Hook (w/ Colby Ewert)

Eli (00:02.409)
Hello. I'm going to start over.

Colby Ewert (00:06.392)
No problem.

Eli (00:10.173)
Hello and welcome to the establishing shot a podcast where we do deep dives into directors and their filmography's I am your host Eli price and we are jumping into kind of a new segment of Steven Spielberg's career we wrapped up our early Spielberg series and we're just gonna jump right into his mid -career so Kind of it's

I think it'll just end up being a long Spielberg series. had originally thought maybe I'll just cover his early movies and then move on to another director before coming back. I've got the Spielberg momentum, so let's just keep going. Yes. Yes. And so we're jumping into his first movie of the 90s today with his Peter Pan adaptation, Hook.

Colby Ewert (00:51.65)
Keep it going. Let's ride.

Eli (01:04.447)
So 1991, hook came out the same year I was born. So I don't know if that dates me or whatever. You can do the math. but, but that wonderful voice you have already heard is, my guests for today. first time guest Colby, you know, I should have asked how exactly to say your last name. I'm going to say, is, do you say E word or you worked? Okay. You worked.

Colby Ewert (01:10.062)
guys.

Colby Ewert (01:31.138)
I say E -work. So you got it first try, yeah. Absolutely.

Eli (01:33.683)
First try. right. Sweet. Colby Ewart. Awesome. Colby is, you know, I call him a friend, but we've only met in person for like five minutes one time, but we are friends. Yeah. Colby and I kind of met through mutual friends through fantasy football leagues. So we're, we're both kind of fantasy football junkies.

Colby Ewert (01:45.868)
We are friends though. We are friends. That is an accurate statement.

Colby Ewert (01:57.676)
I know. So fun.

Eli (02:01.849)
I, I realized earlier, I have a, like a Charger shirt on and Colby's, Broncos fan. promise that wasn't on purpose to like mess with you. I just, I just picked shirts in the morning and this happened to be the one I picked today. Maybe it was fate. It was fate. made me choose this shirt, but, yeah, Colby and I do a lot of, most, a lot of our talk is, trash talk, to each other. And, so yeah.

Colby Ewert (02:09.687)
Mmm, come on now, come on.

Colby Ewert (02:16.878)
haha

I love it. I love it.

Colby Ewert (02:26.434)
Yes. Trading too. Trading too. Cause this is what happens. I'll Eli to trade and he'll say no usually. And then I'm like, okay, but actually how can we get this deal done? Then we'll talk about it for like a week and then get a deal done.

Eli (02:39.135)
Yeah. So, yeah, that's, that's a lot of, mining Colby's, friendship is, talking about fantasy football trades and, and arguing over, over players and stuff. but yeah, it's, it's been fun to, to get to know Colby, I guess, in virtually in, in, in our fantasy football leagues, but, but yeah, I'm excited to have him on the podcast to talk.

movies today. before we do that, Colby, do you want to just share a little bit about yourself? Maybe what you do, some things that you love? Yeah, just share, share a little bit of that.

Colby Ewert (03:21.366)
Yeah, so my name is Colby. I'm from Louisiana, Bossier City, that is. I'm currently in Charlottesville, Virginia. So I moved here two years ago. And now I'm in medical sales up here. It's been good been been doing it for about a year and a half or year and two months, almost a year and a half. But that's not true. It's like a year or two months. And so it's been good. Been good. So

Yeah, I love movies. I enjoy watching movies. I would not call myself a cinephile though. I just don't think I am like, I'm a big Disney guy. So Disney movies are like some of my favorites. So I'm just a big Disney guy in general. I like going to the parks and so, massive sports fan as well. Love the Broncos, big Broncos fan, Nuggets fan, Yankees. So kind of a...

Eli (03:54.275)
That's fair.

Eli (04:02.568)
Yeah.

Eli (04:08.542)
Mm -hmm.

Eli (04:18.438)
I didn't know you were a Yankees fan. That's interesting. Very interesting. Made the switch.

Colby Ewert (04:20.074)
I know I am a Yankees fan, Grew up a Cardinals fan though. I have to shout them out, yeah I do have to shout them out because I want to be called out because it is true, I grew up a Cardinals fan. It's a deep dark secret at this point.

Eli (04:35.197)
Yeah. Yeah. But you, you are definitely like, a Disney aficionado, I guess you would say, not just like, not just like movies, but like the parks and stuff too. Right.

Colby Ewert (04:44.544)
Yes, yes, for sure.

Colby Ewert (04:49.099)
Yeah, the parks is really what I'm more interested in. Like I'm a Disney parks enthusiast for sure. I love it. Love all the parks.

Eli (04:54.719)
Cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you used to even do a little podcast. People can probably go back and find that if they want. It's, not going right now, but if they're interested in hearing like the old, old takes on the Disney parks, those they're out there. it's a, the rope droppers, is that what it was called? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. People can go look at those if they want to, they want to hear some

Colby Ewert (05:01.078)
Yeah. Yeah.

Colby Ewert (05:08.962)
Yeah, still up.

Colby Ewert (05:14.338)
Yeah, Ropejoppers, great podcast. Miss it. I miss it.

Colby Ewert (05:21.516)
Yep, I should.

Eli (05:23.027)
Disney parks takes, and, and we'll, we'll make sure to let Colby drop his like Instagram and whatnot at the end. So you can, cause I, every once in while I see Colby posting some like stuff about pen Disney pens and stuff on his Instagram. If you're interested in that, you can, think I see some back there on your wall. Is that what that is? Some Disney pens. Nice. Very cool. Yeah. So, so it is kind of,

Colby Ewert (05:37.452)
Yeah, yeah.

Colby Ewert (05:44.194)
Yeah, there's some pins up there. I got some pins over here too. So yeah, I'm a collector.

Eli (05:52.619)
I guess this isn't technically a Disney movie, there is Disney, you know, he's a notorious Disney movie, Peter Pan with the notorious villain of Captain Hook. you know, that's, that's definitely, is there, is there, much like Peter Pan in any of the parks? I don't really know, honestly.

Colby Ewert (06:14.262)
Yeah, yeah, Peter Pan has a really popular ride, actually. So yeah, it's called Peter Pan's Flight. And so it's like a kind of actually a kids ride, but everyone loves it, because it's just, there's a really cool scene where you like go over London. It's just, they do it really, really well. It's just a cool ride.

Eli (06:19.121)
Okay, what is that?

Eli (06:23.453)
Okay.

Eli (06:27.348)
Yeah.

Eli (06:30.963)
Gotcha, yeah. That's cool. Yeah, that's cool. Sweet. Yeah, so what, I guess moving into movies, what, do you remember like your first Spielberg experience?

Colby Ewert (06:45.186)
Yes, I definitely do. Because it was actually Catch Me If You Can. That was the first students' film I ever watched.

Eli (06:46.751)
Sweet.

Okay. That's a first for me. I haven't heard that one yet.

Colby Ewert (06:54.028)
Yeah, so I didn't really watch a lot of movies like that growing up. Like I really watched a lot of Disney movies. and I just, because of that, I missed a lot of them. And so I remember watching that for the first time and just being like, my gosh, this is amazing. And that's kind of why I say I'm not a cinephile because I haven't seen a lot of the big movies. Like I've seen, you know, I've seen...

Eli (07:01.705)
Sure, yeah.

Eli (07:05.843)
Mm

Eli (07:13.329)
Yeah

Eli (07:18.824)
Yeah.

Colby Ewert (07:20.844)
a good amount of them, but there's honestly a huge chunk that I still need to see. So yeah.

Eli (07:24.157)
Right, yeah. Well, you've got to start somewhere, you know. If you hang out with me long enough, you might turn into a cinephile. yeah, yeah. Yeah. Jake, I didn't mention Jacob Phillips, who's been on the podcast a few times is, is kind of our mutual friend that we kind of met through. So, met in person at his wedding. but yeah. So shout out to Jacob.

Colby Ewert (07:32.844)
Yeah, you and Philly. Philly likes movies too, so I talk to him a lot.

Colby Ewert (07:43.501)
Yes.

Colby Ewert (07:49.037)
That's right.

Eli (07:50.927)
I've always called him Jacob, but a lot of people call him Philly, so. Yeah, the hometown.

Colby Ewert (07:54.24)
Yeah, see his hometown people, you, Philly, if you listen to this, which I'm sure you do, like, listen, you know, you know, your hometown people call you Philly. So now you know, Jacob.

Eli (07:59.133)
Yeah, yes. yeah. So that's cool. Catch me if you can. So what was it? What was like that experience? Do you remember being like, just being overwhelmed? Well, it's, it's two, it's like Spielberg with Leo being like, yeah. And Tom Hanks, like

Colby Ewert (08:13.94)
yeah, dude, I was mesmerized. I was mesmerized by this movie.

Colby Ewert (08:22.954)
and Tom Hanks, and they were just going back and forth doing their thing. It was amazing. So that first experience, I remember watching it and just being like, man, I need to watch more movies like this. And so that's why I do have Steven Spielberg as one of my favorite directors, just because he's kind of the guy that introduced me to all of these, kind of just more movie movies, I guess. so Disney movies, they're Disney movies, right? And so it's just, they're different. It's a different category.

Eli (08:27.655)
Yeah.

Eli (08:34.419)
Mm -hmm.

Eli (08:38.803)
Yeah, yeah.

Eli (08:52.455)
Yeah, it's, it's, it's funny. I would say like Spielberg's a good, like, I guess I'll, I'll, like to use the metaphor of like a gateway drug. He's like a gateway drug into getting into movies, especially if you grow up watching Disney. Yeah. If you grow up watching, you know, like Disney and Pixar movies and stuff like that, Spielberg has that feel like that adventurous feel in a lot of his movies. And so, yeah, it's good, good transition. I think.

Colby Ewert (09:02.956)
Yeah, because he because Indiana Jones to.

So, yeah.

Eli (09:20.873)
Probably. What are some of your favorite Spielbergs?

Colby Ewert (09:25.07)
catch me can definitely is probably number one honestly and he did he did the indiana jones movie right yeah okay cool so like pretty much all those i love all those those are fire i just get confused on who does what but

Eli (09:25.577)
Catch me if you can, I'm guessing it's probably one of them. Cool, cool.

Eli (09:34.004)
huh, he did the first four of them, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Eli (09:44.351)
Yeah, the mo the one that came out last year at 20, was it 23 or yeah, I think it was 2023. That was a different. Yeah. Dial of destiny. That was, that was not Spielberg. but he, he produced it still, but he didn't direct it.

Colby Ewert (09:52.524)
the Kingdom of Destiny one. Yeah, that was destiny. Yeah, something like that. Yeah.

I like ET and I like Jaws. We watched Jaws one time and it was really good. So there's like those older one toes.

Eli (10:02.408)
Yeah.

Yeah, Jaws and ET are my Jaws and ET I think are like my top two probably. but but yeah. well that's cool. Well today we're, we're talking about one that you hadn't seen. as far as I think that's what you told me. You had never seen it before.

Colby Ewert (10:23.798)
No, the first time I saw it was like a few hours ago. So it's really fresh.

Eli (10:26.783)
Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah. Super fresh. I, we're going to be talking about, Spielberg's hook from 1991. And so, I know for me, this came out the year I was born. and I know I'm fairly certain I probably saw it as a kid, but I'll have like strong memories of it. So it was kind of like watching it for the first time when I watched it.

earlier this week. and so it, yeah, I don't, a lot of people my age have like a ton of nostalgia attached to this movie. and sometimes nostalgia can like override. Like if a movie is like not, yeah, not really that great, you can still like really super love it a ton just because of the nostalgia attack. Like I think the prequel star wars movies are like that for me. Like I can watch them objectively and be like,

Colby Ewert (11:10.927)
The actual movie.

Eli (11:25.343)
They're not that great, you know, but I love them, but I love them, you and so it's, I don't really have that with hook though. So it was, it was interesting to, to jump into it. knowing that so many people like around my age, like just love it and have so much nostalgia for it. And me just not, not having that, it just was a movie that wasn't like a huge part of my childhood.

Colby Ewert (11:27.63)
Bro, those movies are awesome. Yeah, no, same. I love those movies.

Eli (11:54.815)
But yeah, let's let's jump in We can kind of share more of our thoughts on the movie later on but let's let's start at the beginning because It's probably not a surprise that Steven Spielberg was obsessed with the character of Peter Pan since his childhood He has like you can see themes kind of borrowed from that Peter Pan story kind of spark like

sprinkled throughout his career. I mean, you've got like fear of aging, desire for eternal youth, you've got like not wanting to lose your way when you become an adult. Like that's like basically almost in every Spielberg movie you have a little bit of that stuff. So especially to this point in his career, most of his movies have that.

It really is. So in the early eighties, Spielberg actually almost adapted, the Peter Pan story. it was going to be, more like true adaptation of the, like the original, like play that JM Barry had written. it's cause it was written as a play and then he wrote it as like a little novel too. and so he was going to adapt the play. It was going to have more song and dance and Michael Jackson was going to be the lead.

where, yeah, I know I was like, man, I really almost wish I w we would have gotten that one instead. that would have been super interesting. but, his son, Max was born around that time and he decided he didn't want to be like going to London and back a ton. And so he kind of dropped the project and, Michael Jackson was like a huge Peter Pan fan and, was like really upset when he jumped the pop.

