yeah. And like, uh, that, that same lady was saying that.

Haydn Fabre (41:15.95)
Wow.

Eli Price (41:21.906)
the she was working on the post flood little scene in the sewer after they'd been washed into the in the to the sewer. And she was saying that scene she was working on is an 18 second shot. And you're taking like 12 to 24 photos for each of those 18 seconds. And it took her like over eight days. To finish that animating that shot, that 18 second shot.

It's really crazy and I wrote down a few of the little stats like that, like the Flint Mine dolly shot, which is where they're in the Flint Mine. They're starting to like, it kind of goes across. It starts with like the little animal playing the piano. You see the kitchen stuff and it's like Fox and Badger kind of talking through what they're going to do. And it's that dolly shot where it's kind of following them as they're walking that Wes is famous for.

Um, yeah, that shot took five weeks to animate. Five whole weeks and that even the last shot. Um, so we can talk about in a second, the, the different scales of the puppets, but that last shot is the, it's using, uh, the miniature puppets. Um, and it took the shot in the grocery store where it's zooming out. That took six days, I think. That's what I wrote down six days to animate that shot.

Haydn Fabre (42:26.094)
Oh my goodness. How many?

Haydn Fabre (42:49.806)
six days of positioning tiny puppets into dance moves.

Eli Price (42:53.41)
Yeah, and it's not a long shot. It's not like. A few minutes or anything. I mean, it's probably less than a minute, that shot of them dancing. Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (43:02.97)
the miniature section because I know they kind of scale the puppets down as they get further out. Yeah, they're far away.

Eli Price (43:08.632)
Mm-hmm. Yep.

Eli Price (43:12.974)
Yeah, yeah, and so that's a other like really cool thing that I think so like with this movie you You kind of lose some of the west Like typical west style Filmmaking things like there's not a lot of pans in this movie like west loves pans Uh, but I think at one point in the interview. He said He had to like Just forget about 75 percent of the pans he wanted to do

Just because of the dynamics of the sets, you make a set and each little set is kind of standalone. So you can't pan from this background to this background really, because they're two separate little animated sets.

Haydn Fabre (44:00.138)
Yeah, and even the very sometimes where there are pans, you can see it move almost from one set to another set. So you imagine how that build, like I think of the dinner scene when Christopher's in an asher, having another argument or something at the dinner scene and it does one of those hard pans over and you can, for a moment, it almost takes you out of it because you realize that the camera's in the center of the table. And as it turns, you see.

Eli Price (44:04.515)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (44:07.856)
Yeah.

Eli Price (44:27.986)
Hmm.

Haydn Fabre (44:28.798)
Mr. and Mrs. Fox are sitting at a completely separate table because it's so difficult to get that panning effect in something like a stop motion table set.

Eli Price (44:39.022)
Yeah, yeah, but he does pull it off in those in those few times he uses it So you lose some of the West style, but then you get to add on Well, I mean so there's there is still a lot of typical West stuff like there's the I mean the dialogue is very much West You have like the annotations like the chapter annotations is Even though he's this is his first time adapting a book. He's made

Like, you know, I think of the Royal Tenenbaums, you get the little chapter annotations to start each, like, new kind of chapter of the movie sort of thing. So that's still Wes, very Wes. But then, like, you get to add on new things. So like, if you think about what would Wes want to do if he was making a stop motion animated movie, and you get some of that stuff. Like stuff he can't do in live action, but probably would if he could.

And one of those is the scales so you have the three different like scales of puppets Which is normal for like a stop-motion animation you need different scaled puppets for different like Sets, but what Wes does with it is like so the best example There's three main scales, so there's the the large scale the what do they call them? They have like names for them even There's like large

small and mini. And there's actually a fourth scale, which is the micro mini, which isn't used that often. Like I think the tree scene with the Fox way way in the distance is a micro mini and it's just like very bare bones. Like it doesn't even have a ton of detail to it.

Haydn Fabre (46:08.94)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (46:27.51)
Yeah, they don't even have fur once they get down to those small levels.

Eli Price (46:30.666)
Yeah, and so, um, but yeah, the so but the three main ones they use are the the large the small and the micro and so in that first Uh scene where you have mr. And mrs. Fox stealing the chickens and they're kind of doing the The kind of like parkour across the farm you see all The what? Oh, yeah Yes Uh-huh. Yep, uh

Haydn Fabre (46:38.583)
Mm-hmm.

Haydn Fabre (46:50.87)
The Super Mario scene. The Super Mario scene, that's what I see it as. They're kind of doing the platforming like in a Mario game.

Eli Price (47:00.826)
Yeah, I've never thought about it like that, but that's, yeah, very much so. That kind of 2D, one-directional video game. But yeah, so that scene uses all three scales. So when they're kind of like real close up to the camera, you're in the full scale, the large scale. And then they're a little farther away, and they're in the small scale. And then there's a couple of times where you see the Marko ones, where they're like way off.

Haydn Fabre (47:09.334)
Yeah.

Eli Price (47:28.614)
kind of in the set and that set is the same. So you're panning across the same set, but Wes will have them like enter and exit into the, just bump my mic. Wes will have them enter and exit into the camera and the different scales. And that feels like a very Wes thing to do. He even talks about that in an interview where he's like, yeah, it's not supposed to be unnoticeable that all of a sudden they're re-entering

after they go behind this thing in a different scale. He said, you're supposed to notice it, and it's supposed to be fun, which is just like a very West thing. Of course, he would want you to notice that, oh, I'm changing the scale of the after they come out from behind this hay bale. They're in a different scale to give a different distance perspective. But you're supposed to notice it, and it's supposed to be a fun little gag. You know?

Haydn Fabre (48:08.472)
Absolutely.

Haydn Fabre (48:25.182)
Only I noticed it most in was right before when Ash and Christopherson are having their bonding heist moment and they're going to stick back his tail. When they see the apple fritters, the apple snaps or whatever on the table, they like run into the room at the small scale and they disappear behind the plate itself and they climb up on the table next to it and then they're in the large scale. It's clear that they went out of frame intentionally to be able to...

Eli Price (48:32.443)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (48:38.053)
Yeah.

Eli Price (48:42.403)
Uh huh.

Eli Price (48:49.507)
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Haydn Fabre (48:54.846)
switch to a different scale to get more detail. A lot of.

Eli Price (48:57.07)
Right. Yeah. And Wes is like, you're supposed to notice that. Like, I guess not supposed to. But he's like, you know, if you notice that, great, because it's fun. It's a fun thing to notice. And he's like, yeah, yeah, it's. Yeah, I'm not trying to be like subtle. He's not. So I really love that. But yeah, it's just, man, you you could really go on and on about just those puppets.

Haydn Fabre (49:15.756)
Yeah.

Eli Price (49:26.878)
Um, it's just really just like I have a great If I were to watch a movie and it was just like an absolute trash movie, but it was stop motion I would still have great respect for the movie even if it was trash uh Yeah, I mean it's it really is incredible um But yeah the I think though one of the last things as far as like making of I wanted to touch on was the voice acting um

Haydn Fabre (49:29.058)
So.

Haydn Fabre (49:40.926)
Isn't that epic? It's just so immense.

Eli Price (49:56.966)
is super interesting watching. So West took basically you took George Clooney and some of the other actors out to this farmland and they recorded live on the farm. A lot of the like the voices recording. So they did they did some studio stuff after that. But a lot of the conversations are like. Recorded on that farm. Out.

And it's funny, he had them like doing some of the things that they were doing in the movie. And then like if they're walking, he would like crouch down and like pat the grass to get like real walking grass sounds. They actually like recorded that and used it in the movie. Yeah, just a ton of like cool details like that. But yeah, Wes talked about it and he talked about how it was, he, you know, when he got Clooney to come on,

Clooney was like happy to go and do that with him, which was really cool to hear, because you think of Clooney as this like big movie star. He's not gonna go, he just wants to go in the studio and record and be done, but no, he was like happy to. And you can tell he's having fun too. Like there's a one point where it's Clooney, the guy that plays Kylie, what is Kylie, a possum or something? Yeah, and then who?

Haydn Fabre (51:21.142)
Yeah, we are past.

Eli Price (51:25.858)
It's somebody else on the little cart with them. So he has this like little motorcycle with the sidecar. It's not Ash, but it's somebody else. No, no, maybe it is. It may it is Ash. It's whoever voices Ash.

Haydn Fabre (51:33.718)
uh, wasn't too stuff.

Haydn Fabre (51:39.805)
Yeah, it's like we end Ash snuck in while they're like rolling.

Eli Price (51:44.13)
Yeah, so it's that scene, but they're all like literally sitting together on they're like they're like piled on top of each other on a Atv they're not like driving the atv but they're pretend they're pretending they're driving So they're all sitting on that and like cluny is bouncing up and down like Making the atv shake and they're like recording you see the boom mic. They're recording That audio for that That voiceover it's really fun to watch

Haydn Fabre (51:56.59)
They've got like a...

Haydn Fabre (52:12.183)
Oh yeah, such an interesting way to do it. And so clearly shows like the buy-in that everyone in this film had. Everybody out the silliness and the fun of it.

Eli Price (52:15.843)
Yeah.

Eli Price (52:21.304)
Oh yeah.

Uh-huh. And it too, like you, you kind of, I think Wes sometimes people have the wrong impression of him as a filmmaker because of the like incredible detail and control he has over a lot of stuff. But he really is like when you watch behind the scenes stuff, he's really having fun and you can tell that all the, none of the actors feel like it's a slog. Like they are all like, really excited to be there.

They're happy to work with them. So you you get the feeling that he he does create this atmosphere on set that's kind of brings a lot of camaraderie and Just like yeah, let's get after it. Yeah, just to have Clooney. Oh The there's Clooney You see Clooney and the extra features like eating some toast Where in the movie he's eating like the pancakes like that Yeah

Haydn Fabre (53:18.411)
Oh yeah.

Eli Price (53:20.01)
Yeah, well that that great like just this movie is hilarious. Um, you get

Haydn Fabre (53:26.11)
Yeah. Well, that was the first scene that they shot, you know?

Eli Price (53:29.826)
Yes, but he's literally sitting at a table eating toast. Like Clooney is actually like eating toast like that. You need to look, you need to go back on the criterion disk and find it.

Haydn Fabre (53:39.289)
I haven't seen that clip but I've seen the ATV one, the ATV one is lovely but I haven't seen that.

Eli Price (53:43.082)
Oh yeah. Yeah, you need to find the toast one. I think in the movie he's eating pancakes, Mr. Fox, but I'm pretty sure it looked like toast.

Haydn Fabre (53:46.694)
Okay, I'll look it up.

Haydn Fabre (53:50.358)
Well, it's fixing French toast or something of the sort. Yeah.

Eli Price (53:53.462)
Yeah, yeah, it's just it's so fun. I mean Clooney watching George Clooney like eat toast like Mr. Fox to record the audio. It's great Yeah, it was interesting West West talked about He didn't do that for the quality of the sound like he didn't do that because like oh we're outside So we need to record outside. It wasn't that it was like he wanted There was two things he wanted he wanted to

not just record voices for the characters, but he wanted to record performances. And so he was like, let's go actually do the things we're recording so we get performances, not just voices. So that was part of it, which is really like, I think, thoughtful. And it shows like that he's really thinking through literally every aspect, like, how can I get the most out of this? And then, too, he wanted the spontaneity of it, which

is again like something he gets a bad rap for or not a bad rap but just like he has a reputation i think among some people that assume oh he's so very controlling but he actually really embraces kind of spontaneity and unpredictability so there's a scene that they're recording i can't remember which one it is but they're they're recording it like at a lake

or something like that, and there was a boat that passed by, like a vroom, and you can hear it in the audio recording, but that was the take that they liked. And so they were like, well, we're gonna animate an airplane flying by. So there's a scene in the movie where there's just this random airplane that flies by. It has nothing to do with anything, but they had that boat.

Haydn Fabre (55:29.454)
Hmm. What are they?

Eli Price (55:43.706)
drive by in the background that had that motor sound, and so they animated an airplane flying by in the

Haydn Fabre (55:49.506)
I wonder if that's the Wackbat scene, because there is a plane that flies in the background of the Wackbat scene.

Eli Price (55:54.638)
Yeah, yeah, it might be. I can't remember which one it was. But I just thought that was so cool. And that's part of why he did it. He wanted that kind of unpredictability in the sound recordings for it. Yeah, I love that. And he talks about, you kind of made a collage. You're kind of taking pieces of this recording and this take and this take and kind of making a sound collage to put it all together to get the best.

which is really cool. But yeah, there were just a couple more like making of stats before we really move into talking about, man, we're just like, me and you are gonna end up talking about this forever. But.

Haydn Fabre (56:25.729)
That is.

Haydn Fabre (56:38.858)
Yeah, an hour in, all right, let's finish up the opening remarks.

Eli Price (56:44.511)
But yeah, there were 120 unique sets, which is just crazy to think that they're building this many sets. And one of the guys that's like one of the, I guess, production design guys talks about how Wes was like, he was there with them, like, making sure all the props were placed just how he wanted them. And he said, like, it could take up to 24 hours to like.

get all the props placed exactly where they wanted them on set. So they're sitting there like they're using the whole day, like just placing the props exactly right in the little sets, which is just cool. And the other really cool thing was the cider cellar. So in the, you know, Bean's cellar full of his cider, those, all of those glasses of cider are illuminating the scene.

And so they had to place each of those just right so the light would come through them just right. And if one was like misplaced a little bit, they would have to go in and adjust it because it would affect the lighting of that set and that scene for the shooting. And so like they literally had each of those tiny... those were all like actual tiny little cider jugs. And they all had to be placed exactly just right.

Haydn Fabre (58:04.238)
Wow.

