Following (w/ Haydn Fabre)

Eli Price (00:37.154)
Hello and welcome to the establishing shot a podcast where we do deep dives into directors and their filmographies and we are Starting up our Christopher Nolan series Today we are covering the first movie in the series Christopher Nolan's debut feature film following and Yeah, last week we did kind of a Christopher Nolan overview

looking at some of his just bio, some of his overarching themes and techniques. And so yeah, if you haven't listened to that, go back and listen to that. It'll be a great kind of intro to the series. And yeah, I'm excited to have Hayden Fobb back on today. Three Pete, you're the second now Three Pete guest. Last week we had JP on.

Haydn Fabre (01:31.872)
Wow.

Eli Price (01:34.882)
for the first ever three-peat guest. So you just missed out by one week on the end. Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (01:38.026)
overwhelmingly honored. Hey, I'm happy to be second. You know, as they say, first is the worst, second is the best. Now the bar is set low for me because I'm not the first.

Eli Price (01:46.014)
Oh yeah. Yeah. They do. They do in fact say that. I remember. I remember. Yeah. They do. Yeah. But they, whoever they are, they do say it. I mean, I've definitely said it before and you just said it. So maybe we are they. Anyways.

Haydn Fabre (01:53.028)
A couple of them do. Perhaps not all of them.

Haydn Fabre (02:08.994)
That sounds like a title of a really sick sci-fi movie. We Are They. I'd watch the crap out of that. Like, we like visit a planet, and then we are like the alien, it's like War of the Worlds, but flipped. We Are They. Absolutely. Yeah, really, really horrible CGI throughout, but a good time nonetheless.

Eli Price (02:12.426)
We are they. Yeah. Yeah, I'd watch it. Feels like it would.

Eli Price (02:23.73)
Yeah, straight to Syfy channel. Yeah.

Eli Price (02:32.246)
Absolutely. Yeah, so maybe like maybe a shot in black and white, like following, you know, because it's cool.

Haydn Fabre (02:40.578)
It shut, what is it? Three by four, four by three? Is it the framing too? Like we're back in the 40s.

Eli Price (02:45.682)
Yeah, it's like a, yeah, I guess it's like the, it's kind of the Academy ratio that following is in. I'm not really sure to be honest. But yeah, let's get into your, I shared last week kind of my intro to Christopher Nolan. Do you mind sharing just like, man, what was the first Christopher Nolan movie you remember seeing? And

You know, is he a director that you really love? Is he a director that you're like, yeah, like highs and lows? Like how do you feel about Christopher Nolan? And what was your intro to him?

Haydn Fabre (03:24.746)
Yeah, yeah, I'd say that I'm not a Nolan fanboy. I'm not a, I don't think that I belong to that. I feel like Christopher Nolan movie fans are like the Taylor Swift fans of the movie world, where like, you know, it's hard for someone to just be a casual fan of Chris because there's so much hype around his films. Everybody loves Inception, Interstellar and stuff. And I certainly love those films. I was introduced,

Eli Price (03:30.132)
Okay.

Eli Price (03:51.732)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (03:54.51)
through Interstellar, one of my brother-in-law, he put it on when we were hanging out one day and was like, dude, you have to see this. And this was before I was really into movies and stuff because I've only, it's been like five years since I really started watching movies. And he was like, you gotta check this out. It's like time travel and stuff. And I was like, I like sci-fi movies. I mean, I'm a bit of a nerd. So I sat and watched it with him and I was like, wow. I didn't know that we could make movies like this. I didn't know that we were allowed.

Eli Price (03:56.831)
Okay.

Eli Price (04:04.686)
Mm-hmm.

Haydn Fabre (04:24.706)
to do interesting things with movies, you know? And I went home and I bought it on Apple Plus, that didn't exist yet, Apple something. I just bought it on Apple Movies. And I watched it nine times over the course of a month. I know, yeah. And looking back, it's like not even in my top three Nolan films right now. Like, but I was just absolutely blown away that we could make movies like that. And I watched it nine times in...

Eli Price (04:34.241)
Yeah.

Eli Price (04:38.454)
Nine times. Wow.

Haydn Fabre (04:54.174)
a month and then I realized for the first time that directors most of the time make multiple movies and when they make multiple movies, their multiple movies are often just as interesting as that one that you were introduced to. So I learned that Interception was also an interstellar film, Christopher Nolan film and I was like, wait, he makes more and I just dove into them and I, Chris Nolan was one of the stepping stones to me.

Eli Price (05:02.035)
Oh yeah.

Haydn Fabre (05:22.806)
beginning to love film, I'd say. But as I began to explore more film, I did learn that a lot of Chris Nolan's stuff isn't as necessarily groundbreaking and revolutionizing to cinema as a whole. He took a lot of inspiration from the greats beforehand, and I gained more appreciation over time from those greats while still being able to appreciate that. He's made some amazing stuff.

Eli Price (05:25.24)
Yeah, yeah.

Eli Price (05:39.81)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (05:44.161)
Right.

Haydn Fabre (05:50.294)
So he definitely was one of the first directors that I dove into whenever I started getting into film and his films are just fun. They're just they're all a good time. So I do love me Chris Nolan but just like you know I like Taylor Swift I like the Tay-Tay songs but I'm not a Swiftie you know like I love Christopher Nolan but I'm not I'm not a Nolan guy all the way but I'm excited to talk about it tonight for sure.

Eli Price (05:50.315)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (06:08.812)
Right.

Yeah, I feel you Yeah, yeah Uh, I kind of shared last week. He was kind of my one of my stepping stones With uh with like batman begins is the first I remember seeing and then when I was in college the prestige man, I loved me some prestige when I was in college but yeah that um, I wonder I wonder if that'll be like a common theme as we go through the series like different guests like uh because

like we were kind of similar in that way because he really is kind of like a I guess he's like a Cinephile gateway drug, you know You get a little Yeah, you get a taste you get a taste of like Real moviemaking and then you like you're moving on to the hard stuff after that, you know

Haydn Fabre (06:48.83)
Absolutely, absolutely. Everybody loves the Dark Knight. Everybody likes Inception. Like, the first time you see it, you're blown away.

Haydn Fabre (07:02.93)
Oh yeah. Or it turns you away. Or you're like, I don't want to go any further because this is confusing. Like my in-laws, I love them to death. They are like fast and furious people. Like they just want more explosions and more action. And I like appreciate it. And family and like racing cars off of the Burj Khalifa, they eat that stuff up. And I'm like, Hey guys, there's more.

Eli Price (07:06.174)
Yeah, yeah, this is it.

Eli Price (07:14.615)
Yeah.

Eli Price (07:17.865)
family.

Haydn Fabre (07:28.306)
interesting things that happen in film than just blowing stuff up. And about as far as I can usually get them into like real, like cinema and like check out the artistry is Chris. That's about as far as I can get them.

Eli Price (07:39.646)
Yeah. You might can get them into some Mad Max Fury Road.

Haydn Fabre (07:45.422)
Oh yeah, oh yeah, well you know my father-in-law, he's an old head. So he's like, the first Mad Max is the best. I'm like, get with the times, old man. Sorry, Mr. Ed.

Eli Price (07:50.861)
Yeah, yeah.

Eli Price (07:57.802)
Oh man. Yeah. I guess shout out to Mr. Ed if he's listening.

Haydn Fabre (08:04.595)
Shout out to Ed and George Miller, tycoons, pillars of cinema.

Eli Price (08:08.03)
Yeah, and George Miller.

Eli Price (08:13.206)
Well, sweet. Yeah, this was getting into our topic of discussion, the movie following. This was your first watch, if I'm not mistaken, of following. Yeah. 99 cent. Yeah. Yeah, you didn't want to watch it on Tubi with ads, I'm guessing.

Haydn Fabre (08:23.85)
My first ever watch, I rented it for 99 cents and viewed the crap out of it.

Haydn Fabre (08:35.318)
No, I don't. If you take a film that's not shot linearly and then splice some ads into there, oh my goodness. If Christopher, it's probably so Christopher Nolan would die and then roll in his grave. He'd be so mad if he heard that was happening.

Eli Price (08:37.194)
No ads.

Eli Price (08:42.776)
Yeah, it might add to the experience. You never know, you know.

Eli Price (08:49.683)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (08:54.306)
You're like, it was so confusing. Not really.

Eli Price (08:54.33)
But he probably he probably won't here cuz he's not he's off the grid basically, did you know that about him? He had like he has no email address never has he has no cell phone never has he's just like He's like no. Thanks No, thanks to This new fangled technology, you know emails cell phones like get it out of here

Haydn Fabre (09:01.014)
Yeah, what's he doing?

Haydn Fabre (09:13.563)
out at Los Alamos.

Haydn Fabre (09:18.442)
Okay. This new technology emails. All right, Chris.

Eli Price (09:25.058)
But yeah, seriously, he's off the, like, he's not plugged into any of that. Yeah. It's kind of cool. I respect it.

Haydn Fabre (09:28.706)
That's wild. My youth pastor, when I was growing up, he only ever had a flip phone, but it was because he'd been struck by lightning twice. And if he carried a Apple device or a Samsung device, it would like, the battery would run out. So he had to keep a flip phone. So maybe that, maybe that's what happened to... I know, I know. Like he just like melts batteries. But maybe that's what happened to Christopher Nolan. He was struck by lightning and now he can't have a phone.

Eli Price (09:42.99)
That's very strange. That's like a super power.

Eli Price (09:52.896)
Yeah.

Maybe. I don't think so. I've been reading a lot about them, and I haven't come across that yet. But maybe. Maybe. Maybe it's sort of kind of a stowed away story similar to, this is my really bad attempt at a transition, similar to the short that led to following called Larseny.

Haydn Fabre (09:57.954)
Get him on the line.

Haydn Fabre (10:05.042)
No mention of lightning bolts.

Haydn Fabre (10:24.822)
Wow.

Eli Price (10:25.398)
which has not really ever been seen except for at a couple of, like a festival or two back when he made it. Like you, no, you can't, you can't watch it. I think it's like a eight or nine minute short called Larseny about a break in of sorts, I think. And you can't, yeah, you can't find it anywhere.

Haydn Fabre (10:31.626)
Yeah. Is it available anywhere? Wow.

Haydn Fabre (10:49.614)
Okay.

Haydn Fabre (10:53.986)
Wow.

Eli Price (10:54.37)
There's been I think I think Nolan's brother Jonathan has like kind of hinted in interviews that he has it like on a hard drive somewhere But yeah, it's it I think it's Yeah Yeah, I think it's one of those things where like Nolan after he Went ahead and went forward making following he was like well I don't really want to show this one because it's kind of like a rough draft of the idea

Haydn Fabre (11:04.142)
Dang, but he doesn't use technology so they can't watch it.

Eli Price (11:23.01)
I'd rather people just see following. So I think that's sort of his way of like no don't watch my rough draft. Only those people at that festival that one time get to ever see it and me. Yeah but um it's yeah it's kind of sad. I did watch a couple of the other shorts you can watch on YouTube. Doodle Bug that was an interesting one. Doodle Bug was actually on the criterion

Haydn Fabre (11:37.698)
He watches it over and over again.

Haydn Fabre (11:51.352)
Wow.

Eli Price (11:53.006)
criterion I've got it right here. Following.

Haydn Fabre (11:55.17)
Look at that. Yeah, I saw the Criterion logo fly through on Amazon Prime. We're not sponsored, but I, I rented it.

Eli Price (11:59.77)
Yeah, yeah, it's the only one. I'm not sponsored not a sponsor uh Yes, the only one on criterion so I don't get that. Uh pretty much all the west movies except for french dispatch Isle of dogs are on uh criterion Yeah, they probably will be but um

Haydn Fabre (12:09.534)
Yeah, that's interesting.

Haydn Fabre (12:15.626)
Yeah, probably just because it hasn't been made yet. They're probably like in the queue. Yeah, I mean, Mean Streets is getting a release now. So like they're backlogged, man. They got to catch up. What's going on? You need like I need like 10 new criterions a month.

Eli Price (12:24.97)
Yeah, I saw that.

Sure mean streets Yeah, that'd be I mean that'd be wonderful Or maybe not cuz I already like just want too many of them and I have no money to spend on them so Maybe hold off for a while criteria and let us do some catching up. You know, I don't know

Haydn Fabre (12:35.53)
Yeah, don't expect this workload.

Haydn Fabre (12:42.893)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (12:50.09)
Yeah, or just extend the Barnes and Noble sale. Just make them half off year round and there we go.

Eli Price (12:54.298)
All year 50% off Yeah, but yeah so following it began as sort of two ideas so Nolan Was spending a lot of time kind of walking the streets of London to and fro his day job after he graduated college and He was just kind of fascinated by

the dynamics of a crowd. And I think this is something that'll start being a recurring theme when we talk about Nolan's movies is he takes something that probably should be simple and like really over thinks it. And so like he was just, he's looking at, he's seeing a crowd, he's in a crowd every day and he just starts thinking about like how

Haydn Fabre (13:25.207)
Yeah.

Eli Price (13:49.986)
lonely people are today in a crowd and how like He even talks about at some point and some interviews somewhere how like if you like and it's he sort of talks about it at the very beginning of following in The you know the young man character and voiceover kind of narrating but uh, yeah, he talks about how like in today like if you're like

Walking down the street and you're in a crowd and you like focus on a person and like think about them as an individual It's like it's almost like you've invaded their privacy Which is which is like Phil it rings true like I'm like, I guess I get that I never thought about it before but this is I guess what Christopher Nolan thinks about and Yeah, and he thought he he's like, yeah, there's all these social

Haydn Fabre (14:31.746)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (14:42.902)
Yeah, overthinking crowds.

Eli Price (14:49.342)
rules for being in a crowd in public. Like you don't keep step with a stranger. Like you go faster or slower, but you never keep step with a stranger. It's like a weird, everyone just knows it social rule. So yeah, so it's that idea.

Haydn Fabre (15:05.758)
Yeah. It's an interesting thought to consider like a crowd becomes a unit. But like he says in the beginning of the film, when you isolate one and you think about that individual, that's a person who has worries, who has fears, who has desires, who has responsibilities. And they have just as many things going on as you do. And like that idea compounded so much. Kind of like in the gym, you ever think about how much counting happens in the heads of people in the gym?

If you could hear all the thoughts through reps, it's just counting all the time. But when you isolate, like, that's a great observation that it's almost like a violation of privacy to even like follow someone.

Eli Price (15:34.207)
Yeah, that's true.

Eli Price (15:46.302)
Yeah, it's a it's weird. It's weird to think that just because you've like noticed someone and like focused on them for a second, it's like Invading their privacy. It's like that's kind of weird um, but yeah, so there's that rule and then there's um the fact that he um came home to his flat one day and um, I think he had he was living with um his Soon-to-be wife Emma Thomas

at that point and Their flat had been burgled they took like some CDs and a few personal items sort of thing and He was just like thinking about how like it's not so much like that things were taken but that like again, a social rule had been broken because really like there's just a door there and he was thinking about like

They had this flimsy door and he's like really there's nothing keeping anyone out except for like just so Social rules that we follow And that had been broken And like that was more violating even than like the stuff being taken and I think that I think that is true because any anytime I've interacted with someone who's like just had like something stolen from them it is that feeling of like being like

Haydn Fabre (16:43.534)
Yeah.

social rules.

Haydn Fabre (16:58.475)
Yeah.

Eli Price (17:10.582)
violated like your space and your things. Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (17:12.662)
Yeah, my wife and I just, we just bought a house and the idea of someone entering our house, even if they just walk in and then walk out without our permission, it's a terrifying and violating and you don't feel safe ever again fully, I think.

Eli Price (17:29.598)
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, so you have kind of those two ideas, both kind of like, both are sort of these ideas about like shattering social conventions. And those two ideas, put them together and you get, well you get first larceny, which we'll never see probably, and then eventually following, yeah. So those are like the two ideas that melded together. But then of course like,

You have other influences like when he started writing this story, he kind of knew from the get go that it was going to be a noir kind of story. And so he was like, well, I got to do my research. So he started watching, like he watched Hitchcock's Strangers on a Train, which I actually watched the other day to kind of like, because I knew he had watched that for this movie. Yeah, it was really good.

Haydn Fabre (18:22.946)
Oh yeah?

Eli Price (18:28.202)
Um, yeah, it's really good. Like Hitchcock, uh, Hitchcock movie. Um, uh, tournay's, uh, out of the past, I think is another big one that he watched kind of in that noir, um, category. And then, uh, Raymond Chandler is an author. Um, and he, uh, Raymond Chandler is actually credited, uh, as writing, um, stranger on a train too, the script for it. Um, yeah, but he's, um,

Haydn Fabre (18:31.575)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (18:53.731)
Oh wow.

Eli Price (18:57.206)
He wrote The Big Sleep is probably his most popular book, but kind of called like The Godfather of Noir. So, yeah, he was a big influence, too. And I think even like the kind of. You know, the MacGuffin, which if this is your first time tuning in, this is a spoiler podcast. So we're not like we just start talking about the movie and whatever comes up comes up. So just be warned.

Haydn Fabre (19:19.618)
boiling this thing. Yup. Here's your warning. Leave now. Come back later.

Eli Price (19:26.378)
Yeah, I don't know. There might be some new listeners coming in for following and not prepared for the spoiler talk. But yeah, the MacGuffin that's kind of here in following is these supposedly pornographic pictures that are stowed away in a safe. And that's the MacGuffin in The Big Sleep 2. So a direct influence there from Ray Chandler. Yeah, pretty cool.

Haydn Fabre (19:53.75)
Yeah.

Eli Price (19:58.047)
And then to like he had seen Reservoir dogs reservoir dogs had come out by this point and his wife Emma Thomas was working for working title which is like a an English production company and she had gotten somehow her hands on the script for pulp fiction and Yeah, so like Looking at that and he really of course like there's we talked about last week some of the influence that

Haydn Fabre (20:17.037)
out.

Eli Price (20:26.202)
went into his interest in nonlinear story structures. But he liked how Tarantino was starting to do that sort of thing, kind of throw out the typical narrative structure of movies, just kind of tossing out that rule.

Haydn Fabre (20:45.046)
Heist movie without the heist and Reservoir Dogs and then like three seemingly unconnected stories in Pulp Fiction.

Eli Price (20:53.518)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, so yeah like I don't know like Tarantino was is they're kind of contemporaries, but um, and it's almost like It's I would say Tarantino wasn't so much like an influence on him as much as like an encouragement for him to like Join that idea that he liked to already So yeah, but yeah, he made following

six years after graduating. For a while, his wife Emma Thomas was like on her lunch breaks trying to like find funding for the movie and they did not find any funding for the movie. And so like they...