Colby Ewert (13:21.41)
No way. No, that would be cool.

Colby Ewert (13:40.77)
Mm

Eli (13:51.995)
the project and kind of had a falling out with Spielberg. yeah, so that we didn't get the Peter Pan with Michael Jackson, Steven Spielberg movie, which is unfortunate, you know, that would have been nice to have. But this movie, Hook, the idea originated with Jim V. Hart, who was the original screenwriter for it.

Colby Ewert (13:55.177)
wow.

Eli (14:18.903)
he, his three year old son was like drawing some Peter Pan and Captain Hook and was kind of like talking with him about like, well, what if Hook survived like the crocodile attack and what if Peter Pan grew up and, Hart was kind of like just hearing these questions from his son and was like, man, these, these are like really interesting ideas. And, he had really kind of wanted to adapt, the

story already and, he didn't want to do like a remake. so really like his son's questions kind of sparked the, the story. and he kind of started coming up with the concept of Peter being like in his forties and working like on the wall street. which he kind of like saw as like modern day piracy, which is pretty funny. which yeah. And also not, not to.

Colby Ewert (15:11.266)
Yeah, but also reasonable.

Eli (15:16.575)
Not too far off. So, try star pictures, decided to develop the story. He, guess he sent them, the idea or like a pitch for it. they, they wanted to develop it. They appointed a guy named Nick Castle to direct it. He had direct, I think his most popular movie that he had done up to that point was called the last star fighter from 1984, which I've never seen. Don't really know anything about it.

Colby Ewert (15:18.156)
Yeah, no, for real.

Eli (15:46.751)
but, that's who they chose. And, but then in 1989, Columbia acquired Sony. It was acquired by Sony and Sony, put this guy named Mike MetaVoy, as the head of TriStar pictures. TriStar was a part of Columbia. and so MetaVoy immediately like sees this project.

starts using his connections and he gets Robin Williams and Dustin Hoffman on board to star in the film like pretty quickly. And then he's like, okay, so now we have two big A -list stars in the movie. So we need an A -list like director to direct it. So MetaVoy was actually Steven Spielberg's first agent back in the 60s when he was working in television.

Colby Ewert (16:35.467)
Okay.

Eli (16:38.751)
And so MetaVoy calls up Spielberg and, and gets him, you know, ask him if he wants to direct the movie. so yeah, so it's, it's an interesting point in Spielberg's career. He's had some, he's had a few like, other than the last crusade, which came out in 89 and was a big hit because it's an Indiana Jones movies. A lot of his like movies that weren't attached to that franchise were kind of like.

Colby Ewert (17:03.34)
Right.

Eli (17:08.511)
Going downhill. He hadn't had a whole lot of like success. yeah. And so, and, and he was really kind of growing up. He had, he was passing on, he had passed on the movie big with Tom Hanks that came out in 88. Yeah. Yeah. It's yeah. It's, it's definitely like a classic. I don't love it as much as a lot of people do, but it's, it's definitely a fun movie.

Colby Ewert (17:25.228)
Wait, so I haven't seen that one, but I've heard it's really good. Do I need to see it?

Eli (17:37.971)
But, but it has like that Spielberg feel, but he was kind of like wanting to do different, something different. but he did have, he, you know, he was. MetaVoy calls him. He's telling them about the movie. He's interested in Peter Banning as a character. He's like a workaholic. That's neglecting fatherhood. He kind of sees parallels for himself and parallels from like his experience with his father. And,

So he does eventually accept the offer to direct, he like, he's, it's just an example of like a big name, like Spielberg being a, still being a pretty good guy. He doesn't want to like, take Nick Castle's place who was originally set up to direct it. And so he basically gets them to give Castle writing credit on the movie. and he gets like a really good financial payoff for.

for getting dropped from the project, which I think is like cool for Spielberg to do like, okay, I'll do it. But only if you like give this guy his do you know, he was expected, he was expecting to do this movie and now you're like kicking them off the project. So give them a good payout, know? Yeah. class classy guy, Spilt Steven Spielberg, at least this time, I don't really know him personally, but it seems like a classy move to me.

Colby Ewert (18:52.652)
Yeah, no, that's cool. That's super cool that did that.

Colby Ewert (19:03.511)
You

Eli (19:06.591)
But Spielberg also replaces Jim Hart with another writer, Malia Scotch Marmo. He felt like Hook wasn't sufficiently developed as a character, and so he brought her on to kind of fix up the script, I guess more like he wanted it. And actually, Carrie Fisher did some script doctoring too on this one.

Colby Ewert (19:35.768)
Well, interesting.

Eli (19:36.253)
Yeah, she, apparently she, she did some like script. So a lot of times these, studios will have like, they call them script doctors and they're basically like someone who will come in once the script is done and about ready to go and like, kind of just like doctor up some dialogue or like fix some things up. and usually those people don't get screenwriting credit on the movies. So like Carrie Fisher doesn't have any credit, but she did a lot of.

Reworking of Tinkerbell's dialogue for the movie. So I thought that was pretty cool. Yeah

Colby Ewert (20:09.102)
Hmm, that's interesting, yeah. Him and George Lucas though, they have a pretty good relationship or something.

Eli (20:16.935)
Yeah, yeah, they do. and we'll actually, there's a, there's a fun, a fun fact dealing with George Lucas later on that we'll get to. I'll see, see if you noticed it in the movie. honestly, I knew it was there and I still didn't see it. So it's fine. but yeah, so, so let's, we can run through the crew real quick and then we'll, we'll touch on, the big cast members of the movie. So.

Colby Ewert (20:19.576)
Yeah.

Colby Ewert (20:28.942)
Okay, I hope I did, maybe not.

Eli (20:46.515)
this was produced of course by Steven Spielberg and his two buddies, Kathleen Kennedy and Frank Marshall. they all, all those three started, Amblin entertainment together. And so they're still pumping out, movies as co -producers. this, the story kind of came from the Jim Hart, as we talked about this, guy, Nick Castle that got the writing credit in that way. thanks to Spielberg.

And of course we, we touched on too, it's based on the work by J Barrie or barry. I don't actually know if you say Barry or barry, but, anyway, it don't matter. I did read his, book for the first, I'd never read it before. So I read it. It was probably like a month ago. I listened to the audio book and it was good. I didn't like, I wasn't like blown away, but I was like, this, you know, it's a good story. It's I've kind of like. Familiar enough with the story where it's like.

Colby Ewert (21:24.494)
I don't know.

Eli (21:44.231)
Nothing is surprising because you've heard this Peter Pan story so many times growing up. So that might have been, I might've loved it more if I heard it like maybe when I was a kid, but yeah. Have you ever read the Peter Pan book?

Colby Ewert (22:00.04)
No, I've never read it actually.

Eli (22:01.053)
Yeah. Yeah. It's good. It's, if you're, if you're like, like reading, it's worth a read. and it's not like super long or anything. yeah. the director of photographer, the director of photography and some people call it cinematographer, was a guy named Dean Cundy. he had done movies like back to the future, the thing Halloween.

and he was, he would also go on to do Jurassic park, with Spielberg. And so, that was a kind of, I think those are the two movies he did with them was hook and Jurassic park, which were kind of like back to back movies. yeah. And then of course you've got, the music, John Williams. it's, it's kind of like, if you see Steven Spielberg, usually John Williams is attached and also the editor, Michael Kahn.

Colby Ewert (22:43.031)
Okay.

Colby Ewert (22:48.771)
Hey, that's the goat,

Eli (22:57.855)
Michael Kahn, I'm pretty sure has edited all his movies except ET and the fabled men's. So, yeah, every movie. I don't know that he, I don't think he did jaws, but it was, I think it's like since close encounters, every movie except ET and the fabled men's. So obviously a really good editor as all of Spielberg's movies are the editing is great. So.

Colby Ewert (23:06.786)
Wow. The lifetime, bro.

Colby Ewert (23:15.522)
Wow.

Eli (23:26.599)
Ron Judkins did the sound and he does, looked at his, filmography. He ends up doing a ton of work with Spielberg after this. So this is his first like work with him. and that's, that's something like I've always really liked about, like digging into the crew of movies is like, you'll, you'll, start to notice like, this person works with this director a lot, or these few people are like this director's go to for their, you know, their crew.

Colby Ewert (23:35.361)
Okay.

Eli (23:56.171)
it's just cool to see like all those connections. yeah.

Colby Ewert (24:00.224)
It is. It's like, hey, you did a good job and we want to keep you on. it's like, I bet I bet they try to poach each other as well, like directors will.

Eli (24:05.342)
Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. huh. Yeah. yeah. For sure. I mean, they're all the time, like in my research, I'll see like, yeah, this person Spielberg hired this person. Cause, you know, Scorsese was like, Hey, this guy was good in this movie or whatever. so that's for sure going on. but yeah, it's, and, to like, they kind of develop like a, a shorthand language where they can like communicate really easily with one another.

because Hey, I've worked with you before. I understand like where you're going. You don't have to like over explain, you know? But, but yeah, moving, moving through the crew, the rest of the crew, the, Norman Garwood was the production designer. he, did the movie Brazil, which I have never seen. but apparently has like really interesting production design. And then the princess bride. mean, that's, that's a classic. yeah. Yeah.

Colby Ewert (24:58.83)
Never seen it.

Colby Ewert (25:03.918)
It's a good one, that's a good one. I've seen that one. I like that one.

Eli (25:07.507)
yeah, it's, mean, I don't know anyone that doesn't, but yeah. set decorator, Garrett Lewis. He, he had done a little bit of work. he, I thought it was interesting. He had just done pretty woman, which, had Julia Roberts. So, I don't know if she's like recommended him or what, but, special effects was a guy named Michael Lantieri. the only thing of note I saw before this was,

The Witches of Eastwick, which I've never seen. It's a George Miller movie. I don't know. visual effects was Eric Brevig. he did, he does a lot of good stuff. Men in Black signs, Total Recall. Harley, this one is interesting that I think you'll think it's interesting too. This guy named Harley Jessup was a, was one of the visual effects guys. and he ends up.

going on to do a lot of the production design for Pixar movies. And so, yeah, so I was like, that's cool because you look at like the sets for this movie hook and you think, yeah, this would translate super well to like designing the sets for like an animated movie and this like these adventurous movies, you know? Because that.

Colby Ewert (26:10.456)
Ooh, that's very neat. That's very neat.

Colby Ewert (26:19.34)
Yeah.

Colby Ewert (26:29.698)
Yeah.

Eli (26:31.677)
That's one thing I guess a lot of people maybe don't realize about animated movies is especially Pixar, which are like CG. They're actually like going in and like computer generating the they're basically making sets on the computer. So, you know, they're, they're creating the room with the dimensions and they're like placing, you know, the decorations around on the set. Just, it's just in the computer instead of in real life.

Colby Ewert (26:47.852)
Mm.

Eli (27:01.279)
and so I was like, yeah, okay. That would, makes sense. Like that, that really would translate well of like working on a movie like hook and then going on to do Pixar stuff. I thought that was cool.

Colby Ewert (27:15.82)
Yeah, that is neat. I'm a huge Pixar fan, so that's kind of cool to hear.

Eli (27:18.568)
Yeah, yeah.

I saw this guy, John Napier was like a visual effects consultant. I don't really know what that means, but, it was in one of it came up in my research. God, I always shout out the hair and makeup people, Judith, a Carrie, Christina Smith, Monte Westmore, grad Canon. and then the costumes were done by Anthony Powell, who did, a few of the indie films, the Indiana Jones films. so.

Shout out to Anthony Powell. I remember he, he, was in some of the, yeah, he was in some of like the making of documentaries for those indie movies. And he was a, interesting guy. Like I can pick, I remember like, can picture him in my head, talking about the costumes for Indiana Jones. yeah, that's, that's basically the crew. Of course you have like a ton of stump people and all that too, but can't name everybody.

Colby Ewert (27:55.278)
Sorry.

Colby Ewert (28:20.622)
Yeah

Eli (28:20.643)
It would be, we would just like, it would be like 30 minutes of just like naming the list of names. yeah. the cast of course, yeah. Robin Williams as Peter Banning slash Peter Pan. Robin Williams, was, I thought it was funny. He had it like misgivings about the character being a good match for Hoffman's performance. He like found out that he was going to be working with.

Colby Ewert (28:23.374)
I'm gonna be naming everybody, everybody ever.

You

Eli (28:48.829)
Dustin Hoffman, was like, I don't know about, I don't know if like I'll be a good match. and, it was actually, Bob Hoskins who plays me that, convinced him. He's like, no, you, definitely should, should do it. It's going to be good. So I'm glad he, I'm glad old Hoskins. Yeah. Yeah. Shout out. Shout out to old Bobby. Yeah. Yeah.