Haydn Fabre (58:08.61)
That's such an interesting, interesting relit scene. Like too, it's so cool.

Eli Price (58:08.953)
Um.

Mm-hmm Yeah, and it comes from just like the preciseness of of that Yeah, this that illumination from the the cider jars or jugs. Yeah, really cool Yeah, I mean we can talk all day about that You know, but yeah, let's I know so we haven't really

We touched on it back in the Rushmore episode, but we haven't really talked about it since we started recording. But this is this is just one of your favorite all time movies, right?

Haydn Fabre (58:50.706)
Yes, the question of what is your favorite movie is asked extremely often in circles that we're involved in. For years, I didn't have an answer to it. I would take the greatest movies of all time and there's a list of 50 movies that I enjoy the most that they'd be impossible to rank.

Eli Price (58:58.746)
Mm-hmm.

Haydn Fabre (59:15.926)
being in ministry and also just being someone who's it's very difficult to make a definitive, yes, this is my favorite movie at all time. I eventually landed on Fantastic Mr. Fox because you know, as much as I love Goodfellas, when a seventh grader comes to me and says, Pastor Hayden, what's your favorite movie? I can't really say Goodfellas. They're gonna go home and then they're gonna come back the next week and they're gonna be like, ever since I was a child, I was wanted to be a gangster.

Eli Price (59:24.902)
Hehehe

Eli Price (59:43.718)
Ha ha.

Haydn Fabre (59:44.546)
But Fantastic Mr. Fox is one that I can recommend to anyone. Anyone will enjoy it, whether they're five years old or 500 years old. It's a movie that's full of joy, but also it's a movie that challenges the way that we look at dreams and look at what it means to really be alive and look at what it means to love those around you. So yeah, Fantastic Mr. Fox is my favorite movie of all time, definitively. Definitively, maybe.

Eli Price (01:00:03.4)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:00:10.13)
definitively. Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (01:00:12.822)
you know, Asteroid City will come out and knock it out the park. And I'll be like, well, I'm, I was wrong. We can re-edit this podcast, but fantastic Mr. Fox, you got my number one slot.

Eli Price (01:00:22.818)
Yeah, it's it's funny, you know everyone that really loves movies and that talks about movies a lot, you know, you'll Meet someone and you'll they'll find out you'll have movies and that is the question like what's your favorite movie? And it's just like Such a terrible question to be honest Like I don't have a favorite movie. I have a lot of movies that I love, you know Uh, but you have you kind of have to say something and so

Haydn Fabre (01:00:40.634)
so hard to answer.

Eli Price (01:00:50.755)
Yeah, mr. Fox is a good one to kind of Yeah

Haydn Fabre (01:00:52.886)
It's a nice safe one. No one's ever been like, did you hear Fantastic Mr. Fox is his favorite movie? No, because it's just a fun movie. When, like I have a friend that I work camp with, Logan, he may be listening to this, you know, I met him through Jacob and he says all the time that his favorite movie is Scooby-Doo, the live action Scooby-Doo movie. This is a guy who's got like 4,000 movies logged on Letterboxd and watches every movie that's ever existed and ever comes out.

Eli Price (01:00:59.074)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:01:14.982)
Well that's interesting.

Haydn Fabre (01:01:23.102)
But he says that Scooby-Doo's his favorite, because it's fun to have that quirky number one that isn't ever what anybody expects.

Eli Price (01:01:29.578)
Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. And I don't know. You almost like wonder if that's like ironic. Yeah, it's probably not. Maybe. I mean, you really does love it. And if so, you know, great. But yeah, Mr. Fox doesn't sound like ironic. But what? Yeah, what? I guess what is a quality of this move? Like, I have some points that I want to hit on for just like the themes. But what are some of the

Haydn Fabre (01:01:38.071)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:02:00.186)
I don't know, what's something about this movie that gives it a quality that you're just like, this is my movie. Like I love this movie.

Haydn Fabre (01:02:09.674)
Yeah, that's a great question Eli. I think in different seasons of my life, I've related to different characters of this film. I think that's what really does it for me. So when I was young, it took me years to find that thing I was good at. Like I had a lot of friends who immediately they found out that they were super athletic or immediately found out that they were super smart. And I was always like,

Eli Price (01:02:38.086)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (01:02:39.326)
a bit of a jack of all trades, but also a master of none. And the first time I watched this, just seeing Ash's frustration in, no, I am athletic and no, I am smart. Especially in the face of Christopherson who is just perfect. I was like, man, that's me. And then getting older and dealing with my insecurities and seeing the same...

Eli Price (01:02:45.17)
Sure.

Eli Price (01:02:54.31)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:02:59.886)
Mm-hmm.

Haydn Fabre (01:03:08.038)
issues in my life constantly resurface and never truly being able to put my thorns away, I was able to relate to Mr. Fox, who's constantly apologizing for the same sins against his wife and against his family. And towards the end of the film, you're almost questioning the sincerity of his apologies because you keep messing up with the same things and apologizing in the same way. But that's what we do throughout our lives. We apologize for the same things over and over and over again.

Eli Price (01:03:22.799)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:03:34.149)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:03:37.987)
Right.

Haydn Fabre (01:03:40.27)
I think that the honesty and the layer of, this is a children's movie, and it really is not. It's not a children's movie. It's a, if anything, it's a movie for, you know, those going through a season of life crisis. So specifically when I went through like my quarter life crisis when I was 23 and 22, and I was like, who even am I? What am I even doing here? That waterfall scene.

Eli Price (01:03:48.466)
Mm-hmm.

Haydn Fabre (01:04:09.634)
where Mr. Fox is like, sometimes I'm just afraid that if I'm not just the most fantastic person to ever exist and just knock people out by how amazing I am, I feel like I'm failing. And I realized that that was my head space that I just thought I was failing all the time. It's just so honest. It's so real, it's so honest. It's just layered in this quirky and fun thing that you can show anyone.

Eli Price (01:04:19.234)
Mm-hmm. Right.

Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:04:30.563)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:04:37.398)
Yeah, yeah, and I would argue like so I would argue it is a kids movie But it's in the so like it's a layered kids movie, you know, it's layered It's not maybe the best way to put it is it's not just a kids movie Yeah, yeah, it's not it's not simply a kids movie there's some movies that you watch and you're like, yeah, this is for kids and

Haydn Fabre (01:04:53.654)
Yes, that's a better way to say it.

Haydn Fabre (01:05:04.159)
It's not like a movie that is a kids movie, but it's like a kids movie asterisk with a couple of adult themes. It is a kids movie.

Eli Price (01:05:11.03)
Right, or with like jokes that only adults will get. It's not that sort of movie for sure. It's it's The layered aspect is probably the best way that I could put it. It it has layered like so, you know, I really Thought it was Really cool what you were saying about you relate to it in different ways in different parts of your life So, you know you

Haydn Fabre (01:05:16.051)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:05:38.094)
you relate to Ash when you're kind of in your preteen and that transition not really knowing who you are not really knowing how you fit in Not really knowing, you know, what makes me me what am I good at? And then, you know when you start moving into adulthood, you know You kind of can relate to mr. Fox more and the things he's dealing with And then you know for me as

father of two young children, you know, you even add on another layer of like, what am, who am I as a father? How do I relate to my wife and my children and what does that look like for me now? What is that? What would, you know, what road does that take me down? You know, you kind of do, you know, you have the

Eli Price (01:06:38.386)
Fake smile. That's great. And you kind of.

Haydn Fabre (01:06:39.15)
Yeah, the big T.

Eli Price (01:06:45.478)
You know, you feel all the things. When you find out you're gonna have a child, you kind of feel all the things. You feel excitement, you feel nervous, you feel, you know, am I doing this? Is this going to, you, it's, I'm just realizing this as I'm talking. You do feel like, is this gonna trap me? Am I trapped by this new situation that I'm in? Like, is having a kid in a domestic,

you know, family life going to trap me? Am I ever going to be able to be who I'm supposed to be? And so, yeah, it's those layers you add on the layers and layers. And every time you watch it, you can see more of those layers. And it's so incredible that a guy like Wes and Noah Baumbach were able to write such a layered movie. I mean, it makes sense. But at the same time, you're like, man, how could they have written this?

You know on the criterion disk one of my favorite things on the disk is they have these two kids review the movie and Have you watched that? Oh It's hilarious. I can't remember what it's called on the like in the little special features thing, but uh Yeah, there's these two. There's these two there. They look like they're probably like maybe 11 give or take

Haydn Fabre (01:07:56.246)
I'm not, no.

Eli Price (01:08:13.538)
Maybe a little younger, I'm not sure. But it's hilarious. They talk about some of the things that they think are interesting and that they like were moved by, you know, in a kind of kid way or that they, you know, they were interested in the stealing. Like why is he stealing? That's something that they were interested in. What's making him steal?

And they were wrestling with the question of, well, if he's stealing to provide for his family, maybe that's okay. It was just like, it's funny, but they're digging into this movie as kids, but in a very kid way. It's not like they're watching it and they're like, oh, this is just fun and there's nothing more to it. They actually are thinking about what does it mean? What can I learn from this? But then like,

Haydn Fabre (01:08:47.054)
It's funny.

Eli Price (01:09:08.398)
Like you said, as you move into different phases of your life, I think there's something for you there. Which is really incredible. It's a very nuanced movie as far as speaking to life and what life is, while at the same time being this chaotic, comedic ride of a movie.

Like you literally never know what's around the corner in this movie. Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (01:09:41.034)
It's so perfectly balanced. It's one scene he's in a attorney's office buying a tree house and ow ow ow having a clust fight at each other. And then the next scene you're watching interacting with this kid and your heart just is kind of breaking because Ash feels so unseen by his dad. And your heart is like, man, whenever as you have two kids and

Eli Price (01:09:52.131)
Having a cuss fight.

Haydn Fabre (01:10:10.942)
As I who will have a kid in the coming years, it's just like, I hope my son never thinks that. I hope my son is never feeling like he needs to beg for my attention because I wanna give him my attention so freely. I hope he feels enough, you know? I hope he feels loved the way he is and Felicity Fox does a great job at, speaking to him in a way, I'm like, I know what it feels like to not be able to say what you feel like.

Eli Price (01:10:14.642)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:10:25.146)
Right. Yeah.

Eli Price (01:10:40.784)
Right.

Haydn Fabre (01:10:42.07)
It's convicting, you know?

Eli Price (01:10:43.762)
Mm-hmm. Yeah Yeah, and I think You know, I think what he does really like at the end of the day here is he takes a children's story This role doll book that really is just kind of like an adventure There's like I mean, I guess there's themes to it like don't be greedy is Kind of what it can boil down to from the book But really like

It's pretty bare bones as far as like what themes is exploring. It's just like a cool, fun, adventurous story. But what and so like, and you know, it's a kid's story. It's a kid's movie. It's going to have a happy ending. You just kind of know that kid stories have happy endings and that's there's nothing wrong with that. It's a great thing that kids stories have happy endings. And so since there's not that like conflict of how is this going to end?

Haydn Fabre (01:11:36.33)
Yeah, love a good happy ending.

Eli Price (01:11:43.106)
Um, Wes moves the conflict to an inner conflict. And so that's where the, that's where like the conflict and the wondering how it's going to end comes is like, what is going to happen with Mr. Fox? Like, is he going to change? Is he going to like do the right thing? Like, is he going to figure out who he is? Um, but yeah.

Haydn Fabre (01:12:06.294)
And he asks the question of where the greed comes from. Whereas the book just gives us, you know, greedy Fox because he's greedy. And then Wes creates.

Eli Price (01:12:12.158)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:12:18.146)
Yeah. Well, the farmers are like more the figures of greed, I think, in the book. Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (01:12:22.914)
Ah, yes. And then Mr. Fox is just like stealing from the rich kind of thing.

Eli Price (01:12:27.67)
Yeah, well, it's like, um, yeah, in a sense, uh, but in the book, he's just, he's a fox. So that's what he does. There's not really much more to it. Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (01:12:34.838)
I got you. I got you. And then, but then Wes is like, the point still stands that Wes is able to take that. Well, he's just Fox is just for Fox's to ask him to watch. Yeah. And tries to put him into this box of society, of human society where they're, you know, doing taxes and reading the news. Like he's a newspaper columnist. That's Mr. Fox's job. He writes a column in the newspaper. How far away from...

Eli Price (01:12:44.13)
Yeah, you know, we're wild animals.

Eli Price (01:12:54.99)
Yes. Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (01:13:03.454)
A fox's nature can you get into a right a column in the newspaper and be concerned on whether people read it. But he's able to give that contrast in removing the fox from its natural habitat from so far where the fox is coming to terms with their nature and we're coming to terms with our dreams in a parallel.

Eli Price (01:13:25.97)
Mm-hmm Yeah Yeah, it's It's cool. I I think of something else that really stands out just about It's something that Wes is really good at and I think

I think in his next movie, which we'll talk about next week, I think is his best movie as far as this goes. But just having a bunch of characters, like an ensemble of characters that are all feel fully formed. Like you feel like you know what Badger is all about, even though you don't see a whole lot of them. And you feel like you know, you know, you just feel like you know these characters.

And I think part of that is just, I think from the very beginning, like from Bottle Rocket on, something that has made Wes movies unique is maybe even more, I mean, not more so, but just as much so as like his style and like design is just his care for people, for like individuals. Like he has a deep care and empathy, I think, for just...

I don't know if there's a better way to put that. Like I see you and I see who you are. That sort of thing. So you know, you have the Mr. Fox scene where he says, you know, I see all of you and you're all fantastic in your own ways. You know, and that's, I think that's a message that speaks to kids, but there's that other layer of it for adults too. And you know, it's funny.

