Interstellar (w/ Sam Camp)

Eli Price (00:03.567)
Hey, welcome to the Establishing Shot podcast where we do deep dives into directors and their filmographies. I'm Eli Price here today on episode 25 of the podcast. Getting closer and closer to the end of our Christopher Nolan series. Going through all the films of Christopher Nolan and we do deep dives and so that's what we've been doing. But yeah.

I'm here with Sam Camp today to talk interstellar. Sam, how are you doing today?

Sam (00:40.783)
Doing good. A little under the weather as I think you are as well, but hanging in there. So I think there's a light at the end of this sick tunnel.

Eli Price (00:42.649)
Yeah, yeah.

Yes. Yo.

Yeah. I, um, I have, uh, I'm at the stage where like, there's just kind of the stuff back in the, in the back of your sinuses. And so, uh, I'm waiting for that to, to make its way out. And, uh, yeah, hopefully, hopefully our voices hold up for, for this talk. You know, maybe we won't, um, maybe it won't be as like massive of a podcast as interstellar is a movie. So,

Sam (01:00.183)
Yeah.

Sam (01:18.037)
We'll try and be brief.

Eli Price (01:19.563)
Yeah. Um, but yeah, I'm, I'm excited to, to dig into interstellar. Um, Sam, uh, has been with us before. I believe he, uh, joined us for the Darjeeling limited episode. If I'm not mistaken, um, back in our West series. Yeah. Uh, but Sam, um, Sam works, uh, he's over in the great state of Georgia, which is where I'm from and, uh, that's where I met Sam, but, um,

Sam (01:32.978)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Happy to be back. Yeah.

Eli Price (01:48.983)
Yeah, he's, uh, works with black to be ministries and, um, and, uh, the collision, which is, uh, if I'm not, the collision is kind of part of, uh, a branch of black to be ministries. If I'm not mistaken. Yeah. Um, yeah, the collision kind of, uh, about like Christianity and culture and, and the collision where they meet, uh, working over there with, um,

Sam (02:01.054)
Yeah, it's, yeah, yeah it is.

Sam (02:14.463)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:17.467)
Daniel Blackaby. So yeah, do you have any news of what y'all have been up to over at The Collision?

Sam (02:26.31)
Um, we've been reviewing a lot of, uh, interesting shows lately. Um, I, by we, I mean, uh, Daniel, I, I mostly just film them and, uh, you know, issue snide remarks from behind the camera, uh, that I edit out later. But, uh, yeah, it's, it's been, it's been good. We've, we've, uh, talked to some interesting people as well. We've had the opportunity to have like a few. Like.

Eli Price (02:44.612)
Yeah.

Sam (02:56.494)
people on who have created shows or movies. And so that's been kind of interesting to, you know, getting to hear from people who've made stuff, especially from like a Christian perspective. And, you know, you can't, you can't grill people too much because we usually give like Christian movies a pretty hard time in our reviews and stuff, but it's also...

Eli Price (03:02.023)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (03:21.655)
Yeah, yeah.

Sam (03:25.654)
really cool to just sit down and talk with people who are making some of those and just sort of see where they're coming from. And so that's been really neat getting to have those opportunities. And we just continue to grow pretty steadily, a lot of written content that we do as well. And our fourth volume of like sort of an anthology that we've...

Eli Price (03:33.487)
Mm-hmm.

Sam (03:53.966)
try and publish every year of kind of articles from the past year, we just put into a book. And that's, we've just wrapped up the production on that. And so hopefully that'll be coming out soon.

Eli Price (03:59.892)
Okay

Eli Price (04:04.935)
Great. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, I'll make sure to link the Collision website in the show notes and maybe the YouTube channel, I think is where y'all, that's where y'all focus is YouTube, right?

Sam (04:19.057)
Yeah.

Yeah, as far as video content goes, it's, you know, all of our reviews are typically, uh, we filmed them and then Daniel also writes, uh, just as a written review and all that's it like the collision.org. And then it's just our YouTube channel for, um, for other collision stuff. And, and we do a, well, we have been doing a, uh, a weekly live stream. Uh, we've taken a few weeks off, uh, lately, but, um, just where we kind of

Eli Price (04:23.794)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (04:33.03)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Sam (04:50.73)
digest what's happening in pop culture. And so that's a lot of fun. Yeah. We have a good time.

Eli Price (04:53.403)
Yeah. I've, I've definitely, I've tuned in for, for some of those and, yeah, I've always enjoyed them. So, but yeah, you, you shared last time kind of your, introduction to, you know, film and, and growing to love film more. And so we won't, we won't make the listeners listen to that again, but, but yeah, you can.