Haydn Fabre (21:37.666)
I was gonna say, I've heard people go on mission trips for more than this movie.

Eli Price (21:43.838)
Yeah, yeah, like he I think the total budget so like Most of the budget came from a bonus that Christopher Nolan got from his day job And most of the budget was spent on film stock and It came out to around three thousand pounds, which is maybe like five or six thousand American dollars I think and that was like the total budget for the film

Um, yeah, it's, um,

Haydn Fabre (22:13.698)
Wow.

Eli Price (22:18.93)
Yeah, I mean, this was a nothing movie. They didn't spend anything on this. So he was in head of a film society in college, and he kind of brought the crew back together. And basically, all the actors were friends from the film society from college, and they all worked for free, basically. Nobody was making any money off of this.

But yeah, they shot it like, so basically they had been doing some work like with shorts and they had made larceny and what they would do is basically like they would, larceny was almost like a practice run because they went one weekend and shot larceny and that weekend is like a six to nine minutes somewhere in their short film. And that's like how they shot this whole movie.

Have their day jobs during the week and then on Saturday they would go shoot, you know, basically a short um A short's worth of the movie. Yeah um Yeah, so they would go shoot and it took them like a year And um to get the get everything shot and ready Um Yeah, yeah and um Nolan was

Haydn Fabre (23:24.386)
Yeah, shoot a scene, a couple of scenes from it.

Haydn Fabre (23:38.03)
Yeah, because you can't stop your life at that point when you're not all in.

Eli Price (23:45.458)
Nolan basically was everything in the movie except for the actors. Like he directed it, he did the camera work for it, he was the cinematographer, he was the producer, he wrote the movie, he edited. I think he did have another guy that helped with some of the editing towards the end. But yeah, he...

Haydn Fabre (24:03.734)
Yeah, I'm sure that's not easy to edit for your first time, your first feature, and do it non-linearly, and make sure it flows well.

Eli Price (24:10.738)
Yeah, well, it's actually like, which the first episode hasn't released yet, so you couldn't have heard it yet. But yeah, we talked about, he did a lot of, he found at his college this old Steenbeck film editing machine, and he like was all the time practicing like editing film. So like he, at that point, he's, he like kind of knows what he's doing by the time he's making Following. Just from like pulling.

Haydn Fabre (24:38.378)
I always forget that they manually spliced the film together. Wow.

Eli Price (24:41.95)
Yeah, he was doing like hand cutting of film and stuff on this machine. Yeah. And learning how to like sync up the sound with it and stuff like that. Um, yeah, pretty cool. Um, when we get, when we get done, you should look up, uh, the Steenbeck, um, editing machine, cause it's like, it's like, oh yeah, this is like straight out of the eighties, like technology really awesome.

Haydn Fabre (24:52.79)
Yeah, that's incredible.

Haydn Fabre (25:06.408)
a like the fablens machine

Eli Price (25:08.83)
Oh yeah. Yeah, but a little bit bigger than that. Yeah, that's a good reference point. Yeah, Nolan did all that. He was everything basically. And then of course you have like the three actors. Well, I guess you got the policeman too. That's Nolan's uncle. They brought in to do that. So he got his uncle to play the officer that's interrogating the young man. Yeah.

Really three actors and only one of them actually went on to be like a professional actress. That was the Girl that plays the blonde russell um, but yeah, um Jeremy theobald just kind of became a bit of a producer um, he's been like kind of like a Very very minor character in a couple other known films. But yeah um And then the other guy, um Alex hall that played cob

I think he went into architecture or something. I think I remember reading.

Haydn Fabre (26:13.422)
That's funny. So one actor in his feature, in his debut feature film, just one.

Eli Price (26:18.43)
Yeah, yeah, really, really just well, like one that actually like went on to act more. And honestly, she was kind of the worst of the three, in my opinion, as far as her acting went.

Haydn Fabre (26:25.099)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (26:30.442)
Yeah, they were to be to be candid. They were all fairly rough. It's it's the artistry is clear, but yeah, it's definitely clear that these are not. Actors.

Eli Price (26:34.867)
Yeah, yeah, not great.

Eli Price (26:40.922)
Yeah. And obviously it was her first. I don't know that I've seen her in anything else. So I can't really speak to how she grew as an actress, but it was her more than likely like her first. Act like actress job or not so much job, but.

Haydn Fabre (26:47.403)
Yeah, I didn't recognize you.

Haydn Fabre (26:57.726)
Yeah, at least film. Yeah. Minimum wage. If that.

Eli Price (27:04.07)
Yeah, yeah, so like they get this movie done in a year get it edited down they They had to like, you know pitch it to these You know basically like festivals to kind of because they had the film but they needed it What's the film jargon? They needed basically it printed so that it could be shown Which costs money to get?

Haydn Fabre (27:30.538)
Yeah, they needed like copies, mint, yeah.

Eli Price (27:33.214)
Yeah, it costs money to get it done. And so I don't remember if a festival finally agreed to do that for them or if they had someone kind of like front the last little bit of money they would need for that. I can't remember exactly how that worked, but they finally got accepted to premiere at San Francisco's film festival. Uh, so that's where it premiered.

Haydn Fabre (27:54.925)
Is that a big film festival? Do you know?

Eli Price (27:57.598)
Um, San Francisco film festival. Honestly, I don't know. I mean, I'm sure it's. Yeah, I'm sure it's a decent, a decent little film festival. It's not like one of the big ones. Um, it's not like it's Sunday. It didn't get accepted to Sundance. Um, it did get into Toronto, uh, film festival and then slam dance is one, um, that it got into.

Haydn Fabre (28:02.002)
It's in San Francisco. Seems like that should be.

Haydn Fabre (28:11.082)
Yeah, it's not like no big can or anything.

Haydn Fabre (28:22.188)
Mm.

Eli Price (28:23.242)
I think it actually got rejected by Slamdance and then after it showed at San Francisco the next year Slamdance showed it. So, but yeah, after it had that like short little kind of festival run, Zeitgeist Film, a production company, picked it up and did a theatrical release for it. And it made $50,000.

Haydn Fabre (28:33.71)
Gotcha.

Haydn Fabre (28:51.078)
Wow, 10 times.

Eli Price (28:51.862)
which is not a lot of money at all, but yeah, 10 times what they spent on it. So I'd say that's a pretty good return, you know?

Haydn Fabre (28:55.63)
But it's 10 times the budget. Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (29:02.33)
Oh yeah. Yeah. I wish I could do that. I'd invest in it.

Eli Price (29:06.351)
Yeah, and it had it had pretty good critical responses to Like people liked it You get you get the feeling from I'm gonna read a couple of quotes you get the feeling that people were like man This guy's got something they weren't necessarily like this is a fantastic movie, but they're like man. This guy has something going Yeah, yeah

Haydn Fabre (29:30.246)
You can definitely smell the greatness evident here.

Eli Price (29:35.23)
Yeah, and it's funny, like, you know, we did a Wes Anderson last series, and I like bottle rocket a good bit more than following, I think. It's definitely still of a similar vein of like a director really trying to get a feel for what they want to do. But I just liked it more. But yeah, this critic early on for following said,

That the movie succeeds as thoroughly as it does, getting deeper and creepier as it goes along, is evidence of a far-seeing creative imagination. So I'm like, oh yeah. He's like, oh yeah, this guy, this guy's got something. He's got, I don't know, something going for him. But yeah, there's another one, Scott. Oh, go ahead.

Haydn Fabre (30:14.603)
Some high praise there.

Haydn Fabre (30:22.134)
Yeah. I think my initial reaction whenever I was finished with it was just like, my initial reaction whenever I was finished with it was just like, man, if we'd had like 30 more minutes added to it, it fell like it was like, it just, as soon as it started to catch its stride was when it kind of landed the plane because of the budget problems and then the short time span that they had to, I'm sure that's like kind of what they're feeling like. It's like, you know, just smelling some,

Eli Price (30:40.914)
Mm-hmm. Sure, yeah.

Haydn Fabre (30:50.658)
like homemade spaghetti or something. You're like, oh, I could eat a plate of that. But you just can't quite reach it yet, you know? What are the other critics saying?

Eli Price (30:54.315)
Oh yeah.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah this other one. It's a it's actually a little bit even more high praise It says following is that rare debut in which a formidable creative? Personality seems to have sprung upon the scene fully developed all of Nolan's abiding biting obsessions are in evidence the boldly nonlinear Chronology the liquid sense of identity the involuntary spasms of memory. I like that last part. Yeah spasms of memory

That's, that guy's, yeah, that guy's good with words. Scott found us. Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (31:27.39)
involuntary specimens.

Haydn Fabre (31:32.086)
Oh yeah, bit of a wordsmith. He pulled up thesaurus.com while he was writing that. Another word for crazy.

Eli Price (31:37.49)
Yeah, for sure. Or he might not have the we would we probably would have needed to. Yeah, so, you know, it really is like you were saying, it's like that. That seems to be what the critical response was, like this guy has something going for him, like he has like really good potential to do something interesting, because really, like that's what following is.

Haydn Fabre (31:44.91)
I'm a big fan of the thesaurus.

Eli Price (32:05.162)
Like if you were, like if I was trying to sell someone on watching Following, I would be like, it's interesting. It's an interesting film that isn't like anything super profound and it isn't anything like super like, I guess unique or like some major breakthrough like you were kind of saying, but it is, it's interesting and it's.

Haydn Fabre (32:13.431)
Yeah.

Eli Price (32:33.502)
It is interesting. I think probably it's more interesting in light of his whole filmography Um Than it is like in and of itself

Haydn Fabre (32:39.658)
Yeah, that's what I was going to say. If someone liked Memento or something like that, if someone would love Memento or even Interstellar or something like that and you were like, you want to see his first swing at it? It's not necessarily a home run, but if you want to see where he was breeding the grounds for something as awesome as those are, this is where to go.

Eli Price (32:51.009)
Yeah.

Eli Price (32:55.65)
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, and it's it is interesting like bottle rocket is probably a little bit less so but in a similar I guess vein it's they're movies that like So like some directors come on and it's like Orson Welles citizen Kane knock it out of the park, you know But then like most directors come on with a movie like this like they're trying to get their footing It's not like it's kind of just a glimpse of what they'll

what they will be, you know. And that's kind of what this film is. But it's interesting. It's like, it's interesting, like visually, it's interesting, like in the structure of the narrative. It's interesting, like it's even sort of interesting in the ideas that it's exploring, I think. I know like, you know,

Haydn Fabre (33:30.142)
Yeah.

Eli Price (33:56.134)
It is also a film that I felt like can easily be sort of made fun of like Oh, what if someone breaks into your home because you know Because they want to shake your life up and show you what you had and then take it away It's like I mean it's kind of a little like I don't know if corny is the right word, but something like that it's like trying

Haydn Fabre (34:18.776)
It's a little underdeveloped, it's a little basic.

Eli Price (34:22.142)
Yeah, like trying to be profound but not that profound sort of thing. But I mean, it's again, it's a young filmmaker, like figuring out how do I take these ideas that I like have in my head and make a compelling story. And that is one of the things Nolan said. He said he has like all these interesting things that he thinks is interesting to think about, but like that most people might.

not think is as interesting as he does. And so he felt like putting it in this noir kind of story was a good medium for him to make other people interested in things that otherwise they wouldn't have been that he was interested in exploring, which sort of makes sense.

Haydn Fabre (35:08.876)
Yeah.

Eli Price (35:13.454)
But yeah, it's it is basically a no budget film. Like all they spent money on was a film stock. And so, like, because of that, you have. There's a lot of like limitations on what you can do. And so, like, I was kind of like researching and just looking at. All the things that they did to like capitalize and make the most out of.

the basically nothing that they had to work with. And so like they're borrowing basically all this old equipment from the basement of the theater where they met for the Film Society in college. They have like the 16 millimeter camera that he's using. They're doing rehearsals months in advance because they only have so much film that they've been able to scrounge up.

is to buy and so like you can't really waste a whole lot of film by getting multiple takes yeah you gotta get it right so you gotta rehearse. Yeah they're like filming on locations with no permits kind of guerrilla style like they couldn't get permits that they needed to shoot in the street so they just like handheld I'm getting out there and just doing it with no permit which is pretty cool.

Haydn Fabre (36:15.275)
You gotta get it right.

Haydn Fabre (36:35.17)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (36:39.778)
And the street shots are good. They're good, like the street shots work.

Eli Price (36:39.994)
He even, yeah, I felt a little disoriented, like from those first ones where he's like walking and it's very shaky. That's not always like my favorite style. But like he did say, no one did say like he's shot that opening kind of police interrogation scene is the only thing they shot like on a dolly track.

There were these old dolly tracks in that basement of the theater where the film society met and it wasn't really transportable so they just shot it down there. And he said he did that because he wanted to open with a very clean, professional-typical way of shooting.

He felt like if he threw people right into the handheld work, that people would just be like, oh, this is just some cheap, shoddy filmmaking. But he wanted to show them, no, I can do this sort of filmmaking. I'm making a deliberate decision to go handheld with this film. Which I thought was thoughtful of him to think. People were like...

people aren't gonna go for it. They're gonna just immediately be taken out of it unless I show them like something more what they're used to start with.

Haydn Fabre (38:15.222)
Yeah, he's definitely thinking long term to prove that he has that eye, that vision. It's not just a homemade film.

Eli Price (38:19.659)
Mm-hmm.

Right. Yeah. And one of the things, too, with like working him, working with the camera was he was really learning because he's like sitting there looking through the lens and he's like in the space with them. And he's learning how to think and like 3D space like so when he when he starts getting like bigger budgets and working on bigger films than like blocking the scenes out came a lot easier to him. Which, you know,

If you're not familiar with film language, blocking a scene is just like basically putting people in the room where they're supposed to be so that you can get the shot the way you want it to look basically. Very simple way of explaining blocking. But yeah, he that's one of the things like that was kind of one of his like lessons learned, I guess, is.

And to this day, he doesn't use a monitor on set. He's always standing next to the camera. He's not working the camera anymore, obviously, but he's right there in the space. Because he feels like as soon as you start looking at it on a monitor, you're thinking in 2D space. And he said it doesn't help his thought process, I guess. I thought that was interesting.

Haydn Fabre (39:27.662)
You're looking straight through, wow.

Haydn Fabre (39:48.078)
That is interesting. Gotta see it.

Eli Price (39:50.878)
Yeah, um, yeah, I mean Everything from like clothes and props being their own stuff. Like uh, did you notice something? Uh prophetic? in this movie Uh for no one's career You didn't All right, you're gonna remember as soon as I say it there was something there's a logo of some sort on the door of um of Bill bill the young man's apartment

Haydn Fabre (40:03.982)
Was it, I did not, I did not tell me, surprise me. I don't think so.

Yeah.

Eli Price (40:21.246)
Maybe you didn't notice. Because it's just a quick little thing. That's the Batman logo. He has the Batman symbol. Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (40:22.394)
I didn't notice it. What was the logo? Yeah. I okay. Okay. I noticed it. I did see it. I didn't connect it because I'm not smart, but I noticed it. And I was like, I think I noticed it. And I was like, that's the old Batman saying symbol, not Chris's Batman symbol. Yeah.

Eli Price (40:33.627)
Yeah.

Eli Price (40:38.938)
No, but yeah, he I mean he had no like idea that he would be Doing batman movies at that point like he had no idea if he would have a career in filmmaking at that point uh much less like you know big budget batman films, but um Yeah, I thought that was a cool little easter egg like and it's just like total coincidence. Uh, it was um That was I think that was theobald the young man actor. I think that was his flat

Haydn Fabre (40:43.415)
Oh yeah.

Haydn Fabre (40:49.323)
Yeah.

Eli Price (41:08.214)
He just had a Batman symbol on the door of his flat. And so that is just like, just a coincidence. And it turned out to be prophetic of Nolan's future. But yeah.

Haydn Fabre (41:21.998)
The only thing that would make it better is if there was a top in the trinkets that he stole in the box. There was a little spinning top. I'm like, wow. He was really thinking ahead.

Eli Price (41:27.482)
Oh yeah, that would have been better. Yeah. Or if he had made Cobb and Inceptions, which I guess that's another Easter egg, like the Cobb name, if he hadn't made his totem a spinning seahorse. Huh.

Haydn Fabre (41:42.179)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (41:46.842)
or if he would have dropped a nuke on London at the end of following. That'd have been a great Easter egg to his newest hit film, Oppenheimer.

Eli Price (41:50.258)
Yeah, that yeah that too Oh, man We're just gonna move right on from that one Yeah, the typewriter Uh, the typewriter was like no one's typewriter. It was like a birthday gift from his dad And he actually wrote the script for following on that typewriter. Which is kind of cool like let me put my typewriter in the movie and like I even

Haydn Fabre (42:03.118)
Sweet.

Haydn Fabre (42:16.494)
I've never used a typewriter.

Eli Price (42:20.03)
I noticed too, so when they're in his apartment, when he's like trying to make it out like, oh, we're gonna burgle this guy, it's my first find and it's actually like his apartment. He's like the guy, Cobb like looks at the typewriter and he's like, now this guy's not a real writer. He's unemployed and he just wants to be a writer. He'd be using like a computer, a word processor.

Haydn Fabre (42:46.954)
That's a funny note. I like that.

Eli Price (42:48.842)
Yeah, and so I was like, I wonder if that was like Nolan kind of given a dig at himself. Like this guy's not a writer. Yeah, he just wants to be a writer. Yeah, which maybe

Haydn Fabre (42:54.326)
making fun of himself. Yeah, that's good. I feel like to be a good writer, you have to feel like that sometimes. Like I'm not really a writer, I'm just pretending.

Eli Price (43:02.337)
Yeah.

Eli Price (43:05.97)
Yeah, yeah, I mean for sure uh Yeah, there's just a lot of like little tricks he had to get away with the lighting was a big one like Like first like they're like well We can't really afford to shoot in color because we can't afford the lighting for a good color shooting um, but also like he was like, but I also think black and white will be best for like the Expressionistic style that I want this movie to have

So it's kind of like a, just kind of worked out like, this is what is best for our budget. And also like it fits like the style that I'm going for. Even like with that noir feel, like it feels more noir, whether it being black and white.

Haydn Fabre (43:46.955)
Oh yeah.