One of the interviews in a special feature was just saying, to him, the movie, a big thing that the movie about is just showing you that there's something fantastic about everyone, which is a very kid theme, but just the layers we've been talking about make it very prescient and I guess applicable to us as adults too.

Haydn Fabre (01:15:27.726)
But yeah.

Eli Price (01:15:41.466)
You know, you might not feel like it in whatever like weird transition or weird place in life you are But there is still like something fantastic about you and maybe it's that you're a demolition expert and no one knew it Yeah, which is just another like you it's just that joke is another example of like you just never know what's gonna happen You never know what the next person is gonna say or what turn it's gonna take

Um, like I think that Mr. Fox, the way he eats the pancakes is another example of that. Just like the comedy of like, you know, they're having this very domestic conversation and the way they're like respectfully talking to each other. She like brings him his plate of pancakes and then it's just like, like wild animal eating time. And like, you would never see that coming. Like the first time you watch that, like you're going to laugh out loud because it's hilarious and you never see it coming.

Haydn Fabre (01:16:32.034)
I don't know.

Haydn Fabre (01:16:39.754)
Yeah. Well, and breaking up the, you know, you don't need to buy this land. It's in a poor area of town. It's in bad real estate. And having this conversation in the lawyer's office, they immediately.

Eli Price (01:16:41.006)
And the movie is packed with stuff like that.

Eli Price (01:16:50.243)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:16:53.622)
Yeah. And he goes, he has a real estate agent. It's Wes. Wes voices the real estate agent.

Haydn Fabre (01:16:58.664)
What is this?

Oh yeah, with the pink sweater on. When he's like, feeling healthy. Yeah. Oh, he's eating.

Eli Price (01:17:03.874)
Yeah. Yeah. When he started talking this when I watched it this time, I was like, that's Wes because I've been taking in so much Wes content doing this podcast. Like the minute he started speaking, I was like, that's Wes. He voiced that character.

Haydn Fabre (01:17:17.838)
There's a lot of really cool cameos that he mentions. Yeah, yeah, he said that's awesome.

Eli Price (01:17:19.898)
Yeah, his brother does Christofferson. Yeah. Yeah. Which he's done some little side roles here and there, but Christofferson's the first time he's like been a kind of major supporting role.

Haydn Fabre (01:17:32.022)
Yeah. Well, like, they do the pan shot that you mentioned earlier, whenever they're getting ready for, like, the Thanksgiving dinner, if you will. The bunny rabbit that's cooking, that's cutting the carrots, whatever, that's, like, preparing the chef. It's like a five star chef. I don't know his name or anything, but it's the voice that's provided the two or three lines, whatever that are there, is from an actual five star chef that Wes knew personally that in the commentary he says was one of the most famous people on the cast.

Eli Price (01:17:43.328)
Uh huh.

Eli Price (01:17:47.292)
Okay.

Eli Price (01:17:59.27)
That's hilarious.

Haydn Fabre (01:17:59.799)
I have different reasons than obviously being an actor. Yeah.

Eli Price (01:18:02.594)
Right. That's great. Yeah, there's so much stuff like that. That just makes this a joy to watch. Um, but then you just, man, that's just Wes movies. Like, man, I'm having so much fun watching this, but man, does it get emotional. Like there's, there's three, like, especially touching scenes for me. Uh, like we've talked about at least one of them already. Um, the, uh, like the first one is when

Mrs. Fox, they're in the mineral deposit. Like she takes them aside and she like smacks them. And she's like, why are you doing this to us? And man, it's just like. Oh, it gets I don't know why that scene gets to me, but it does, because I guess it's just like the kind of guilt and shame you you kind of carry when you have a family of like, am I in my heart, like is just the way I am, like harmful to my family.

Like do the choices I make and the mistakes I, like you said, like kind of fall back into, am I like destroying my family? And you know, it's something when you do have someone that's that close to you, like a wife, like your wife, your spouse, you know, that can say something like that to you. You know, that's a special thing. It's not.

It can be harmful if you take it the wrong way, but it is a special thing to have someone that can say that to you. So I don't know, that seems really touching to me. It's super tough, like the waterfall scene is just so good, like.

Haydn Fabre (01:19:44.566)
Yeah, that's probably the reason that I love this movie. Because did you see in the commentary or anything that you watched on how they made the waterfall look the way it did with the Saran wrap? That's just so cool. All of the water effects were Saran wrap. That's complete from the touch. Yeah. Yeah.

Eli Price (01:19:46.935)
And it's beautiful.

Eli Price (01:19:55.938)
Yeah, yeah, go into that. Uh-huh, yep.

Eli Price (01:20:03.438)
Yeah. Yeah, different sorts of plastic. And they just shift them around. This in the smoke is all cotton. They just kind of shift the cotton around to make the smoke. And the fire is actually like pieces of soap, like a translucent waxy soap that they've made. And to make them animate to look like they're flickering, they literally will just take a couple of them out and put different sized ones in for the next shot.

Haydn Fabre (01:20:17.534)
Yeah, yeah. Peace to the white flag. Peace.

That's so cool.

Eli Price (01:20:33.178)
makes it look like it's flickering. But yeah, but yeah, the the waterfall is beautiful. It's like literally just like plastic moving around, but the way it's shot is just the way the light is coming up through the grates, like the yeah the way they're illuminated, and the way like they're that he like silhouettes them against the waterfall. I mean it's beautiful and then it's a it's a

Haydn Fabre (01:20:35.458)
with that waterfall.

Haydn Fabre (01:20:43.97)
So incredible.

Eli Price (01:21:03.378)
that West moment of acceptance. Like you are who you are, I am who I am, and I see you and I accept you for who you are. You know, you kind of get a lot of those moments in West films. And it's a beautiful moment, you know, in a beautiful set. Yeah, I love that moment. And then the other one, the other one that, I think especially on this viewing,

that made me kind of like tear up a little bit is his moment with Ash, you know, where he's like going through the birth story and Ash was like, yeah, yeah, I know, I know. Yeah, you didn't know if I was a boy or girl. Yeah, you were like wondering what would happen. And then, you know, Mr. Fox like says something that he's obviously never said to Ash before. And he's like, Ash, I'm so glad that he was you.

like talking about their unborn child. Like that's, man, that gets to me. Like I'm getting like emotional just talking about it. But just like being a father, like, and you know, this is just that other layer that you'll get when you become a father or like if you're listening and you become a mother, you know, that added layer of just like knowing that feeling with your child, like I know I've let you down.

It's not your fault, it's my fault. I made the mistake. And it has nothing to do with you and who you are. I'm glad you are who you are. If there's anything you want as a parent, that's what you want your kid to know. That you love them for who they are, not for anything else, but just who they are as a person. And...

Haydn Fabre (01:22:56.278)
And from that moment on, the trajectory in the relationship between Ash and Mr. Fox changes completely. Wow. It's almost like once that scene is done, we can just take a deep breath and be like, they finally said it. He finally said that Ash needed to hear the whole film and now they can do all of this stuff together and Ash can believe in himself.

Eli Price (01:23:03.919)
Yeah, for sure.

Eli Price (01:23:12.666)
Yeah. Yes.

Eli Price (01:23:21.935)
Yeah, for sure.

Yeah, yeah, but this is, I don't know, there's a lot of other things we can talk about. We can talk about the lightning strike paintings that Mrs. Foxdut paints. Like what's the lightning strike all about? I almost wonder if it's like her way of, cause she paints these like beautiful scenes, like these nature scenes, but all of them have like a strike of lightning in it. And it's almost like this.

her way of saying like, I'm domesticated, but there's still something wild about me. Like, that's how it comes out for her. Like, she has a, she has like a, what's the word I'm looking for? A, I guess, healthy medium for her wildness, like painting lightning strikes and.

Haydn Fabre (01:24:01.196)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (01:24:15.606)
Yeah. Because it's very clear that she's, you know, like whenever they keep talking, whenever the rat talks about how she was sleazy or whatever and like stopped the fight for Mr. Fox to...

Eli Price (01:24:25.335)
Yeah.

which will him to foe is great.

Haydn Fabre (01:24:30.31)
Oh, he's so good. Well, Mr. Fox stops the lights to turn and say like, you know, we've all lived different lives and we've all done things, but it's okay. It's clear that she's got some kind of wild past about her that she's forcing to domesticate better than Mr. Fox is, and she has her outlet for where it comes out.

Eli Price (01:24:42.277)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:24:47.683)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, yeah, but yeah, Willem Dafoe is great for that rap, man. And you even you can even see him in the studio and some behind the scenes. He's like actually like doing the movements that the rap does while he's recording it.

Haydn Fabre (01:24:55.065)
is.

Haydn Fabre (01:25:01.15)
west side look to it with the switchblade and the snap

Eli Price (01:25:05.942)
Yeah, it's almost like West Side Story-esque kind of like dancing. Like, yeah.

Haydn Fabre (01:25:12.702)
a West Side Anderson, West, West Anderson side story.

Eli Price (01:25:18.37)
Yeah, but yeah, yeah the Yeah, the mom paintings. I think that I think there might be something going on there with that Like that's her medium for her wildness. Like she has found a healthy medium where mr. Fox hasn't yet Sort of thing

Haydn Fabre (01:25:33.23)
or another angle just to propose the conversation that she feels that her life is reaching a level of serenity but there's just one thing that's not yet. And she knows that Fox has still got that desire to go and do things that are destructive to their family.

Eli Price (01:25:44.322)
Maybe, yeah. Yeah, the-

Eli Price (01:25:53.154)
Yeah, yeah for sure Maybe yeah actually at the end she I don't know if you noticed The she's painting a little painting at the end when it's kind of like there. They've kind of accepted their place in the sewer But this one has a tornado instead of a lightning strike. Yeah, I Don't know She is definitely represents like a transition, but I don't know

Haydn Fabre (01:25:55.454)
a lot of angles.

Haydn Fabre (01:26:08.526)
Hmm.

Haydn Fabre (01:26:11.81)
I did notice that. I wonder what that means. I don't know. Like

Haydn Fabre (01:26:19.565)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:26:21.55)
I don't necessarily know from what to what, you know? So...

Haydn Fabre (01:26:24.09)
Yeah, like I feel that a lightning strike is a very pointed source of natural destruction. Meanwhile, a tornado is more of a confusing conglomeration of issues. I wonder if that's there or... No idea. Wes, if you're again, if you're listening, if you've made it through the 90 minutes of this podcast already, still listen to us talk about your movie and probably get everything wrong. Just let us know. Why is it a tornado?

Eli Price (01:26:37.44)
Who knows?

Eli Price (01:26:50.338)
Yeah, we would love to know. We would love to know why. I don't really have a theory of what the change there means, but, uh, but it, it, it did like strike me as interesting. Um, yeah. Uh, another thing that I noticed this time, not that I noticed, but just like that being so steeped in Wes Anderson stuff, uh, you have the, uh, like the Mr. Fox.

Haydn Fabre (01:26:56.694)
Yeah, you knew.

Haydn Fabre (01:27:17.347)
Hmm. Yeah. I'm a scaredy-cat.

Eli Price (01:27:18.586)
I think I did that really well. So if you're listening and you think you think I inserted the audio on my soundboard for that No, that was me. So if you were impressed with that, that was for sure me if you were not impressed with that then Hayden did it. Yeah Yeah, so he you know, Kylie is like what's what's up with that like and he's just like, oh, that's my trademark and it just struck me as a very like West thing like

Haydn Fabre (01:27:26.051)
Thanks.

Haydn Fabre (01:27:31.475)
I did it. It was.

Eli Price (01:27:45.286)
Someone like a critic asking Wes like, Hey, why did you do this? And he's just like, I don't know. This is something I do. I like it. Ha ha.

Haydn Fabre (01:27:51.806)
Well, he sheds some light on it in the commentary. Actually credits it to Donald Sutherland in MASH. He said that in MASH, he had, you know, my dad watched MASH when I was growing up, but I've never watched it, like truly myself. But in MASH, apparently, like as he was leaving sets and things, like whenever he was going through his post, he always had this little like whistle thing that he did. And it was, I just thought it was cool. So, left it in there.

Eli Price (01:27:54.274)
Okay.

Eli Price (01:27:59.277)
Okay.

Eli Price (01:28:03.28)
Right.

Eli Price (01:28:15.682)
Right. Right. Yeah. But yeah, and that fit it does fit for that character, probably for Mr. Fox's character. But yeah, so but that's just something that like because I've watched a lot of West interviews through this podcast and, you know, that is something that West will say all the time, like, hey, why did you do this in this way? And he's just like, I don't know that I just thought it was cool. And so I did it that way.

Haydn Fabre (01:28:24.272)
Oh, yes.

Haydn Fabre (01:28:45.739)
I love that.

Eli Price (01:28:47.26)
Which is like kind of how mr. Fox answers. He's like, I don't know. It's my trademark Yes, I just do I just I just like it so I do it, you know, yeah and

Haydn Fabre (01:28:50.602)
Yeah. Yeah. Just what I do. You don't have one? And later he comes back and you're with him. Yeah. Yeah. That's like, Tarantino has an interview very similar to that. They're like asking Quinton why he has so much blood and gore in his films. And he just says, because blood and gore is fun. And they're like, okay, great. Cool. Good talk, Quinton.

Eli Price (01:29:09.136)
Uh-huh.

Eli Price (01:29:12.622)
Yeah, sure. Why not? Yeah.

And yeah, just another thing, you know, you kind of mentioned the Thanksgiving dinner, but yeah, so something that that Me and my wife have done At least the past two years. I think we've done it two years in a row Once we do it this year, it'll I think officially be We've declared it a tradition, but I think once we do it three years in a row. It will be officially a tradition

That's like an arbitrary number I've made up just now on the spot. But yeah, we watch Mr. Fox every Thanksgiving. So Thanksgiving, you know, we've we're back home or the families left or whatever, wherever, however Thanksgiving works for that year. Yeah, it's it's it's a Thanksgiving movie. We watch it every Thanksgiving. Yeah. And I.