Sam (05:17.706)
Yeah, once is enough, I think. Well, you know, they've endured enough already.

Eli Price (05:21.467)
You can go back and listen to that episode for that. Uh, if you're interested in that, uh, yeah. And, uh, but yeah, we, uh, I did want to ask, uh, if you have in your memory banks, uh, what your first introduction to Christopher Nolan was.

Sam (05:38.41)
Well, you know, I was thinking about that and I think it was the prestige. Um, although at the time, I don't think I knew it was Christopher Nolan. Um, cause I remember seeing it. I guess it must've been close to when it came out. Like that was like, was that early 2000s?

Eli Price (05:43.089)
Okay.

Eli Price (05:48.819)
Sure, yeah.

Eli Price (05:58.075)
Yeah, it was like, um, it was, yeah, it was, oh six. I want to say it was between Batman begins and dark night. So yeah. Oh six. Yes. Yeah.

Sam (05:59.243)
Like, oh, five?

Sam (06:03.951)
Okay, yeah.

Sam (06:08.626)
It was after Batman Begins.

Okay.

Yeah, yeah, now I'm thinking like, I don't know, maybe. I guess it must have been Batman McGinn's then. For some reason, I was thinking the prestige was older than the Batman film, but I don't think. Yeah, it must have been, it must have been, it must have been Batman McGinn's. What was, what was the move, like what would have been his film before that?

Eli Price (06:15.611)
Are you rethinking your answer now?

Eli Price (06:22.48)
Yeah.

Eli Price (06:29.369)
Yeah.

Yeah, he had like a film in between, in between both of, yeah.

Eli Price (06:41.543)
So before Batman Begins was following, which is a really small indie low budget film that probably yet. And then Memento was a little bigger. And then Insomnia was his first studio film. It had Al Pacino, Robin Williams.

Sam (06:49.084)
Yeah, I witnessed seeing that.

Sam (06:54.726)
Yeah, I wouldn't. Yeah, it must have been Batman Begins. Yeah. Yeah, I would say probably Batman Begins then would have been the first one. But it's, I think so. I think I would have. But I, it's, yeah, it's been so long. I don't, I'm sure I saw it in theaters.

Eli Price (07:07.17)
Did you see that in theaters or do you remember?

Yeah.

Eli Price (07:17.127)
It was a long time ago for sure. Almost a decade ago that movie came out now. Oh no, I mean two decades. Almost two decades is what I mean. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah.

Sam (07:23.434)
Well, it'd have been 20 years, almost 20 years. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, it's insane like when you can start remembering things 20 years ago.

Eli Price (07:35.35)
Yeah. But yeah. And then I guess the prestige shortly after, uh,

Sam (07:38.23)
What about you?

Sam (07:41.898)
Yeah, well, and I rewatch it actually on, we were recently flying back from Portugal and I watched The Prestige, it was on the one of the selections. And that's such a good movie. Like it had been so long and I remember there was like all the Hugh Jackmans in the tanks, but I don't remember, like I didn't remember.

Eli Price (07:52.252)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (07:57.423)
Yeah.

Eli Price (08:00.847)
It's a great rewatch.

Eli Price (08:08.213)
Mm-hmm.

Sam (08:11.074)
how it all got there and how it all ended. And boy, that's a great film. Like that is so good. Yeah.

Eli Price (08:12.53)
Yeah.

Yeah. Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah. Mine, mine was Batman begins also. Um, I didn't see it in theaters. I remember watching it. Like, uh, I think I got the DVD at Walmart, like when I was in high school or something and threw it on my DVD player in my room, uh, when I was in high school, uh, and then the press D I think.

Sam (08:31.689)
Okay.

Yeah.

Sam (08:39.007)
Nice.

Eli Price (08:43.535)
And I, again, like you were saying, I didn't realize it was Christopher Nolan, but, um, I remember in college, I saw the Prestige and, uh, I was like, who made this movie? It's incredible. Like I loved the Prestige when I, when I first saw it, which I still do, but I think I loved it even more then. Um, and, uh, I think that's, you know, probably one of the movies that made me like, I want to watch more movies by this guy, like that sort of thing.

Sam (08:57.714)
Yeah.

Sam (09:09.702)
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I don't even think I like I remember loving it when I saw it and just being like that was you know, that was a trip. But yeah, again, I don't know that I even at that point, could have told you who Christopher Nolan was, you know, it was just like, oh, that was a cool movie. I don't know, I just I had never. And I guess now I.

Eli Price (09:19.418)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (09:28.101)
Yeah.

Right.