Haydn Fabre (43:50.158)
I definitely had like third man feels on some of them, you know, like that like box framed black and white, foggy like edges, you can't really see what's happening. I think you definitely achieved that.

Eli Price (43:53.78)
Yeah.

Eli Price (43:57.973)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (44:02.526)
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, and he does a lot of window lighting, having characters next to windows to light them. The sound is probably one of the most... He said the sound is probably the most difficult thing with a low-budget film like this, because you're just like... Especially because he's shooting on location so much, too.

Haydn Fabre (44:24.162)
I'm sure.

Eli Price (44:30.166)
Like you just don't know what sound you're gonna end up with. And so, but something that he refused to do then and still to this day refuses to do, which is probably has something to do with people's like problems with hearing his dialogue. He refuses to record dialogue after, like after shooting this scene. And like, cause that's what a lot of films that get made.

Haydn Fabre (44:30.476)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (44:54.958)
Yeah.

Eli Price (45:00.046)
They're obviously recording when they're shooting the scene, but then they'll go back in and re-record, like in a studio, the dialogue and add it in post.

Haydn Fabre (45:07.786)
Yeah, make it just more crisp in an environment you can control it.

Eli Price (45:12.282)
Right, but Chris Nolan refuses to do that to this day. And so that might have something to do with Tenet, and some people have said this about Hoppenheimer even, is just hard to hear some of the dialogue. But yeah.

Haydn Fabre (45:21.888)
Oh, Tenet.

Haydn Fabre (45:28.646)
Yeah. He definitely, I think improved with Oppenheimer. It's a little bit better in Oppenheimer, but dude, Tanit, oh my goodness. Tanit, I was like, I'm glad that I'm not so it was that moment where I was like, I'm glad I'm not supposed to understand fully what's happening because I can't even hear their explanations half the time. So I'm just going to assume that it's not a mistake, but a stylistic choice on Christopher Nolan's genius brain's behalf to make us not even understand what they're saying.

Eli Price (45:32.83)
Yeah.

Eli Price (45:50.975)
Right.

Eli Price (45:54.476)
Yeah.

Eli Price (45:57.994)
Right, right, and I think it is like a good principle because he basically is like, you know, once you take the actors like out of the location and out of like shooting the scene and put them in a different environment, like you're not getting the same acting in their voices. And so he's like, I just don't wanna do that because I'm capturing it all right here. And this is the way it's supposed to.

This is how their dialogue's supposed to sound. You can't totally recreate that elsewhere. So, makes sense. But yeah, he says, this is a quote from Nolan. He said, I think I've spent every other film spending massive resources to get back to where we had nothing. So like.

He's like, he's basically like, now I have all these like huge, massive budgets, but I'm still like trying to, I still like, am pulling from and trying to like, get back to that head space of like, having nothing and trying to figure out how to, how to make this work. Um, yeah. And I've heard him say like, in other-

Haydn Fabre (47:10.85)
Yeah. Because didn't he buy a plane and like actually create those bombs? Like he's so well known for his practical effects. Like he doesn't want to CG anything. But with that comes a pretty hefty price tag when you're buying the 747s just to crash them into buildings. Spoiler for tenant episode.

Eli Price (47:20.427)
Mm-hmm.

Right, right.

Eli Price (47:29.554)
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, he's, yeah, that's true. Yeah, he, yeah, he does, like,

Well, I'll say this, he in an interview that I listened to, I can't remember, I think it was on a podcast, but he was basically saying like, I still, like when I was making Following, obviously like I had to make a film better than what our budget was, because like he didn't really have a choice, like, because he had no budget basically. So of course the film, however it turns out, is like gonna be better than

budget should allow. And so it's that idea of like stretching what you do have like to get more out of it than you should be able to. He just talks about like even like with tenant with this huge budget like he's trying to like push like the limits of even like with this massive budget. Like I want to get more out of this budget than like I should be able to get out of it.

Even with a massive budget, which I appreciate that like mindset of like I want to get the most out of this that I possibly can um And I think you do see it to some degree. Yeah Like you do see it Right

Haydn Fabre (48:42.967)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (48:52.214)
Yeah. Seeing the higher budgets. Yeah. Seeing the higher budgets as like a blessing and being like, I don't want to misuse the resources that I have.

Eli Price (49:03.634)
Yeah, sure. Yeah. Yeah, I think it does come through with like with the practical effects and with like flipping semi trucks and exploding them and you know, like that it just like is really cool to watch. And so like, you know, someone else might end up just CG and that sort of thing. But he's like, no, we're doing it. We're spending like, we're getting the most out of this budget. We're doing it for real, which I appreciate, you know.

Haydn Fabre (49:15.972)
Oh yeah.

Haydn Fabre (49:33.004)
Yeah.

Eli Price (49:34.83)
Um, but yeah, one of the things he said that they did get right, he, I guess this is his like maybe one of his proudest things about this movie is that they crafted this script, um, to like match the sort of production that they could actually pull off. So like he, the way he like wrote this and scripted it and like, um, and all that sort of stuff like was very well thought through to get.

to, like we said, get the most out of it. He wasn't writing something that was something he couldn't actually make, but he also didn't want to dumb it down too much, too. He's writing this to match and maybe push a little bit the sort of production they were capable of with the budget they had. Yeah, I guess we can get into the story a bit. What's a?

Haydn Fabre (50:14.402)
Yeah.

Eli Price (50:33.302)
Yeah, what were your initial thoughts? When the credits start rolling, were you like, man, that was really cool? Or were you confused or what?

Haydn Fabre (50:42.71)
Yeah. So I think whenever I put it on, I just forgot for a moment that Christopher Nolan likes non-linear films. And then they started jumping and I was like, wait, what's happening? And then I was like, ah, this is Christopher Nolan. Of course it's not gonna be in order. So then I had to really pay attention to like, hairstyles and outfits and like the amount of how clean they were and stuff.

Eli Price (50:55.691)
Yeah, yeah.

Eli Price (51:01.704)
Right.

Eli Price (51:08.191)
Yep. Uh-huh.

Haydn Fabre (51:13.366)
Yeah, it's not the most complicated of his stories. It's really a fairly straightforward and simple story that's just told in such a blocky way. So when the credits hit, I was content. I felt like I understood what was happening because it wasn't, like you said, they wrote the script for a film that they could shoot. They didn't write a script for this big dream budget. And once like the plane landed, and there was a question of, man,

Eli Price (51:17.134)
Sure, yeah.

Eli Price (51:23.054)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (51:27.351)
Mmm.

Haydn Fabre (51:42.334)
I know that, I know what happened, but where did he go? You know, like at the very end I'm like, wait, I don't understand this. But other than that, like I was, yeah. Other than that, I was tracking with the story and then they were like, psych, he's gone. And then I was like, did I just watch Christopher Nolan's Fight Club? What's happened? He was never really there.

Eli Price (51:45.582)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, he disappeared.

Wait, he's there, but now he's not.

Eli Price (52:04.754)
Yeah, I have We're gonna we're gonna get into that later because I have some I Have some theories that aren't so much theories of like what if this is what's going on? Like I don't know I don't it could I could just be like way overthinking it, but um, yeah We'll get into that later. I'll save it Yeah, you definitely have like the nonlinear structure is like this is where it all begins

And you know, we talked about some of the influences of that last week. Um, uh, if people want to go back and listen to that, um, I don't want to rehash all of that here, but yeah, you definitely have. He's just interested in. And I think here's where it's, why it's interesting to me is because like, there's a purpose behind the nonlinear structure. Um, and the purpose is, um, he has this character that's like.

like recollecting a story to an officer. And he just has this idea of when we talk in our normal conversations, just our everyday conversations, and we're like recollecting something to someone, we very rarely like tell it in a straight linear structure. We'll like start getting into it, and then we'll like be like, oh yeah, and before that this happened.

because you're remembering something and remembering another detail that's relevant to your story. And so very rarely in our conversation do we actually speak linearly in our narrative structure of our conversation. And so this film is just a narrative experiment of sorts of trying to make a film that's similar to that in the way we like.

Haydn Fabre (53:29.762)
Yeah.

Eli Price (53:57.378)
tell stories in conversation, which I think is actually really clever.

Haydn Fabre (54:02.162)
Oh yeah, because you'll often jump to the most exciting or important points whenever you're trying to recollect a story like you're saying. But those important points don't carry anything if you don't know how you actually got there. A lot of times, especially like that was like an interrogation almost, the conversation that he's having with the cop in the end. Especially in those high intensity situations, you feel like you want to get out the knowledge that you're not going to get out.

Eli Price (54:10.386)
Mm-hmm, like spittin' out a rubber glove.

Eli Price (54:17.578)
Yeah, yeah.

Eli Price (54:22.474)
Right.

Haydn Fabre (54:31.478)
you feel is most important to solidify your innocence or get your point across. And you often even neglect the foundational things of a story that could really set it up for being impactful.

Eli Price (54:37.026)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (54:44.394)
Right, right.

Haydn Fabre (54:45.258)
And that's the beauty of popping that foundation into the end.

Eli Price (54:48.926)
Yeah, yeah for sure and he kind of even said like the noir Element kind of buys you some extra creative space to like play with narrative structure and stuff Because he was because like you said it's a pretty like if you know how a noir works like if you if you've watched any other noir film, they all have a similar like You like there's intrigue. There's there's a bit of thrill

There's like kind of like what's really going on But in the but in the back of your mind when you're watching a noir, you know Like that at the end they're gonna like tie everything together Because that's what happens in a noir like you might not know where it's leading but you know, it's like leading somewhere And so he was kind of like, you know this Going with a noir story like people know like I might not be tracking fully with what's going on

but I know he's taking it somewhere, and it's gonna be interesting, at least. And so that kind of creates some space to play around with the structure a little bit, which makes sense to me. But yeah, I did go through, so on the Criterion Collection disc, there is actually a linear edit of the film.

Haydn Fabre (55:59.792)
Yeah. You have the confidence of the crowd.

Haydn Fabre (56:14.186)
Oh wow. That would be really fun.

Eli Price (56:15.27)
Yeah, so and it was kind of one of those things where Nolan was like because that was a lot of a lot of negative criticism around following was like oh like you know he's just like trying to show off and like do it like there's not really much to the story like it's just interesting because he did the non-linear structure and so like when the they did the criterion for it he re-like edited it for a linear

with a linear edit to kind of prove like, no, it's still like, it actually still works just as a linear story. I did it this way on. There's a reason I did it though.

Haydn Fabre (56:53.422)
It's not poor editing. It's intentional.

Eli Price (56:55.406)
Right. And I did, I scrubbed through it. I didn't like rewatch it again in the linear edit, but I did scrub through it and kind of go like, OK, now this is happening. Now this is happening as I went through. And and I was like, yeah, I could see how this actually still works just as a straight linear film noir. It would still be it would still be like an enjoyable, like good watch, I think.

I think the nonlinear structure does make it more interesting. Yeah, and I think it's because you're getting like it's basically all that's happening with the nonlinear structure Is that you're getting bits of information in a different order than you typically would. So like for instance like in the linear edit when they go to Burgle his own apartment. You don't know that it's his own apartment. You wouldn't know that it was on his own apartment yet. You would find that out later.

Haydn Fabre (57:26.838)
sets it apart, for sure.

Haydn Fabre (57:50.05)
Yeah.

Eli Price (57:52.362)
But in the nonlinear structure, you already know that it's his apartment because you've seen him in it before, later on. And you know, like, oh, this is his place. And so when they go to, like, when him and Cobb go to burglary, like, you already know, like, oh, he's taking him to his own apartment. Like, and so it's just like you think about things in a different way because you're getting information in a different order.

Haydn Fabre (58:12.537)
Mm-hmm.

Haydn Fabre (58:19.234)
Yeah, and it's able to frame what's most important to the story and what things deserve to be saved for big reveals that you don't quite get in a directly linear story because you're receiving all of the facts and information as they come in order of chronology, chronologically, chronology, whereas in nonlinear you get it in order of importance.

Eli Price (58:24.631)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (58:33.458)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (58:42.334)
Yeah, yeah, and it's Yeah, for sure but yeah the like you were saying like you kind of have to like you do have to switch around in your mind like Okay, he's got short hair and he's got a black eye here. So we're like Pretty later on in this in this story here. Oh, he's got like He's got long hair and he won't look anybody in the eye. We're like at the very beginning like So, yeah, you kind of have to do some switching around

as far as that goes in your mind. There's like three or four, I guess, depending on how you wanna break it down, like temporalities and the way it's edited with the non-linear is like, you're getting bits of all of these all jumbled up. So, but yeah, he talks too about the objects. So there's a lot of like objects, obviously, in this film. You get...

you get some cuts, cut to an object sort of things too. And so you get stuff added to the narrative with that. And that's something that he's carried on, I think, throughout all of his other films. You think about all the times where he's in a scene, and then he cuts to an object being looked at.

like being held and looked at sort of thing. And it's because like objects carry narrative structure. Yeah, and I think he related that back to like conversation too. Like we use objects as, in our conversation, we use objects as like kind of like anchor points for whatever story or idea we're communicating. Yeah, like.

Haydn Fabre (01:00:28.767)
Mm-hmm.

Haydn Fabre (01:00:32.246)
Yeah, like what was the state of this object in this moment? Where was the position of it is usually easier to remember than how you felt or what exactly you said sometimes.

Eli Price (01:00:36.116)
Right.

Eli Price (01:00:39.778)
Mm-hmm.

Right. Yeah, and like, for instance, like the hammer, like you see him like putting on the hammer. Well, then like when you see the hammer later being used in a like to do something like to, you know, when Cobb is like using the hammer at the end, you're like, oh, it's that hammer again. And then the cop has the hammer and he's like, here's this hammer with the with the two different bloods on it. Like, yeah, so it's this object that's kind of like helping tie everything together.

Haydn Fabre (01:01:05.634)
types of blood on it.

Eli Price (01:01:12.738)
That's like he, you know, he has the box at the end of the film and he's like pulling stuff out. He's like, here's this object and here's this object. And just like we kind of tie things together with like. Objects as anchor points in our conversation, like that's what Nolan is doing with all of these. Objects there at the end of the film, like tying all the loose ends together of the story. But yeah, it's interesting. I think that the.

I think that the noir kind of story is enhanced by the nonlinear structure. I think it makes it more like you really... I think what ends up happening is there's always a twist or a surprise in a noir. But I think what he does with this nonlinear structure is he keeps showing you things in the future and then jumping back.

And so he's making you feel like you're in on it. And so like when the first reveal happens, like you're like, ah yeah, like you see it coming. Like I was in on this the whole time. But then like he pulls the double on you and does the second reveal where like it's like, oh, he got me, you know. And I think he's like setting you up for that with a little bit, I think it's enhanced a little bit by that nonlinear structure. Did you get that feeling?

Haydn Fabre (01:02:39.082)
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, you can see the pieces and you think that you understand, but even something like an envelope is just such a barrier to information in film. And you can just take these extremely untrustworthy characters' word, ironically, for what's in them, for what's the actual plot of what's actually being hidden. But then like the moment that reveal happens, it changes. Like,

Eli Price (01:02:51.168)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:02:57.835)
Mm-hmm.

Haydn Fabre (01:03:08.126)
I think that the moment he looks at the pictures is what really flips the whole thing on its head for me. And the fact that it was a tiny piece of paper that was really dividing that information from our character, but also from us and the specific time that it's able to be revealed in the story gives us what, 55 minutes of film where we're, oh, we gotta get the envelope, we gotta get the envelope, we gotta get the envelope. This woman's life is in danger. If she doesn't.

Eli Price (01:03:13.867)
Anyway.

Eli Price (01:03:34.424)
Mm-hmm.

Haydn Fabre (01:03:37.998)
if we don't find this envelope, she's being abused. If we don't find this envelope, when we find the envelope and you're like, wait, something more is happening here and I don't quite know what it is yet. And that non-linear structure is able to reveal it in a very strategic and fun way.

Eli Price (01:03:42.464)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:03:48.567)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:03:53.086)
Yeah, yeah, I think too like, you know That's where it comes in is because like it's you know, it's a noir like because just everything about it is very noir and so You know that there's like a kind of a twist coming um and so like you kind of get the feeling that like He she's sending him on like a goose wild goose chase. Like there's not really Anything like they're setting him up for something um and so like

Haydn Fabre (01:04:17.559)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:04:22.938)
Yeah, that and yeah, something interesting too, like, um, with the, the way the story was being told was it's very much like in the first person, um, all the way up to that point. Like you're very much in, uh, the young man's kind of perspective. Yeah. Um, and then I think it seems like, um, I watched a little bit of the, I kind of scrubbed through the commentary.

Haydn Fabre (01:04:38.446)
You're only seeing him. Yeah, only seeing his thoughts.

Eli Price (01:04:49.478)
Um, and it seems like, um, I remember Nolan saying, uh, something about like switching to third person, um, in that scene, like where he, he's taking the, um, he's like taking the money off and he makes a phone call. Um, but you can't hear the person on the other line. And so you like, you've stopped being first person and like now you're, you're back like in third person. Um,

Haydn Fabre (01:05:16.172)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:05:16.97)
You can't hear the person on the what the person on the other line is saying. And then he's like looking at the photos and, um, and it's almost like you're now you're like sitting with them at the table as everything is being revealed in that interrogation sort of thing. Um, yeah, which is like, I think a lot of that stuff is like, it really like takes some extra thought to see what Nolan was doing, um,

And it helps me to appreciate these crafty things that he was doing with these switches that really to the naked eye aren't really there. And you have to do some digging and figure out, oh, there was an intentional choice here that I didn't even notice. I didn't notice it switched to that third-person point of view.

Haydn Fabre (01:06:10.486)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:06:12.395)
until I was watching that commentary and I was like, oh, he's right. Like...

Haydn Fabre (01:06:16.726)
You can feel the information beginning to spread and become more wide, but unless you have that benefit of hindsight to understand that there is a switch happening, you can't really appreciate it as much.

Eli Price (01:06:20.718)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:06:24.717)
Yeah.

Yeah For sure. Yeah, and um Yeah, there's a lot of like interesting things about this. Like I think the editing is actually like really good like I think the there's like that opening sequence where You're kind of like jumping around to different parts of the story like these little like flashes of Different parts of the story as he's like opening up

the scene, like opening up the police interrogation and telling the story to the officer. And he's going through the whole like, oh, but when you like focus in on one face in the crowd, then they become an individual. And right when he says that, it's like the camera's like panning to the right and it like threw a crowd and it lands on Cobb.