Haydn Fabre (01:29:48.398)
I agree.

I agree and we're the only people that can.

Eli Price (01:30:17.558)
I think it is very like Thanksgiving, like Wes talks about the coloring for the movie. He is like we wanted it to be very fall. There's, in like the vast majority of scenes, he even said there's no, there's like very very little green and no blue at all. It's like all reds and orange and yellows.

Haydn Fabre (01:30:37.55)
I think the only blue is in the scene with Bill Murray's character. That's a key where it's a blue suit, but I think that's it.

Eli Price (01:30:45.522)
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And then you get like a little bit of blue in the waterfall scene. Yeah, so those are really like the only places where you get that cooler color. Everything else is like reds, oranges, and yellows. Which makes it like, he was going for the fall aesthetic and like it's very fall. And then I do think it has those like Thanksgiving themes too. Like it's...

Haydn Fabre (01:30:51.11)
Oh yeah, yeah. I don't like them completely back.

Eli Price (01:31:12.494)
It's anti-greed, like that's in the book, and you see that in the movie too. Like these farmers are like so greedy with their things, like they're just disgusting in the way they make their, you know, their foods that they eat. Like they consume their own products in disgusting ways. Yeah, oh yeah. And so like you see that element, like it's anti-greed, and then I feel like it's like pro-family too.

Haydn Fabre (01:31:31.702)
Yeah, three chickens a day for four meals.

Eli Price (01:31:42.638)
Like, can you be like for you, which I feel like those two things put together is very Thanksgiving. Like anti-greed pro family. Like.

Haydn Fabre (01:31:51.178)
Yeah, while having a clear understanding that family is never gonna be perfect. And that's sort of something that you discover every year at Thanksgiving is, yeah, I haven't seen this cousin in a while and I remember that they're not perfect. And this uncle, this nephew, whatever. But you're all here, you all love each other anyway.

Eli Price (01:32:07.79)
Yeah, but yeah, right. You figure out how to make it work. Right, I feel like that's very Thanksgiving. So they, you know, he always wants to give a speech about what he's thankful about whenever he has the opportunity, whether it's his house or not. Even at Badger's Flint Mine, he wants to be the one giving the Thanksgiving speech.

Haydn Fabre (01:32:17.255)
Absolutely.

Haydn Fabre (01:32:28.919)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (01:32:35.946)
Yeah, don't worry.

Eli Price (01:32:38.038)
Yeah, yeah, I see you wrote down you just added in the in the show notes the whack bat

Haydn Fabre (01:32:43.926)
Yes, that's one of my favorite scenes in the whole movie. It has, I don't think there's any themes there that we need to dissect or anything, but it's so much fun. And I.

Eli Price (01:32:50.402)
No, for sure. Very fun. Did you see the extra feature where there's like a short clip of Wes explaining Wackbat?

Haydn Fabre (01:33:01.022)
No, I didn't, but I need to see it. That's wonderful. Because in the comic, it says that he doesn't understand the rule.

Eli Price (01:33:02.338)
Yeah. There's not.

No, he like no, he's just making you can tell like he's they're kind of sitting around a table and he's like there's a few like little pieces of like stuff there and he's kind of explaining what what they might animate and Someone's like well, what about this and he's like, yeah. Yeah, we can do that or maybe this like he's making it up on the fly There's like there's no real rules to this game

Haydn Fabre (01:33:21.334)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (01:33:29.294)
That's all.

Haydn Fabre (01:33:33.578)
Also, in the commentary, he talks a little bit about it, and I was so fascinated by it because he says that he was trying to fit Owen into the movie, but he didn't really have a time, and their schedules didn't really link up or anything like that. And they were recording something else for Criterion for like one of his earlier films, they were recording a commentary or behind the scenes or something. And it was him and Owen both on it. And when they paused recording, he just started like,

explaining this idea that he had to do like a coach scene and he was like this is some of the lines of dialogue that I Thought about it and Owen was like sure do you have anything written down and he was like, yeah So he pulled out the script and in the same recording that they were doing the comment the criteria They were just like hey, would you guys mind if we recorded five minutes of dialogue and they recorded it there? So within 48 hours, he said he said he wrote down the map for

Wackbat and the idea for Wackbat and the scene that they would have on a piece of hotel stationary where he was staying. He sent a picture to Owen and was like, let's record this. They recorded it and then he sent it to the animation team all in a span of 48 hours. So it wasn't really in the plan. He just had the idea. Owen was like, yeah, that sounds awesome. And then they got it done. Super fun.

Eli Price (01:34:31.57)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:34:37.991)
Dice.

Eli Price (01:34:45.691)
That's awesome.

Eli Price (01:34:49.878)
Yeah. Yeah, so this that stuff in the in the extra features must be like after all that Like he sent it to the animators and now like he's sitting in there with them like trying to like show them

Haydn Fabre (01:35:02.646)
Yeah, that was another thing he said. He said, it took 48 hours to conceive and record and then probably six months to actually animate and film. So cool.

Eli Price (01:35:11.502)
Yeah, yeah, that's great. But yeah, let's let's like try to wrap this up with some final thoughts. I always like to wrap it up with like a final question or theme. And what I wrote down for this one is does Mr. Fox change like is Mr. Fox a changed Fox at the end of the movie, if you will, a changed Mr. Fox?

Like what makes it fantastic? Is it the change he's undergone through the movie or lack thereof? I don't know, I think it's an interesting question. And I think it stems from comparing Mr. Fox with other West characters that are similar. I think you have it first like in Max Fisher and Rushmore and then you see it in Royal Tenenbaum.

Gene Hackman's character and then I think to some in Steve Zissou from The Life Aquatic, you have this kind of character that kind of recurs and it's kind of this like charismatic leader like impresario leader kind of character that is very charismatic. People were drawn to him which Clooney is perfect for with his voice.

Um, you, you want to root for him, even though like he has these flaws just like, by the way, his voice is, but yeah, does, I don't know, he, I feel like these are all similar characters and I think it's something an interesting thread through his movies of these characters going through the movie and like my question is always, is that character different than they were at the start of the movie? I don't know. Do you have any thoughts on that?

Haydn Fabre (01:37:06.186)
Yeah, I think it's hard to say that he changes, at least in a significant way.

Haydn Fabre (01:37:17.046)
Because if you told me that six months after the movie was filmed or, you know, one, one Foxy or whatever, after the movie was filmed, um, he went and started stealing again. I would believe you. Because I think that, I think he's changed in that he appreciates the family that he has and he has come to terms, I think more at the end of the film than at the beginning of the film with the domestic life that he's living.

I think the conversation, I mean, the scene with the wolf, which, you know, Wes says is the reason why he made the film. I think that's a moment where you can see, especially in those tears that well up in his eyes, looking at the wolf, that he understands that he's a wild animal, but he understands that this is the life that he has decided to live, and you have to live by the commitments that you make.

Eli Price (01:38:00.433)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:38:04.643)
Mm-hmm.

Haydn Fabre (01:38:12.806)
not just the emotions that you feel or the things that you try to build in your life are going to fall apart. And I think that he comes to terms with that at the end of this film that he has to look at his family and acknowledge that yeah, you're gonna have desires and you're gonna have dreams and things like that, but you've got people that are relying on you and they come first, whatever it means for you.

Eli Price (01:38:18.115)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:38:32.114)
Hmm.

Eli Price (01:38:36.371)
Yeah. Yeah, I almost wonder if his phobia of wolves that he kind of talks about through the movie is like The fear inside of him that he has that wildness of a wolf in there so it's it's less of like a phobia, I don't know it's It's less about it goes back to that inner conflict. It's less about oh, yeah he has a phobia of like real wolves and it's more of like

An inner phobia of like who he really is which I think you see for sure and that that is a touching moment It doesn't like hit me as hard as those other ones we talked about but it's definitely a touching moment You know for a lot of viewers I've heard talk about that moment as being very like emotional and touching for them But it's definitely is for the character the mr. Fox character

Haydn Fabre (01:39:05.067)
I think.

You're right.

Haydn Fabre (01:39:28.694)
Yeah, I think that's the moment that he realizes that, like you're saying, that's the internal conflict with the whole movie, that fear of wolves that he has the whole time. It's not really a phobia, it's just a fear of coming to terms with who you are on your inside. And when he sees that wolf, he has to realize, as soon as I get on this motorcycle, which is so absurd, and drive away, I'm accepting that.

Eli Price (01:39:45.366)
Yeah, right.

Eli Price (01:39:53.592)
Mm-hmm.

Haydn Fabre (01:39:57.174)
I'm not, I can't be a wild animal anymore. I have to, this life that I've decided to live and live it to my fullest, all the people around me are gonna suffer like what has happened in the previous hour of the movie.

Eli Price (01:39:59.621)
Right.

Eli Price (01:40:09.186)
Yeah, yeah for sure. And you know, I think that is a thread that carries through all these similar characters that he has. They go through the movie and the change, so you'll watch a lot of movies and the change will be like, I don't know, this character changes so drastically where they almost have a different personality or a different defining characteristic by the end of the movie.

And I feel like the changes that Wes's characters undergo are more subtle. And I think part of that comes from like what we talked about, like he cares about people, like who they are, like as individuals. And so when he, I feel like when Wes, and maybe it's not something he like actively thinks about, but just kind of comes out of how he naturally thinks about people. So when he's thinking about, okay, what does it look like for Mr. Fox to grow as a person?

He's not so much worried about, how can I change them to think completely differently than they did at the beginning of the movie? How can I change them to have a different personality or a different set of values? He's not thinking about that, and you don't really get that out of these characters. They don't have a different set of values, necessarily. They don't have a different personality. They don't have

I don't see that sort of change in these characters. It's more of this acceptance, like we've been talking about. These characters come to terms with who they are, what their situation is, and what they're going to have to do to get by with who they are. Like Mr. Fox at the end of the movie is still giving this very sort of self-centered...

speech about like the you know being able to eat at this grocery store you know and it's it's still like he hasn't changed a whole lot but his acceptance of his place like where he is how he's gonna you know how he can still be who he is where he is while also like not neglecting his responsibilities

Eli Price (01:42:37.474)
I think that's where the growth comes. There's almost this very graceful theme of acceptance. Like I'm going to meet this character. Wes meets his characters where they are and gives them that grace, that acceptance of I see you, I know who you are. You don't have to change fundamentally who you are. Maybe you need to change how you relate to your situation. But you know.

He just has this incredible grace for his characters that I think is really cool. And you see that in that the way that they change is very subtle. Like Mr. Fox is still very much Mr. Fox at the end of the movie. But he does. I think the main way, you mentioned the wolf scene, but I think the main way I saw it was, she announces to him that she's pregnant again.

And this time they both glow. Like in that very first scene, like she glows, she's glowing and he sees her glowing. But in this scene, it's like they're together now. Like he, there's this acceptance of where they are, who they are as a family.

Haydn Fabre (01:43:55.402)
I think you hit it on the money when you said earlier, like whenever they're in the cage, when you first find out you're having a kid, you sort of fear and lament for the life you're about to lose, the amount of freedom you're about to lose. But when he has that conversation with Ash and is able to physically see the life that he breathes into Ash just with his employment, he's shifted. He's not a wild animal who now has to care for a child. Now he's a father.

Eli Price (01:44:06.204)
Mm-hmm.

Haydn Fabre (01:44:23.002)
and he's just as excited as she is. Yes.

Eli Price (01:44:23.49)
Yeah. Now he's a father that's a wild animal. Yeah. So it's almost like this shifting of priorities. Like I'm going to shift the priority of my wildness to be under like my role as a father and a husband sort of thing. Yeah. Like he's still the wild animal. Like that's never there's never a question in the movie of like, is he going to stop being a wild animal? Like the

Haydn Fabre (01:44:32.076)
Exactly.

Haydn Fabre (01:44:43.178)
Yeah, shifting the priority.

Eli Price (01:44:53.258)
I think there's a definitive like no, he will always be a wild animal. But the question is like. Can his family accept him for who he is as a wild animal and can like he accept. Like his responsibility to his family, like which I think is, I don't know, it's really cool. But yeah, let's let's wrap up with our ratings. Obviously, I think it's pretty apparent where me and Hayden both stand on this one.

Haydn Fabre (01:45:22.018)
Five stars.

Eli Price (01:45:23.366)
Five-stars we're in agreement this actually moved up for me. I've seen this so I've seen this movie probably this was probably my fifth time Watching this movie, so I watched it for the first time you know years and years ago And then we started our You know Thanksgiving watching a couple years ago, so I've watched it at least two or three times Thanksgiving So I think this is my fourth or fifth time watching it

Haydn Fabre (01:45:27.383)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (01:45:51.465)
I don't know.

Eli Price (01:45:51.49)
And I've always had it as a four and a half star movie, really high. And this time just like digging into it more. I was just like, man, I just love this movie so much. It's it's five stars. It actually moved up to my number three spot as of now and as we're going through. So I have I saw of Grand Budapest at one. We'll see where it goes after we do it for the podcast. But yeah.

Grand Budapest at one, Royal Tenenbaums moved up to number two for me after that viewing, and Mr. Fox with this one jumped to Rushmore, which is saying a lot. All four of those movies are five stars for me.

Haydn Fabre (01:46:28.494)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (01:46:31.966)
Yeah, I think that's my current ranking as well. I think, even though Mr. Fox is my favorite movie of all time, I still recognize that it isn't the best movie ever made. You know, like it's not, it's not any of those amazing movies. Yeah, and I think in his, in the quality of his films, I think that I'm with you with Budapest, Tenenbaums, and then Mr. Fox.