Sam (09:35.55)
I'm interested in like who, like if I see something that's really moving, I'm like, oh, I want to find out who directed this. But that's relatively recent, even for me now, it's like growing up in college and young adult, it's like, I don't know that I was ever like, I gotta know who made this. It was just sort of like, that was amazing. And then kind of on to the next thing. And I don't know, like I've just never.

Eli Price (09:41.328)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (09:46.852)
Yeah, sure.

Eli Price (09:56.08)
Yeah.

Right.

Eli Price (10:02.488)
Right. Yeah.

Sam (10:04.778)
I've never been one to just kind of dig into something, I guess. I mean, sometimes I do certain things, I guess I do. But I don't know, with films, it's just like, OK, that was really cool. Like, that was a great film. And I don't know, for some reason, I just never really was like, I need to find out who Christopher Nolan is until, I guess, I don't know, like maybe Dark Knight. And it's like, oh, everybody's talking about Christopher Nolan and.

Eli Price (10:09.329)
Yeah.

Eli Price (10:15.962)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (10:19.654)
Yeah.

Eli Price (10:27.155)
All right.

Eli Price (10:33.723)
Yeah.

Sam (10:34.002)
It's like, okay, yeah, I guess I like him too. But yeah, and he is like, I'm a total fanboy now. And it's like, okay, yeah, this guy, like he's on a different plane than I think everybody else is. And so it's kind of cool.

Eli Price (10:36.847)
Yeah. You and.

Yeah.

Eli Price (10:47.955)
For sure. Yeah. Yeah, it's funny. I feel like I kind of really maybe even around the time Interstellar came out, because it came out 2014. And that's the year I moved here to Louisiana. So I've almost been here for a decade now. And I really think that year is when I really started digging deeper into movies. And like,

looking up who directed something and all that sort of stuff. And so, yeah, so this, the, this movie year for that interstellar came out was, I guess, was like a big year as far as like me really getting more into film. Um, but yeah, like probably before that, it was just kind of like, yeah, I like these movies and I don't like these movies and I don't really know who made them sort of thing.

Sam (11:20.055)
Yeah.

Sam (11:33.738)
Yeah.

Sam (11:44.736)
Right.

Eli Price (11:44.743)
It wasn't really a question in my mind. Um, but yeah, it's in my wife still like, I'll like say, oh yeah, so and so directed this movie and she's like, I don't know, you've got to, you gotta stop telling me directors cause I don't know. And I'm like, yeah, you're right. Sorry. But it's once you're like in that world and that mindset, it's hard to like, uh, go back and remember like, oh yeah, I used to like have no clue what any of this was too.

Sam (11:59.442)
Yeah, that means nothing to me. Yeah, yeah.

Sam (12:08.599)
Yeah.

Eli Price (12:15.01)
And so I have to like, yeah.

Sam (12:15.242)
Yeah, it's interesting. Yeah. You sort of, once you start thinking about it and like, I'll, I can get more into like, you know, who the DP is and that kind of stuff and like, wow, I love what they did with like all this negative fill light, what are they doing? Like that's, it's so dark. And I love that. And, um, like Sicario with, uh, um, Roger Deakins, like that's just, I think a real masterclass and like.

Eli Price (12:27.119)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (12:41.336)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Which by the way, have you ever, did you know they have a podcast, the Deacons? Uh, it's, it's called team Deacons and, um, it's basically, basically they just, uh, um, interview like, um, filmmakers. They, it's not usually directors. It's usually like, uh, other cinematographers or, um, production design or special effects guys, um, and they just have them on and they just like.

Sam (12:45.865)
DIMM.

Sam (12:50.195)
No.

Sam (13:06.111)
Okay.

Sam (13:09.599)
Oh cool.

Eli Price (13:13.143)
interview them about their career and it's super interesting. Yeah. It's a great podcast. Uh, I'll have to, uh, maybe I'll pull that back out for my, um, uh, for my recommended resource, recommended, uh, recommendation of the week at the end of the episode. So, um, but yeah, uh, yeah, anyway, um, back to, uh, I guess like pulling it.

Sam (13:16.206)
Oh, wow, I'm going to have to I'll have to check that out. I'll write that down.

Sam (13:31.782)
Yeah, for sure.

Eli Price (13:40.715)
all the way back around full circle, the interstellar. Um, yeah, I, for one, um, just like getting it out of the way. This is my favorite Christopher Nolan movie. Um, actually already recorded the Dunkirk episode and true, uh, Christopher Nolan fashion, uh, recording episodes out of time. Um, and so, um, yeah. And so when I finished that episode, I was, um,

Sam (13:44.339)
Yeah.

Sam (13:53.292)
Yeah.

Sam (14:02.542)
Mm-hmm. It had to be done.