It lands on Cobb's face and then boom, you're in the interrogation room. Like that cut right as soon as it lands, and it lands on his face right when he's saying, they become an individual. It's like lands on his face, cut to the interrogation room. And I thought that was like, man, that was actually like some really impressive editing right there. Yeah, really cool. And then it's paralleled too with that. We kind of talked about it at the end where,

Haydn Fabre (01:07:42.146)
Yeah, pretty sick cut, yeah.

Eli Price (01:07:53.406)
I can't remember exactly what he's saying there at the end when Cobb like disappears. Um, but it's basically like as soon as the cop is like, it was you, then it's like Cobb and then someone like walks in front of the camera and then Cobb's gone.

Haydn Fabre (01:08:00.031)
Uh, yeah.

Haydn Fabre (01:08:07.042)
Yeah, I think he's talking through his address. No one ever lived there. It was a man, D. Lloyd lived there. There's no name of Cobb on the record. It's always been you. It was always just you.

Eli Price (01:08:12.838)
Mm-hmm. Right, right.

Eli Price (01:08:18.666)
It was always just you and that's when like Cobb disappears. And so, which that's like, I think Nolan said like they did like waste shots right there. So that like, if someone was looking, because they're shooting like just in an actual crowd of real people. So like if someone looks at the camera, like it's not gonna show because they're like at waste level with the view. I was like, oh, that's crafty, you know, that's smart. But yeah, that.

Haydn Fabre (01:08:21.985)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (01:08:29.48)
Hmm.

Haydn Fabre (01:08:35.004)
Ah, part of the gorilla stuff.

Haydn Fabre (01:08:44.194)
That is cool.

Eli Price (01:08:46.486)
Both of those edits are just so good. And I don't know, the last one maybe is a little bit of a gimmick, you could say. But it really worked for me. I thought it was great. But that first edit that we just talked about, I think, is undeniably really good. So yeah, you just see a lot of just filmmaking craft like that going on.

for Nolan in this debut feature that I think is really good. Yeah, there was a few more interesting things. There's the scene in the restaurant with... I never know if I should call him the young man or Bill because we don't actually know if his name is really Bill. But yeah, Bill's easier to say than the young man. So I'll just call him Bill.

Haydn Fabre (01:09:19.082)
He's clearly got a high level of skill already. That's evident.

Haydn Fabre (01:09:45.079)
I like pill.

Eli Price (01:09:45.09)
But you got Bill, Bill and the blonde in the restaurant was the only scene that was improv'd. And it's cause Nolan really wanted that scene to feel like real and less scripted. And to be honest, it did, but not in a very good way, in my opinion. That's like one of the weakest, weakest like parts of the movie to me. It feels kind of awkward.

Haydn Fabre (01:10:06.314)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:10:13.35)
And a lot of that has to do with the acting, not necessarily like anything on Nolan, but more just like the acting wasn't great. But yeah, you know, it's one of those things. It was funny listening in the commentary, Nolan was like, yeah, this is the only improv. And he was like, I was super nervous the whole time because of the film. Like I'm using film. Like I can't like.

Haydn Fabre (01:10:13.698)
Yeah, unfortunately I'd agree.

Eli Price (01:10:42.266)
use a lot of film because we don't have any money to buy more film. And so like he was like on edge the whole time. They were filming that like one improv scene in the restaurant, which I'm like, yeah, exactly. Right. Yeah, which I totally relate to, because like if we were to record a whole podcast and like then like all the footage is just like unusable, I'd be like

Haydn Fabre (01:10:55.382)
Yeah, because of bad improv and all of a sudden there goes a chunk of your film reel.

Eli Price (01:11:11.714)
I would be devastated. Yeah. I would be devastated because yeah, I'm not making money on this podcast. Not yet unless someone wants to donate a lot of money. Yeah. But yeah, I'm not making any money on this and I'm putting a lot of work into it because I really love it. And so I can kind of relate to like, man, if something just like.

Haydn Fabre (01:11:12.054)
Mike was unmuted the whole time. Just ruined it all. I'm muted the whole time.

Haydn Fabre (01:11:24.59)
Sponsor Eli. Sponsor the establishing shot.

Eli Price (01:11:39.862)
that I've spent a lot of time on just becomes unusable. Like, oh, that like makes me cringe. Like, I don't want to think about that. But yeah, that's more of a funny thing. Another funny thing is the safe. So the safe, where obviously all the money and then the MacGuffin of the pictures is, it was not in their script originally, but they found.

Haydn Fabre (01:11:47.926)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:12:07.894)
there was this safe in this bar where they were shooting, where that scene was shot at. And he was like, oh, we can use the safe and write the safe into the story. But the funny thing is that they couldn't open the safe. Like the people, I guess, that own the bar hadn't used it in forever and didn't even know the combination. And so like,

Haydn Fabre (01:12:34.382)
It's a big old block of metal.

Eli Price (01:12:36.274)
Yeah, so if you go back and actually watch, you never actually see the safe open. Because of the way he shot it, like as soon as like he's supposed to be opening it, I like I guess they added in some sound like of a safe opening and like you just see him putting money on top of the safe, like pulling out all the cash and throwing it on top. And so like the way the shot is framed, like you just kind of see the very edge of the top of the safe. You don't actually see it.

Haydn Fabre (01:12:52.75)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:13:06.355)
I'm like, man, that's actually like really smart. Yeah

Haydn Fabre (01:13:08.426)
Yeah, really creative way to deal with a problem that you didn't expect like that. For sure.

Eli Price (01:13:12.742)
Right and Emma Thomas and Nolan spent like hours and hours on end like printing like just photocopy printing all of that Cash and like crumpling it up to make it look like real cash Yeah, I know He was laughing about it in the commentary because he was like, i'm you know, i'm pretty sure it's like a federal offense to print Print money, uh on

Haydn Fabre (01:13:26.862)
That was a lot of cash too. Those stacks of cash.

Haydn Fabre (01:13:40.91)
As long as you don't try and use it, you're good, Nolan.

Eli Price (01:13:43.642)
Right. I thought that was fun. Fun, like little fact. But yeah. Yeah, just kind of closing out. I had mentioned like. That we might talk about this, so let's get into like the ending of this film, like what? Here's the OK, here's the two directions I feel like you can take with this or maybe well, yeah, two.

two directions with one of the directions having like, kind of like a, it works for you or it doesn't sort of thing. And that's like the more straightforward, which is like at the end, when the reveal of everything that actually was happening, where, where like, Cobb was like Cobb and the blonde were basically like setting him up, setting the young man up the whole time, but then at the same time, like Cobb is also like

setting the blonde up and thus like double setting up the young man bill Right, um, like you can take that as like just straightforward so like when the interrogation is ending and all that's being revealed like then that's just like what happened and I guess in that way like cob disappearing there at the end is just kind of like oh like he got off scott free um

Haydn Fabre (01:14:48.138)
Yeah, everyone's setting each other up. Yeah.

Eli Price (01:15:12.182)
at the end. And so like, that's like, I guess the straightforward way of looking at it, which to me like is still makes it like a fun movie, like a good movie, and actually like a little bit less. Well, no, like, usually there is a bit of a tragicness to the end of a of a noir, I guess.

Haydn Fabre (01:15:36.023)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:15:37.53)
So like it follows still following like more conventions as far as that goes But um Yeah, and so and then that can like obviously like I said that can like work for you or just like kind of be dull And not work for you and be like okay, whatever like oh you got me You know I can see having that sort of reaction to it So yeah, there's that way which I feel like probably the first time I watched it

I've probably watched it for the first time three, four years ago. I don't remember. That's probably kind of how I saw it. This time I was like really thinking about it afterwards and just like part of it is just spurred probably by just sticking into Christopher Nolan and really doing a lot of like study for this. But there's like

There's obviously like either way you look at it, there's the parallel between like this guy, the young man being this like aspiring writer with like nothing really to his name. And then, you know, Christopher Nolan is in a similar position where like he's aspiring to be this filmmaker, this writer and filmmaker, but like not much to his, not really anything to his name, not really anything to work with.

And so you have that parallel there. But I almost wonder if there's a more like, I don't know if you would say meta element, but sort of meta element to this where it is actually like.

much more, it's more like a movie about a film being made than like just supposed to be taken as a straight noir. But in a way where you can still take it just as a straight noir story if you want to, but then there's this like deeper kind of thing going on. But yeah, so like, so let me explain real quick. So you have Bill.

Haydn Fabre (01:17:27.86)
Hmm.

Haydn Fabre (01:17:42.667)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:17:51.702)
The theory I would have is that Bill is writing the story through the movie. That was one of the questions I had. I wrote my notes while I was watching this movie is it keeps cutting to him at his typewriter at various points throughout the story. The simple take is that he's just taking notes on what he's experienced so that he can write about it later. Or maybe even like...

Haydn Fabre (01:17:59.182)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:18:19.294)
writing the story of what's been happening. But I almost wonder if that actually is the main thing of what's going on, is him writing the story. And so him writing the story is the center of it all. So that would make, I guess you could still take it as a straight noir, and everything that they said happen actually happen.

or everything that you see happen actually happened. Or you could take it as Cobb actually was in his head the whole time. And he is so desperate to make something that he's the one that actually has been doing all of this stuff. And he's just been so wrapped up in it and writing the story with Cobb in it. So Cobb is actually a character in the story.

Um, but, and he's actually doing all these things kind of like out of his mind. Um, thinking that kind of like, you know, like fight the fight club kind of thing. Um,

Haydn Fabre (01:19:19.842)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (01:19:32.826)
Yeah, I think the way that I read it was, or my theory, if you will, was that the film opens on this idea that in a crowd, anyone is anyone. In a crowd, you blend in, you're not a part of it really, but as soon as you lock on to someone, they become an individual. And my theory is that perhaps...

Eli Price (01:19:37.088)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:19:56.174)
Mm-hmm.

Haydn Fabre (01:20:02.126)
he's leaning too far into this assumption that, well, as long as I'm in the crowd, I'm not able to be identified. And then fabricating these stories in his mind of, oh, well, that person's probably doing this, or that person probably has this going on, or that. Almost like a rear window, Alfred Hitchcock type of thing, where he's fabricating these stories of people that he's watching, and then maybe even taking it a step further to actually.

Eli Price (01:20:11.234)
Hmm.

Eli Price (01:20:29.41)
and acting on it.

Haydn Fabre (01:20:30.658)
do the acts himself. And then maybe all of that culminates in kind of what you're saying as a him trying to write his story and becoming so obsessed with the story writing process.

Eli Price (01:20:32.426)
Yeah, yeah.

Eli Price (01:20:40.522)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and I think I think in that way like Cobb So like in my like melding our thoughts together. I guess like Cobb is This like driving character so like go like go back to like they're the first burglar He goes to with Cobb and Cobb's going through the whole spiel of like Take away take it away and show them what they had and he's going through that whole thing

And it's kind of this idea of like what he's doing is actually like helping people, which is probably a little self-deluded, but it's this idea of like, let me shake up this person's life. And what I'm doing is I'm like revealing something to them about themselves, and they're going to grow as people because of what I've done to shake up their lives.

Haydn Fabre (01:21:17.934)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Eli Price (01:21:40.474)
And I think there's a degree to which that actually is true to real life. Like when your life is shaken up and your kind of things are revealed to you about yourself and you're able to grow through that. Like I think that's, I think there's some truth to that. Um, it's not necessarily like anything super profound or like mega insightful. Um, I think most people would agree with that. Um, but it's almost like, it's almost like Bill or the young man has like written this character.

And that even might be too like why we don't actually like know his name. Like maybe Bill is a character in his story. Bill like maybe Bill is the character in his story and he like comes up with this name for himself. And but yeah, he so Cobb is like this fictional guy he's written into his story, but is also like pretending is real because. What what Cobb the character is doing is like shaking up.

his life and making him grow as a writer. Making him like become interested in writing again, like having an idea that's spurring him on. And yeah, and then it turns out like when he's actually in the interrogation room and he's like telling this story to the cop, it's actually like all, like it actually all has been him the whole time.

Haydn Fabre (01:22:50.615)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:23:09.858)
but he's just been so wrapped up and kind of out of his mind writing the story that he's really thought Cobb was actually there. Um, and maybe, and here's, I guess where I'll wrap up my theory is he actually didn't have the ending of his story until that moment. So like as the cop is telling him, like pulling out the objects and like telling him, like basically revealing to him that, no, this is you.

There never was a Cobb on record. There never was this other murder of this old lady or whatever. He's actually like, that's when you start cutting to what happens with Cobb at the end. And I'm almost wondering if like, oh, he's finally like coming up with the ending to his story that he's been writing right there. But he never gets to write it because he's going to the slammer.

Haydn Fabre (01:23:56.362)
Yeah, I love that. I think it's a really fun take.

Cause he, yeah, maybe he will get to write it because he's going to the slammer. Now he's got all the free time. Maybe he wrote larceny and that's why we can't see it. Full circle.

Eli Price (01:24:05.601)
Um.

Maybe, maybe he will write it in the slammer.

Eli Price (01:24:15.766)
Maybe. Hmm. Full circle. But yeah, that's my like probably like totally way off theory of like something deeper going on with the movie following, which is really just Nolan making a noir film that he kind of like did something interesting with. But yeah.

Haydn Fabre (01:24:40.566)
Yeah, I think it's fun to think like that and consider what it might be, even if you're completely off base. This is why we watch movies.

Eli Price (01:24:47.147)
Yeah.

Right, it's fun. It's fun to think through these things, I think. Yeah, did you have any final thoughts on this one? Just like.

Haydn Fabre (01:25:02.93)
I think my final thoughts are kind of what our opening thoughts were. This is a flawed film. It's a film with some clunky set pieces. It's a film with some really rough acting, even some spotty writing. It's a very imperfect film, but it's a film that was done on about the tightest budget that you can...

Eli Price (01:25:11.224)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:25:25.728)
Mm-hmm.

Haydn Fabre (01:25:30.434)
Possibly make a film one. I don't understand how they made a film for that amount of money. I That just seems absurd to be able to do that like I've got an iPhone that has the ability to record video and I don't think that I could create something as Awesome as this is but especially in the context of the rest of his films It's just it's just a fun first step because you do see those threads. You do see that inspiration And it's clear that he had the vision from the beginning

Eli Price (01:25:36.023)
They did it though.

Eli Price (01:25:44.75)
the

Eli Price (01:25:53.379)
Mm-hmm.

Haydn Fabre (01:26:00.054)
because throughout his career he just grows into bigger and bigger and more audacious and just more large scale projects. But yeah, I think that this is a fun stepping stone. It's a fun beginning. It's not perfect, but it's something that definitely had all the indications of a genius and artist, a generational artist in the making.

Eli Price (01:26:08.802)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:26:21.474)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah for sure and I think it's really cool. He so when he moved kind of came to America because there's not really a there's not really like a festival circuit or at least or wasn't that he could like apply the film to in England at the time and so he came over here and He actually met up with Jonathan which the family calls him Jonah

Jonathan Nolan, the younger brother, he met up with him and they were basically driving his car from like Chicago to LA. And they were just, Jonathan shared this idea with him about this guy that has amnesia, but he had learned about this type of amnesia that like wasn't like you forget everything, but just like you can't make new memories basically.

Haydn Fabre (01:26:53.324)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:27:16.09)
And so like he was like sharing this idea with Nolan and then they just like started going off So like he actually started writing the script for memento Just like in downtime when he was trying to get following like to get a fest get like accepted at festivals and stuff and so like it was kind of like a which we'll talk more about it next week, but like

It was kind of like a happy accident that he had Memento ready to go because people, you know, when you run a film that people are like, oh, this is, there's something to this at festivals, then, you know, you have people come into you like, hey, do you have something else? Like, what are you planning on doing next? And he, he could be like, here's the, like, here's the script, like, read it and let me know, you know. Yeah. And so, and that was all she wrote.

Haydn Fabre (01:27:59.51)
Yeah, they expect the next.

Yeah, check it out and give me money. Yeah.

Eli Price (01:28:11.038)
as far as that goes. But we'll get into more detail about that next week. But I did have a final thought, just kind of like a takeaway that we can come away with. Not so much from the movie or the narrative itself, but just the way it was made. I think there's a quote that I don't know if we know exactly where it originated, but I think it's often attributed to Orson Welles.

that says the enemy of art is the absence of limitation. And I think that's true not just with art but with anything like any sort of creative endeavor whether it's like you know, we create art is what we typically think of as creative but really like anything that you're making or building whether it's a business or a family or whatever it may be is a creative endeavor.

And so like I was just thinking about like that idea applied to art for people that like are artists creators, but also like just to all the listeners that Might not be an artist but still like our create have these other creative endeavors in their life and that like when we try We often like see limitations as like barriers But but I do love this quote and how it applies to what?

Christopher Nolan was able to do, him and his crew were able to make with basically nothing. They had nothing but limitations, but he sparked the beginning of just an incredible career of creativity. And so I don't know. I was just thinking about, man, that's something that we can all really take away with. You have this guy that had these just like.

Haydn Fabre (01:29:55.138)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:30:07.662)
thought experiments going on in his head about crowds and social constructs and stuff. That grew into a story that he made into a film. That film was made with these innovations that came out of the limitations he was facing. Man, it grew a whole career. It blossomed an incredible...

with someone that I feel like is at this point is like as much of a Hollywood household name as you can get these days like

Haydn Fabre (01:30:44.818)
Oh yeah. Well, this is his only film to not be in the IMDb top 250. Like this is only one that is considered a myth. Like he's, oh yeah.

Eli Price (01:30:49.982)
Yeah. And so.

Eli Price (01:30:55.422)
Yeah. And so I don't know, I'm just thinking about like, just, you know, something we can take away. Like, don't let limitations in your life to whatever limitations you might be facing. Like, don't see it as an obstacle, but see it as something that gives you space to like innovate and be creative and like find new ways to do things. And so, yeah, I just thought that was a fun, cool takeaway.

Haydn Fabre (01:31:24.566)
Yeah, that's a great note.

Eli Price (01:31:27.238)
Yeah, what so let's do our arbitrary ratings I Give this a solid three and a half stars Because I think it's a fun movie and yeah, and yeah

Haydn Fabre (01:31:33.366)
Yeah, completely subjective.

Haydn Fabre (01:31:43.254)
Yeah, I'm sitting right below you. I think I'm at a three. Yeah.

Eli Price (01:31:46.706)
a three. I think a three is good. A good score. I'm probably giving it, it's kind of inevitable when you do so much study on something that you appreciate it more. But I think probably like a three is probably a good score for it. I'm giving it the extra half star just because of all the, I mean just like making something like this with no budget is just like super impressive to me.