Eli Price (01:46:35.822)
Awesome. Yeah.

Eli Price (01:46:44.04)
Sure.

Yeah, those are different questions, you know.

Eli Price (01:46:57.85)
Yeah, yeah, smart man.

Haydn Fabre (01:47:01.179)
Yeah, I learned from the best.

Eli Price (01:47:02.67)
Yeah. Yeah. So next week, Moonrise Kingdom. So I'm excited about that. We'll have a new guest on for that. So we have that to look forward to. It's been this has been a really fun conversation on Mr. Fox. But now we are going to take a break. So we will see you back after the break with some movie news and our movie draft segment. So see you in a sec.

Eli Price (01:47:34.802)
Sweet. All right, I'm going to.

Haydn Fabre (01:47:38.798)
Good.

Eli Price (01:47:40.786)
Check on Robin and the baby.

Haydn Fabre (01:47:45.049)
I will be here.

Eli Price (01:47:46.703)
And then we'll jump in. This is gonna be a long one. I love it.

Haydn Fabre (01:47:52.514)
Every time I'm in this seat, it's getting long.

Eli Price (01:47:55.426)
Yeah, ours our last one was the shortest one so far though.

Haydn Fabre (01:47:59.411)
Oh, wonderful.

Eli Price (01:48:02.048)
And the one that's releasing Friday is the longest one yet so I Want to say it came out to like two hours and fifty something minutes

Haydn Fabre (01:48:07.286)
How long?

Haydn Fabre (01:48:14.102)
Dang. Yes, this is nothing.

Eli Price (01:48:15.814)
So, yeah. JP. Me and JP just kept talking, I guess. I don't know what happened.

Haydn Fabre (01:48:23.754)
Yeah, we'll take a picture. All right. Yeah.

Eli Price (01:48:24.518)
But I don't really care. I don't know if you know JP.

Haydn Fabre (01:48:29.678)
Oh, this is a different guy than I thought he was.

Eli Price (01:48:31.246)
Yeah, not Jacob. It's a different guy. Jean-Pierre, Bujo, JP. Yeah. Yeah, I posted the preview today. Yep. Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (01:48:36.31)
Oh yeah, I saw you posted him. Yeah. That's fun.

Haydn Fabre (01:48:47.042)
Alright bro, I will be here.

Eli Price (01:48:48.942)
Alright, I'm gonna go check, see how they're doing.

Eli Price (01:54:37.382)
Ahem.

Eli Price (01:54:41.723)
Yo yo yo.

Haydn Fabre (01:54:44.01)
WHAAAAAT?

Eli Price (01:54:49.579)
Sweet.

Eli Price (01:54:54.515)
Oh man.

Eli Price (01:55:00.998)
Well, great. Jump into this Extended Cinematic Universes.

Haydn Fabre (01:55:08.93)
I... ..bring this game... ..and... I'll find some thoughts. I'm exhausted on...

Eli Price (01:55:09.894)
Do you have thoughts?

Eli Price (01:55:14.878)
Yeah, I don't have a lot of thoughts. It's just something to talk about. At the the idea behind both of these was the fact that flash is coming out the weekend this is releasing. So that's just the tie in. I've been trying to find like new released tie ins to kind of like maybe get some keywords in there to boost the traffic. Yeah, I don't know if it'll work.

Haydn Fabre (01:55:38.774)
Yeah, no worries. Let's get ready.

Eli Price (01:55:45.782)
Yeah. You ready for the time travel draft?

Haydn Fabre (01:55:52.334)
I sort of, I just wrote down a bunch of movies. How many are we doing? We're just in seven.

Eli Price (01:55:54.026)
You have? Yeah, I did too. So. I don't know. How many did you write down? Did you write down enough to do seven? Because I did.

Haydn Fabre (01:56:08.703)
I have 11 written down.

Eli Price (01:56:11.004)
Oh man.

I have like 16 or 17.

Haydn Fabre (01:56:16.45)
Yeah, well I didn't write down ones that I knew that you would go for immediately, so like I didn't write down everything overall at once, so I just assumed you would try and grab that immediately.

Eli Price (01:56:24.946)
I wouldn't really thought about that as a time travel.

Haydn Fabre (01:56:27.466)
Yeah, I didn't either, but you know.

Eli Price (01:56:32.895)
Hmm. It's more of like a...

universe travel movie. Yeah, I don't think they really time travel.

Haydn Fabre (01:56:38.002)
Ultra Burst movie. Yeah, when I Google the time track.

Yeah, when I Google times out what it is, it came up. So I was like, I'll mark it down just in case. Yeah. You know, algorithms, they're putting it in.

Eli Price (01:56:47.942)
Really? That came up? Hmm, interesting.

Yeah, I have one written down that like Robin was like, I don't think that counts, but I think it does. But I don't know if I'll draft it or not.

Haydn Fabre (01:57:02.378)
Yeah, we'll see. I've got a wild list of them, so, you know.

Eli Price (01:57:05.206)
I can def- Yeah. It'll be fun. We can dress seven. I can def- Yeah. It'll be fun. We can dress seven.

Haydn Fabre (01:57:10.814)
Okay, cool. We'll do seven and I'll just dig deep into the bag in case I run out on my list.

Eli Price (01:57:12.038)
Let's do it.

Eli Price (01:57:18.538)
Sounds good. Yeah, well we'll jump in in a second who will pause and then I'll do the Intro back in so you ready? All right

Haydn Fabre (01:57:30.935)
Yes, sir.

Eli Price (01:57:39.01)
Hey everyone, welcome back from the break. Me and Hayden are still here, getting ready to jump into our movie news section. So here we are, you know, seven episodes in, I still, I forget every week to see if I can find like a news drop, so I still don't have like the do do do do do do do, but so I'm still having to do it myself, but you know.

Haydn Fabre (01:58:06.574)
Yeah. Do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do

Eli Price (01:58:10.502)
Movie news starting now. But yeah, so that's my terrible attempt at a joke. So if you're out there and you're laughing, you just laughed at a really bad joke. So I don't know how that makes you feel about yourself, but you should feel great about it because bad jokes are funny too. So yeah, movie news, The Flash. That's kind of like the...

Haydn Fabre (01:58:23.67)
I need you to go out of here.

Eli Price (01:58:40.262)
That's the, I guess, pushing force behind the speed force, if you will, behind this movie news topic. But yeah, The Flash is releasing the weekend that this episode is releasing. And so I figured we'd talk a little bit about extended cinematic universes.

Eli Price (01:59:08.114)
our extended cinematic universes, not like we're not defining it for people. They know what it is. But like, why do we have them and are they good? Do we like them? I guess that's the questions we're asking. But yeah. You know.

Haydn Fabre (01:59:22.37)
Yeah. Yeah. I do not like Extended Universes, I don't think. I think I did. I don't think I do anymore. I think that Extended Universes are the best.

Eli Price (01:59:28.835)
Now? Okay.

Okay, why is that? Let me ask you this, why is that? Because, let me preface it with this. I am notorious in our friend group for being an MCU hater, even though I don't like, I don't hate everything the MCU puts out, I'm tired of it, but I don't hate it. But that's kind of like the reputation I have in our friend group is like.

Haydn Fabre (01:59:38.999)
Yes.

Haydn Fabre (01:59:50.839)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:59:57.65)
MCU hater, but you're not in that crew. You're you're still like you still get excited about the new Marvel movies if I'm not mistaken

Haydn Fabre (02:00:03.302)
I don't know. Quantumania was my last straw, and I think it pulled me out. I think I'm done. I don't think so. I don't think so. Unfortunately, no. I was really sad that the raccoon was being abused, but I don't think it was enough to have me buy into the next 30 movies that Marvel's gonna make. I just think that, I think these extended cinematic universes...

Eli Price (02:00:07.07)
Okay. The Guardians didn't pull you back in? Okay.

Haydn Fabre (02:00:31.586)
There's just a level of diminishing returns that start to happen. And the question that I ask every time I watch it is like, are you making a movie because you have a story to tell? Are you making a movie to make money? If you look at something like, uh, you know, like Creed, Creed is not a money grab, Creed was a new and unique story that was made.

Eli Price (02:00:34.946)
Yeah. Yeah.

Eli Price (02:00:45.074)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (02:00:52.258)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Eli Price (02:00:56.878)
Right. And you could argue that's a rocky extended cinematic universe. Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:01:00.854)
That's what I'm saying is, they're not just saying like, well, let's make a seventh Rocky movie because people keep seeing Rocky movies.

Eli Price (02:01:07.854)
Right. There's a degree for sure in making Creed where they were for sure like in their mind they're like This is a franchise a successful franchise You know we want to make They did have something unique to say with creed. I think especially the original one um but uh, but yeah, they there's definitely a There's definitely something there of like we can make more money if we do it this way um

Haydn Fabre (02:01:35.062)
Yeah, because they could have just made a boxing movie, but they made a Rocky adjacent boxing movie, which I don't blame them for. You know, we're in an IP time where IP is king. So go ahead and use it. You know, like I see you have listed on the outline, like Star Trek. I think that the Star Trek reboot with Chris Pine, one of the best reboots we've ever gotten. Like they did a fantastic job.

Eli Price (02:01:37.546)
Right. Right. Yeah, absolutely.

Eli Price (02:01:46.244)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (02:01:57.666)
Yeah, there's a couple of good ones there.

Haydn Fabre (02:02:03.138)
But if they'd just made another sci-fi movie, it probably wouldn't have done as well. But I still think they made that film, if you compare the newest Star Trek trilogy to the newest Star Wars trilogy, the Star Trek trilogy had a heart behind it, and the Star Wars trilogy was to sell toys and make money. And I just thought a lot more of actual storytelling.

Eli Price (02:02:25.454)
Yeah, yeah, I Yeah, you sound like you almost sound like you're you would be with me on the Which I don't think you really have a stance on last Jedi Like that's right. Well reason I like to the last Jedi because they were it was interesting But uh, we're not we're not gonna get into that because I always get already get enough flack for that But yeah, but yeah on Star Wars. I mean Star Wars

Disney has made into kind of this extended cinematic universe with the, you know, and Disney started making it a movie and TV show crossover universe with Marvel and with Star Wars now. And I don't know, to me it's just kind of a... It's overwhelming for one thing. Like...

have to watch all these other things to understand what's happening in this new thing. So there's that element that's just kind of like tiring and overwhelming and it's just a schlug to get through. Like, like I have to watch all these other things to watch this new thing and I guess like there's an audience for it. Like Marvel heads are just always gonna love all the Marvel movies because they just love the the characters.

And the comics and so it's like a new thing with that character. And so it's like they get they're going to get excited about it. But I just wonder, like. The general public, like, is the general public going to get tired? Or are they going to just keep watching them? Because I'm at the point where, like, I still watch all the Marvel movies, because I feel like part of me feels like I have to because I'm so far in.

Haydn Fabre (02:04:07.586)
Yeah, I think there are.

Eli Price (02:04:23.434)
It's probably like an unhealthy like Borderline OCD thing of like I have to finish a thing like if I I don't like to start something and not finish it for stuff like that like Movie universes like I've watched this many Marvel movies. I've got to watch all of them now

Haydn Fabre (02:04:42.526)
Yeah, I just think that I think Marvel movies have taken the place of like the family film and that's the market that they're bleeding off of now. Like if you're going to take your kids to go see a movie and they're not showing any other kids movies around like besides like I think Super Mario Bros is the first movie that was truly like a family movie that wasn't a Marvel film. Yeah, it was great.

Eli Price (02:04:47.621)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:05:04.846)
Yeah, and it did good, man. It hit the billion mark. Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:05:09.802)
I really enjoyed it. It was probably a movie made for seven-year-olds and we haven't had any of those in a really long time. But we just like, continued.

Eli Price (02:05:15.062)
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, or four year olds, my son, you know, my son gave his review on episode one. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you know, it's. I don't know. It's it's just weird, I think. I mean, you think about.

Haydn Fabre (02:05:21.634)
Yeah, on his letterbox account.

Eli Price (02:05:37.874)
So like thinking back in the day you had like the universal monster movies and that was kind of you I guess you could almost think of that as like this extended cinematic universe because there are crossovers sometimes with those movies but it just what I don't know it was it was different back then for one for one you didn't have to see all the other movies to understand what was happening in the new monster movie.

Um, even though there were like, sometimes, you know, overlapping monsters, like you didn't necessarily have to watch the other ones. I feel like it's sort of similar with like the Kong Godzilla stuff happening right now. Like you could probably go watch whatever new Kong Godzilla movie comes out and just enjoy it for what it is. And maybe there's a few things.

with characters that like you didn't know because you haven't seen the previous ones but you can still like enjoy it because it's... yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:06:42.846)
Yeah, see, I love those movies. I have so much fun with those movies. I think they're bad, but I have so much fun with them because when I hopped into Godzilla versus Kong, I didn't need to know which one of the monsters he fought in Godzilla King of Monsters was the toughest to know that monkey versus lizard, let's go.

Eli Price (02:06:47.194)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:07:02.754)
Right. Yeah, I didn't see the Kong school island or I didn't see that one, but I'll I saw cong versus godzilla because it's kind of feels like a movie where you just When I hear there's a movie coming out. That's king kong versus godzilla. I'm like, well, i've got to see it I've got to see what happens Right Right

Haydn Fabre (02:07:07.714)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:07:21.95)
It doesn't matter what happens in it, it doesn't matter what happened before it, because it's just big monsters beating up big monsters. And like, you know, from someone who just finished saying, tell a story, like don't make a movie unless you actually have a story to tell. They're not really telling a story there, but claiming to try to. And that's the thing is Marvel, specifically, every movie they come out, they're like, oh, this is going to be the next installation of the epic saga. It's continuing.