Colby Ewert (29:07.362)
I like to hear that. Shout out to Hoskins. Because Robin Williams is perfect in this, as Peter Pan to me.

Eli (29:16.977)
And, we'll, we'll probably definitely talk about it. think he's, talk about it more later. I think he's, I think he's much better. Like when he's in Peter Pan mode than he is when he's like in Peter banning mode. and I think it's, he, think at this, no, I like it too. I think at this point in his career though, he was still in his like crazy phase. Like he wasn't doing a whole lot of like serious roles yet. and so I think he was.

Colby Ewert (29:30.614)
Yeah, I can see that. I like it though. Yeah.

Eli (29:47.571)
And then like I watched some of like the behind the scenes stuff and he's just like a ton. You can tell he's just like a ball of energy, tons of fun to have on set. and it's just like, you know, you have a bunch of kids on set too. So they just like feed his like wildness and energy. It's a, it's fun to watch. but yeah, Dustin, Dustin Hoffman is Captain Hook, of course.

Which I think is interesting. I, when I was watching the movie, I kept thinking, man, he, he's reminding me of like a Tim Curry performance. I don't, I don't know if you like, are that familiar with, with Tim Curry. but, a lot of people would probably know him from, Home Alone 2. He's the, he's the, the like main hotel guy. Yeah.

Colby Ewert (30:38.414)
Wait, who is he in Homeworld 2?

Colby Ewert (30:43.027)
yes, no no, he's amazing.

Eli (30:45.031)
Yeah, yeah. So yeah, I don't know. There's just something about, it's, I'll pull it up. It's, it's just concierge. He doesn't even have a name. Well, it doesn't list it on letterbox. I'll say that it doesn't, it just says concierge, but, but yeah, he was, he's in like the Rocky horror picture show. He was in the,

Colby Ewert (30:50.094)
What's his name in that movie?

Colby Ewert (30:54.926)
I can't remember it, but I love Home Alone 2.

No, no, he has a name. He has a name. Okay.

Eli (31:10.749)
Ridley Scott movie legend. plays like the Lord of Darkness guy. Yeah.

Colby Ewert (31:14.902)
Yes, no, this guy is a goat. that one movie alone, I love him a lot too.

Eli (31:22.854)
yeah. Yeah, I do too. Okay. Yeah, so, so I was watching like Dustin Hoffman's performance and I was like, this is like big Tim Curry energy. Like just the way he like does his like facial big facial expressions and like, yeah, yeah. I was thinking, man, Tim Curry would have been good in this role too. But Dustin Hoff. Yeah.

Colby Ewert (31:25.048)
Hector, it's Hector, Hector. Yes.

Colby Ewert (31:38.114)
Yeah, I like that comp. Yeah, I really do.

Colby Ewert (31:46.766)
I think I would have liked Tim Curry better. I'm gonna say it. I didn't like Dustin Hoffman that much. Yeah, but I liked Tim Curry a lot. I would have loved for him to do it.

Eli (31:51.231)
I

Really? Okay.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. I, you know, I've got to kind of agree if re if we were recasting the movie, let's get Tim Curry in there. and, and as, as captain hook, but, I didn't think, I didn't think Hoffman was bad. He's definitely like. Bringing an interesting energy to the character. he, when you watch like the, it's interesting. Cause like when you, can go on YouTube and watch some of like the interviews of him around that time. And it's interesting cause you can tell he's like.

Colby Ewert (32:09.048)
Okay.

Eli (32:32.275)
He's having a lot of fun on set, but also in like the, the like one -on -one parts of the interview, it's like, he's taking it very seriously and like real into it. And I'm like, I don't know if, if like, taking it too seriously is like the right route, but also like he's getting some good performance out of it. So maybe, I don't know. yeah, he's like one of those guys he's like, yeah, I never thought of hook as a villain. try not to like,

think of my characters that way. And I'm like, okay, but that seems strange because he is, he is a villain. Like you don't, you don't have to, you don't have to. Yeah. I'm like, don't. Yeah. Right. I just always think that's funny. It's like, yeah. I try not to judge my character. I'm like, okay. Yeah. But it's captain hook, you know, it's not, but,

Colby Ewert (33:06.264)
But he is a villain. Right. He's trying to kill a little kid, bro. I mean, Joe, like, that's a villain. That's villain. That makes you a villain.

Colby Ewert (33:27.182)
All right.

Eli (33:30.503)
Yeah. So, and I thought it was funny, Steven Spielberg, he was talking about how Hoffman likes to like improv his way into characters. And so they would spend like four to five days, like working through, I guess, like rehearsing through stuff before they were really like ready to shoot something. and I thought that was really funny. It's like, man, I don't know. Hoffman seems like a bit of a, like a drama, a drama queen. but yeah, something like that.

Colby Ewert (33:56.174)
I got Chevy Chase.

Eli (34:01.331)
Yeah, go on through the cast. and we'll, we'll talk about the characters more later for sure. But, Julia Roberts as Tinkerbell, she's kind of a rising star at this point. She had been in pretty, pretty woman the year before. and she's, she's still pretty young. Like I think she's in her early twenties when this movie comes out. yeah, Bob Hoskins, we shouted him out, plays me, Maggie Smith plays granny Wendy.

she was 56 years old in this movie and they really did some makeup work on her to make her look really old. Yeah. She looks like, she looks like significantly older in this movie than she does in, as professor McGonagall and the Harry Potter movies. And it's like a decade before those movies. So they really did some makeup work on her. and actually she was recommended by the costume guy, Anthony Powell, which is fun.

Colby Ewert (34:35.854)
92?

Colby Ewert (34:48.312)
Well.

Eli (35:00.455)
yeah, Caroline Goodall plays, Peter's wife, Moira. I didn't really recognize a whole lot of stuff she had been in. and then you got the kids, Charlie Coors Mo plays Jack, Amber Scott plays Maggie. They don't really go on to do much of anything. A lot of child actors don't. there's kind of few and far between for child actors to actually like go on to do a bunch of movies, but,

Colby Ewert (35:29.039)
Hmm, I wonder why that is just because there's so many.

Eli (35:31.455)
I think it's just like, doesn't, the, the talent doesn't like necessarily translate. and then I think a lot of times it's just like, maybe, I don't know, like when you're a kid, you want to do something, but as you get older, you just, you like change what you want to do. I think it's probably a lot of that. It's like, my, you know, my parents were able to get me in this movie, but now I'm like 17 and I don't really want to do that anymore. I want to do something else. Probably, probably a lot of that.

But

Colby Ewert (36:02.996)
I want to play fancy football now.

Eli (36:04.371)
Yeah, yeah I want to I want to be a fantasy football I guess better gambler Yeah The the rest of the cast is really just kind of like a bunch of side characters I'm not I mean, I'll name a few of like the lost boys. You got Dante Basco as Rufio and yeah, I mean this guy Rosh

Colby Ewert (36:26.776)
Bro, you gotta name thud. You gotta name thud.

Eli (36:32.817)
Roshan Hammond bringing the thud butt energy like my goodness like My man thud butt rolling down the stairs.

Colby Ewert (36:41.868)
Yeah, that was legendary. Also, he gets the sword. He's like Peter Pan. That was crazy part of the movie, Tamarie.

Eli (36:45.767)
Yeah. I don't know, dude. I'm just imagining like the thud ball rolling down the stairs with the Peter Pan sword. It's like even more deadly. that was, that was one of my favorite parts of the movie when thud butt turns into a ball and like bulls and pirates over.

Colby Ewert (36:51.15)
I know, bro. I know.

Colby Ewert (37:02.806)
I know, it was great. It was great. And I love how the pirates just like absolutely took it like they could not get up again.

Eli (37:09.457)
Yeah. I mean, it's the thud ball, bro. You can't get back up after that. man. Yeah. You can, I'm not going to name all the lost boys because there's, there's a lot there. So I was asking my wife, cause she watched this with me earlier in the week. I was like, there were not that many lost boys and like the Disney Peter Pan. There's just like,

Colby Ewert (37:12.76)
Alright, you're right! No, hey, you're right!

Eli (37:35.807)
The the main crew. Am I right? Like there's not like 30 Yeah, there's yes, it's a countable number like you can count them on your hands there's not like 40 40 lost boys running around like There's a lot in this movie though

Colby Ewert (37:38.742)
Yeah, I think so. There's like four or five.

Colby Ewert (37:44.426)
Yeah, it's not that... I don't know their names.

Colby Ewert (37:52.366)
Cubby, Cubby is one. I'm trying to think of the other ones, lost one.

Eli (37:54.705)
Okay, I think Toodles was one so he's an old old man in this movie and I'm pretty sure Toodles is one of the original ones. I think that's what it's how it's supposed to play in this movie as like yeah Toodles came came to the real world too and is an old man now, but Yeah, lots of Lost Boys, here's some here's some like fun facts people in the movie that

That I think will be fun. So Gwyneth Paltrow plays the young Wendy She was Spielberg's goddaughter. So that's kind of her connection to get in And this is this is where it gets really fun. Phil Collins plays a Scott Scotland yard inspector good Yeah, I didn't notice really any of these so it's fine Jimmy Jimmy Buffett

Colby Ewert (38:42.529)
Okay, I did not know that.

Colby Ewert (38:47.362)
Wait, what? Jimmy Buffett's in this movie? Yo. my gosh. I would have never known this. This is crazy.

Eli (38:50.599)
Yeah, there's one of there's a shoe stealing pirate and that's Jimmy Buffett. Yeah, just Google it later. Just Google like Jimmy Buffett and hook. David Crosby of Crosby steals a nach. Nash is the pirate that gets hit in the crotch during the battle. Glenn Clutt. So, okay. You need to Google right now. Go ahead and just Google. if you're listening,

Colby Ewert (39:09.998)
Glenn closest in this movie? is what? No, bro.

Eli (39:18.001)
Also Google along with Colby going close in hook because she is in complete disguise as the pirate that hook gets thrown into a chest with the scorpions. If you remember that pirate, that's Glenn close and totally unrecognizable. Like if you, if you see a side by side, you can kind of see the face structure. Like you're like, okay, I see how it is Glenn close.

Colby Ewert (39:31.825)
my gosh, yes. How? That's so crazy. No, that's unrecognizable.

Eli (39:46.323)
But if you just see the pirate by himself slash herself, it's like, yeah, you would never guess that that was Glenn Close. I thought that was really fun.

Colby Ewert (39:56.258)
Okay, I see the Phil Collins now. Yeah. And I can see it if I would have known it was Phil Collins beforehand, but not if I, yeah.

Eli (39:59.197)
Yeah, yeah. -hmm. Yep, that's him. He's a inspector.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. Jimmy Buffett and David Crosby. I don't know that I would have recognized. but, but yeah, the last, fun cameo is, there's a point where I think it's towards the end. There's a couple that's kissing on a bridge and they get some fairy, some Tinkerbell fairy dust sprinkled on them and they start floating. That's, George Lucas and Carrie Fisher,

Colby Ewert (40:33.422)
Okay, hold on.

Eli (40:34.291)
Kissing on the Bridge. You Googling that one too? Yeah, yeah. I didn't, I knew it was in the movie but I forgot to look for it while I was watching so I didn't notice. My wife said she did, so. But I didn't. Are you seeing it? Yeah, Yeah, so those were some fun cameos. Yeah. I was blown away by the Glenn Close one. You really like.

Colby Ewert (40:37.038)
I got to.

Colby Ewert (40:50.348)
Yeah, I see it now.

Colby Ewert (40:55.384)
That is fun.

Colby Ewert (41:00.694)
Yeah, yeah for sure. Please, yes, go Google that right now. It's insane.

Eli (41:01.309)
If you're listening and you haven't Googled it yet, go ahead and hit pause and yeah. but yeah, so that's, that's the, that's the cast. It's a fun cast. yeah. So they, they finally get to production. they start, this was something that I've just been so like thrown by doing these Spielberg movies is like his movies will be like filmed.

early in the year or like in the middle of the year and then they'll come out in like December or you know the summer and I'm like movies do not turn around that fast anymore. So they've yeah they they filmed this from February to August in 1991 and it comes out in December so I mean it's just like yeah I know they just don't do it like that anymore it's

Colby Ewert (41:41.442)
Yeah, they're so, they take forever now. I feel like.

Colby Ewert (41:51.97)
What? Bro, that's really fast, I feel like.

Eli (42:00.273)
It's wild. I don't know. I don't, I don't know if it's like, there's just a lot more like moving parts as far as like studios and, marketing and, distribution. I guess there's just like more moving parts between all that stuff now. That's probably part of it. It's like, there's probably like some best practices for marketing. but there's also like, we want to get someone who's going to distribute it.

Colby Ewert (42:01.048)
Why is that?

Colby Ewert (42:16.482)
They want to build up the movie more, I guess.