Haydn Fabre (01:31:59.276)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (01:32:15.131)
Oh yeah, absolutely.

Eli Price (01:32:16.614)
And so that's probably where my extra half star comes from. But yeah, the acting is like really bad in this. There's there's definitely some big flaws.

Haydn Fabre (01:32:23.382)
Yeah, it's just, it's a movie, it's a movie with no cinematographer, no editor, no sound editor with one actor that continued to do any kind of work there. So like objectively outside of like the behind the scenes things, it's really not that, it's a good film, but it's not that great of a film, but with the hindsight of this was the budget, this was the films that came after as soon as this guy was given a budget.

Eli Price (01:32:30.57)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:32:35.656)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:32:40.215)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Haydn Fabre (01:32:53.394)
It definitely, it's definitely not anything that I think that you should keep below a two and a half star. If you start dropping below that halfway point, then you're doing something wrong.

Eli Price (01:32:53.4)
Right.

Eli Price (01:32:59.551)
Oh yeah.

Eli Price (01:33:03.038)
Yeah, yeah, and I think I think pretty much consensus is that this is like either no one's worst film or at least like the lowest tier of his films. Right.

Haydn Fabre (01:33:12.342)
Yeah, and not because he missed any notes or anything, but just because he didn't have the means to do it yet.

Eli Price (01:33:19.722)
Right. Yeah. And he was figuring it out, too. This was like, you know, Nolan didn't go to film school. This was his film. Like making this film was his film school. He was learning. He was learning how to do it as he went. So, yeah, really impressive. Yeah, I would say definitely for sure. Low tier. I don't know.

Haydn Fabre (01:33:29.055)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:33:45.182)
I'll have to see where I land after we make it through the filmography as far as like is it at the very bottom or is that like something like tenant or insomnia or you know dark night rises like. But it's definitely and I know for a fact it'll be it'll end up like in the lowest tier of Nolan films for sure but yeah next week we've got memento.

which should be really fun. I'm looking forward to that. It's been, yeah, it's been a minute since I watched my Minto, and so I'm actually looking forward to it. Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (01:34:23.734)
Memento was the first one that I dove into after Interstellar. Um, so I have very fond memories. Yeah.

Eli Price (01:34:27.834)
Okay, yeah. I feel like that's a good one. Yeah, I feel like that's a good, like if you're getting into like the interstellar, like popular, like Nolan film, then like jumping back to Memento is a really good place to start.

Haydn Fabre (01:34:43.234)
It's a nice in between. It's not too far over the top, but it's not indie like this. But it still has that noir feel. Yeah, I'm excited to hear y'all talk about it.

Eli Price (01:34:46.485)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:34:49.813)
Yeah, yeah.

Eli Price (01:34:54.378)
Yep, so that'll be next week for now. We're gonna take a quick break and Come back with a movie draft the movie draft is back, baby, and Yeah I'm ready We might we might riff on some movie news. We might not we'll see you'll have to come back after the break and And find out so we will see you in just a minute

Haydn Fabre (01:35:06.754)
Draftin'!

Haydn Fabre (01:35:10.627)
I'm not.

Eli Price (01:35:23.459)
Read.

Haydn Fabre (01:35:25.878)
Woo!

Eli Price (01:35:36.706)
Let me see if Robin needs me to help with the baby or not.

Haydn Fabre (01:35:42.875)
Le Bebe!

Eli Price (01:36:00.586)
and then we will jump back into it.

Haydn Fabre (01:36:04.02)
Yuh.

Eli Price (01:36:05.142)
Dude, I'm ready. There's some like, really actually really good movies in this like that are available in this draft.

Haydn Fabre (01:36:15.85)
Yeah, I had a rough time figuring them out. So, excited to react to it.

Eli Price (01:36:20.258)
There were some letterbox lists that I pulled from. Did you look on letterboxed?

Haydn Fabre (01:36:23.702)
Yeah, I did. There were a lot of them that I like, after a little bit of research, I was like, that's not even there. Like there were so many Ladybirds. I'm like, that's not even her true directorial debut. That's her solo, but that's not like her true one. There was a couple of things that I was like, ah.

Eli Price (01:36:44.758)
Yeah, I mean Lady Bird is her first.

Eli Price (01:36:49.706)
Yeah, I guess like she did do a co-directing job, but yeah, I don't know that counts.

Haydn Fabre (01:36:53.035)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (01:36:56.47)
Yeah. Well then did none of the Daniels films count? Because they're co-directing them.

Eli Price (01:37:02.742)
Well, I feel like it's different.

Haydn Fabre (01:37:04.962)
Yeah, I'm just kidding.

Eli Price (01:37:08.922)
Okay, I'm gonna go help Robin get LC back down in like five minutes or so. So if you need a break.

Haydn Fabre (01:37:19.266)
Cool.

Eli Price (01:37:20.514)
Feel free. But yeah, I'm opening this door because it's hella hot in here. Whew.

Haydn Fabre (01:37:28.814)
I'm sure, get in that closet.

Eli Price (01:37:31.086)
Come on, AC.

Eli Price (01:37:43.626)
Dude, when you get a kid, when y'all make a baby eventually, this book, really cool.

Haydn Fabre (01:37:47.338)
Yeah? We make a child.

Best old movies for families. Sweet!

Eli Price (01:37:52.846)
old best old movies for families. It's really cool. Yeah, he has like he has movies broken into different like age categories. And it's basically like it's all like classic films. And and then he'll have like yeah, like, for instance, he'll have. So like we watched the adventures of Robin Hood with his heel because it was on the list for four and up.

Haydn Fabre (01:38:07.51)
Yeah, group by when they can receive it.

Eli Price (01:38:21.95)
And he has like what the cell of the movie is like the cell, the original superhero. It's like, Oh yeah. Yeah. And then he kind of, yeah, he'll give like some, uh, pause button explanations. So like, if there's anything that film that like, for that age group, it's like, you need to pause and kind of like explain, um, he'll like, he puts that in there. And then he puts like, why, like why it's, um, you know,

Haydn Fabre (01:38:27.87)
Oh, that's fun. What to tell your kids to get them to watch it?

Haydn Fabre (01:38:36.066)
Hmm.

Haydn Fabre (01:38:42.699)
Yeah.

Nice.

Eli Price (01:38:52.074)
Wyatt's in the book has a suggestion for this age group. And then he'll even put, like, if they liked this, then here's some other similar things you can introduce them to. So it's really cool. It's like a guide. But yeah, he has, oh, what are the different categories?

Haydn Fabre (01:39:03.41)
Oh, that's really helpful. Yeah.

Eli Price (01:39:14.126)
toddlers tweeners and teenagers So like yeah And then like he has like starter

Haydn Fabre (01:39:18.526)
That's cool. Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (01:39:24.622)
because I'm trying to figure out what to show our students too.

Eli Price (01:39:27.986)
Yeah. Oh, this would be a good one for that because he has like, um, he has the teenager in the tweener categories. Um, and he has like the first chapter is like starter kits for each age, age category. And then like the rest is like, um, uh, like genre, like comedy, drama, musicals, that sort of thing. It's broken down by, by genre. Yeah, it's really, it's a really cool little book. Like,

Haydn Fabre (01:39:36.526)
sweet.

Haydn Fabre (01:39:53.526)
Awesome.

Eli Price (01:39:57.866)
It's probably not one I'll ever read through, you know? But it's really awesome as a reference book. Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (01:40:01.742)
Yeah, it's a good reference resource.

Eli Price (01:40:09.354)
Yeah, I figured I'd talk about it. Talk a bit about that idea of like introducing your kids to, to kind of classic cinema early on, um, and then like let Ezekiel do his little Robin Hood and Wizard of Oz review.

Haydn Fabre (01:40:29.518)
That could be an in-between series. We're gonna walk through five films. You could show your two through five year old, whatever. That'd be cool.

Eli Price (01:40:42.41)
Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah. I think we're gonna watch Singing in the Rain with him next. He really did. He liked Wizard of Oz a lot. Like, he'll talk about it sometimes. And Robin Hood too. Like, I know for sure, like, he didn't completely understand what was happening in Robin Hood. But there's like...

Haydn Fabre (01:40:48.546)
Ooh. I think we're fine.

Haydn Fabre (01:40:55.327)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:41:08.906)
It's slow enough where you're like, oh yeah, this is like classic cinema, but it's also like, there's enough action where it's like, he's interested in it, you know, like there's sword fights and like archery contests and you know.

Haydn Fabre (01:41:16.97)
Yeah, he's at least entertained.

Haydn Fabre (01:41:23.018)
Yeah, some tension.

Eli Price (01:41:26.09)
Yeah. And he like, smiled really big and blushed when Robin Hood had made Mary and start kissing.

Haydn Fabre (01:41:33.486)
Hmm, Zeke.

funny man.

Eli Price (01:41:40.85)
Yeah. All right. Let me see. When did she text that? All right. I'm going to go help with the baby and I'll be right back.

Haydn Fabre (01:41:50.082)
Alright, I'll be here waiting for you.

Eli Price (01:43:51.063)
Thank you.

Eli Price (01:43:56.737)
Oof.

Haydn Fabre (01:44:27.595)
Yo yo yo!

Eli Price (01:44:29.153)
No.

Haydn Fabre (01:44:31.722)
I am back. Appreciate it. Put that baby down.

Eli Price (01:44:32.234)
that baby down.

Eli Price (01:44:47.511)
Alright.

Eli Price (01:44:51.63)
Bro, I think I am ready when you are.

Eli Price (01:44:59.606)
You just let me know.

Haydn Fabre (01:45:04.944)
Uah!

Eli Price (01:45:15.99)
By the way, following is not draftable.

Eli Price (01:45:21.803)
I kind of doubt you were going to draft following, but.

Eli Price (01:45:53.146)
You ready?

Eli Price (01:45:56.765)
Are you still tweaking?

Can you hear me?

Haydn Fabre (01:46:02.222)
I can't hear you now. Or yet.

Eli Price (01:46:06.798)
Think I'm on.

Haydn Fabre (01:46:08.386)
There it is.

Eli Price (01:46:09.494)
Yeah. Do you hear me?

Haydn Fabre (01:46:12.498)
Now I can, yes.

Eli Price (01:46:14.461)
Okay.

Haydn Fabre (01:46:16.01)
I couldn't for a moment.

Eli Price (01:46:19.342)
Cool. Yeah, I'm ready when you are, unless you're still tweaking your list.

Haydn Fabre (01:46:24.554)
I'm ready. I don't have enough, but I'm ready. I'm never good at these drafts. I just pick movies I like, you know what I'm saying?

Eli Price (01:46:29.666)
You don't have enough.

Ha ha ha.

Eli Price (01:46:36.778)
Or if you run out, then we'll just stop.

Haydn Fabre (01:46:39.938)
I'm just going to do a quick Google search if I run out and then pick the first one that pops up.

for some reason I have, let me see, one, two, three, four, five, six, I have eight of them on my list right now. The chances of you drafting at least four of them are probably high and then I'll just figure it out afterwards, you know?

Eli Price (01:47:01.87)
Let me do this.

Haydn Fabre (01:47:03.522)
But I only picked my like, I got my top ones, you know? Like there's a couple in there that I didn't put on the list cause I was like, you know what? There's a couple that I like know are great movies that I just haven't seen and I feel wrong drafting them. You know, I'm not gonna draft something I haven't seen cause I don't want, I can't actually testify to how good it is.

Eli Price (01:47:17.262)
Mm. Yeah. Right.

Eli Price (01:47:25.05)
Well, I'll try to keep a...

Haydn Fabre (01:47:28.77)
I'm not going to tell you which ones they are because then you're going to save them for last.

Eli Price (01:47:32.662)
Well, I'm gonna keep, uh...

Eli Price (01:47:36.874)
I mean, I'll keep things spicy. I have like one that I really want that I'm going to try to save, hoping that you don't have it on your list.

Haydn Fabre (01:47:48.147)
I think I know what it is, jerk.

Eli Price (01:47:52.686)
We'll see.

Haydn Fabre (01:47:52.987)
I'm gonna get some random stuff from way deep in here.

Eli Price (01:47:58.546)
All right.

Haydn Fabre (01:47:58.614)
I'm just gonna pull out like Charlie Chaplin's even though I've never seen it before. All those random films. Yeah, just start drafting on this.

Eli Price (01:48:03.918)
the kid. I actually have the kid way down on my list.

Haydn Fabre (01:48:10.29)
Okay, great. Like it.

Eli Price (01:48:11.582)
I wasn't like a big fan of the kid, but...

Haydn Fabre (01:48:14.616)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:48:16.03)
It's probably better than I liked it, but I'm not planning on drafting the kid. But I have seen it.

Haydn Fabre (01:48:23.351)
I understand.

Haydn Fabre (01:48:31.918)
I think I know what you're talking about. If I get it right, we'll just laugh about it. You doubt it? Okay.

Eli Price (01:48:37.742)
I kind of doubt it. Well, it's just like, it's one of those things where like, I feel like before movie drafts, I'll talk with someone and we both think we're talking about the same thing and it's like totally different. Like happens every time.

Haydn Fabre (01:48:51.21)
Yeah. Yeah, that's the nature for sure.

Eli Price (01:48:56.878)
All right. Well, well, I'm ready when you are. OK, we'll do we might like riff on some movie news for just like a minute or two. And then jump into the draft. But yeah, I'll do a let's do a quick quiet pause so I can find the break in the audio to edit.

Haydn Fabre (01:49:00.482)
For anyone you are.

Eli Price (01:49:28.094)
Hey everyone, welcome back to the establishing shot. We had a great time talking about Christopher Nolan's debut feature film, Following. Yeah, it was a good discussion. I enjoyed it. Yeah, I had mentioned something about it earlier. And my wife was like, oh, it's just Following. It's not The Following. I was like, no, it's just Follow.

Haydn Fabre (01:49:54.378)
I probably said the following a handful of times and I'm going to get roasted by everyone for saying the following.

Eli Price (01:50:00.182)
I don't think you did. I don't, because I probably would have made a joke about it if you did, probably would have called you out.

Haydn Fabre (01:50:05.294)
Because when I pulled it up to, I saw the following, a TV show with Ethan Hawke that's pretty solid, you know, but not same thing at all. It's about a cult and stuff. It's about a crazy cult.

Eli Price (01:50:10.454)
The TV show, yeah. Right.

Eli Price (01:50:16.242)
Okay, yeah, I've never seen that show but um, oh yeah, that's right. I forgot that was a thing until just now. I knew there was a show called the following. I just forgot that that's what it was about.

Haydn Fabre (01:50:30.538)
Yeah, murder's all turning into crazy stuff.

Eli Price (01:50:33.842)
Yeah, yeah, typically we do, you know, some movie news and a movie news segment. But man, I just like I have nothing to talk about as far as movie news goes. We're in like a total lull. We were texting before earlier today and just like, man, do you have anything you want to talk about for movie news? And there's nothing, man.

Haydn Fabre (01:50:50.195)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (01:50:59.726)
I don't know. It's just a dull time right now. And the writer's strike has kind of put a damp on the actor's strike has kind of put a damp on, on just everything movies right now. It's hard to really talk about anything. It's hard to even get excited about anything. Yeah. I mean, like, you know, the I'm reading Killers of the Flower Moon right now and getting hyped up for something like that. But there's not. I am.

Eli Price (01:51:02.687)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:51:09.566)
Yeah, yeah, just not really there's not a whole lot of press

Eli Price (01:51:21.079)
Okay.

Eli Price (01:51:24.804)
How far into it are you?

Haydn Fabre (01:51:28.43)
I think I got a Kindle last week, so it says that I'm 21% of the way through. So I'm learning all about the Osages and their unfortunate ending.

Eli Price (01:51:31.47)
There you go.

Nice.

Eli Price (01:51:41.47)
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's cool. I probably will not get to read the book before I see the movie. But um, But yeah, i'll definitely be hitting you up to find out more Yeah

Haydn Fabre (01:51:48.106)
Yeah, if it spurs your interest, it's really fun. Like it's a very well done book.

Eli Price (01:51:56.847)
Yeah, that's good. That's what I've heard. I've heard it that the book is very good But yeah, Oh, oh Marty I cannot resist Seeing the new Marty movie. So yeah, but yeah

Haydn Fabre (01:52:10.038)
Yeah, I think this will be the first Martin Scorsese film that I see in theaters. Like I just don't, I just don't recall ever seeing anything.

Eli Price (01:52:18.206)
I'm trying to think if I have or not.

Haydn Fabre (01:52:20.526)
Cause the most recent was the Irishman and that went straight to Netflix. So yeah, dude, don't tell them where we're from. They're going to stalk us.

Eli Price (01:52:23.19)
Yeah, that was straight to Netflix. I don't think it showed in theaters here in Lafayette.

Eli Price (01:52:33.33)
Yeah, go ahead. It would be the most boring, stalking job you ever have. But yeah, I don't know that I have seen any Scorsese movies in theater now that I think about it. Let's see. Let's pull it up. Have I seen any of these in theater? I haven't.

Haydn Fabre (01:52:40.394)
It would be, yeah.

Haydn Fabre (01:52:50.067)
Yeah, I can't think of anything.

Haydn Fabre (01:53:01.982)
is the most recent one before Irishman, is it Shutter Island or am I too far back? Yeah, and I don't think I would have wanted to go see that traumatizing movie in theaters. Just kidding, it's an incredible film, but whew.

Eli Price (01:53:02.786)
That's sad.

Eli Price (01:53:08.592)
No silence.

Eli Price (01:53:16.198)
Oh man, that is that yeah, it's an incredible movie. But yeah, for sure. Very like.

Haydn Fabre (01:53:23.67)
I'm like, come on, Callie, bring your friends. Let's go to movie night. They all walk out traumatized.

Eli Price (01:53:26.574)
Ha ha ha.

Yeah. I saw Shutter Island, like, not, like, far removed from its release, but I didn't see it in theaters. Yeah. I did watch The Color of Money the other day for the first time. Yeah, it was really good. It's like, it's almost like Paul Newman teaching Tom Cruise how to be like a charismatic movie star.

Haydn Fabre (01:53:39.382)
Yeah, that would have been fun, experience that with everybody.

Yeah, I haven't seen that one.

Eli Price (01:53:59.242)
Uh, but in the form of hustling billiards. Um, yeah.

Haydn Fabre (01:54:05.57)
Great. I love movies that are in like super specific spots of like, you know, like a like moneyball super specific, anything like that. It just fires me up.