Eli Price (02:07:30.034)
All right.

Eli Price (02:07:39.702)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:07:51.05)
And then it just isn't like either.

Eli Price (02:07:52.687)
And that was my problem that was one of my problems with guardians like the new guardians volume 3, you know You know, I know you liked it and the other people in our little like movie friend group here in town, they all really liked it and I just felt like it was like It was like forcing me to feel emotion like

We know we have been like letting you down as far as like having some emotional stakes and so like here you go sad puppy eye raccoon. I'm like OK but like. Yeah here's the sad puppy eye raccoon that actually doesn't have any agency in the movie he's just in a coma and doesn't actually get to decide what he's going to be and do he just everyone tells him still what to do. I don't know I just felt like.

Haydn Fabre (02:08:27.991)
Yeah.

No, I get that.

Eli Price (02:08:48.938)
It was like really cheap emotional. Um, and.

Haydn Fabre (02:08:52.234)
Yeah, really, I think what I enjoyed most about it is that it was self-contained. Is it trying to set up the next thing and like... My description of it in my review was that it's like a ham sandwich with Doritos at the end of a day of fishing. It's not even that good of a meal, but you're so hungry because you haven't had anything that isn't setting up the next thing or trying to be bigger than it is that you're just like...

Eli Price (02:08:58.673)
Yeah.

Yeah, I appreciated that it was mostly, yeah, that, for sure.

Eli Price (02:09:13.429)
Right, yeah I saw that.

Haydn Fabre (02:09:21.946)
Oh my gosh, funny characters in a halfway compelling plot. Yeah, I'm in. Yeah.

Eli Price (02:09:27.843)
Yeah. Yeah. And Quantum Mania just was like. I was so tired by the end of that movie of like watching it. And it's it sucks because there was some like fun, I guess, CGI stuff happening like it was definitely like. Marvel's Marvel Studios attempt at like Star Wars. But like not as interesting to me. But yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:09:30.995)
Yeah, I don't even know what was...

Haydn Fabre (02:09:49.65)
Yeah. Space.

Eli Price (02:09:55.762)
I don't know, there's... The DCEU is tired at this point and they haven't even really had any success. But the studio is just such a mess that it's already wearing out its welcome. So it will be interesting to see what happens with the Flash. Is the Flash going to revitalize this DC...

Haydn Fabre (02:09:56.798)
underwhelming plot.

Eli Price (02:10:26.374)
Extended universe or you know, I don't know it'll be interesting to see what happens with that you obviously, you know We talked in our summer movie preview Movie news section few episodes ago just about The kind of like gray cloud and hovering over the movie that is Ezra Miller But like I was never gonna see the flash movie because Ezra Miller was in it anyway

Haydn Fabre (02:10:48.012)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:10:54.898)
could have been anyone and I'm gonna see it because he's my favorite DC character and so I'm gonna see the flash movie but yeah I just I guess the question at the end of the day is like how long can these extended universe movies last and I'm just not sure I don't know the pessimistic side of me is just things

Haydn Fabre (02:11:01.59)
Yeah. That's, I'm gonna see.

Eli Price (02:11:26.266)
You know, materialistic capitalist society and people were just going to keep showing out money to see these movies. Um, the optimistic side of me thinks like, I think maybe people will get tired of them and like the art will shift into like something else may be problematic in a different way, but at least it'll be a new problem, you know?

Haydn Fabre (02:11:56.962)
Yeah, I think it might, you know, half baked opinion is I think it's going to end up with a reputation similar to comic books. We saw when comic books first entered the scene, there was such a big deal, but then you had to read 100 volumes to catch up to wherever was currently happening that they eventually just isolated themselves. And it was the comic book readers versus the rest of the readers. There was no casual comic book readers, you had to be all of you. And I think we're going to get to that point where there's

it's gonna be hard to casually watch MCU movies. Because especially like, I mean like I'm in middle school ministry and my sixth graders are students that are born in 2012. You know, they were not alive whenever the first Iron Man came out. And they're not gonna sit down and watch 30 movies to catch up to what's happening, so.

Eli Price (02:12:30.063)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:12:42.951)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (02:12:47.375)
Alright.

Eli Price (02:12:52.069)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:12:52.158)
Eventually, there's just going to be a generational disconnect because they didn't grow up with it and they don't care about it anymore

Eli Price (02:12:57.654)
Yeah, I guess that's I guess that's the best thing about. Gen Z for me is hopefully they will make Marvel the MCU die.

Haydn Fabre (02:13:10.314)
Yeah, you see the chosen generation prophesied the downfall of Marvel.

Eli Price (02:13:14.694)
This is... yeah. And this has been your... This has been your cynical movie news section. Uh... Yeah. I don't... I don't really have, like, an opinion other than... There's... Anytime there's an Extended Universe movie and just a new interesting movie, I'm always gonna choose the new interesting movie.

Haydn Fabre (02:13:23.466)
Yeah, literally. Just cause it's late. It's late and I'm scared to be cool.

Eli Price (02:13:44.122)
that's unique or just not a movie where it has to be connected to a million other things. So I don't know, but I will see the flash. And this is kind of like my segue into the, our movie draft section, just like knowing I've seen enough, like talk about the movie and like one of the trailers where I know what storyline they're doing. They're doing flash point.

Haydn Fabre (02:13:52.887)
there with you.

Haydn Fabre (02:14:13.706)
Yeah. Jai Vaisthu. I'm-

Eli Price (02:14:13.722)
So I'm sorry if I spoiled that for people that have been avoiding flash talk, and I just ruined it for you. I don't, yeah, I don't really feel that bad. But Flashpoint is like my favorite Flash storyline. And it involves some time travel. Like Flash moves so fast, he can travel in time. And so it, well, it does.

Haydn Fabre (02:14:20.386)
Just don't mess with me.

Haydn Fabre (02:14:37.886)
Isn't it any of this, physically speaking, or whatever? No, I don't. I trust you. I trust you. Makes as much sense as Tenet.

Eli Price (02:14:42.222)
It does. Trust me, it does. It makes sense. Yeah. But, uh, yeah, well, that was my segue. I I am looking forward to the Flash movie. I hope they move on from Ezra Miller. I'll just say that out loud so that people aren't thinking that I'm one of these like weird studio heads that's like praising Ezra Miller. Like maybe he's good at acting or maybe not.

but they definitely should move on from them. Just making that known, that's my opinion, before people come after me. But yeah, I'm interested to see what they do with it. I'm excited about it just because I'm a fan of the character. But yeah, our movie draft section is related to that in the sense of time travel, because today we are doing a draft of

Time travel movies. We were very fun. Ooh. Yeah, so I didn't really put when I sent this to Hayden. I just said time travel movies. I didn't really put like any hard line stipulations on it. I just said time travel movies. So I guess we you know, he could have interpreted this however he wanted to but yeah, we're gonna

Haydn Fabre (02:16:03.211)
Oh well.

Eli Price (02:16:09.234)
We're gonna do it. I will say Hayden, this happens when you come on as a second guest. You don't get the first pick this time just because you're a guest.

Haydn Fabre (02:16:18.134)
If you tried to offer it to me, I would throw it back to you. So I... Yes. Please take it.

Eli Price (02:16:21.366)
You got the first pick last time. I'm taking the first pick this time. But yeah, our movie draft, my go to explanation, if this is your first listen to this segment, is this is, you know, for for foot for sports people, this is, you know, you're drafting the best players and once they're drafted, they're off the board. So if you get that reference, great. If not, this is.

picking your kickball team in the playground, at the playground. You know, you don't want the sucky players first. You want to pick the best players to be on your team and you want your team to win because we're going to put this to a poll, see what the people think. Hayden, I think Hayden, I think I like barely squeaked out a win against you in the last poll, but it was, it was.

Haydn Fabre (02:16:55.054)
I'm going to go ahead and turn it off.

Haydn Fabre (02:17:02.51)
Best player.

Haydn Fabre (02:17:15.874)
You were triumph now first.

Eli Price (02:17:20.038)
close enough where like a couple more hours you could have pulled back ahead.

Haydn Fabre (02:17:23.478)
Yeah, but you won with the last Jedi, so that's a feat in itself.

Eli Price (02:17:26.522)
That is, that is. Yes, absolutely. So I'm gonna take the first pick this time. So I'm gonna come out with the, I'm coming out of the gate, like blazing like a pine cone in Whackbat. And I am picking Back to the Future. The, you know.

Haydn Fabre (02:17:35.374)
Please, just go for it.

Haydn Fabre (02:17:47.619)
Yes.

Eli Price (02:17:54.326)
It's probably not, it's not my favorite of all the ones that I wrote down for sure, but it's, it is the definitive time travel movie and I feel like I have, like if you have the number one pick you have to take back to the future.

Haydn Fabre (02:18:09.258)
I agree. I think it's just, it's the number one. It's the, it's the time travel movie. Maybe not the best, but it's the-

Eli Price (02:18:14.146)
It's a great movie. It's so f- It's a great fun movie.

Haydn Fabre (02:18:18.783)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:18:23.898)
Where you going? Number two. Pick number two.

Haydn Fabre (02:18:25.854)
Um, well, it's a tough spot.

Haydn Fabre (02:18:31.094)
I'm torn here. So I'm just gonna go for it. I'm gonna take the movie that, when I first got into movies, it was one of my favorite movies. It sat up at the number one spot for a good while. I'm gonna take Interstellar.

Eli Price (02:18:44.546)
That was a gut punch. That was a cut.

Haydn Fabre (02:18:46.754)
Terribly sorry to take your Christopher Nolan love, but a movie that uses time travel in probably the most rational way without just assuming the rules or the way they are and the fact that time travel in Interstellar is not reversible. Can't go back and fix it, just heart breaking stuff.

Eli Price (02:19:06.882)
Yeah. Yeah. Man. Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:19:13.878)
Number two for you.

Eli Price (02:19:17.218)
I Probably would have taken that next. I love interstellar. It's it's so good man Matthew McConaughey He gets me every time Man I don't know where to go next I have like I have a couple of movies that like

Eli Price (02:19:42.81)
I'll just I guess I'll go ahead and take like the cinephile pick and go with 2001 of Space Odyssey. I rewatched this recently and man it's just like it's a masterpiece of a movie. Like it's not for everyone. It's not a movie I would just like be like hey you need you like if you're getting into movies and you want to really get into movies then like.

Haydn Fabre (02:19:49.009)
Mm-hmm.

Haydn Fabre (02:19:52.627)
one

Eli Price (02:20:09.954)
After you've been into movies for a while, then go watch 2001. But it's not a movie I would recommend to someone who isn't interested in getting really into movies. Because it's, there's not a whole lot going on in this movie, but it's visually like just masterful, incredible. But yeah, there's some time travel in it in the sense that you don't know where you are in the end of the movie.

time-wise like something happens not gonna give it away it's a very trippy scene and there's definitely some moving into the future sort of thing happening but yeah 2001 a space Odyssey Stanley Kubrick's masterpiece

Eli Price (02:20:58.81)
Where you going with the number three pick?

Haydn Fabre (02:20:59.798)
I love it. This is actually my number two pick, since you went first. Oh, number three overall, excuse me. Number three overall, number four overall, right? And number two, my book. It's all right. It's late, we're both wrong. I'm gonna, I'm gonna take, I'm gonna dip into the, dip out of the science fiction and dip into the soft science fiction, dip into the comedy, if you will. And I'm gonna take.

Eli Price (02:21:04.026)
Well, the number three overall.

Hehehe

Eli Price (02:21:13.242)
You're right. I... We were both wrong. Gosh.

Eli Price (02:21:28.23)
Let's do it. Okay. I thought you were going somewhere else.

Haydn Fabre (02:21:29.058)
Groundhog Day. Form two. Oh no.

Eli Price (02:21:35.974)
But Groundhog Day is a great pick.

Haydn Fabre (02:21:37.79)
I love me some Groundhog Day.

Eli Price (02:21:39.866)
You got the Bill Murray relevant to the Wes Anderson series we're doing. Yeah. Badger himself. It's too bad they didn't make him a groundhog in Fantastic Mr. Fox.

Haydn Fabre (02:21:44.843)
Yeah, absolutely.

Haydn Fabre (02:21:54.378)
Yeah, that would have been a great little callback.

Eli Price (02:21:56.554)
Yeah. But, uh, yeah. It's been a long time since I've seen Groundhog Day.

Haydn Fabre (02:21:58.422)
I want you to get it at number three. Number five overall.

Eli Price (02:22:08.026)
So I probably need to watch it again to really have an opinion on it. Yeah, I believe you. So we decided on seven movies, right? Okay.

Haydn Fabre (02:22:11.85)
It holds up. It really does. It's just a great

Haydn Fabre (02:22:19.646)
seven movies, which is a lot of time travel.

Eli Price (02:22:23.298)
It is a lot of time travel movies. I've got to fit in. I'm going to get a good array of types of movies. Man, I know where I'm going next. I'm going with...

Bill and Ted's excellent adventure.

Haydn Fabre (02:22:38.71)
Dang it man, I wanted to steal that one late round.

Eli Price (02:22:42.672)
I love villain. It's such a it's a hilarious movie like

Haydn Fabre (02:22:46.926)
I'm assuming you're taking excellent adventure and not bogus journey or face the music.

Eli Price (02:22:50.29)
Right, Excellent Adventure, the original, Bill and Ted. It's the best one. Yeah, it's, you know, Keanu Reeves and blanking on the other guy's name as as Bill and Ted, these like goofy kind of idiots. They're they're kind of just like dumb idiots that are trying to write a history paper.

Haydn Fabre (02:22:52.845)
Wonderful.

Haydn Fabre (02:23:03.19)
Yeah, I'll leave that in there.