Eli (42:28.637)
the way that we want it to be distributed. Cause most of the time the studio that produces the movie isn't the one that distributes it. it's like another usually company that some, some, some studios do their own distribution, but a lot of them don't. and so that it's, I think it's just that, I think it's just like, there's so many like moving parts. I think that there's a lot of stuff shot on digital now and you would think that would make

things easier than shooting on film, but also you have to think about like things were shot on film and yeah, editing is like a more, maybe a more intricate process, like cutting and splicing together like physical film, but also like shooting on digital, you can just shoot and shoot and shoot. on film, had to be conservative with like their shooting cause you only have so much film, like it runs out. Whereas digital, like you have so much like

footage to go through and edit together. and so that probably the editing process is probably actually like longer than it used to be. Now that you would think it would be the opposite, but it's just so much footage to go through with that digital footage that most stuff is shot on now. So, yeah, I think it's just like a combination of all that kind of stuff. and yeah, marketing is probably a big part of it, but yeah, this one.

Colby Ewert (43:46.04)
Mm

Colby Ewert (43:53.23)
It's interesting.

Eli (43:58.111)
real quick turnaround. They started filming in February of 1991. So they started filming before I was born and they finished after I was born. there we go. It was shot pretty much entirely at Culver Studios in Los Angeles. The only thing that was shot like out of studio and on location was the baseball scenes, baseball game scenes. It was like at a local park.

Colby Ewert (44:09.614)
There you go.

Colby Ewert (44:26.616)
yeah.

Eli (44:27.059)
down the road, I guess, from the studios. Yeah. Yeah.

Colby Ewert (44:29.25)
I like that part. It really made me sad. Like, it's like, what the heck?

Eli (44:32.607)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it doesn't hold anything back with that one. He just shows up and there's just nobody there. It's like, good job. Good job, Peter. Yeah. So here's the part that I think is the best, like the best part of the movie as far as like it being made is the production. The production design is just like really good in this movie.

Colby Ewert (44:41.454)
Nobody there, yeah.

Eli (45:02.399)
so the sets took six months to construct. they were, they covered nine total sound stages at Culver studios. So, yeah, yeah, this, they really were. So the, on stage 27, which is where, the wizard of Oz was, the set for the wizard of Oz was constructed.

Colby Ewert (45:13.762)
That's so interesting. mean, the sets were breathtaking. Really.

Eli (45:28.895)
they reconstructed the pirate layer and a full size version of hooks, galleon ship. was 170 feet long, 35 feet wide and 70 feet high. which is just crazy. I think that was the, I think the pirate section was like the biggest set. yeah, it's. Yeah, it does. You know, it actually feels like.

Colby Ewert (45:48.352)
It was gorgeous, bro. it really, it was just so immersive. Like.

Eli (45:55.559)
something that you might see at Disney World or Disneyland, know? Yeah. and that, like when I, cause like I said before, I don't really remember a whole lot about the movie from when I saw it as a kid. And so like, when I saw it now, earlier this week, I was like, man, this is really incredible, incredible sets. the other big one was, they built like a,

Colby Ewert (45:58.348)
Yeah, yeah, no, totally.

Eli (46:22.247)
Like real actual size lost boys playground. So like the big set where, know, it's the lost boys, like swinging around and running around and riding the little. What is that? It's like a skateboard cell with a cell on it. yeah. But it's like on a track. Yeah. It's like, why does it need a cell if it's on a track?

Colby Ewert (46:30.178)
Yeah.

Colby Ewert (46:38.4)
Yeah, it's one of those things where the physics of it don't make lot of sense, but it's just a lot of fun. Right, right, yeah. Nothing really makes sense with it, but it's cool. So...

Eli (46:52.963)
Yeah, is. Yeah, exactly. It's all they have a basketball goal. like they, like they've got everything. they've got a half pipe, you know, it's, it's really incredible. yeah, ropes, swings, hammocks. It's really has it all, but that was the other, like really big set. I think was the, lost boys. don't know what you call it.

Colby Ewert (46:59.32)
You

Eli (47:20.787)
I think my research, the book I use called it the Lost Boys Playground, which I think is fun. But yeah, so those were the two big ones, but there were, yeah, there were a lot of like sets that they had to build for this movie. And it just, it all looks like super good. Cause it's all like real sets. They, mean, I watched a, I watched like a time -lapse there in one of the little

Colby Ewert (47:26.134)
Yeah, nah, I think that's perfect.

Eli (47:48.061)
behind the scenes thing, they have like a little time lapse of them building like the pirate ship and stuff. And it's, mean, it's literally them just like constructing a huge ship with real wood. it was, it was cool to see that. but yeah, the production designer, Norman Garwood just had like, he was on his game. Like he was, he was killing it. Yeah.

Colby Ewert (48:01.036)
Yeah.

Colby Ewert (48:11.47)
Stud. That's your fantasy RB1 overall. That's your Christian McCaffrey. Right.

Eli (48:16.199)
Yeah, he's round one pick for production design is at least in the early 90s. Norman Garwood. Yeah. Yeah. Dustin Hoffman was like in the, in his interview, he was like going on and on about how like magical and awesome the sets were. And I can imagine like, it's probably really energizing to be on a real set. That's like

Colby Ewert (48:23.096)
All right.

Eli (48:44.561)
actual size that looks that good. You know, it just like puts you, yeah, puts you like in, in it, like you're in the middle of it. which yeah, really cool. so for Tinkerbell, they built oversized sets. So, so like the, when she's like in the dollhouse, that's an actual set just with like huge stuff, like huge tables and huge, there's, there's whenever she's like,

Colby Ewert (48:44.59)
Yeah.

Colby Ewert (48:48.238)
It's gotta be motivating. 100%.

Eli (49:14.963)
At the tape when they're at like the dinner imaginary dinner table She has like huge vegetables like I think at one point she's eating like a kernel of corn and it's like they just built a huge corn cob for her to like sit there with So it's like practically basically it's practical effects they didn't Film her against a green screen and put her they just like built huge oversized sets. So it made her look tiny

Colby Ewert (49:32.142)
You

Eli (49:47.249)
Which I think is really fun it really like CGI wasn't like Used a whole lot at this point. It was around It was like starting to get some more traction, but it wasn't like super like it wasn't used a ton yet, so I think Spielberg actually like changes that with Jurassic Park

which is what we'll talk about in a couple of weeks. yeah, so yeah, it's interesting because Julia, so Julia Roberts and Robin Williams, whenever they're acting against each other, actually like usually aren't acting against each other. They're just kind of acting alone. So they're like saying their lines and then like Spielberg were like, say the other person's line because they're not on the same set. They're not even on the same set.

They're on different sets, you know, filming those parts. And then I think for Tinkerbell on like the actual, so on the shots where it's like the actual size, they like use this like glowing light that moved around. So even that was like a mostly practical effect that they used. So I thought that was cool. Robin Williams was talking about how like when Tinkerbell is like,

going around his head really fast. He actually like filmed it. He said he, they filmed it in slow mo and I had to talk like this and look around like she was going around my head. Yeah. And he said, and then they sped it up to make it look like she was going super fast. yeah, I thought that was funny. yeah, it's a lot of fun stuff with this movie. Robin Williams and Dustin Hoffman spent months rehearsing their sword fight.

Colby Ewert (51:23.82)
Really? What the heck?

Colby Ewert (51:29.581)
interesting.

Eli (51:41.833)
choreography. So they actually like, yeah, it was, it really was. and, and they actually did like the vast majority of it themselves, which is really cool. yeah. Well, Robin Williams stunt double and one of the making of things I watched, but it's really hard to get, like a DVD or Blu ray that has like actual special features.

Colby Ewert (51:43.32)
Man, it felt like that was the longest fight. It was so long. It's crazy.

Colby Ewert (51:55.512)
Wow, that's amazing.

Eli (52:11.803)
on it. And so I had to like find really bad versions of like the making of stuff on YouTube. but you can find it, but, his William stunt double was talking about how, like, he really only did like the very most physical stuff. He was saying like, you know, Robin does, he does like the vast majority of like the flying around on the re the cable rigs. He does the vast majority of his own, like sword fighting and stuff.

Colby Ewert (52:17.698)
Mm

Eli (52:41.899)
and you know, so the stunt double really didn't have a lot of a ton of work to do, I guess. which is, yeah, it's, I thought that was really cool. I was like, yeah. Respect, respect Robin, you know? yeah. He, yeah. And Williams was talking about how like flying around on the cable rigs was like kind of scary at first, but then like, once you kind of get over that fear and you're like, okay, I'm not falling.

Colby Ewert (52:49.41)
Yeah, he does his own stunts. Yeah, I'm impressed.

Eli (53:10.867)
I'm hooked into a cable. It's like, okay, I'm going to do some flips and I'm going to like swoop down. And he's, he said it was a lot of fun flying around. but yeah, it's, it's interesting. The, seems like that last, like big battle. I almost like would want to be a fly on the wall for like shooting all that stuff because there is like, it's chaos. It's.

Colby Ewert (53:36.45)
Yeah.

Colby Ewert (53:40.118)
It's wild.

Eli (53:40.511)
It's wild. It's like, yeah, I wonder how they like got any like usable shots for that whole battle. Cause for one thing, like you just have a ton of people running around fighting, but on top of that, like half of them are kids. It's like, if, know, if you have kids or have spent any time with kids, you know how difficult it is to like organize like 30 of them in any sort of way.

Colby Ewert (53:47.256)
You

Colby Ewert (54:09.354)
No, that's impossible. Come on now, that's impossible.

Eli (54:09.535)
And so it's like I don't know they You know, there's a lot of people working on these movies. So I guess they have like a troop of people helping the kids like stay in line, but Yeah, yeah, so Yeah, yeah same Yeah, one of the special effects guys was talking about they had like

Colby Ewert (54:24.27)
They would have to or they're not gonna get anything done

I love kids by the way, but you know, they're just crazy.

Eli (54:38.623)
So there's the part where like all the lost boys like swing onto the ship. And, he was saying they had like 32 lines that had them like coming onto the ship in different ways, like swinging down, swinging across, like pulling them from like below. So yeah, it's the, always like love seeing and hearing that stuff. Cause it's just so, it's so interesting and it makes you like respect like.

the both like the effects people and but also just like Spielberg or whoever's directing those scenes like they have to like make sure they get the right shots because you can only like like throw a kid off with a rope like so many times like yeah you got to get the shot right you know so so like to frame it up where it's a good shot and

Colby Ewert (55:28.194)
All right, you just gotta, you gotta, this is a... Right.

Eli (55:37.011)
get their shots is always like super impressive to me. yeah, as far as like cinematography and camera work goes, know, most I don't think this is like a standout movie for me as far as Spielberg goes. But it's like you watch it and you're like, OK, yeah, it's whoever if you didn't know it was Spielberg, you and you like have watched enough movies. You're like, OK, yeah.

whoever shot this movie is really good at with the camera. They know how to like when to zoom in, when to throw in a, catch a wide shot. know when to like, they know where to place exactly where to place the camera to get the best like feeling for whatever they're going for in that scene. And, but the,

A couple of quibbles I did have was, usually, so I usually like point to the Indiana Jones films, because in those films, you always have like a good sense of the geography. And what I mean by that is like, you always have like a good sense of like where you are, if that makes sense. So like Indy may be running this way and you have like some other action going on over here and they're like chasing each other maybe.

And the way that Spielberg like works everything out, you always have a good sense of like where everyone is. and this one, it's so chaotic. It's hard to keep track of like, okay, where, where am I? Yeah. It's just, it's going everywhere. And so that was one thing I was like, man, Spielberg. It's, it's more just a case of like, you've seen like the best. so like,

Colby Ewert (57:16.312)
So chaotic, especially in the fight scenes, going everywhere.

Eli (57:31.667)
When you see something that's like less than his best, you're like, man, he could do so much better than this, if that makes sense. And I saw a little bit of that in this with like, I don't know what's going on. I don't know where I am or what's going on right now. I have no sense of like where I am in this world.

Colby Ewert (57:52.066)
Sometimes I kind of liked it though, because it added to the wonder of the movie almost.

Eli (57:54.589)
Yeah. Maybe, maybe there is a bit of that. Maybe there is a bit of like purpose behind it as like the chaos of the lost boys. Maybe you are supposed to feel a bit like out of place. so yeah, yeah. I mean, that's a good point. Maybe I'm just like nitpicking too much with, with that and not seeing the bigger picture, but, but yeah, the other thing that I thought was like, not that great. And it's another case of like, I've seen better is the

Colby Ewert (58:01.624)
Yeah.

Eli (58:24.029)
So I don't know if you're familiar with using matte paintings when you're making a movie. when you don't have an actual background to film on, these artists will do these huge matte paintings that go back in the background. yeah, so when Peter arrives in Neverland,

Colby Ewert (58:45.42)
I'm gonna look this up while you explain it.

Eli (58:51.243)
like he stands up on a, on a cliff and you look out and you see like all of Neverland. and I just think it doesn't look that great. Like it looks like you're looking at a painting and you're it's, you're not supposed to like, that's not supposed to like stick out whenever you watch these movies with these map paintings. It's you're supposed to like blend in really well. And it just like, is it, I think it was an instance of like,

It kind of took me out of the movie. and instead of like sucking me in more, wasn't like, now he's in Neverland. It's it's, it looks so cool. I was like, that's a painting. You know what I mean? and so I was kind of disappointed with that. the best examples of matte paintings with Spielberg, I think are like temple of doom. So in temple of doom, there was a lot of like cases where they couldn't get

Colby Ewert (59:33.037)
Yeah.