Eli Price (01:54:10.622)
Oh yeah. There's. Yeah.

Eli Price (01:54:18.442)
Yeah, the color of money, there's a lot of balls banging around on the table. So all through the movie. It's yeah, a lot of it's funny. It's almost like Scorsese is just like, let me see how many fun ways I can follow a billiard ball across a pool table. Like, yeah, you should check it out. It's on.

Haydn Fabre (01:54:22.657)
Whoa!

Haydn Fabre (01:54:26.614)
Yeah, I love that stuff.

Haydn Fabre (01:54:42.039)
beautiful.

Haydn Fabre (01:54:45.931)
Out yeah

Eli Price (01:54:47.278)
It's on Paramount Plus. Yeah. So yeah.

Haydn Fabre (01:54:48.994)
I just might. Okay, great. I think my mom has Paramount Plus. I'll hack into her account. Here you go.

Eli Price (01:54:54.554)
Mm, yeah, sharing pass, stop sharing pass codes.

Haydn Fabre (01:54:59.102)
I don't share passcodes. Are you standing with SAG-AFRA if you share passcodes? Because technically you're taking money away from.

Eli Price (01:55:07.438)
I feel like...

Hmm. So here's what I've heard is that standing with SAG-AFRA is like only for people that are actually in SAG. They're like, if you're not in SAG, then keep doing what you do.

Haydn Fabre (01:55:11.874)
I don't know. But then they don't have enough money to pay them.

Haydn Fabre (01:55:22.007)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (01:55:25.422)
There's no, I support you, don't get me wrong, but yeah, there's something.

Eli Price (01:55:28.494)
keep watching movies and reviewing them and all that. They're like, yeah, keep doing it. Yeah. That's what I've heard. That's what I read somewhere. And I don't know how reliable that source was, but it made sense to me because they're like, we can't do press for it, but the movies are for you. We want you to still enjoy them sort of thing. So yeah. And it's not like at this point, movies that are already made, it's not like.

Haydn Fabre (01:55:31.79)
Great. That sounds good. I'll keep doing that.

Haydn Fabre (01:55:48.887)
Okay.

I'm on board. Great, I'll keep watching movies.

Eli Price (01:55:58.07)
They can remake money off of it. They already got paid what they're going to get paid for that movie sort of thing.

Haydn Fabre (01:55:58.248)
Yeah, they should be in, yeah.

Haydn Fabre (01:56:03.402)
Yeah, I don't think at any point they called for like a boycott or anything. They're just not happy, which reasonable.

Eli Price (01:56:07.902)
Yeah, yeah, they're just Yeah, I mean I feel like there's legit for sure legitimacy to all of it as far as like What i've seen like the sorts of like contracts that these people are having to sign and whatnot. It's like it's ridiculous like Uh Like residuals that are like I mean like someone's get uh, there's a movie that's making like

Haydn Fabre (01:56:24.886)
Yeah, no it is, absolutely.

Eli Price (01:56:37.662)
I don't know, like hundreds of millions of dollars and you're getting like a residual of like 50 bucks, a check in the mail for like 50 bucks. It's like, what? Um, but anyways, yeah, that was our very random movie news. Like yeah, there's, there wasn't much news more just, I guess it was like news about like what.

Haydn Fabre (01:56:46.722)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (01:56:55.698)
Movie news, movie news, movie news.

Eli Price (01:57:06.066)
what we like about what Scorsese movies we haven't seen in theaters and news about like what Scorsese movie I watched most recently. So there's that. And what, what the news about what book you have read that Scorsese is adapting or you're reading currently anyways.

Haydn Fabre (01:57:14.506)
Yeah, there's your knees.

Haydn Fabre (01:57:21.494)
Yes. All of the news that we shared, you could get from a very quick Google search and a visit to Eli's Letterboxd page and my Goodreads account. That would tell you everything you need to know. So just go do that. And then forget that you're hating his Goodreads account.

Eli Price (01:57:31.366)
Yes, there you go. There you go. Yeah linked in the show description Not really i'm not gonna link your good reads Yeah That's that's movie news or the lack thereof And now we're gonna we're gonna move on to our movie draft because this is that's what the people want

Haydn Fabre (01:57:44.254)
Yeah, no, please don't.

Eli Price (01:58:00.966)
Is the movie draft. They want the draft. Yeah, I can't scream because I have like. A baby asleep a room over so.

Haydn Fabre (01:58:00.994)
People want the drafts! Sorry, neighbors.

Haydn Fabre (01:58:10.53)
You have children. I'm home alone and there's a young couple next door. They're definitely still awake as we're recording this at 10, 15 at night, so it's fine.

Eli Price (01:58:23.39)
Yeah, yeah, it's fine. No big deal. Yeah, movie draft. It's draft time. I'm ready. So here's what we're doing. Well, if this is your first time listening to a movie draft, here's how it works. We pick a category of some sort of movies to draft from, and we take turns picking films from that category to be on our

Haydn Fabre (01:58:26.431)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (01:58:30.946)
Draft time.

Eli Price (01:58:51.07)
uh film team if you will and uh yeah the goal is to build the best team so that when i put the poll on social media that i win because i just drafted the best team um yeah we'll see but yeah um this is uh okay so this is our third draft together so i think it's back to you picking first

Haydn Fabre (01:59:04.834)
Yeah

Naturally.

Eli Price (01:59:18.506)
You picked first the first time, I picked first the second time, now it's back to you. You get the first pick. Yeah. I do have a new sound whenever you're ready to make your pick. Just let me know.

Haydn Fabre (01:59:22.294)
I don't know... Now I'm... Now I'm nervous...

Haydn Fabre (01:59:35.671)
Alright.

I'm gonna use the same strategy that I always use in this draft, which is no strategy.

Eli Price (01:59:41.262)
All right, here we go. You ready?

Haydn Fabre (01:59:49.462)
With the first pick, I'm going to take what sat in the American moviegoer's minds as quite possibly the greatest film of all time until it was dethroned. It's one of the recent sight and sound news. I'm going to take Orson Welles' Citizen Kane.

Eli Price (02:00:04.69)
Yes, I mentioned it earlier. I was wondering if that was on your radar, but yeah, Citizen Gang. Great first pick.

Haydn Fabre (02:00:12.898)
I did not know that was a debut, which is just mind-boggling, but yeah, that's ridiculous.

Eli Price (02:00:16.062)
It's incredible. Yeah, it is mind-boggling that he's just like right out of the gate home run best film ever made I don't either yeah. Well, you can watch manc and find out It's very yeah, yeah david fincher it was okay

Haydn Fabre (02:00:22.802)
Yeah, I don't understand how that happens, but.

Haydn Fabre (02:00:29.81)
Oh yeah, you can watch. Was that Fincher? Was that, right? Yeah, you can watch. One of Fincher's lower tiers, but there's the story. Yeah, yeah.

Eli Price (02:00:38.834)
Yeah, it was it was fine. You know, it wasn't yeah Uh, yeah, I mean great pick. I mean, I think that is probably Should be like The 101 for this category um Yeah, uh i'm going in man it's one of those things like

Haydn Fabre (02:00:54.771)
Yeah, I think it's a pretty safe bet.

Eli Price (02:01:05.582)
Man I always run into this problem of my favorite ones are maybe ones that aren't gonna win me the draft But I also still want to pick my favorite ones I'm gonna go I'm gonna follow suit and not pick a couple of my favorite ones and pick a more classic one and I'm gonna go with Cindy Lou Mays debut and 12 angry men

Haydn Fabre (02:01:13.836)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:01:33.538)
Have you ever seen 12 Air and New Men? It's a great movie. It's just good. It's one of those films.

Haydn Fabre (02:01:33.614)
12, I mean, I have not, that's one of the ones that I know, I need to see it. I know, that's one of the ones where I was like, I'm not gonna tell you that I haven't seen it and refuse to pick it because I haven't seen it, because then you just pick it as your last spot. And that would make me sad.

Eli Price (02:01:49.201)
I'm sorry.

Yeah Yeah, yeah for sure. Yeah, you don't want to reveal movies You haven't seen because that happened that happened actually the last week for the last draft JP Kind of let slip that he had only seen a one particular film from a director and I was like, oh, yeah I can save this one for last in the draft then Yeah Yeah, you never know what I'll be thinking when we're talking through movies

Haydn Fabre (02:01:57.323)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:02:11.306)
Oof, man, that's tough. That's tough.

Eli Price (02:02:21.398)
in the first segment, so watch out. Yeah, I forgot the sound for myself. I'm going to hit it post. I'm going to say it again.

Eli Price (02:02:32.566)
With the second pick, I'm choosing 12 Angry Men. Okay, that was pretty fun.

Haydn Fabre (02:02:38.035)
All 12 of them.

Eli Price (02:02:39.582)
Yeah, all 12 of the men, particularly Henry Fonda. I am Fonda Henry Fonda. That was. Yeah, like that. All right. You ready? You you ready?

Haydn Fabre (02:02:43.339)
Great.

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Alright, sound me. Yes.

Haydn Fabre (02:02:59.202)
With the third pick, I'm going to select a film that heavily inspired the film that we discussed today with Quentin Tarantino's debut masterpiece, Reservoir Dogs.

Eli Price (02:03:05.944)
too.

Eli Price (02:03:11.966)
Rhythm or dogs Man that's a good pick. Yeah, man. You're off to a strong start. I'm really you've got me kind of shaking in my boots to be honest

Haydn Fabre (02:03:15.906)
the dogs of the reservoir. I know.

Haydn Fabre (02:03:22.951)
I'm feeling good, but there's still like two or three more that I saw on my list that I was looking through that I had not seen that make me really nervous.

Eli Price (02:03:30.817)
Yeah.

Oh man. Yeah.

Eli Price (02:03:38.758)
Yeah, man, Reservoir Dogs is a good pick. It's actually I'm not like super high on Reservoir Dogs. I think it's good. But it's like it's probably my least favorite Tarantino, which I know other people like, it's like they love it. But.

Haydn Fabre (02:03:55.19)
Yeah. But it's kind of like a low tier Wes Anderson, you know. Still a four star, even though it's not personal favorite. My, the reason I love Reservoir Dogs is because if there's any nerds listening to this podcast, I have a deep appreciation and love for the classic Japanese manga and anime one piece. And Sanji is one of the characters that just kicks people the whole time. And he's based on Steve Buscemi's character.

Eli Price (02:04:03.646)
Right.

Eli Price (02:04:18.034)
Mm-hmm. Okay.

Haydn Fabre (02:04:24.462)
Mr. Pink, I believe, is which one Steve Buscemi was from Reservoir Docs.

Eli Price (02:04:26.135)
Oh wow.

Yeah, the kicking is, yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:04:30.966)
One piece. I don't know that he actually kicks anybody, but he wears a suit, smokes a cigarette the whole time. So that's good.

Eli Price (02:04:37.906)
Yeah, yeah. Song. Oh, who is it? Is it Song Ko and Memories of Murder? Bong Joon Ho's movie that's just like drop kicking people the whole movie.

Haydn Fabre (02:04:48.642)
Golly, the whole movie dude, they'd crop-kick so many people in that film. Like... In the Korean barbecue, just like taking people out. It's awesome.

Eli Price (02:04:54.651)
Oh man, yeah.

Eli Price (02:05:00.07)
Oh, for sure. Just taking people out. Yeah. OK. Oh, I should mention, I forgot to lay down one of the rules that we decided on. Yeah. Yeah, they're like, why? Why didn't you take Lady Bird by Greta Gerwig? Why didn't you take Get Out by Jordan Peele? And that's because we kind of decided arbitrarily that the director needed to have more than three films.

Haydn Fabre (02:05:10.422)
Oh yes, people are probably thinking, where's, where they?

Eli Price (02:05:29.066)
I don't know why. I guess like my reasoning behind that was just like, you need to be able to cause like the whole point of this is like, well, we're, we're talking about Christopher Nolan's, um, first film and how like it's influenced, you know, his career, like, and shown. Uh, but like, if like you're only through movies in, it's kind of like hard to see that sometimes. And like, I don't know, it's, it is very arbitrary, but I'll, I was like, well,

Let's kind of cut out some of the people to make this a little more interesting. Um, so yeah, there's, there's some that. Like there's some on my list that are like, that I absolutely love. Like after sun from last year by Charlotte Wells, I absolutely loved, but that's our only movie. So, uh, it's not on the board.

Haydn Fabre (02:06:16.463)
Oh my gosh. Yeah. Another couple of notable ones, Hereditary, Ari Aster was removed. The Witch, oh Robert Agra's that one hurt.

Eli Price (02:06:23.582)
Oh, yep. Yep. And the witch. Mm hmm. Yep. You know what? Other one, Synecdoche, New York, not draftable. Yeah. Kaufman has only directed. Yep, three Synecdoche, New York, Anomalisa, and I'm thinking of any things or is only three directorial efforts. Yeah. Yeah, I was looking at it like, man, no, it's the next game.

Haydn Fabre (02:06:32.842)
Really? Did Charlie Kaufman only made-

three films.

Haydn Fabre (02:06:43.147)
Wow.

Haydn Fabre (02:06:46.878)
Wow. How sad. Yeah. Well, that's one of the ones that I hadn't seen. So now it makes me happy that you can't drive.

Eli Price (02:06:55.486)
Yeah. Can't even draft it. Yep. Okay. So let's backtrack a little bit since we had to take that aside to clarify the rules. Yeah, Citizen Kane went first to Hayden, then I took 12 angry men, all 12 of them, and then Hayden took all of the Reservoir Dogs, every single one of them. So yeah, it's the fourth overall pick. My second pick.

Haydn Fabre (02:07:15.086)
problem.

dogs of the reservoir.

Eli Price (02:07:25.563)
Um...

Haydn Fabre (02:07:26.393)
The sound, don't forget the sound.

Eli Price (02:07:31.266)
The fourth overall pick of the Director's First Features draft, I'm selecting Michael Mann's Thief.

Haydn Fabre (02:07:43.254)
Wonderful pick that was on my list Great pick and just a great career Just a fun movie man

Eli Price (02:07:46.358)
Oof. Thief, man. Man. Thief. What a film, right? Like, I could watch those like closeups of someone like welding something for, like welding through a safe, like sparks flying. Like, give me more of that in the movie theater. You know what I mean? James Kahn just, yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:07:54.81)
Oh yeah, it's got everything.

Haydn Fabre (02:08:06.089)
Oh yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:08:10.402)
A rewatchable, a joy, oh yeah.

Eli Price (02:08:14.51)
James Kahn just like wreaking havoc up in those banks. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's what I wanna see. Man, it's a good movie. I actually watched that like, probably less than a year ago for the first time. I was like, man, what a great start to a career, thief.

Haydn Fabre (02:08:21.716)
Oh yeah.

Eli Price (02:08:37.359)
Anyways, that was my pick. I have other ones that I like more, but yeah, I felt like that was a good get me back in the competition kind of pick. So yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:08:49.802)
Oh yeah, that's a great pick. That was definitely on my list for sure.

Eli Price (02:08:54.402)
All right, you ready?

Haydn Fabre (02:08:56.672)
I think so.

Haydn Fabre (02:09:02.222)
With the fifth pick, I'm going to take a Frenchman's English film. I'm going to take Frant d'Erabance, The Shawshank Redemption.

Eli Price (02:09:09.323)
Okay.

Eli Price (02:09:14.186)
Ooh, the Shawshank Redemption. I didn't know that either. Man. I mean, that wasn't even on my list, because I didn't even realize that was an option.

Haydn Fabre (02:09:15.934)
I was not aware that it was a debut, but it filled me with joy whenever I saw that.

Haydn Fabre (02:09:31.566)
And then I was trying to count his films to make sure, cause I frankly have not, I'm not familiar with Frank Daraball, but yes, yes.

Eli Price (02:09:34.626)
Ha ha ha.

Yeah, Frank Maribon. Yep, I mean, the green mile is obviously like one. I've heard of the mist, I'm pretty sure.

Haydn Fabre (02:09:50.222)
I've seen it, it's really fun and it's really messed up. But I have not heard of Mob City, oh that was a TV show. I have not heard of The Majestic, which was his fourth.

Eli Price (02:09:52.638)
Yeah, gotcha. Yeah, Shawshank. Shawshank, man, that's a good pick. Man, how was this not on my list? Totally missed it. Just totally missed it. My research failed me. Man, yeah, gosh, I'm falling behind on this one. I'm not gonna even be able to pick my personal favorites.

Haydn Fabre (02:10:05.692)
Ugh.

Haydn Fabre (02:10:09.699)
Man.

Haydn Fabre (02:10:20.182)
How many are we going? Are we going?

Eli Price (02:10:23.294)
Let's just see how it goes, because I know your list is very limited. So we'll pick at least five each, I think. Let's see if we can get to seven. I like the seven number. I think that's a good. I don't know. I just like it. OK, man, how do I stay in this? I feel like I'm falling behind. I might just end up having to like pick my favorites and just like let it be what it is at this point.

Haydn Fabre (02:10:25.166)
Okay. Well, you know.

Haydn Fabre (02:10:30.862)
Okay, great.

Haydn Fabre (02:10:37.018)
as well like this.

Haydn Fabre (02:10:51.819)
have fun with it.

Eli Price (02:10:53.858)
Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and go with... You know what? I'm gonna go with one of my favorite ones just to be safe, just in case you have this on the back burner. I'm going with Brad Bird's The Iron Giant.

Haydn Fabre (02:11:11.278)
Great pick.

Eli Price (02:11:13.23)
I love the Iron Giant. It's such a It's such a good movie man, and it gets me every time like do you that man Robot himself just like the Iron Giant the sacrificing himself like oh man So it's powerful Brad Bird, and he's had a good career man Ratatouille both Incredibles movies

Haydn Fabre (02:11:15.042)
Just a wonderful film.

Haydn Fabre (02:11:32.489)
Oh yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:11:42.275)
Wow.

Eli Price (02:11:42.278)
Um, and then even growth ghost protocol, did you know he directed ghost protocol?

Haydn Fabre (02:11:47.17)
I did not know he directed Ghost Protocol. That's exciting.

Eli Price (02:11:49.342)
Yeah, Mission Impossible, Ghost Protocol, Brad Bird, and Tomorrowland, but that was, I never saw it, but really bad reviews on Tomorrowland. Yeah, but yeah, The Iron Giant. I feel like if anything could get me back in the race, it's maybe The Iron Giant. But yeah, I love that movie.