Haydn Fabre (02:23:11.595)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:23:20.562)
and happen upon a time machine because strange things are afoot at the circle K. And yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:23:31.062)
So crazy. The boys.

Eli Price (02:23:34.882)
Let's let's let's just say their history paper knocks it out of the park. Yeah. Yeah, Bill and Ted. Great movie. That's that's my third pick. Fifth overall. But yeah, where are you going with the next pick, Hayden?

Haydn Fabre (02:23:39.67)
Yeah, phenomenal presentation.

Haydn Fabre (02:23:54.302)
Next pick I'm gonna go back to a little bit of sci-fi this movie I One of it was one of the first movie that really challenged me to look deeper into movies than what they are service level It's a movie that I think is wholly underrated And I'm gonna know go with Denis Villeneuve's arrival

Eli Price (02:24:14.954)
Okay, see this is the movie that my wife told me did not count as time travel. I agree. I agree.

Haydn Fabre (02:24:19.87)
No, it absolutely counts. It's things going back in time to reveal pieces of time travel history and the ability to see other points in time.

Eli Price (02:24:31.65)
Yeah, you're literally learning. Well, okay. I'm not gonna give away because this is let's try not to make this too. Spoilery but uh

Haydn Fabre (02:24:38.446)
Sorry. Sorry. You're listening to the podcast, you've just seen Arrival, go watch it tonight. What are you doing? Yes.

Eli Price (02:24:43.854)
Yeah, just go watch it. We won't say anything else about it because man, is it good.

Haydn Fabre (02:24:49.102)
just aliens in time, it's just great. And then Jeremy Revere, not hit by a snowplow, it's great.

Eli Price (02:24:56.706)
Okay, where will I go next? Because you've taken two of the ones that are like, top of my, like towards the top of my list.

Haydn Fabre (02:25:07.01)
Well so have you, Elex, there's not that many content.

Eli Price (02:25:09.758)
OK, OK. OK. I am going to go with. Palm Springs, it's Andy Sandberg comedy. It's a it's kind of like a riff on Groundhog Day. And I actually like I said, I need to rewatch Groundhog Day to have a good opinion. But I like this more than I remember liking Groundhog Day. It's I think it's a Hulu movie.

Haydn Fabre (02:25:18.19)
Great.

Haydn Fabre (02:25:24.203)
Yes.

Haydn Fabre (02:25:33.698)
Yeah. I love

Haydn Fabre (02:25:39.732)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (02:25:39.878)
So it's probably on who you can probably go watch it on Hulu, but it's Andy Samberg. Forget the actress. I would have to pull up the letterbox for IMDB page to remember. But but yeah, it's it's a really funny movie. And I feel like it has.

You know, Groundhog Day is all like Bill Murray, like it's about his character. And I feel like you get a little bit more like character dynamic with the female and the relationship with this one. Um, so, um, and it's just, I think it's funnier, but maybe just because it was made by closer to my generation. So like a lot of the jokes are more like for me than Groundhog Day was. Um, but yeah, I do believe Groundhog Day still holds up, but.

I liked Palm Springs a lot. It was a very funny movie. You get in that day loop where you're waking up, you, you know, die or whatever, and you wake up and it's the same day over and over.

Haydn Fabre (02:26:43.114)
And it's got J.K. Simmons, and anything that has J.K. Simmons just beats to the top of my list in general. My number four pick, I'm gonna take yet another Groundhog Day-esque film. I'm gonna take a completely slept on film that I believe is just one of the most fun science fiction films that have come out in the past.

Eli Price (02:26:46.906)
Oh yeah.

Eli Price (02:26:52.731)
All right.

Eli Price (02:27:01.115)
know where you're going.

Haydn Fabre (02:27:11.094)
decade and I'm going to take Edge of Tomorrow, the Tom Cruise and Emily Blunt film about an alien invasion where the Nexus brain whatever ends up tied up to Tom Cruise and he gets to relive the same day over and over again to figure out how to save humanity. It was a fun time man.

Eli Price (02:27:13.85)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:27:30.006)
Yeah, great movie. It's super fun. It's a really fun movie. And that's so I was struggling to pick this or Palm Springs. I went Palm Springs. I probably should have went this first. Yeah, yeah, I want the comedy route. So yeah, for sure. I've got to come to straight comedies in a row. So I've got to get some.

Haydn Fabre (02:27:43.902)
It's two sides of the same coin, right? It's like one-hug day in spring. Yeah. Palm Springs has got that level of rewatchability that's just.

Haydn Fabre (02:28:00.046)
some drama school.

Eli Price (02:28:01.475)
Gotta get serious here. So what am I going to do? That's the question. There's a movie I should probably take to pander to the crowd that is just not. A favorite of mine, like it is for some people. It's.

Haydn Fabre (02:28:21.998)
If it's what, hopefully it's not the one that I see on my list because I'm in that crowd, if it is, but just make your pick.

Eli Price (02:28:30.106)
Um, it's... I don't know. You know what? I'm just throwing the seriousness out the window. I don't think you'll probably take... I don't even... I bet this isn't even on your list, but I don't even care because I love it. It's my favorite Christmas movie, The Muppet Christmas Carol.

Haydn Fabre (02:28:50.754)
The Muppet Chris, I didn't know it was a time travel.

Eli Price (02:28:53.69)
Well, yeah, you know, he traveled, you know, the the ghosts of Christmas pass, ghosts of Christmas present, ghosts of ghosts of Christmas yet to come. So, yeah, it's he's he's traveling through time, seeing what's happening in the past and the future. Yes. So but but of all the of all the Christmas Carol adaptations, the Muppet Christmas Carol is the best. And I think right up there with a Christmas story is

Haydn Fabre (02:28:57.874)
Oh yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:29:03.082)
I didn't even think about it.

Eli Price (02:29:23.194)
the best Christmas movie and I love it. It's hilarious. You have Con- Gonzo pretending that he is in he is you know in actuality Charles Dickens as the narrator. Man I love him up at Christmas Carol and like you know it's now revealed that it wasn't on your list but

I don't care. I'm taking it. I could have taken it last, but I love it too much to leave it for last. Yeah. Where you going next?

Haydn Fabre (02:29:57.503)
Yeah.

Give it a high spot.

Haydn Fabre (02:30:05.11)
From my number five pick, I'm gonna go Tenet. Tenet is maybe not the most highly acclaimed movie that Nolan has put out about. Time travel, but I walked into that theater feeling like I could fly. It was just, it's so visually interesting and even though the temporal time pincer move, whatever, at the end makes no sense at all.

Eli Price (02:30:10.032)
Okay.

Eli Price (02:30:28.046)
Yes.

Haydn Fabre (02:30:34.922)
It's just one of the coolest action scenes I've ever seen on film. So Tenet is locked in from

Eli Price (02:30:41.794)
You know, I bet there's a director's cut out there that has, you know, a five minute scene of someone explaining that so that it does make sense. But not that you might have been able to hear it, but yeah, this tenet is actually a movie I didn't hate. I I was positive on it. It's probably my least favorite Nolan movie, but I've only seen it once. And it's one that kind of begs to be seen again.

Haydn Fabre (02:30:49.462)
That's all we needed. That's all we needed.

Haydn Fabre (02:30:55.835)
Yeah. Yeah.

Eli Price (02:31:10.346)
I've wanted to watch it again since I saw it in theaters, and I just haven't been able to yet It really is there's a lot of cool cool stuff visually going on

Haydn Fabre (02:31:15.242)
It's just visually so fun. It's just.

Haydn Fabre (02:31:20.998)
reverse bungee doesn't make any sense but man it's cool like pulling bullets through the wall I don't mean it's just fun

Eli Price (02:31:29.598)
Yeah, I agree. I agree. Um, man, uh, this is tough. Uh.

Haydn Fabre (02:31:38.187)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:31:42.278)
So.

Eli Price (02:31:45.586)
Man. Yeah, OK. I'm going with this one. I am a fan of this franchise in general. The movies aren't the best in the world, but this movie is probably my favorite of all of them. And I'm going to go with Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban. Yeah, it's.

Haydn Fabre (02:32:09.273)
Ah, incredible.

Eli Price (02:32:13.582)
You've got a masterful director directing this one, which I think is probably why it's my favorite. But yeah, you've got, you know, Hermione with the little time necklace thing. Going back in time over and over to catch new classes, and then it comes into play at the end. Which, man, I read the books, I actually read the books through all of them a couple of years ago. I didn't read them as kids. I wrote.

Haydn Fabre (02:32:25.622)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:32:42.618)
Read them as an adult and it's it's a great series of books and I enjoy the movies a good bit, too. But this is definitely, I think, the the best just movie wise of all of them. And the time travel aspect of it, you know, coming into play is really fun and like interesting in the way that they work. Weave it into the narrative. So I'm going to go with that. And, you know.

It's one that, you know, if you're gonna take a Harry Potter movie, you might as well take the best one, you know?

Haydn Fabre (02:33:19.83)
Yeah, great pick, great pick. For number six, I'm going to take a film that I watched over and over again when I was a kid because it was on FX. It was an ultimate dad movie. It is a dirty, grungy and fast-paced movie from the creator of

Eli Price (02:33:36.954)
Okay?

Haydn Fabre (02:33:48.814)
Top Gun and Man on Fire, I'm going to take Deja Vu, Denzel Washington dad movie about a terrorist attack on a ferry full of Marines that Denzel has to use crazy technology to go back and figure out how it happened. And I've never met anyone else who is fond of this movie, but it's the sixth pick and it's so much fun.

Eli Price (02:33:53.366)
All right.

Eli Price (02:34:16.182)
I remember seeing it. So when did this movie come out?

Yeah 2006 that sounds about right because

Haydn Fabre (02:34:22.468)
2006. So the peak of wild, fast-paced Tony Scott movies.

Eli Price (02:34:28.418)
Yeah, it came out like I was in high school when it came out. And so I remember watching it. I didn't see it in theaters, so it was probably like 2007 before I saw it. But I remember liking it when I was in high school. I don't know what I would think about it now. And I don't remember anything about it other than Denzel.

Haydn Fabre (02:34:50.636)
It's right in between Man on Fire and Unstoppable, the train movie. It's just a blend of all those things together.

Eli Price (02:34:55.748)
Okay.

Eli Price (02:34:59.266)
Yeah. Even if the movie sucks, if I were to go back and watch it, I'm like, oh, this sucks. Which no offense to you, but Denzel would probably still be great.

Haydn Fabre (02:35:09.266)
It's a well it's I call those movies Mountain Dew movies okay because I believe that there's good movies there's bad movies and there's Mountain Dew movies. Mountain Dew if I've got a list my top five sort of it's not in my top five but every now and then a good Mountain Dew hits you know. When you're hitting out with your bros, pop a Mountain Dew that's this movie Deja Vu.

Eli Price (02:35:16.451)
Yeah, okay.

Eli Price (02:35:25.167)
All right, I hear you.

Eli Price (02:35:32.218)
Hey, if that works for you, that works for you, you know? I don't hate it. I remember liking it when I was in high school, and so I have no opinion on it now, so I can't hate on it. Where are we at? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. Is this my last pick? Good grief. Oh, man.

Haydn Fabre (02:35:36.61)
and stay.

Haydn Fabre (02:35:47.15)
This is your final paper. I think this is your last video.

Haydn Fabre (02:35:54.862)
Choose wisely. I've got a wild last pick though, so don't worry. I don't know. I mean, I am.

Eli Price (02:35:58.65)
Ooh, wild. Should I go wild with my last pick?

Eli Price (02:36:06.726)
Man. So.

Haydn Fabre (02:36:07.466)
I had a list of 11 films and all of them except for two are gone and I don't like one of them.

Eli Price (02:36:13.026)
Yeah, so I have one that I could go with that I remember enjoying, but I hardly remember anything about the movie other than like the actors that are in it. And I don't know if that's where you're going. Probably not by the sound of it. But I don't think I'm going to go with that one. I'm going to go. So part of the fun of this is people hearing about movies.

Maybe that they've never seen before and you know having the chance to go watch it and so Maybe this will turn some people on to some More getting into some more foreign films. I'm gonna go with Wong Kar-Wise 2046 So if you're listening to this and Yes, so there you go, that's part of the reason we do this

Haydn Fabre (02:37:04.607)
never

Eli Price (02:37:10.082)
I could have went with My Other Choice, which you've almost certainly heard of, but instead I'm giving you something you've never heard of. Wong Kar-Wai, Chinese director, Hong Kong director, probably most well known for the movie In the Mood for Love. And 2046 is actually sort of a sequel to In the Mood for Love.

remember watching it and not realizing until way later into the movie that it was, oh, this is related to end the move for love somehow. Um, but, uh, Wong Kar-Wai is a very like, I wouldn't recommend seeing this movie first of his, like there's some other ones that you should probably watch. Like, uh, like I think is the one you should see if you're getting into him is, uh, Chungking express.

I think that's a really good introduction to Wong Kar Wai. But In the Mood for Love is a masterpiece movie for me and I love In the Mood for Love. It's a visually just incredible movie. 2046 I don't love as much but it's still a very interesting movie. The reason it's a time travel movie is because...

He talks about It's very Moncar why has a very like poetic Narration sort of thing that he does in his movies And so you hear like the kind of main character narrating and talking about this train That you that you can everyone wants to take this train to 2046 and it you get on this train It's kind of like this dreamy reliving of past loves

but also like that you get that he's like remembering or like you're not really sure if he's remembering it or if it really is this like sci-fi like train where he's going back and experiencing it again. But also like 2046 is that this idea of this place and time that you can go to. That's like was impactful for you or like meant something in your like love.