Eli (59:49.341)
the actual like location they wanted. And so they would do matte paintings for the background to give like the feeling of them being on location and that it just looks so good in temple of doom. All of the matte paintings look really incredible. and like blend right into like the set that's in front of them. Yeah. and so it's, it's just a case of like, okay, I've seen him do it like top notch.

Colby Ewert (01:00:08.802)
Yeah, I'm looking at some right now. Wow.

Eli (01:00:18.225)
And then like seeing it in this, feels, it feels, it just felt a little like, man, it's a little lazy. I don't know. but, but yeah, there's, there's some of our nitpicks with the, with the like cinematography for this one. Other than that, like, I guess doing a compliment sandwich here. the, the transitions are like really fun. There's a lot of like fun, like you're, you're, he's like,

Colby Ewert (01:00:25.654)
Okay, hey, I got you.

Eli (01:00:47.635)
Zooms in on a certain thing and then it like transitions to like something that shape to the next scene. There's like a lot of that and I love those kind of transitions. They're really.

Colby Ewert (01:00:53.347)
Yeah.

Colby Ewert (01:00:58.104)
probably my favorite one, just to touch on one really quick. that I really liked. So when they are, when he's kind of like discovering that he's Peter Pan, like remembering it and they're eating and so like everybody else is eating and he, can't use his imagination, but he finally does. And he like the cameras on him and then he shoots it like the, guess like the mashed potatoes or whatever. Yeah. And so

Eli (01:01:00.871)
Yeah, yeah.

Eli (01:01:09.449)
Yeah.

Eli (01:01:15.988)
Mm -hmm.

Eli (01:01:24.584)
Yeah, yeah,

Colby Ewert (01:01:27.586)
That moment, that switch was like a really, really good and cool transition to me. I enjoyed that a lot. It had some shock factor and also just like, it was just good. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it was really, it was really fun. It really brought that whole scene to life having the different color, like potatoes.

Eli (01:01:30.919)
Yeah, yeah, Yeah. yeah, for sure.

Eli (01:01:37.619)
like, it's like all colorful and stuff.

Eli (01:01:45.565)
Yeah. yeah. Yeah. I thought the, thought that that table scene was, was pretty good. it was, there was, there was, there was some like, weird dialogue, like, like, at one point, like I think Thudbutt says, you're playing with us, Peter. And I was like, I don't know. That sounded a little weird.

Colby Ewert (01:01:56.386)
Me too. That's probably my favorite scene actually.

Colby Ewert (01:02:03.917)
Yeah.

Colby Ewert (01:02:11.883)
You

Eli (01:02:15.239)
I don't know why you wrote it that way. But, like out, you wouldn't have thought, I wouldn't have thought that as a kid, but like as an adult watching, I'm like, that sounds a little weird, but okay. We'll roll in with it. the scores is here's my thoughts on the score. It's like, it's not super memorable, but it's just a solid, like John Williams score.

Colby Ewert (01:02:17.752)
All right.

But that's just the part of the movie, it's like they're lost boys man.

Colby Ewert (01:02:26.53)
No.

Colby Ewert (01:02:43.597)
Yeah.

Eli (01:02:44.093)
You know, I don't like, can't like remember any of like the melodies in my head, but like it's definitely like, yeah, John Williams is doing his John Williams thing. No. Yeah. huh. It's not home alone. It's not Indiana Jones. It's not jaws, Harry Potter. yeah. Yeah. It's just, yeah. I will say like,

Colby Ewert (01:02:54.722)
This isn't Home Alone, right? mean, this is the Home Alone is like so iconic. It's like, you know, right? No, right, right. It's just not at that tier.

Eli (01:03:11.775)
One of my things with John Williams is sometimes with his scores, he can be a little bit too forceful with the emotion. And I feel like that happens a little bit here. It's like, he's trying to lead you to an emotion a little bit too hard. and I feel like that's a little bit here, but it wasn't, it wasn't anything where I was like, this is bad. It was just kind of like, yeah. I can see like he's wanting me to feel like this is a really big moment because he's got these big swells going on or whatever.

Colby Ewert (01:03:42.38)
He wants to evoke that emotion.

Eli (01:03:43.488)
Yeah, yeah, sometimes it works though like an ET Like he does that same thing, but it it works a lot better than it does in this one. I think But yeah, I mean it's hard to fairly compare ET and hook I guess But yeah, so they're they're kind of wrapping up it became clear at some point that they couldn't keep

Colby Ewert (01:03:49.164)
No.

Eli (01:04:08.767)
they had like a 76 day shooting schedule and they were not going to keep that. there was a lot, ton of factors. Spielberg was taking his time. He, I have this quote. said, every day I came on the set. I thought is this thing flying out of control? he just like, he didn't have a good clear vision. And so he was really like taking his time and trying to like figure it out. And then Hoffman was like one of those like perfectionist actors.

And so like he, you know, I already mentioned Spielberg said they would take like four to five days before they were like ready to shoot a scene with Hoffman. And, and then like, he was like always wanting to do more takes, like wanting to try different approaches. Julia Roberts was like, she had some struggles with like some private life stuff and just like rising fame in general. And she there, apparently she was like calling in sick a lot.

Colby Ewert (01:04:46.498)
Wow, that's crazy.

Eli (01:05:07.463)
Yeah, so just a lot of factors like the law. Obviously you're working with a bunch of like kid actors with the Lost Boys and they can become more and more unmanageable and having to do a lot of like re shooting with with that. I'm sure we talked about that a little bit. And then like there's just a bunch of celebrities showing up on set because it's a big spectacle movie and so they just want to come check it out.

So it's just a lot of stuff. so it ends up, they finally finished shooting, but they were like 40 days over schedule. So, so yeah, they finished shooting. Yeah. Yeah. That's the procrastinating. That's, that's me for sure. but yeah, so they finished shooting in August, early August, and then yeah, it's released December 11th of the same year. Imagine that. Yeah.

Colby Ewert (01:05:41.871)
my gosh, wow.

Sounds like me with deadlines.

Colby Ewert (01:06:01.816)
so crazy. That's so crazy.

Eli (01:06:04.671)
There was, so at the time there were rumors that Sony was going to have trouble breaking even on this one. I think some critics had seen it and it, talk a little bit about that, in a second, but, you know, not great reviews at a slow first week. but it, it really picked up and then they released it internationally and it ended up making three, a little over 300 million worldwide. So yeah.

Colby Ewert (01:06:32.248)
Wow, godly.

Eli (01:06:33.471)
The initially had a budget of 48 million. but it ended up, think, costing at about 70 and, you know, I think the initial budget was based on the original, like director and stuff. And then once you bring on like Robin Williams and Dustin Hoffman and Steven Spielberg, your budget's going to go up. so yeah, it took them a while, I guess to make their money, but they did make their money back.

Colby Ewert (01:06:50.712)
Alright.

Eli (01:07:01.855)
And more, sure. Yeah. so it, definitely was a decent financial, not a lot. didn't make as much money as they, that they were hoping or thinking it might make. and so, I mean, when you have a Peter Pan adaptation directed by Steven Spielberg, you know, you, you might can expect like, I don't know, five, six, 700 million, but yeah, 300 million still, still a good return.

Colby Ewert (01:07:03.27)
Yeah, and then some,

Eli (01:07:32.607)
Yeah, it as far as reception goes, it was not received well by the press. Yeah. And in fact, yeah, in fact, I read that it was possibly the worst reviews of his career to date, which that surprised me because I've seen the movies 1941 and always, and those movies are way worse than this movie. But yeah, the criticism just centered around a weak script.

Colby Ewert (01:07:38.636)
Wow. I would have never guessed that.

Eli (01:08:02.571)
a lot of people talked about like the inability of it to transcend the gimmick of the premise. And I think it just, they, I think by that, they just kind of mean like, it's like, Hey, what if the gimmick is, you know, what if hook survives and Peter's old and now he has kids and captain hook takes them. And that's like the gimmick of the movie. And I think a lot of the people are like, it doesn't really do anything with that to like make it.

anything more than just like a premise of a movie. Yeah, it got a lot of hate by the critics. This guy, Kenneth Turan, said that Spielberg was so aware of the failure that he drug his feet into Neverland, which he considered the worst part of the film. And this is a quote from him. said for

Colby Ewert (01:08:42.914)
That's so crazy.

Eli (01:09:00.445)
Very much like Peter, it has clearly gotten harder for this director to break free of the allure of material things and believe in simple magic. It was like, oof, geez.

Colby Ewert (01:09:11.32)
So he said he's relying too much on like

Eli (01:09:14.31)
Yeah, it's kind of like, he's, he's losing like the, the childhood, like magic and stuff of that, of his earlier career movies, I think is kind of what he's saying. but just like maturing and losing that sense of like childhood wonder maybe. yeah, a lot of actors, kind of got, even Robin Williams, like they didn't get like that great reviews out of this.

But, with all of the qualms of the critics, young viewers still really enjoyed this movie as just a good adventure movie, which makes sense. You know, I think that's why a lot of people like my age and, maybe a little younger, like really like still have a lot of nostalgia for this movie because it was just like a fun, I guess, adventure movie for them. then, and I think there's like a degree to which it's like, yeah, that's fine.

Like it's fine to just enjoy a movie because you think it's fun, you know? So yeah, the VH sells for this movie really made for a comfy bottom line as far as like the return on the money. You know, a lot of parents buy and hook on VHS for their kids.

Colby Ewert (01:10:18.282)
Absolutely.

Colby Ewert (01:10:27.469)
Right.

Colby Ewert (01:10:32.728)
That's why I'm shocked I haven't seen it. Because I had a lot of movies growing up.

Eli (01:10:34.472)
Yeah.

Yeah, it does. And it, and it's like, feels like for a Disney family, like the hook would be one of the ones you do.

Colby Ewert (01:10:42.732)
Yeah, no, no, totally. It's definitely something that slipped through the cracks and I have no idea how I had not seen it.

Eli (01:10:50.311)
Well, you know, we, can maybe change that, for your family in the future. hookle. Yeah. yeah. My, my son Ezekiel has been like, he's seen like the blue ray, laying around and he's like, what is this movie? And like, even though he already knows he's like, is it hook? Like, yeah. He's like interested in, you know, he's a pirate and it's Peter Pan. And so he's like,

Colby Ewert (01:10:56.834)
Yeah, yeah, definitely. I'm definitely gonna show them hook.

Colby Ewert (01:11:16.588)
Yeah.

Eli (01:11:19.793)
Interested in it and I'm like, you're not quite old enough for this one yet. Maybe you can watch the old one the Disney version first Yeah Yeah, this one did it did get some Oscar nominations So it got nominated it got five got nominated for art direction slash set decoration for costume design for the visual effects for the makeup

Colby Ewert (01:11:27.106)
Right, Disney one right now.

Colby Ewert (01:11:36.039)
nice.

Eli (01:11:49.663)
And then for original song, the song when you're alone, which I think is the one that, what's the, daughter's name, Maggie is, is that the daughter's name? I think that's the song she sings when all the pirates are like, it's so wonderful. but I don't even remember how that song goes. No, it's, it's not. And it's only like, it doesn't even feel like a full song. It's only like 30 seconds.

Colby Ewert (01:12:00.098)
Yes.

Colby Ewert (01:12:07.395)
Yeah.

That's not a very memorable song for me.

Colby Ewert (01:12:16.716)
Yeah, it's like maybe four or five lines.

Eli (01:12:19.007)
Yeah. but Hey, it got nominated. you know, but yeah, it didn't win any of those, but it did get those five nominations. It was very lucrative for Spielberg, Williams and Hoffman. they didn't take a salary for the movie, but I guess like in their contract, they agreed. So basically the way it worked was they, those three split 40%.

Of the gross revenue from the first 50 million, which comes out to $20 million. So they're splitting that $20 million. And then TriStar pictures kept the next 70 million. And then after that 70 million, the, earned 40 % of the profits earned after that. So I was thinking about it. Yeah. So they already made 20 million off the first 50. And so 50 and 70 is 120.

Colby Ewert (01:13:08.726)
So they made a lot of money.

Eli (01:13:16.159)
So then you still have like 180 million that they're making 40 % off of and splitting. So I'm not going to do the math right now, but that's a lot of money. Yes. man. So yeah. man, that's a lot of money. Like you're set, dude.

Colby Ewert (01:13:23.555)
Wow.

Colby Ewert (01:13:31.495)
yeah, they're making a killing.

Colby Ewert (01:13:37.87)
especially back then too. In 91? Yeah, that's a crazy amount of money in 91.

Eli (01:13:43.263)
You're set. Now I now I've got to do it. I'm pulling up the calculator. So 180 times 0 .4. So that's 72 million. I don't know if it's an even split, but let's say it's an even split. So they they're making 24 million each. And then the 20 million they made. So they're making 30 million over $30 million each if they're splitting it evenly.