Haydn Fabre (02:12:00.689)
I heard it wasn't the best.

Haydn Fabre (02:12:11.497)
Yeah, you'll strike some dads that have shown that movie and have fond memories with their kids.

Eli Price (02:12:16.302)
Hmm. All right.

Haydn Fabre (02:12:18.373)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:12:23.382)
Your pick is up.

Haydn Fabre (02:12:25.494)
With the seventh pick of the directorial debut film draft, I'm going to take Spike Jonze's first feature film in Being John Malkovich.

Eli Price (02:12:37.492)
Mm hmm. Great pick. Definitely high up. High up on my list, for sure.

Haydn Fabre (02:12:41.286)
Absolutely adore. Big jump. Yeah. It's just a ton of fun. It's super unique. The film style is just so interesting. Spike Jones has had such a unique career. Um, just, he's just made some really fun stuff. He's got a comfy spot in my heart. Um, and being John Malkovich, uh, I actually hadn't seen it and it was recommended so highly by a friend.

Eli Price (02:12:56.062)
Yeah, for sure.

Haydn Fabre (02:13:09.302)
that I purchased the Criterion copy before even seeing the film. And then firing it up, I remember finishing watching it with my wife. And I was like, holy crap, I can't believe movies like that exist. This is so fun. And she was like, that was weird. Why was it in New Jersey? Why were they in his head? Why were those scenes included? And I was like, don't worry about it.

Eli Price (02:13:11.697)
Ew.

Eli Price (02:13:22.498)
It was a wild movie. It was weird.

Eli Price (02:13:30.67)
The Malkovich scene. And if you've seen being John Malkovich, when I say the Malkovich scene, you know exactly what I'm talking about. Like what a wild sequence that is. Oh man, yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:13:38.954)
Yes, yes.

Haydn Fabre (02:13:43.743)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:13:47.242)
And just, what's her name? My brain's, my mind, it's so gross. It's almost like fleshy. And what's a, Cameron Diaz man is just like, so fun. Like she's not playing on the like overly attractive character. She's like the one that is getting her man stolen. And that's just a fun dynamic there to see her in it. I just, yeah, big fan of being John Alkowich.

Eli Price (02:13:49.134)
The tunnel is really disgusting too. It grosses me out. Yes.

Eli Price (02:14:00.553)
Oh yeah.

Eli Price (02:14:05.09)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (02:14:15.6)
Yeah, yeah, great pick. All right.

Eli Price (02:14:24.854)
With the eighth pick of the draft, I'm going with... This is Spinal Tap.

Haydn Fabre (02:14:31.692)
Oh yes.

Eli Price (02:14:33.134)
great movie dude i love it's so funny um yeah this is spinal tap directed by rob reiner went on to direct things such as when harry met sally stand by me the princess bride a few good men some good really good movies actually

Haydn Fabre (02:14:37.122)
So fun.

Haydn Fabre (02:14:56.214)
A hilarious start to an absolutely incredible run of movies.

Eli Price (02:15:00.762)
Yeah, this is Spinal Tap is one that like has a criterion disc, but it's like, it's not being printed anymore for some reason, which is really sad because I would love to have that.

Haydn Fabre (02:15:15.69)
Yeah. Well, I know that's a very important movie to you. I've heard you talk about it all the time.

Eli Price (02:15:20.094)
Yeah, well, it's like this is spinal tap if for those people who have not seen this movie it is a 1984 Machiavenere about this like hell hair metal group And they're on tour there The name of the band is the fictional band is this is spinal the name of the fictional band is spinal tap Yeah, it's a mockumentary and like

The genius of it is they create these scene scenarios and probably 80%, 90% of the dialogue is improvised. They come up with this concept for the scene and then the two leads just improvise all of these lines. And it's a mockumentary about this band and the drama in the band. It's really actually.

Absolutely hilarious and kind of like sparks the mockumentary style of like Film and TV really Like before the office was even like conceived of this was spinal tap was out there in the world Making people laugh Yeah, that's my that's my pick so you're up again

Haydn Fabre (02:16:41.553)
Right, let me make sure that this next pick that I want is.

Eli Price (02:16:44.69)
Uh oh. Did I hit the sound too early?

Haydn Fabre (02:16:47.514)
Hold on, let me, I just wanna make sure that I don't break any rules. Okay, I'm not gonna break the rules. Okay, great, we're good. Hit it one more time, intro me.

Eli Price (02:16:52.631)
Okay.

Should I hit it again? Let's go.

Haydn Fabre (02:17:03.51)
With the ninth pick and my fifth pick, I'm going to take Alex Garland's directorial debut in a film that I love very deeply, Ex Machina.

Eli Price (02:17:15.594)
Ex Machina. Does he have more than three?

Haydn Fabre (02:17:20.674)
He's got, no, he doesn't. He's not credited for one of them. I'm so sorry. Run it back, run it back, run it back. He's not credited for one. Fine, I'll take a Me Pick. You took a You Pick, I take a Me Pick. M-I-P, Me Pick is going to be a film that I picked in the last draft because I just love this film and I'm gonna just keep picking it as often as I can and I'm going to take Sam Raimi's The Evil Dead.

Eli Price (02:17:23.035)
Are you sure?

Eli Price (02:17:27.054)
Ah ha

Eli Price (02:17:48.486)
Evil dead actually you took Did you take evil dead last draft or was it army of darkness? Yeah, yeah

Haydn Fabre (02:17:49.67)
I loved the Evil Dead. Did it? Or did I take? I took Army of Darkness. I took the third one. So now I just need to draft Evil Dead 2 and then I'll have the whole trilogy in my draft.

Eli Price (02:17:59.546)
whole trilogy. Yeah, The Evil Dead. I still haven't seen those, so I need to get with it on those for sure. Yeah, as far as I know, great pick, but I haven't seen it, so can't really speak to it. But yeah, Alex Garland is not, I mean, he has Ex Machina, he has

Haydn Fabre (02:18:10.806)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:18:17.278)
Yeah, it's just, it's a film I love.

Haydn Fabre (02:18:25.206)
Annihilation and men from last year the rather disappointing men Yeah, but I

Eli Price (02:18:29.778)
Men, yeah, men from last year. That's three. He did direct devs of the mini series, but that doesn't count.

Haydn Fabre (02:18:37.042)
Yeah, he and they announced the film for him next year. And that was what threw me off is I saw that one announced for next year in the same list. And I was like, dang it. Just missed it. That's fine. Anyway, ex machina great film.

Eli Price (02:18:42.216)
Uh huh.

Eli Price (02:18:50.698)
Yeah men did not really uh men didn't really do it for me. I was disappointed because I absolutely love ex machina and annihilation but And devs is a great little mini series. Did you oh you need to see it nick offerman is one of the leads Um, and he's like really incredible in it. Um, very different role than parks and rec but yeah really good

Haydn Fabre (02:18:59.474)
And annihilation. Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:19:03.734)
I've never seen devs.

Eli Price (02:19:18.614)
Highly recommend. It's not like a big commitment, because it's just like one miniseries, like one season, eight episodes or so, or maybe even less. So it's not a big commitment, and it's really like an intriguing sci-fi concept, I think. OK. Do you have enough to keep going?

Haydn Fabre (02:19:28.638)
Okay, sweet.

Haydn Fabre (02:19:38.894)
Great, so I have my five. I think so, I could go to seven. You wanna go to seven?

Eli Price (02:19:43.938)
Well, you have, yeah, you have five, I have four. Yeah, let's go to seven, let's do it. Okay, so I need to do my fifth pick. This is gonna be good because I need to really try to fit some good stuff in here.

Haydn Fabre (02:19:54.637)
Yes.

Haydn Fabre (02:20:02.382)
We're halfway through, so.

Eli Price (02:20:07.155)
With the 10th pick, I'm going to go ahead and go with Blood Simple, the debut of the Coen Brothers. Is that on your list? Oh man.

Haydn Fabre (02:20:08.394)
Yes, number 10.

Haydn Fabre (02:20:20.25)
That was another one that I unfortunately haven't seen. That was the third one that I had considered that I haven't seen, yeah. Tell me about it, is it great?

Eli Price (02:20:26.314)
Man, yeah, great. Great neo-noir. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's like you watch it and you're like, yeah, the Coen brothers, they're there. They're they're, you know. Let's let's watch more of these, you know, it's not like my favorite Coen brothers movie by any means, but it's like a really, really solid neo-noir film.

Haydn Fabre (02:20:38.903)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:20:55.85)
You know, and I feel like Nolan's following is very noir, but like, even though he's like playing with the narrative structure, you know, like we talked about, it still feels kind of throwback. It kind of has that like more throwback classic feel, whereas like this is very much like neo-noir, like it's a noir, but it's like, they're doing something new with it. You know, it's very like modern.

Haydn Fabre (02:21:22.572)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:21:26.526)
Yeah, another 1984 pick man Got spinal. This is spinal tap and blood simple both in the same year That's that's saying something, you know No, yeah It really was 1984 Really actually was a really great movie year Yeah All right, you ready?

Haydn Fabre (02:21:30.53)
I know.

Haydn Fabre (02:21:37.309)
What a year for movies.

Haydn Fabre (02:21:44.766)
Yeah, really incredible movie. Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:21:50.926)
I think so.

Haydn Fabre (02:21:55.522)
With the 11th pick, I'm going to take...

A movie that I've seen many times, a movie that I grew up watching, a movie that I love. I'm going to take fast times at Ridgemont.

Eli Price (02:22:08.314)
Okay, I've actually never seen fast times

Haydn Fabre (02:22:10.114)
Bit of a curveball there. I love fast times. It just makes me happy.

Eli Price (02:22:16.639)
Who's the director?

Haydn Fabre (02:22:18.498)
I don't actually know off the top of my head which makes me upset. It was like a movie I watched on TV all the time.

Eli Price (02:22:24.146)
Oh man. Don't you love it when that happens?

Haydn Fabre (02:22:26.166)
Um, I know it's really sad.

Haydn Fabre (02:22:32.27)
directed by, drum roll, directed by Amy Heckerling.

Eli Price (02:22:36.403)
Oh wait, I have it.

I missed it.

Haydn Fabre (02:22:40.261)
Oh.

Directed by Amy Heckerling, who would go on to direct a couple of random films and then knock it out the park in 1995 with Clueless. But Fast Time's It Ridged My Eye, just a really fun movie. Spicoli.

Eli Price (02:22:53.115)
Nice. Yeah.

Yeah For great things just haven't seen it. Yeah Okay, I am back up wait, where are we we're at six Man I've got so I've got two more picks And I'm not gonna be able to get in all the really good movies I made like a way too long list for this draft

Haydn Fabre (02:23:00.426)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:23:09.198)
We're at six, yes. So this will be pick 12.

Haydn Fabre (02:23:21.262)
That's why I usually go like one or two under double the picking list. That's usually my goal. So I don't get overwhelmed.

Eli Price (02:23:27.262)
Yeah, yeah, I'm like totally overwhelmed. I'm gonna go ahead and take this one that I feel like you probably haven't seen and maybe a lot of people haven't seen, but this is gonna be my main like, I'm picking this so that hopefully people will like see it for the first time and then go watch it. And that is Rian Johnson's Brick.

Haydn Fabre (02:23:56.718)
Brick. Yeah, play your music.

Eli Price (02:23:57.274)
Oh wait, hold on, back it up.

With the 12th pick, I'm going with Ryan Johnson's debut film, Brick. Which I'm pretty sure I just said like film instead of film. That was weird. Brick is so good. It's, have you seen it? Oh man. You've got, you've got like Little Boy, JGL, Joseph Gordon-Levitt.

Haydn Fabre (02:24:14.744)
bric-fiong

Haydn Fabre (02:24:21.514)
I have not seen Rick, unfortunately.

Haydn Fabre (02:24:30.497)
I do love Young JGO.

Eli Price (02:24:31.326)
like just delivering the most like bizarre like run of dialogues you've ever heard a teenager spout out in a high school. This is okay so here's what Brick is. Take a pretty violent noir film and mix it with like a high school coming of age film.

and meld those two together, and the strange movie that you have in your head, it's that but done to the greatest degree. It's a great movie.

Haydn Fabre (02:25:09.154)
That's awesome. That's so fun.

Eli Price (02:25:10.186)
Yeah, you need to go watch it for like, move it up the list. It's worth rent, it's worth renting. It's not streaming anywhere right now, but it's worth renting for sure.

Haydn Fabre (02:25:12.826)
I will. I need to see it. Okay, great.

Haydn Fabre (02:25:21.538)
got blood simple and brick cued up.

Eli Price (02:25:24.994)
Brick is good. So, Ryan Johnson obviously went on to direct the likes of Looper, Star Wars, The Last Jedi, the two Knives Out movies with Daniel Craig. Yeah, he's had a good career and is apparently going to just keep going. Yeah, but Brick is actually my favorite Ryan Johnson movie still, like, to this day.

Haydn Fabre (02:25:44.186)
3

Eli Price (02:25:53.502)
Out of all these great movies, I like Brooke the most. I think he started off probably too hot, in my opinion.

Haydn Fabre (02:26:01.998)
Well, I've got a really funny curveball of a seventh pick that might cost me.

Eli Price (02:26:06.582)
All right, let's do this.

Haydn Fabre (02:26:12.01)
With the, god I'm over it, 13th pick of the directorial debut draft, I'm gonna come at you with a curveball. I'm gonna come at you with a movie that was probably nowhere near your list, not even a hint of it. But I'm going to take the legendary Tyler Perry's first directorial debut with Madea's family reunion. By rain, Madea is on the list.

Eli Price (02:26:15.406)
Hehehe

Haydn Fabre (02:26:39.886)
Probably the only time Medea will make it to a draft list. But Medea's family reunion.

Eli Price (02:26:44.358)
Oh man.

I've never seen any Madea movie.

Haydn Fabre (02:26:47.798)
is my final pick. Boom! Tyler Perry.

Eli Price (02:26:52.034)
That might win you the draft. That might be like the pig that like, that wins you the draft right there. Like all the Medea hive is coming out to vote.

Haydn Fabre (02:26:58.594)
I'm trying to get me a curveball in here.

Yes, if you're if you're a part of the media I was trying to find a fun name for like the media the media if you're the media family You can come to the medias family reunion with me and my draft pick

Eli Price (02:27:10.291)
them a...

Yeah. I love it. I've never seen any Madea movie ever, but my cousin is in the Christmas one. My cousin is an extra. He's an extra. I mean, I don't even know if you see him, but he's in there. Shout out to Foster, extra in the Madea Christmas movie. They shot it in, part of it in McDonough, Georgia.

Haydn Fabre (02:27:25.026)
They're really not that good. Oh.

Haydn Fabre (02:27:33.774)
Let's get with.

Eli Price (02:27:44.562)
which is where the area that I'm from originally. Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:27:45.375)
Wow

Haydn Fabre (02:27:49.85)
Fun fact just as I'm scrolling through this Wikipedia page Tyler Perry is the fourth highest listed name in Gone Girl, which is He's the fourth build name and Gone Girl. That's I'm just scrolling through now

Eli Price (02:27:59.03)
Oh yeah, I forgot he's in that. Yeah. He played a pretty significant role in that movie from what I remember. It's been a while.

Haydn Fabre (02:28:08.366)
Yeah, was he like the FBI or something? I don't know. People are gonna be mad at me for not remembering that movie. Yeah. Alla Faire.

Eli Price (02:28:11.79)
I don't remember, it's been a long time.

Man so here's where like I'm really like man where I go because

I don't know. There's some really good movies still out there. We'll do honorable mentions to throw in all these other great movies. There's one movie that I feel like probably should be picked. That's not as high as others on my list. Man. Oh, man, this is really hard. OK, I'm going between two picks one movie I like more than the other.

Haydn Fabre (02:28:33.742)
I love that.

Eli Price (02:28:55.042)
but the other might be a more recognizable director. So I'll do this. I'll go ahead and draft my favorite of the two, since I've already lost this draft, I think. And we'll just talk about honorable mentions later. I'm going to go with Terrence Malick's Badlands. Terrence Malick is one of my favorite directors.

just makes these incredibly poetic films. But yeah, Badlands is, it's an interesting movie. It stars Martin Sheen as this, he's kind of like, it's basically like a bit of a Bonnie and Clyde-ish kind of movie, but they're like younger. It's Martin Sheen and Sissy Spacek.

uh, kind of like on this like road trip after there's a, someone has killed, um, kind of like trying to escape the law sort of thing. Um, and they're on this road trip and, uh, it's really like, so like Malik is just like, obviously known for his like just beautiful visuals. Um, and it's this like really like strange dark

like weird store like character kind of study But with the background of this like beautiful like wide open like Midwest landscape That's like and just incredibly beautiful. And so it's um, I don't know It's not my favorite malloc but Just like a really fantastic first like debut feature film

Um, and like sort of like others that we've talked about through this draft, just like kind of shows, um, I don't know, like tinges of what the rest of their career will kind of look like as far as like the movie types of movies they make. So yeah, mad lands by Terrence Malick. Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:31:09.386)
Yeah, I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it, but any Terrence Malik pick is a good pick. So yeah.

Eli Price (02:31:15.678)
Yeah, yeah, for sure. That's what I was talking about last week with JP. He kind of let loose that he had only seen one Malick film. And so I ended up with being able to snag The Tree of Life, which is one of my favorite films ever made. So yeah, with the last pick of the draft. Oh, man, it was glorious. Yeah, Badlands is a great movie.

Haydn Fabre (02:31:26.078)
Oh no.

Haydn Fabre (02:31:33.035)
ever made.

Haydn Fabre (02:31:39.166)
Wow, that's so sad.

Eli Price (02:31:45.242)
I wouldn't move it up as high as brick in your watch list, but you should put it up there. I probably like it more than, or about the same as Blood Simple right there with it. Yeah. Did you have any honorable mentions at all whatsoever?

Haydn Fabre (02:32:01.33)
I have a handful of honorable mentions that yes.

Eli Price (02:32:04.874)
Yeah, lay them on me and then I'll throw all mine out.

Haydn Fabre (02:32:09.186)
I'll also mention some of the ones that I really wanted to pick, but they just didn't direct enough things. Napoleon Dynamite, really unfortunate. Jared Hess only has three movies. Couldn't snag a Napoleon Dynamite. Yeah. The Blair Witch Project was a one and done film for the duo that directed Blair Witch Project, which I really love. Another I love horror movies, so there's a handful of horror movies on.

Eli Price (02:32:14.035)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Eli Price (02:32:19.62)
Oh, really?