Eli Price (02:39:35.69)
life or whatever. It's hard to explain, but because it's a very visual movie, so it's hard to explain with words. But yeah, it's got that time travel kind of, it's a stretch, I guess, on the time travel thing in a similar way that Arrival would be maybe. But I'm counting it and hopefully this turns some people on to Wong Kar Wai, who is

probably just one of the best living directors that we have right now. So yeah, 2046. That's my wild off the wall pick that no one's ever heard of that will probably hurt me in the, in the poll.

Haydn Fabre (02:40:10.837)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:40:19.01)
Well, you know, I'm gonna counter your wild off the wall pic that nobody's probably ever heard of with a very similar wild off the wall pic that perhaps a little bit more people, because it is an English film, have heard of. And I'm going to take Sam Raimi's Army of Darkness, part of this film. You are.

Eli Price (02:40:24.995)
Okay.

Eli Price (02:40:37.43)
Okay, yeah. Yeah, I'm aware of it. I haven't seen it, but I would like to.

Haydn Fabre (02:40:44.91)
It brings me so much joy. I love Sam Raimi. I love the Evil Dead and the Evil Dead 2. And this film is just phenomenal. Bruce Campbell, my boy, is accidentally transported in his car with his chainsaw hand, with his boomstick shotgun to 1300 AD, where he has to borrow skeletons.

Eli Price (02:41:10.907)
Okay.

Haydn Fabre (02:41:13.182)
and save princesses to secure the Necronomicon so that he can get home.

Eli Price (02:41:19.994)
I love it. If you've never seen a Sam Raimi film, just so Sam Raimi directed the Multiverse of Madness Doctor Strange movie. So more people have probably seen that that are listening than Army of Darkness or one of his other films. So just imagine the strangest, most weird, uncomfortable parts of Multiverse of Madness and just take that and expand it over a whole movie.

Haydn Fabre (02:41:20.918)
The tagline

Haydn Fabre (02:41:30.402)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:41:49.174)
Yeah, that's Sam Raimi. I love Sam Raimi, he makes me happy. The tagline for this film says, Trapped in time, surrounded by evil, low on gas. I need to say any more? Just wonderful. And Evan, if you're listening to this, this pic is for you, my buddy Evan Taylor. I bought him a t-shirt that had the Army of Darkness thing on it, the graphic on it for his birthday. So this is for you.

Eli Price (02:41:49.354)
And that's a Sam Raimi film. Yeah.

Eli Price (02:42:01.814)
love it. Yeah. Yeah, that's great.

Eli Price (02:42:15.27)
poster. Yeah. Yeah. Shout out to Evan. I don't know Evan, but shout out. Yeah. That's great. Okay. So. Before I'm going to read off our picks in a second, but we'll mentions you might have some to looper was one that was the other one I was thinking about there at the end.

Haydn Fabre (02:42:22.762)
Shout out to them.

Eli Price (02:42:45.878)
older and younger versions of the same character kind of thing going on. It's an interesting movie. I like Rian Johnson. He makes interesting films. I think they're fun. But I don't remember a whole lot about it, so I didn't pick it. But I do remember enjoying it. It's a Wonderful Life is one that...

I was talking about that. I'm not as big a fan of, but I know some people just adore it. Um, but it's definitely got some time travel aspects to it.

I've always thought of it as like just a an extended Twilight Zone episode. That's kind of what it feels like. But yeah, it's a wonderful life looper. And, you know, some superhero ones like Watchmen and X-Men Days of Future Past, which is probably one of the better X-Men movies. Those are some good honorable mentions, I think.

Did you have any that I didn't mention?

Haydn Fabre (02:43:58.283)
Yeah. Yeah, so on my way back from Europe, I watched 65, Adam Driver's new film.

Eli Price (02:44:01.463)
Yeah, yeah.

Eli Price (02:44:07.426)
Oh, hold on. Refresh the page.

Eli Price (02:44:26.095)
Okay, yeah, you're back.

Haydn Fabre (02:44:26.847)
I'm back. Hopefully I'm good now. Okay, yeah, you're back. Okay, great. Yeah, 65, that's what I was saying. Honorable mention, Adam Driver's new film, 65. Hold on, Hayden. Okay, sorry. There's some Echo stuff going on. Echo. Hopefully it's not in the recording. Yeah. Oh, wait. What happened? Recording time.

Eli Price (02:44:36.518)
Hold on Hayden, there's some echo stuff going on. Hopefully it's not.

Haydn Fabre (02:44:57.407)
Hold on, I'm gonna have to refresh too. Cool. Be right back.

Haydn Fabre (02:45:17.759)
Okay, cool. Back. Yeah, there's still some echo happening for me, but I don't think it'll be in the recording.

Eli Price (02:45:17.828)
Okay, cool.

Yeah, there's still some echo happening for me, but I don't think it'll be in the recording.

Haydn Fabre (02:45:27.936)
But uh...

Eli Price (02:45:28.014)
But uh...

Haydn Fabre (02:45:33.239)
Yeah, you just jump back into your thing. Great. A couple of honorable mentions. Time travel movies that didn't quite make it into my top seven, but were, you know, I watched them recently. Adam Driver 65, the new movie where he gets shot back in time on a colony ship. Okay. And has to fight dinosaurs. You know, it gave me like after earth vibes, but not as bad, you know, but still, I guess, I guess giving up.

Eli Price (02:45:33.302)
Yeah, you just jump back into your thing.

Eli Price (02:45:51.737)
Okay.

Haydn Fabre (02:46:05.64)
That one was fun. The Time Machine, H.G. Wells' film. He obviously didn't direct it, but H.G. Wells' The Time Machine. Such a weird look at time travel. Okay, I've never seen that. That's a time travel movie, right? It is. They go back in time. He looks at his butt. That's my least favorite aspect of it. Yeah, but it happened. And then...

Eli Price (02:46:17.963)
Okay, I've never seen that.

It is. That's my least favorite aspect of it, but...

Haydn Fabre (02:46:33.635)
Sorry, my brain just.

Did you mention 65? Yeah, 65. Yeah Oh The Jake Gyllenhaal one what's it called Donnie Darko source code the other one Donnie Darko Oh source code source code when they're on like the plane the train and he keeps like Groundhog Day in the train and that one's fun Yeah Yeah, neither of us mentioned Terminator movies Yeah, I Just it's been so long since I've seen them

Eli Price (02:46:38.075)
Did you mention 65? Yeah

Eli Price (02:46:47.694)
Donnie Darko. Oh, source code.

Eli Price (02:46:55.746)
Yeah. Yeah. Neither of us mentioned Terminator movies either. Yeah. So. I just it's been so long since I've seen them. I feel like I can't pick them. So.

Haydn Fabre (02:47:07.843)
I feel like I can't pick them. Yeah, I did definitely subbed out Judgement Day from one of these. That's a kind of pass. Yeah. So people will probably hate us for leaving that off. Yeah, they'll be like, what's wrong with you? And they'll be like, we were listening. We were thinking 21st century and close. Whatever. All right, so I'm going to read back our final picks, and then we'll end with some recommendation of the.

Eli Price (02:47:13.526)
Yeah. So people will probably hate us for leaving that off.

Eli Price (02:47:24.614)
Hehehe

All right, so we yeah, I'm going to read back our final picks and then we'll end with some recommendation of the week. Yeah, I picked Back to the Future 2001, A Space Odyssey, Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure, Palm Springs, Muppet Christmas Carol, Harry Potter and the Prisoner of AXKaban.

Haydn Fabre (02:47:37.851)
week. Yeah, I picked Back to the Future, 2001 A Space Odyssey, Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure, Palm Springs, Muppet Christmas Carol, Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Axe Command, 2046. Those are my picks. Hayden, you had Interstellar, Groundhog

Eli Price (02:47:56.198)
2046. Those are my picks. Hayden, you had Interstellar, Groundhog Day, Arrival, Edge of Tomorrow, Tenet, Deja Vu, and Army of Darkness. Love it. Alright.

Haydn Fabre (02:48:07.883)
Deja Vu and Army of Darkness. Woo! Love it. Wonderful.

Haydn Fabre (02:48:17.707)
Did you prepare a recommendation of the week?

Eli Price (02:48:17.774)
Did you prepare a recommendation of the week?

Haydn Fabre (02:48:22.37)
I did have it.

Haydn Fabre (02:48:26.391)
Find it. I'm thinking I'm digging in my brain for it. I was gonna say just watch succession again But I said that last time I was on so I can't say that's true I would say

Eli Price (02:48:26.426)
Find it.

Eli Price (02:48:34.648)
That's true.

Haydn Fabre (02:48:44.899)
You can just clip to whatever I actually say. Okay, here's what I'll do mine. Okay, you do yours. I had one. Because I'm winging it too. Because I didn't actually think of something before. Great. But I talked about the Criterion collection. Yeah. Like the Criterion collection, physical copies of these Wes Anderson movies that I've been watching. And they've just been really insightful and a lot of cool stuff going on in there.

Eli Price (02:48:46.822)
Okay, here's, I'll do mine. Cause I'm, I'm winging it too. Cause I didn't actually think of something before. But I talked about the Criterion collection. Um, like the Criterion collection physical copies of these Wes Anderson movies that I've been watching. And uh, they've just been really insightful and a lot of cool stuff going on in there. Uh, just with the extra features.

Haydn Fabre (02:49:14.651)
just with the extra features. So if there's a movie you love, my recommendation is go and see if there's a Criterion Collection edition of it and get it. Because there's going to be stuff you've never seen or heard before in that disc in the special features that make it worth owning. And they're always added into the collection.

Eli Price (02:49:17.002)
If there's a movie you love, my recommendation is go and see if there's a Criterion Collection edition of it and get it. Because there's going to be stuff you've never seen or heard before in that disc in the special features that make it worth owning. And they're always adding to the collection. So if your favorite movie isn't in the collection now, maybe it will be in the future.

Haydn Fabre (02:49:40.959)
If your favorite movie isn't in the collection now, maybe it will be in the future. But that's my recommendation. They just put out some really cool stuff. And actually like some of these posters behind me, like I've got a Grand Poodle pest one, Rushmore. Uh, these are, these are both from Lunarize Kingdom. Those were in the criterion, like in the sleeve. So that's my recommendation. Um, my recommendation, uh,

Eli Price (02:49:45.51)
But that's my recommendation. They just put out some really cool stuff. And actually, some of these posters behind me, I've got a Grand Poodle past one, Rushmore. These are both from Moonrise Kingdom. Those were in the criterion, in the sleeve. So that's my recommendation.

Haydn Fabre (02:50:10.691)
I guess I will say just get outside. Okay, yeah. It's hot. I love watching movies. I love being in a room, but there's something about a little bit of vitamin C therapy. So just, I was outside all morning this morning filming a video and it just brought joy to my life. So just get outside. There's my recommendation. Get outside, get some sun, sweat a little bit. Yeah, get some, yeah. Let's catch some...

Eli Price (02:50:16.281)
Okay, yeah.

Eli Price (02:50:33.366)
Yeah, get outside, get some sun, sweat a little bit.

Haydn Fabre (02:50:40.923)
Zeds I think they call it in Europe, kept some zeds. Sure. I don't know what that means. Yeah, great recommendation. If you're listening to this and you're inside, then go outside right now. Go touch grass. I mean, go outside. Right this second.

Eli Price (02:50:48.534)
Yeah, great recommendation. If you're listening to this and you're inside, then go outside right now. Right this second.

Haydn Fabre (02:51:01.791)
Alright, well, I think that's all we have for you this week Hayden go ahead and I know you've been on before but go ahead and give your Socials where people can connect with you. Yeah, you can case. This is their first look at Hayden fob Yeah, you can find me on Instagram or Twitter and Hayden fob that's H a y D in F a B R E

Eli Price (02:51:01.89)
Alright, well, I think that's all we have for you this week. Hayden, go ahead and, I know you've been on before, but go ahead and give your socials where people can connect with you in case this is their first look at Hayden Fobb.

Haydn Fabre (02:51:31.627)
Let's communicate, let's talk. You DM me what you're watching, I'll DM you what I'm watching, and let's just be friends. Yeah, and is your letterbox haven't followed too? Yes, it is. It is. Yeah, cool. Letterbox me. Is that a thing? Letterbox me? Sounds like a fight semantics. Follow me on letterbox. Letterbox me. Yeah. Let's go.

Eli Price (02:51:38.102)
Yeah. And is your letterbox Hayden Fobb too? Yeah, cool.

Eli Price (02:51:47.723)
Follow me on letterbox. Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:51:53.387)
I mean people might fight in the comments. Yeah well that's natural, we're talking about movies. That's what people do when they talk about movies, they fight and argue. Yeah that's where you can find Hayden, Hayden Fobb on Instagram, Twitter, Letterboxd. He already spelled it, so I hope you wrote it down. Yeah. But I'll put it in the show notes. I'm missing some letters and adding some letters into what it would sound like, so just give your best guess. Yeah.

Eli Price (02:51:53.466)
I mean, people might fight in the comments on Letterboxd.

Eli Price (02:52:03.576)
But yeah, that's where you can find Hayden. Hayden Fobb on Instagram, Twitter, Letterboxd. He already spelled it, so I hope you wrote it down. But I'll put it in the show notes.

Eli Price (02:52:21.818)
Yeah, it'll be in the show description so Yeah, that's all we have for today. I hope you enjoyed the show was a blast talking about fantastic. Mr. Fox Is a fantastic conversation. I think if you will and So yeah, it was fun having you on Hayden and I look forward to Next week's episode on moonrise Kingdom

Haydn Fabre (02:52:22.283)
It'll be in the show description. So yeah, that's all we have for today. I hope you enjoyed the show. It was a blast talking about Fantastic Mr. Fox.

Eli Price (02:52:47.81)
But until then, I've been Eli Price. And for Hayden Fob, we hope you have a great week. And we will see you next time on The Establishing Shot.