Colby Ewert (01:13:47.118)
You

Colby Ewert (01:13:53.648)
my gosh.

my goodness.

Colby Ewert (01:14:09.57)
Gosh. Could you imagine? Could you imagine? That's like you're a billionaire back then.

Eli (01:14:12.511)
off of a car, in 1991.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it sounds like a good salary to me. I would take it if, if anyone, if anyone's like got it laying around and, know, feels like donating to the podcast, know, man. yeah. So that's, that's, you know, that's the story of hook and it being made and them coming out.

Colby Ewert (01:14:27.266)
Same. my gosh.

Colby Ewert (01:14:35.15)
Please.

Eli (01:14:47.835)
On the other side of bad criticism and making a lot of money. yeah, let's, let's move into some like key points of this movie. And I think you'll think this is interesting, Colby. So, because I, it seems like you really enjoyed the movie. And so, yeah. So the, the critics at the time didn't go for it. And despite the finance, you know, his

Colby Ewert (01:15:08.416)
I did, yeah, I really did like it.

Eli (01:15:16.991)
huge financial return, Steven Spielberg kind of was left with a bitter taste in his mouth himself. This is a quote from 2018, so almost 30 years later in an interview, Spielberg said, quote, I felt like a fish out of water. I didn't have confidence in the script. I didn't even know what I was doing and I tried to paint over my insecurity with production value. The more insecure I felt about it, the bigger and more colorful the sets became.

unquote. And so Spielberg, like in hindsight, looking back on it, really feels like this movie was just like kind of a mess for him. He's like very insecure about it. and it, it kind of, I can't remember what it seems like. it was, so I have a couple of resources, that I use.

books that I use, and I think it was the Molly Haskell book, which is called Spielberg, Steven Spielberg, a life in film. And, I think the way she put it was that instead of a crowning achievement, felt like a point of no return. And so if you've been following through the series, you, kind of know that like. Spielberg's been on a downturn of his career coming out of the eighties. And so like this kind of felt like the final, like points in that.

kind of downturn. and he said, this is another thing he said about it. he said, quote, I still don't like that movie. I'm hoping someday I'll see it again. And perhaps like some of it. so, so spill. So, yeah. So Spielberg like looks back and like, I don't know. I guess like,

Colby Ewert (01:16:55.48)
Dude, what the heck? That's so... That's so weird!

Eli (01:17:06.705)
It's, different, like someone just watching the movie and then someone that's like a part of it and looking back on it. And like for him, it was an experience where he was never really sure exactly what he was trying to do. he, he wasn't confident in the script. he, he like pumped it full of production value, which, know, honestly is probably like, so for me, I think the production value is probably the best part of the movie. Like.

the sets and like the, the like, yeah. Yeah. So that part, think, yeah, that comes across, but yeah, he, he really like looks back and isn't sure what he thinks about it.

Colby Ewert (01:17:35.629)
Yeah.

They did it right. They did everything right.

Colby Ewert (01:17:49.964)
You know what this reminds me of? This reminds me of every time that I draft a fantasy team and I hate it. Because I just want to do better. Like literally every time I draft a team I'm like, I just don't really like this team. Like, give me another team. So.

Eli (01:17:52.402)
Yeah, what is it?

Eli (01:18:00.181)
Yeah.

Eli (01:18:05.171)
Yeah. Yeah, I think in our fantasy football leagues, Colby is notorious for, we finish a draft and he immediately says like, I hate my team.

Colby Ewert (01:18:18.796)
It's just, it's hard for me to, it's hard.

Eli (01:18:21.907)
Yeah. So you can relate to Spielberg, I guess a little bit here. yeah, you, you, obviously you disagree with him. You think it was a good movie. what were, what were, what was like some of the standout things that, that you really liked about it.

Colby Ewert (01:18:33.666)
Yeah, I loved it.

Colby Ewert (01:18:41.666)
Yeah, so I mean, I love the, I'm a sucker for any, I think like father son type. Yeah, just cause I'm real close with my dad. love my dad. So like it just, it just hits me in the feels, man. Like it's just the way that like he just wanted his dad to, to hang out with them, you know, and to be there for him. And then at the end when our guests is not necessarily the end, but when he, when the dad finally watches the

Eli (01:18:47.455)
Sure.

Eli (01:19:01.737)
Sure.

Colby Ewert (01:19:11.052)
the son play, you know? Yeah, and it's like, yeah, and then he kind of like realizes that he's thinking of his happy thought. He's like when he became a dad, like, I don't know, like, that is just so that just hits your heartstrings.

Eli (01:19:12.187)
Yeah, yeah, yeah with the pirates or whatever

Eli (01:19:23.783)
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's cool. It's. So I don't I don't want to burst your bubble. I. No, no, no, yeah. So that is all that is all right there on the screen. Here's my issue. This is it's not an issue, maybe with the movie. I think the issue is like with me and it's when when something is like so obvious, sometimes like.

Colby Ewert (01:19:31.95)
Does that not, does that not what it meant?

Colby Ewert (01:19:51.223)
Yeah.

Eli (01:19:53.733)
It skips like all the emotions and it's like it, I don't know. It doesn't hit my emotions like it should. And so like, think I really relate to Spielberg his like lack of confidence in the script because I think so many of like the emotional stuff and the dialogue is so like on the nose and like, instead of like showing you

Colby Ewert (01:20:03.714)
Yeah.

Eli (01:20:23.613)
What you should feel it just like the characters just straight up tell you the theme of the theme of the movie. And I don't know. There's something about like, if the characters are literally like telling me what the theme of the movie is, I just like, it doesn't hit emotionally for me. and that's like a personal thing. like you, like for you that it, the dialogue and like the stuff like works and that's

Colby Ewert (01:20:28.536)
That is true.

Colby Ewert (01:20:51.181)
Yeah.

Eli (01:20:53.129)
That's great. That's a cool thing about movies is different movies work for different people.

Colby Ewert (01:20:54.039)
It did, it really did.

Colby Ewert (01:20:59.68)
Mm -hmm this I think this is what I'm when I'm not a cinephile comes in cuz I I don't really think of stuff like that But I see what you're saying when it when you're talking about like it's on the nose because it is on the nose like you're right They do kind of lay it all out there for you. You're kind of picking it up pretty easily. So

Eli (01:21:04.925)
Hell yeah.

Eli (01:21:10.13)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Eli (01:21:18.92)
Yeah. And it's, it's not like, the way you see it is wrong or the way I see it as wrong. It's just kind of like different perspectives, but, but yeah, it's, I don't know. And it's not like I'm thinking about that necessarily while I'm watching it. It's more like, okay, like why didn't this work for me? Like in hindsight kind of thinking back, I'm like, well, they kind of just like kept telling me exactly like the theme they're trying to like teach, teach about or explore.

Colby Ewert (01:21:26.595)
Mm.

Eli (01:21:46.591)
And I'm like, I want to figure that out with the characters, not have the characters tell me explicitly what I'm supposed to think. And so I think that's like, when I was reading what the critics were saying at the time, was like, I can kind of relate to what they're feeling about the movie. One of the biggest things was the weak script.

Eli (01:22:15.483)
I can definitely see that. It's not like, it's not the character. It's not the, the performances, cause the performances are all good. It's not the camera work. Cause all like the camera work is good. It's not the production. Cause like the sets are amazing. It's just like the, I don't know the writing, I guess it's just off. It didn't work for me personally. so that, I think that was my biggest, like,

the downfall of the movie for me was like, I don't know. just didn't like the way it was written, I guess. So I was kind of, I was disappointed because I really wanted to like love this movie and it just kind of like ends up ended up coming out like kind of a middling movie for me. Like I didn't think it was bad, but I didn't think it was like fantastic. So when you texted me earlier and you're like, I'm excited. I really love this. I was like, okay, sweet. At least one of us is going to like,

Colby Ewert (01:23:04.099)
Mm

Colby Ewert (01:23:11.118)
Yeah, I did like it. I really did.

Eli (01:23:11.763)
fight for this movie. Yeah. Yeah. So let's do this. Let's so some of the Spielberg, I like to hit on like Spielberg distinctives and I guess so those are like things that like I keep seeing over and over again in Spielberg movies. Spielberg loves silhouettes that dude loves.

Colby Ewert (01:23:28.014)
Okay.

Eli (01:23:38.483)
having a good silhouette, probably like the Indiana Jones ones are the most iconic, but.

Colby Ewert (01:23:42.018)
Yeah, definitely. was, that's, as you said it, that's where my mind went.

Eli (01:23:47.185)
Yes, exactly. But if you, if you watch enough Steven Spielberg movies, you, you're going to see a S like a silhouette somewhere in the movie of a character. so like in this one, like toodles or it's either toodles or Peter, like the windows open. think it's toodles when their hook is coming to get the kids and there's like the green glow and he, like runs in there and his silhouette is up against the thing.

Colby Ewert (01:24:11.628)
Yeah, I think so.

Eli (01:24:18.132)
Another thing that Spielberg always does is he does this really cool thing and I look for it. I've started looking I noticed it in In his first couple of movies and so like I've been looking for it in every movie since and I don't think there's a single movie where he doesn't do it he'll like have the camera pointed up and the instead of like it's this technique where instead of like

zooming in on a character space for a close up, the character will like actually like step into the frame and they'll be like up close to the camera. So they like, they're kind of like stepping into a close up, if that makes sense. and I just, think it's a really cool way of like showing like where you are and then having the character like step into the camera and already being close up. just, I just really like it. So it's like a Spielberg thing that I look for in all of his movies.

Colby Ewert (01:24:56.462)
Mm

Eli (01:25:15.344)
And then there's a lot of shadows stuff like so One of the most probably notorious shadows shots Spielberg does is the color purple. It's like the it's on the the poster for the movie And so Peter Pan just like makes for I mean the shadows is a part of the story and so It's it was it was fun to see him

use like the shadows in this movie for Peter Pan. Was there... So I'll say this. Probably my favorite shot of the movie deals with shadows. And so it's the it's part of the sword fight at the end. And there's this like kind of shot looking up. It's like the Lost Boys are over here.

Colby Ewert (01:25:57.806)
Okay.

Eli (01:26:08.751)
on the side and it's a shot like looking up at the wall and you see like the shadow of Peter Pan and hook fighting up huge on the wall. And then they're and then and then they move into the frame fighting like not shadows, but like their actual selves. I just really thought that was like it happened and it was one of those where like I was like, that was cool. You know, there you see their shadows and when they come on. Yeah.

Colby Ewert (01:26:16.478)
Mm -hmm. Yeah, that is a cool scene.

Colby Ewert (01:26:32.93)
Yeah, that whole fight scene is really cool. Just all of it. It's fun to watch.

Eli (01:26:38.119)
Yeah, it's really well choreographed. I was surprised by how like good it looked and how fun it was. And that was like my favorite part of it. Well, that was my favorite. you know, if you're just like really cool shots. Yeah. Was there any like shots or like images that like stick out in your head from the movie, like that you, you saw and you're like, that was really cool or that was really fun or anything like that.

Colby Ewert (01:27:06.094)
I liked their home actually There's No, not the loss was I like their home too, but like even like the The home yeah the London home. So I just like that style of building and then like the inside it's like I guess Victorian maybe you could say and just I love the the kids rooms and it's like it just reminded me of I don't know just like that's how like

Eli (01:27:09.597)
Yeah, yeah. The Lost Boys home. the, the London home.

Eli (01:27:21.448)
Yeah, yeah.

Eli (01:27:25.929)
Sure.

Eli (01:27:29.288)
Mm -hmm.

Colby Ewert (01:27:36.48)
even like my Mimi's place would look sometimes. And so it's like, I just stuff like that.

Eli (01:27:39.945)
Sure. Yeah, yeah. Kind of like made you nostalgic, I guess, like in a way. Yeah. Yeah, that's cool. I'm glad you brought that up because I've been talking so much about the, you know, the Neverland sets. But yeah, the sets for the home are like really good too. Like they're very like homey feeling and yeah, the kids room is like

Colby Ewert (01:27:45.356)
Yeah, yeah, definitely a little nostalgic. So I like those low sets too.

Colby Ewert (01:28:02.68)
Mm

Eli (01:28:09.255)
It's kind of like symmetrical and like really interesting with the like the window in the middle. So like, you know, whenever you're shooting into the room, like the windows, like front and center, and that's where like all the action is going to happen. So it's like really well set up. Yeah. Yeah, that's cool. I wasn't even thinking about those sets, but you're right for sure. yeah, we we've, man, I really thought think that

If the sets weren't this great, the movie would have like plummeted in my estimation.

Colby Ewert (01:28:43.058)
Yeah, that. No, yeah, I think I think that's fair, just because the sets are probably and I make sense why that's kind of what the actors were saying that they were just amazing because they really are breathtaking and they were so immersive the entire time.

Eli (01:28:56.807)
Yeah Yeah, I would I would definitely visit like If they like were able to like transport these old sets to like a theme park like I would love to explore that Yeah, yeah were there any what about like your favorite maybe like A scene did you have a favorite scene in the movie? you had mentioned the

Colby Ewert (01:29:08.286)
Yeah, no, that would be so cool.