Yeah.

Eli Price (02:32:27.554)
Man, such a good movie.

Eli Price (02:32:36.354)
Jared has more than three.

Haydn Fabre (02:32:39.766)
Does he? Oh.

Eli Price (02:32:40.79)
Yeah.

He has four. At least five. Yeah. You told the kid because I had Napoleon Dynamite, I was I was thinking about it at one point, but I didn't go with it. I drafted it, I'm pretty sure in a. Comedy draft, so I was like, I don't want to draft that again.

Haydn Fabre (02:32:44.49)
Oopsies. Oh, great. Oh wow, I was, okay great, I was wrong.

Haydn Fabre (02:32:56.834)
Hmm. Okay.

Haydn Fabre (02:33:04.766)
Yeah, yeah. Adam McKay's directorial debut, Anchorman, The Legend of Ron Burgundy, was another that was on my list. Just a beautiful.

Eli Price (02:33:08.651)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (02:33:13.726)
Yeah, that's I also drafted that in that same combination Yeah, yeah

Haydn Fabre (02:33:17.874)
Yeah. So you were checking it off on the comedy's draft. Another horror film, James Wan, the popular horror director. He's done a handful of different things. I was for he did the Conjuring, all the Conjuring universes and stuff like that. He most recently did, I think, Malignant was James Wan. But he opens up with The Banger of Saw, just a classic all time horror film. Monsters Inc.

Eli Price (02:33:33.732)
Oh, OK, yeah. Yeah.

Eli Price (02:33:42.414)
That's right. Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:33:47.022)
I don't actually know who directed Monsters Inc. I don't have that on the top of my head or in my notes, but he would go on to direct a handful of the Disney Pixar films, Monsters Inc. being the first.

Eli Price (02:33:55.73)
Yeah, I'm pulling it up on the old letterbox machine. Oh, it's Pete doctor Pete doctor. I love I love every Pete doctor Pixar movie. Yeah I don't know that I would have picked monsters ink, but it probably would have helped my I would have helped my uh Draft yeah Yeah for sure. Maybe the iron giant will get enough people from the animated side

Haydn Fabre (02:34:02.369)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:34:13.138)
Yeah, you might have snagged some people. Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:34:21.174)
Yeah. Legally Blonde, another debut. I thought about that one, snagging it for the... Yeah, I thought about snagging it for the female audience, you know, let them feel seen that we're not just a bunch of bro cinephiles. And then lastly, just one of the greatest films of all time directed by Conrad Vernon, who would go on to direct Monsters vs. Aliens, Madagascar 3, and Penguins of Madagascar.

Eli Price (02:34:25.914)
Oh yeah. We watched that. I watched that the other day with my wife. Yeah.

Eli Price (02:34:33.69)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (02:34:49.674)
Hehehe

Haydn Fabre (02:34:50.806)
directorial debuts out with the banger that is Shrek 2, the best Shrek film. So those are some honorable mentions that I had. A lot of them were like a bit too goofy and I decided to go the Madea route. But what are some that you had? What are some that you would like to mention?

Eli Price (02:34:55.31)
track too.

Eli Price (02:35:08.414)
Yeah, so you started with ones that didn't qualify. I'll do a few of those. I mentioned After Sun, Charlotte Wells' debut. Oh, I just bumped the mess out of my mic. My bad. Another that is also like a single movie, 2019 Sound of Metal by Darius Marder. I loved that film. Yeah. The Last Black Man in San Francisco, Joe Talbot.

Haydn Fabre (02:35:19.338)
Yeah. BOOM

Haydn Fabre (02:35:29.482)
Oh yeah, incredible. Just a great film, yeah.

Eli Price (02:35:39.11)
2019 film I'm pretty sure he that's his only feature Columbus by Koganata he came out with after yang was that last year or two years ago Yeah after yang was a great movie but Columbus was an incredible movie, too Yeah, those none of those qualified. Oh nightcrawler did not qualify

Haydn Fabre (02:35:53.807)
Yes, two years ago.

Haydn Fabre (02:36:06.806)
Oh yes, that was another one that I had looked at. Dang.

Eli Price (02:36:08.474)
He only has the three. Yeah, great. Great opening film. But yeah, so honorable mentions that would have qualified that I didn't obviously bottle rocket. We just spent a whole series on Wes Anderson. Love bottle rocket, but I just figured well, we just spent a whole series on him. I'll get some other stuff out there. Darren off Aronofsky's pie is It's

Haydn Fabre (02:36:35.598)
I haven't seen it. I've heard great things.

Eli Price (02:36:38.314)
Yeah, so it actually, I think it came out the same year as Following. And also like very much a low budget black and white film, but like super weird and strange and to me just like a far superior movie to Following, to be honest. Like it's just like, it's weird. It's a weird, weird movie.

Haydn Fabre (02:37:00.727)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:37:08.042)
But like really interesting. Yeah. Night of the Living Dead was one that I was really thinking about going with. George A. Romero. Nom for, you know, obviously Dawn of the Dead, Day of the Dead, all the zombies. But Night of the Living Dead is actually a really, really good.

Haydn Fabre (02:37:23.67)
Yeah. I thought about that one as well. I wasn't totally familiar with the rest of his work. I just didn't feel right.

Eli Price (02:37:31.386)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, I'm the same way. That's the only movie I've seen by him, but it's really an incredible movie Yeah, we mentioned get out Sweetie Jane Campion is a really good movie debut Most people probably either know her from the piano or power of the dog which came out a few years ago But sweetie is a really good movie Looping the third

Haydn Fabre (02:37:47.299)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (02:38:00.226)
The Castle of Cagliostro, which was Heao Miyazaki's debut feature animated film, which I really like. I think it's a fun movie.

Haydn Fabre (02:38:07.639)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:38:11.626)
I had Tales from the Earthsea, his son's directorial debut. I had that one on my list, but I don't think that he has enough films to qualify.

Eli Price (02:38:16.509)
Okay, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of good. J.J. Abrams opened up with Mission Impossible 3, which is I really like Mission Impossible 3. Oh, Monty Python and the Holy Grail. I did not take it. It's it's got the yeah, it's but some people might think that's a misstep, but it's also weird because it's got the double directors going on. Kind of hard to I don't know.

Haydn Fabre (02:38:28.022)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:38:32.622)
Oh yeah, that one was on my list.

Haydn Fabre (02:38:48.811)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:38:49.423)
Yeah. Wong Kar-Wise, As Tears Go By is a really good movie as a debut. How about this, the 40-year-old virgin, Judd Apatow, swinging onto the scene with Steve Carell. Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:39:00.092)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:39:04.606)
Just the king of comedy right there that man.

Eli Price (02:39:07.938)
Absolutely. Oh, I forgot to mention one that did not qualify, which was paranormal activity, which I really like.

Haydn Fabre (02:39:18.602)
Yeah, I love the parallel activities.

Eli Price (02:39:21.254)
Um, yeah, uh, I wish that Bong Joon-ho's director debut was memories of murder, but it was in fact barking dogs never bite, which is not anywhere near as good as memories of murder. Um, yeah, I've seen it. It's, it's fine. I guess, um, you can throw.

Haydn Fabre (02:39:33.304)
Yes.

Haydn Fabre (02:39:38.302)
Yeah, I'm not familiar with that one at all, but that was one I looked at.

Eli Price (02:39:48.026)
Way back to the likes of Charlie Chaplin with the Kid and Buster Keaton with Three Ages. Both okay movies to start off their incredible careers. Jean-Luc Godard's Breathless, which is a beloved film among cinephiles, movie, really serious movie lovers. I watched it not-

Haydn Fabre (02:40:00.044)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:40:16.286)
that long ago. I thought it was really good, but not my favorite. But yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:40:19.542)
Yeah, I'm not very familiar with it, so I noted it, but.

Eli Price (02:40:24.414)
I also had George Miller's Mad Max on my list, but I'm not huge on the first Mad Max.

Haydn Fabre (02:40:32.406)
Neither am I. I had it there as well, but... Eh. Sorry, old heads.

Eli Price (02:40:36.246)
Anyways, and then the other one, I've left this one for last, it was the other one that I was thinking of taking over Badlands, and that's, of course, David Lynch's Eraserhead.

Haydn Fabre (02:40:49.482)
Yes, that was the one that I thought you were talking about in the beginning, where you said you were gonna say it till the end.

Eli Price (02:40:53.698)
Gotcha. Yeah, I like I think Eraserhead is a really good movie, but um It's yeah, it's not my favorite It's super Have you seen it?

Haydn Fabre (02:41:05.28)
It takes a special... I have not seen it, but I've heard all of the warnings.

Eli Price (02:41:08.802)
Oh man, it's like. It's like a movie that is. It makes you feel so uncomfortable, like I was like I was like squirming in my seat the whole movie. Oh, yeah. Not not a super rewatchable movie, in my opinion. Yeah, yeah, that's.

Haydn Fabre (02:41:23.427)
Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:41:27.99)
Yeah. Ugh. Yeah, no.

Eli Price (02:41:36.962)
directorial debuts. Yeah, I think there's a lot of good. And there's obviously a lot that we didn't mention. Those are just ones that I've seen.

Haydn Fabre (02:41:45.066)
Yeah, I'm just reading through other ones that I'm seeing that, yeah, there's a lot of people open out with really, really good stuff. I mean, it looks like The Lion King was a directorial debut. There's some really good ones in here. 10 Things I Hate About You, could have scooped up the young woman category there.

Eli Price (02:41:57.462)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:42:03.422)
Yeah, I didn't...

That's true.

Eli Price (02:42:10.286)
That's true. Yeah. I don't think Lion King would have would have qualified. Because it's got. Yeah. Just unfortunate, because obviously Lion King is great. Yeah, that's a that's a movie draft. Let's I'm going to read them back so that we can finalize this. Hayden took.

Haydn Fabre (02:42:11.286)
I do love 10 Things I Hate About You, though, secretly.

I wouldn't have, I just, why I said it.

Eli Price (02:42:37.854)
Citizen Kane, Reservoir Dogs, The Shawshank Redemption, Being with John Malkovich, The Evil Dead, Fast Tallyings at Ridgemont High, and Medea's Family Reunion.

Haydn Fabre (02:42:49.622)
Madeeaaah!

Eli Price (02:42:51.626)
Um, man, I really feel like I feel like I lost this draft after your third pick, your third pick. Um, anyways, uh,

Haydn Fabre (02:43:00.964)
I do have a stacked top three. This top three is.

Eli Price (02:43:03.63)
Oh man. Yeah. Anyways. Yeah, I lost this one. Which is fine, because I still like my list. Which my list is as follows. 12 Angry Men, Thief, The Iron Giant, This Is Spinal Tap, Blood Simple, Brick, and Badlands.

Haydn Fabre (02:43:14.038)
Hold on to hope.

Haydn Fabre (02:43:30.382)
Great drafts though, all around.

Eli Price (02:43:32.726)
That's all around. Good job, everyone. But yeah, if you think we left some out that you feel like is blasphemous to not have in this draft, just reach out and let us know.

Haydn Fabre (02:43:49.135)
I know there's going to be some comments about us missing Jimmy Neutron, Boy Genius. It was number 15. It was number 15, I promise.

Eli Price (02:43:54.63)
Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah. The Rugrats movie, which, you know, I have like I have an itching suspicion that that's like both a debut and the end.

Who knows? I don't know. Yeah, that's our movie draft. Did you have a recommendation of the week?

Haydn Fabre (02:44:26.026)
My recommendation of this week is to read some books. I'm reading Killers of the Flower Moon right now. I'm also reading American Prometheus at the same time, which is J. Robert Oppenheimer's biography, which is a bit more intense. Killers of the Flower Moon definitely flows a little bit better, but Pulitzer Prize means something, you know? Just get your eyes on a page and read something that makes you think. Just go for it.

Eli Price (02:44:53.974)
great. Love it. Yep. I've had my nose in the Nolan variations, which I recommended last week. As a source, if you want to kind of follow along reading that as we go through this series. Yeah, really, it's really good so far. I'm in the third chapter, I think, currently. Yeah, I'm enjoying reading that. And, but yeah, that's not my recommendation.

Haydn Fabre (02:44:54.646)
It's nice to mix up your mediums, you know.

Eli Price (02:45:22.326)
I was just adding on to yours. I think, you know what? I'm going to recommend something we talked about in our lack of movie news section. I'm going to recommend going out and watching some Color of Money, because that was just a special movie to watch. And it's funny, I was telling someone, I think I can't remember if I texted this to our little movie group.

text message group message that we're in. I was saying that Paul Newman makes Tom Cruise look like a kid. Like, obviously, Tom Cruise is a kid, basically, in this movie. But the charisma of Paul Newman just makes Tom Cruise look like he's got half as much as he actually has as far as charisma goes.

Haydn Fabre (02:46:20.544)
awesome.

Eli Price (02:46:20.69)
It's like, yeah. And it's really like watching this in like hindsight of both of their careers, it's almost like watching kind of like I mentioned earlier, like Paul Newman teach Tom Cruise how to be a movie star. Because like he is sort of like a mentor figure character wise in the movie. For Tom Cruise's character, as far as like, how to get that hustle going.

in your billiards game. But yeah, it's almost like Paul Newman's like, I've still got it. He's old in this movie. How old was he when that was made? That's what I'm curious about. I'm going to filibuster and keep talking while I try to look it up. But yeah, it's a really good Martin Scorsese. It's not my favorite Martin Scorsese. But.

Yeah, really, really good. And like just a fun watch, you know. So Paul Newman was born 1925. This movie came out 1986. So he was 61. Not that old, but getting older. And man, does he like just ooze like cool in this movie. Yeah.

And he just makes Tom Cruise look like he's not cool at all, which is a feat in and of itself. Um, but yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:47:55.446)
I do, yeah. I do love watching really cool people be made to look not cool. That's always really fun.

Eli Price (02:48:00.626)
Yeah, but by the end of the movie, Tom Cruise is picking up on the coolness a bit, which is good. Like I said, it's like it's like watching Paul Newman be like, Hey, Tom, here's how you be a movie star. And then by the end of the movie, Tom is like, OK, ready to be a movie star now. And you're like, thanks, Martin Scorsese for doing that for us. Yeah.

Haydn Fabre (02:48:20.797)
Love that.

Haydn Fabre (02:48:25.39)
It's like the birth of the tom.

Eli Price (02:48:30.206)
The Tom. Yeah. OK, cool. That's our recommendations. Hayden, you want to tell the people where to follow you?

Haydn Fabre (02:48:41.162)
Yeah, follow me on Instagram. Hayden Fobb, just an at, it'll be in the thing. Just, yeah, just maybe, I don't know. I don't know if Eli does that prep or not. I don't know if you wanna really like shout this out. Yeah, but you know, give me a follow. Maybe, maybe, I don't know. You don't have to, if you don't want to. Yeah, follow me on Letterboxd. I watch movies sometimes, occasionally. So just.

Eli Price (02:48:42.147)
The...

Eli Price (02:48:48.146)
Mm-hmm. Yep. Show notes. Yeah, it's in there. I do. It's in there. Look at the episode description. Come on.

Eli Price (02:49:02.678)
Instagram, I'll probably put your letterbox in there too.

Eli Price (02:49:10.57)
Yeah. Follow Hayden or don't. It's your choice.

Haydn Fabre (02:49:12.03)
Whatever. Give me a DM. Tell me a movie that you saw. I don't know. You literally have free will to do whatever you want. So just do it.

Eli Price (02:49:21.182)
Yeah, this is a free country, you know. You can follow them or you cannot follow them. Those are your two options.

Haydn Fabre (02:49:24.974)
Truly.

Haydn Fabre (02:49:28.654)
Does your podcast audience extend outside of the United States? Because then it has a potential to not be a free country. Wow.

Eli Price (02:49:34.314)
Yeah, it does actually. That's true. It does. When I look at the Spotify stats, sometimes I'm like, Netherlands? Reaching the Netherlands? What? Yeah, they're free over there. I mean, there's not a whole lot of countries that aren't very free these days, are there? Let's see. I haven't seen North Korea on the list. But you know, the years young, the days young, who knows?

Haydn Fabre (02:49:42.094)
I'm pretty sure that's a free country, but yeah. North Korea, listening to.

Haydn Fabre (02:49:52.19)
Yeah, we've kind of done that.

Haydn Fabre (02:50:03.042)
What would you do if you just like the next month's episode, like a BFI site and sound, just newspaper comes out or magazine comes out and headline is just like Kim Jong-un finally speaks out on film and says that the establishing voice in film today is the establishing shot podcast? What would your reaction be real time?

Eli Price (02:50:27.615)
Yeah, you know Real time my reaction would be bad presses is still press and even bad press is good press, so You know

Haydn Fabre (02:50:40.898)
You just find out there's like one radio station in North Korea and it's just playing your podcast just on loop. Yeah.

Eli Price (02:50:45.814)
You know on a loop keeping the people hypnotized Under under control. Yeah. Yeah the Netherlands The Netherlands is my number two United States 95% this is just Spotify stats though It doesn't pick up like most of the listeners are on Apple But yeah Spotify stats 2% Netherlands 95% us 2% Netherlands

Haydn Fabre (02:50:49.824)
Oh yeah.

but then they can't watch the new movies that we're watching, so.

Haydn Fabre (02:51:01.814)
Yeah, that's accurate.

Haydn Fabre (02:51:11.085)
Wow.

Shout out to the Netherlands!

Eli Price (02:51:14.27)
Everyone else is negative. Netherlands, if you're listening from the Netherlands, shout out, shout out to you. We love you. Only European country that I've actually been in, but just the airport on a layover. So shout out to the Netherlands.

Haydn Fabre (02:51:23.789)
nether.

Haydn Fabre (02:51:35.758)
It's been a night in Amsterdam. It was lovely. I love this great city. Yeah.

Eli Price (02:51:38.014)
Yeah. Yep. Had a layover in Amsterdam. Loved it. Great airport. You know, you guys are awesome. You're probably not actually listening, but if you are, we love you. That's it. That's the podcast. We did it following.

Haydn Fabre (02:51:45.002)
Yeah. Shout out.

Haydn Fabre (02:51:55.374)
That's the part.

Eli Price (02:51:58.25)
Yeah, we look forward to seeing you again next week for Memento, Christopher Nolan. It's sort of his breakthrough movie at number two, I would say. So yeah, so look forward to discussing that. But until then, this has been the establishing shot. And for me, Eli Price and Hayden Fobb, we will see you next time. And we look forward to it. Have a good one.