Colby Ewert (01:29:24.878)
Definitely my favorite scene is the table scene. Just because when they were all eating, they were just very... It was cute, first of all. It was just fun to watch. And also, I love the scenes of him discovering that he's Peter Pan, I guess you could say, or remembering it. And he would start to fly and stuff. They were just fun scenes to watch.

Eli (01:29:26.611)
the table scene. Okay.

Eli (01:29:36.029)
Yeah, yeah.

Eli (01:29:45.128)
Yeah.

Eli (01:29:51.025)
Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think, my favorite part of that is actually like when they start like the, the insult battle. I don't know. I just thought it was really, it's, kind of like brought some like middle school boy out of me, you know, like laughing at really like, like vulgar, but not explicit name calling.

Colby Ewert (01:30:01.816)
Yeah.

Eli (01:30:21.024)
It's just really fun. I mean anytime you're like Coming up with insults with your friends. It's a good time, you know, so

Colby Ewert (01:30:28.034)
Right. absolutely. You never know where it's gonna go.

Eli (01:30:33.327)
yeah, I enjoyed that. I did think, I did think that the butts line was weird, but, like I said earlier, but I'll let that, I'll let that go. there was also like, one of the things that I thought was weird about the movie was like every once in a while there would be this like weird sexual thing going on. The mermaids was weird.

Colby Ewert (01:30:43.02)
Yeah, yeah that was a little weird.

Colby Ewert (01:30:58.592)
Yeah, the Mervids for sure stuck out. But then also the Tinkerbell stuff was weird. That just kind of caught me off guard in general. I think my main complaint about the movie is probably Tinkerbell in general. I don't know. I was not a big fan of Tinkerbell in general.

Eli (01:31:02.633)
I was like, why are they making out with him? Yeah. Yeah.

Eli (01:31:17.703)
Yeah. Yeah. Well, like they try to like, they basically, I think I wrote further down in here. So they, they really like try to force adult feelings for Tinkerbell, like into Tinkerbell for Peter. And like, he can't like, I think the character is maybe incapable of reciprocating that just in and of himself, but even like in the plot, like the, way the

plot is like in the way like just the world of Peter Pan works like Peter Pan can't like reciprocate those feelings so why are you like trying to make Tinkerbell like express these like very adult feelings and like I don't know this is weird very weird I even wrote down in my when I was like taking notes watching the movie there's a part where he's first arriving in Neverland

And there's like flowers that are like coming at him and the flowers like his crotch. almost looks like, I'm like, wrote my notes, flowers, sniffs, crotch, Christian part. Cause I was like, what's going on? Why are the flowers like, what is this? yeah, I did think that was really strange. I did, I'm looking for, I had wrote something, there was a quote, that I,

Colby Ewert (01:32:25.144)
Ha

Eli (01:32:44.351)
I had about yeah it's this guy Henry Sheehan writing about the movie in 1992 going along with like the Tinkerbell stuff it says every Spielberg hero from dual onward is to one extent or another to one extent or another worries that he is failing at something ascent failing at some essentially male role either lover or father

and hook these twin fears are merged in Peter who is plainly a poor father and who less conspicuously wants to retreat from the issue of sex in general. and I was like, that's, that's an interesting point that this guy made was like, he's really encapsulating the two, like masculine fears that Spielberg tends to deal with in his movies in one character and it, but it, the

The problem I think is that it kind of like takes Peter Pan out of its context to be able to do that. Because like the whole premise of the movie kind of takes away the whole point of Peter Pan as like a story. Like having him as a grownup kind of like takes away that fairy tale aspect of like being frozen in time.

that like really kind of all fairy tales have, Peter Pan being one of them, where it's kind of frozen in time. It kind of like, it works. It worked when it was written. It would have worked before it was written and it works now because it's not like tied to a specific like time and a specific like view of masculinity. And this movie kind of loses that.

by taking the story of Peter Pan out of that fairy tale context. And so I don't know. I think that might be a reason that it doesn't totally work for me and for some others. Yeah, I think it's interesting for sure. And it explains why all the sexual stuff is kind of strange.

Colby Ewert (01:34:44.535)
Mm

Colby Ewert (01:35:09.048)
Definitely.

Eli (01:35:09.391)
the Tinkerbell stuff feels like forced and kind of weird. Yeah. Yeah, as far as like the characters goes, I wrote down this quote. I can't, it seems like.

Sometimes I forget to put where I got the quote from. This was either from that Molly high school book that I said earlier, or there's another book called a companion to Steven Spielberg. That's like a collection of essays that I've listened, I've listened to some of those on audio book. And so it might be from that. but those sources will are in the episode description if you want to like look those up. but the, I really liked this quote. says,

Colby Ewert (01:35:45.002)
Mm

Eli (01:35:59.391)
Spielberg's skill at humanizing his characters just enough to draw one in, primarily through the universal nexus of family and childhood, creates a felt reality in which the two -dimensional characters seem out of place. Spielberg's recognition of himself and his workaholic father represented a major shift in sympathy and it was a theme that would play out in Hook.

And so, yeah, just kind of talking about Spielberg having like a skill of like really humanizing his characters. And I think, I don't know, maybe it's just a mixture of like all the stuff we've talked about, but like, I think the script works a little bit against that because instead of like,

you being able to like really empathize with the Peter character. He feels more of like a caricature of like the bad dad and like the bad, the bad dad trying to become a good dad. And like there, think.

Colby Ewert (01:37:01.859)
Yeah.

Colby Ewert (01:37:06.296)
I mean, he like yells super loud at them at one point. It's like, you merely just like hate this guy at first. I'm like, bro, what the heck?

Eli (01:37:08.752)
Yeah.

Eli (01:37:12.871)
Yeah, I know. and it's like, like immediately it's like, the dad, the business dad answering the phone at the, daughter's play. he's, he's going to miss the son's baseball game. Like it's kind of like the classic tropes, for like the bad dad. And, and then just like the dialogue on top of that probably adds to, I don't know. It's just like,

Colby Ewert (01:37:24.44)
Right.

Eli (01:37:39.871)
Spielberg's got his work cut out for him for making you like really like empathize with this guy. but if you can like get past that and like immerse yourself in the world, like, like you were able to do, and obviously many others that love the movie were able to do, you can kind of get past that. I wish I, I wish I would have been able to, but you know, Hey, yeah, it's definitely like, it's definitely pretty clear that

Colby Ewert (01:38:00.066)
Yeah.

Eli (01:38:09.353)
Peter Banning slash Peter Pan is kind of a stand in for Spielberg dealing with his own, like he was a, he was definitely a workaholic. was like making and producing movies nonstop. so dealing with that about himself and then like his father was the same way when he was growing up. So he's kind of like, you know, working through that reconciling like, like I've become so much like my father, like being a workaholic.

Colby Ewert (01:38:23.63)
Mm

Eli (01:38:39.911)
Which is, you know, it's definitely interesting and definitely worth exploring. Yeah. Did that, did that come through well for you in the movie?

Colby Ewert (01:38:51.436)
Yeah, no, totally. And the way that he was acting, you kind of made an enemy out of you immediately. You just reared against him almost. it makes sense that if Spielberg was a workaholic, it's kind of like him projecting himself onto that.

Eli (01:39:04.849)
Yeah, yeah.

Eli (01:39:11.613)
Yeah.

Eli (01:39:15.271)
Mm -hmm, for sure.

Colby Ewert (01:39:21.774)
I need to charge.

My laptop, I to move just for a minute.

Eli (01:39:26.397)
No worries.

Colby Ewert (01:39:35.736)
Sorry about this.

Eli (01:39:35.753)
So good. No worries. It's super easy to cut this part out in post, so it's not a big deal.

Colby Ewert (01:39:51.116)
Yeah, I'm having some.

Colby Ewert (01:39:55.702)
left my charger on accident and it's just a lot left my charger at work so I have to borrow my roommates and it's kind of short yeah so sorry I'm just not gonna have the best lighting for a minute but it's okay

Eli (01:40:07.824)
Okay, gotcha.

Eli (01:40:16.114)
It's all good.

Colby Ewert (01:40:20.148)
All right, I'm back. I'm sorry.

Eli (01:40:21.451)
Dark Colby No, that's all good

Colby Ewert (01:40:35.245)
I'm Brady.

Eli (01:40:36.317)
Yeah, I'm just trying to find where I was. Okay. No, you're good. I'm going to leave a little blank space and then jump back in.

Colby Ewert (01:40:38.04)
Sorry. Apologize.

Eli (01:40:48.401)
Yeah, so, you know, he's yeah, he's definitely working out some of that in this and you know, I do wish it kind of worked a little better for me, but it is what it is. The kids. I don't know. I wish the kids had a little bit more to do in the movie. They kind of like are important at the beginning and then they just like disappear for for a long time. And then you get a few scenes here and there.

with the kids and hook and stuff but yeah yes for sure yeah and jack jack gets more to do than maggie maggie's really just like she's not pretty insignificant of a character yeah and she sings the song that apparently got nominated for an oscar but right

Colby Ewert (01:41:22.484)
Mm -hmm. He was abusing them kids. He was like spreading lies.

Colby Ewert (01:41:35.832)
There.

Yeah, no, she's just there.

Colby Ewert (01:41:44.992)
that I can't even remember. Like legit, I have no idea.

Eli (01:41:47.739)
yeah, for sure. But yeah, I mean, yeah. the one thing that I was like, Ooh, that's actually like pretty good is, as far as like, I guess, like maybe the, the one part that I was like, this is actually like well written and like super like sleazy hook stuff is, where they're like, he's like teaching them about how parents suck. And, he's like,

He says stuff like, he's like asking you them, like why their parents re like read to them. And he's like, it's just a stupefy you to sleep. Cause they're tired of your me, me, me, like want, want, want. And, and he said, he even says like they were happier before you were born. I was like, dang, he's really like, he's really laying it thick. yeah, dude.

Colby Ewert (01:42:36.822)
Yeah, jeez, I know it's crazy. That's what I'm saying, like the abuse bro, like they were definitely pouring it on.

Eli (01:42:46.804)
But yeah, so that was like I think that was as far as like writing goes that might have been like the standout scene to me as far as like this is actually like hook being a good villain and having some like really good lines to like You know lay on how like evil he is, you know I thought that was good But yeah

Colby Ewert (01:43:06.67)
Mm

Colby Ewert (01:43:12.43)
One thing I really liked about Hook's character is I think, and this is really more towards Spielberg, but there was such a buildup in his like reveal. So it was like a full 40 minutes or 45 minutes until Hook even appears. And so, like you see him, his like on the wall at the home, you see his Hook. And then later on, yeah, and then later on you see his Hook again.

Eli (01:43:22.269)
Yeah, yeah.

Eli (01:43:28.631)
huh.

Eli (01:43:34.395)
Yeah, yeah on the window. Yeah

before you see him, yeah.

Colby Ewert (01:43:40.618)
Yeah, and it's just like there's such a build up to his finally like you see and so that's why I saw some credits to Spielberg there. That was pretty cool.

Eli (01:43:43.241)
Mm -hmm.

Yeah, yeah.

Eli (01:43:50.119)
Yeah, it's kind of like an extended version of like that first, ragers of the lost arc. Like you see so much before you finally like see, Indiana Jones for the first time. you even like see his like hat before you see him, kind of that sort of thing. but yeah, yeah. Yeah. You don't even see him. Like the kids just are gone. Like you don't see him actually take the kids, which I think was a smart move to probably,

Colby Ewert (01:43:55.917)
Yeah.

Colby Ewert (01:44:06.444)
Right, it's wild.

Colby Ewert (01:44:18.348)
Yeah, it's just too scary to see all that.

Eli (01:44:19.783)
Yeah. Yeah. Hook too. The other thing I thought was interesting was like, you know, there's when Peter first shows up, Hook like doesn't want to like at first he's like excited to like finally get to kill Peter, Peter Pan. But then he realizes that he's like not the same. And it was interesting who it seems like Spielberg.

was talking about it and he said that Hook was wounded by the fact that there wasn't much difference anymore between him and Peter. Peter had become like very much like him. And so like there wasn't that rivalry anymore. There wasn't that excitement and he was kind of like wounded by that, that Peter Pan had grown up and become like him. Which is, I think out of all of the

Colby Ewert (01:45:11.725)
Mm.

Eli (01:45:16.337)
Interesting things in the movie behind like that that gimmick that idea of the movie I wish they would have like really pressed into that that idea more because to me that is a much more like subversive way to explore like losing your Your like inner child and like trying to like not lose that when you're grown up Because it's the it's It would have had to center more around

the hook character than the Peter character to do that, think. the movie, because, you know, hook being wounded by the fact that Peter is like him. It's like, okay, you, you explore that deeper. It's like, what's going on there? It's kind of like, well, he, Peter was his rival and he wanted to kill him, but it also was like this. You can tell in the Peter Pan story, like

this rivalry has been going on for forever. You know, they've been, they've been at each other for forever. And it's almost like Peter is hook trying to hold on to that inner child part of himself. And so like, hook talks about wanting to kill Peter, but I don't really know if it's true. I don't know. It's kind of almost like, the joker and Batman. It's like, joker doesn't actually want to kill Batman. He just wants to like do the dance forever. You know?

Colby Ewert (01:46:17.656)
Mm.

Colby Ewert (01:46:42.55)
Right. Most to make his life miserable.

Eli (01:46:43.123)
And I think it's like a, yeah, I think it's like a similar thing with Hook. Like Hook is old now. He's not, he doesn't have that childlike wonder like Peter and he so desperately wants it, but can't get it back. And so like, if he were to actually kill Peter, he would like lose any like attachment to that, that who he used to be. so peer banning shows up and

He's supposed to be Peter Pan, but now he's more like hook than he is Peter Pan. and that, like, that was really wounding to hook, but they didn't like lean into that idea. And I think that would have been really interesting to kind of explore that a little more, but it was there just like, they didn't like push it any further than that. but yeah, that's like, that's my, unskilled rewrite of the movie.

Is to center it more on the hook character. it's a, a different movie, maybe if anyone's out there listening and wants to run with that idea, you know, you heard it here first. I'll take my like commission check or whatever. man, but yeah. man, we've touched on a lot of stuff. Was there anything else that like,

Colby Ewert (01:47:45.326)
Hmm.

Colby Ewert (01:47:56.334)
There you go, royalties.

Eli (01:48:10.225)
you really wanted to talk about about this movie.

Colby Ewert (01:48:15.214)
Not necessarily, I mean, I really enjoyed the movie. So I have not rated on Letterboxd yet, but I'm probably gonna give it, in between 3 .5 stars and four stars. So I like the movie, but to give it four stars, I don't know if I can do that. I think I'm gonna go 3 .5.

Eli (01:48:30.313)
Cool, yeah. Yeah.

Eli (01:48:38.589)
Yeah. There's nothing wrong with a solid three and a half stars. Yeah.

Colby Ewert (01:48:42.638)
Yeah, but like if I give it, so my rating system, if I give it a 3 .5, that means I like them pretty much, like pretty well.

Eli (01:48:48.383)
Yeah. Yeah. I'm the same. I'm actually the same way. Usually it gets the little heart. If I give it 3 .5 stars on letterbox. Yeah. I did. Yeah. I did also before we wrap up, want to talk about the weird ending. thought this movie like wrapped up really strangely. Like, so you get, you, you end with Peter, like, waking up in the real world. He's like lying there, you know,

Colby Ewert (01:48:53.762)
Yeah. Right. Right.

Eli (01:49:17.719)
the kids have flown back with Tinkerbell and he wakes up, he's back in London. And at first you have, Bob Hoskins shows up as a street sweeper. you know, the guy that plays me. so like, you're like, okay, is this supposed to be like, it was just a dream. And he was using people that are he's seen in real life, like in his dream to be these pirates or whatever.

And then that would have been weird if that would have been the case. So I was confused as to why Smee was there as a street sweeper.

Colby Ewert (01:49:58.274)
It didn't make any sense, but I think that is one to use Hoskins again.

Eli (01:50:01.637)
Maybe so. because yeah, cause then like Tinkerbell shows up and you have like a weird final interaction with Tinkerbell. yeah.

Colby Ewert (01:50:10.84)
Yeah.

I just wasn't a fan of Tinkerbell in general. That's, I don't know.

Eli (01:50:16.168)
Yeah.

Yeah. So, and then like after that, he like pops up in the window and he's like, never close the window. And I was like, well, that was kind of a really kind of cheesy line. Like it was a call back to earlier, but also like, okay, then he like does the, kisses his wife and throws his phone. And I kind of like, I don't know. I kind of like rolled my eyes at that. Like, okay. Like,

Colby Ewert (01:50:47.542)
Right, yeah, it's, of course.

Eli (01:50:49.939)
And then my favorite part, my favorite, this is the part of the ending that I liked just because it made me like, I don't know if I was laughing with the movie or more at it. doesn't really matter. Cause it made me laugh was like toodles gets his marbles back, his literal marbles and like gets some Tinkerbell dust and like flies off. He's just like, and the, and as the credits start to roll, he's just like, it's just toodles like floating off into the sky, which I was.

I don't know why that was so funny to me, but it's just like, what's going on? Why? Where's, where's toodles going? You know? yeah. And then I don't know. I thought it was the last line was, you know, Peter saying, you know, to live would be awfully an awfully big adventure, which is like a, a reversal of like to die would be an awfully big adventure, which is in the book, original book, that line. And.

Colby Ewert (01:51:26.616)
Alright.

Eli (01:51:46.339)
I Hook says it earlier in the movie or maybe Peter does, I'm not sure. So it's a reversal on that line. And I'm just kind of like, okay, like, well, it's just another like on the nose line. Then I'm like, all right, like, thanks for telling me exactly what I'm supposed to think. But I just, I just thought it was not, I thought it was not a great ending to the movie. I just thought it was weird. was everything was felt off to me.

Colby Ewert (01:52:04.95)
Right, right, no, I mean, I get the gripe.

Eli (01:52:17.684)
But you know, it is what it is. It's it's still I think if I would have like watched this as a kid, I wouldn't have really maybe thought about some of that stuff when I was watching it and probably would still like love it. But you know, it is what it is. But yeah, let's let's kind of I have some final thoughts to share.

I thought it was interesting, come, you know, to, thought it would be interesting to finish out our talk on hook with kind of like Spielberg's transition in life, around this movie. So we've, we've touched around like Spielberg kind of being at a transition point in his career. He's kind of coming into like a dead end per se, or like a kind of like, okay.

what am I going to do now because, you know, I've kind of had a bunch of movies that didn't do as well as I was hoping they were going to do. Where do I go from here? And so he's at this transition point in his career, but he's also like in a actual like real life transition between Amy Irving, who he's still like finalizing his divorce with and Kate Capshaw who he's, you know, she's

living with him now. She comes to the premiere of Hook with him. And like, you know, it's, it's a, it's the woman that he wants to marry next and it really loves. So it's just interesting. think it's an interesting parallel, like his career transition matching up with this, like real life transition, his relational transition and Kate Capshaw who,

If you remember on temple of doom, she's like the main female actress. That's where they, met. so they met on, on, you know, when she worked on temple of doom with them and, yeah. So, and so they, started a relationship. They, they had this, Theo, who was a foster baby from, somewhere in Africa, who they eventually adopted together.

Colby Ewert (01:54:15.593)
really? okay, cool.

Eli (01:54:38.687)
They had their first baby, Sasha together born in 1990. that was Spielberg's first daughter. And then, and then around that time too, Kate Capshaw converted to Judaism. and it, it like all the biography stuff you read is like, was, it was like a real genuine conversion. She like, knew that, you know, she was in a relationship with Spielberg. She knew that he, was Jewish.

And, she just like looked in, was looking into like the faith and was really drawn to like the emphasis on family and, and all that. And so she had a genuine like conversion to, Judaism and, really starts to push Spielberg to embrace his Judaism and to be more like philanthropic with all of the money he's making. and,

So they finally got married in 1992. the year after this, movie came out. And I really think just like kind of wrapping up this transition point in his career and his relationship, I think, I don't know, this is just me speculating that like Kate Capshaw was just a huge stable force in Spielberg's life that even though he was like experiencing maybe like

some disappointments in his career. She like really pushed him in his personal life to like press forward, and mature even, and like become a better father and a better husband. And, yeah, I think she like really like pushed him into the next phase of his career because, and 93, he has like the biggest year of his career.

Jurassic Park and Shinra's List come out. Those are the next two movies we have coming up and they're two of his biggest movies and most successful movies. I don't know. I was just kind of thinking about, sometimes I like to pull out a little like life lesson and, I don't know. I just, it just was, had me thinking about how like, man, I wonder like, if he would have like made it through that transition and, and moved into like a new like,

Colby Ewert (01:56:50.882)
Yeah.

Eli (01:57:05.809)
super successful phase of his career if he didn't have that stability of like someone who just like Loved him and wanted to see him succeed like really pushing him behind the scenes I don't know. It just made me think about like made me grateful for my wife and you know my family and friends that like love me and want to see me succeed and You know, so, you know if you're out there like surround your people yourself with people that like

Colby Ewert (01:57:25.674)
Amen. Absolutely.

Eli (01:57:34.491)
love you and want to see you like grow as a person and succeed. cause I really think like just following Spielberg's career and his life through this series, I really think like Kate Capshaw was a huge, know, they're still married and have a bunch of kids. And I think she was just a huge, like boost for, for him just personally. And then because of that, his career like followed Sue. So yeah, that's kind of my.

My final thought take away from coming out of this movie and yeah. Yeah. That's it. I, know, Kobe Colby already shared his rating. You got, he's, he's throwing a solid three point, 3 .5 on it. I am still like, I'm teetering between like a two and a half and three star for this one. I, the three stars.

Colby Ewert (01:58:17.934)
3 .5, I feel good about it.

Colby Ewert (01:58:27.886)
Okay, I respect it though.

Eli (01:58:33.171)
Like if I, if I threw, if I eventually throw this three star on there, it's just because like, it's still pretty fun. And there's like some good performances, the production and like this, the sets are like incredible. so like all that stuff, like makes up a lot of ground. I, I'm, I'm still not a huge fan. Like it didn't hit me emotionally. unfortunately, and that's usually that plays

heavier into my ratings than like the like cinematography or like how good the acting was. Usually like the emotional impact and how like the how it all comes across to me and makes me feel I usually weigh that a little bit more. So I don't know. It might end up a two and a half. It might end up a three. We'll have to see. But definitely not one of my favorite Spielberg's definitely.

further down the list. So yeah. Yeah, I think we're done with Hook. I we're, I don't know. I don't have anything left to say about it. Do you have any final thoughts? Colby really enjoyed it? Yeah.

Colby Ewert (01:59:44.95)
not me either. mean, final thoughts. I enjoyed. Yeah, I did. I enjoyed it. I thought it was a lot of fun. I loved Robin Williams. it does make me. Yeah, it does make me sad that he ended up, you know, doing what he did because it's just so unthinkable. It's so sad, but, now every time I watch a movie like with him in and I'm like, I always kind of think of that. And I'm like, you know, it's just kind of a bummer, but.

Eli (01:59:56.787)
Robin Williams is great. Yeah.

Man.

Eli (02:00:05.511)
Yeah, it's unfortunate.

Eli (02:00:12.007)
Yeah. And I have some movies that I want to see that I haven't seen of his. So, I might do that in the near future. yeah. yeah. Robin Williams is great. I enjoyed it. It seems like I enjoyed Hoffman more than you. That's what I guess that's one thing. yeah. Tim Curry. Yeah. Yeah.

Colby Ewert (02:00:19.618)
Hmm, need to. Need to, he's great.

Colby Ewert (02:00:34.476)
Yeah, well, I liked Hoffman. just, when you brought up the other guy, Dave Curry dude, I kinda got excited. Cause I think he would've been really funny.

Eli (02:00:44.031)
Man, yeah, that would have been good. Yeah, think he could have, he's pretty, he has the evil vibe in Home Alone 2, so he could have pulled off the villain. Yeah, so well, I guess that, I guess we can share, give a, I guess like a pull into our next episode, because Colby's gonna join me again next week.

Colby Ewert (02:00:53.782)
I know, think I've been perfect.

Eli (02:01:12.115)
to do a Disney Villains draft. Colby is a Disney man. He loves Disney. so I'll hook, while this isn't a Disney movie, Hook is a Disney villain, because he's in the Disney movie, Peter Pan. And so I was like, what better thing to do to connect with this movie than do a Disney Villains draft with my man Colby? So that's what we're going to do next week. You can look forward to that. And then the week after that, of course, we'll be jumping into Jurassic.

Colby Ewert (02:01:17.494)
I am.

Colby Ewert (02:01:31.968)
I love it. I think it's perfect.

Eli (02:01:41.599)
Park. Really excited about that episode. So yeah, that's what you have look forward to the next couple of weeks. Colby, why don't you share where people can follow you? Hit us up with that Instagram, the letterbox, whatever you want to share.

Colby Ewert (02:01:52.597)
Yeah,

Colby Ewert (02:01:56.62)
Yeah, so my letterbox is, I just think it's Colby Ewert. And then definitely follow me on Instagram if you want, I'll follow back. Colby Tradespins, because I still use that account. I just don't use it super often. But I talk about Disney over there. Yeah, that's pretty much it.

Eli (02:02:01.289)
Yeah.

Eli (02:02:14.355)
Mm

Eli (02:02:20.399)
Cool. Yeah, and I'll make sure to link those in the episode description so people can can find that easily. Yeah, sweet. It's been fun talking about Hook with you. Looking forward to the Disney villain draft. But that is all we have for today. For Colby Ewart, I've been Eli Price and you've been listening to The Establishing Shot. We will see you next time.

Colby Ewert (02:02:25.784)
Sweet.

Colby Ewert (02:02:49.23)
Great.