Eli Price (14:09.167)
with, uh, my guess was, uh, her name was Kara. Um, we were talking and I was like, well, I haven't rewatched interstellar yet because it's always between interstellar and Dunkirk as my favorite Nolan. And so I've, I've flip-flopped over the years since they, since Dunkirk came out. And so, uh, I was like, I guess in interstellar, I'll, I'll make my final decision, my, my final decision. Um, and so you're getting the, the. Out of time, uh,

Sam (14:20.424)
Yeah.

Sam (14:23.935)
Yeah.

Sam (14:32.404)
Yeah.

Eli Price (14:38.015)
non chronological look at my, uh, my rankings, but interstellar is, I think it still is my favorite. Um, dunk her with it, but like, if I had to pick one.

Sam (14:46.144)
Yeah, I-

Yeah, I'd say it's, yeah. I think it's pretty handily the first, my favorite Nolan film, I think. It's just, I don't know, on so many levels, it's pretty masterful.

Eli Price (14:54.905)
Yeah.

Eli Price (14:58.823)
Yeah.

Eli Price (15:04.951)
Oh yeah. Yeah. And I remember I saw this, um, twice in theaters in 2014. It's, I don't see very many movies twice in theaters. I don't get to see like a ton of movies in theaters, especially now. I was still single at that point. So I was more able to do that sort of thing. But yeah. Um, but yeah, definitely not now. But, um, but even then like rarely see, I don't,

Sam (15:24.674)
Oh yeah, it's all kinds of time. Yeah.

Eli Price (15:34.231)
really never see a movie twice in theaters, but I did. I had seen it like I think on my own and then some of my friends were like, hey, we're gonna go see Interstellar. I'm like, oh, I'm coming. I want to see it again.

Sam (15:44.106)
You know, it's funny you mentioned that, because I feel like I actually, I think I saw this one twice as well in theaters. Now that you mention it, like, I'm pretty sure I saw it with like two different groups of people and it was like, yeah, it was that good.

Eli Price (15:50.983)
That's funny, yeah.

Eli Price (16:01.135)
Yeah. I even have like a distinct memory of, um, I went to the wrong, we have two theaters in town and I went to the wrong one and had to like, I was like, Oh, I was like maybe 10 minutes late. Um, but luckily I had already seen it. And so I was like, Oh, no big deal. I just, I remember what happens in the first 10 minutes. And so, uh, yeah, all that to say, I really love this movie. Um, it was really fun. Uh,

Sam (16:16.458)
Yeah.

Sam (16:21.615)
Yeah.

Eli Price (16:30.019)
like digging into it. I have, and I've probably mentioned this on most episodes, but I have a couple of resources that I use. The, the, the big one is the Nolan variations, which really like is details out a lot of Nolan's career and making of these movies. But really even just like the special features for this one was really fun, like on the, the blue ray disc or whatever.

Sam (16:59.319)
Oh yeah.

Eli Price (17:00.019)
Just a lot of really fun, cool stuff. There was one of the only special feature I didn't have time to watch, which really it didn't have anything necessarily to do specifically with the movie, but I still wanted to watch it. It was like a 40, 50 minute special called the Science of the Interstellar. And I was like, oh yeah, I wanna dig into that sometime. But, oh yeah.

Sam (17:23.238)
Yeah, yeah, no, that sounds right up my alley.

Eli Price (17:30.203)
But yeah, Nolan, this is, I feel like how I can relate to Nolan, maybe the most out of anything, but he always had an interest in sci-fi. And so he talks about how in the summer of 1977, so he would have been, I guess, like seven years, I think he was born in 70. So he was seven years old, but he saw Star Wars seven times that summer.

summer that it came out. And so, which is really like funny that this seven year old is like going to the theaters to see Star Wars seven times.

Sam (18:10.282)
I know. It also tells you how cheap movies were back then. Unless he, I don't know, maybe he came from money. I'm not sure.

Eli Price (18:13.731)
Exactly. Yeah.

Eli Price (18:17.859)
Yeah. Uh, I mean his parents weren't like rich. They weren't like struggling, but they weren't rich either. They weren't like well to do. Um, like

Sam (18:24.794)
Yeah, but I do feel like the cost of a movie ticket has surpassed the rate of inflation many times over.

Eli Price (18:30.98)
Yes.

Oh yeah. Yeah. So he was obviously like obsessed with Star Wars. He talks about how like he was at seven years old, he was actually like already interested in like how they made it. And he was like getting these magazine. He would find like magazines where they were like they would show like about how the movie was made and stuff. And, but yeah, and then shortly after. So he was

Sam (18:48.878)
Hmm.

Sam (18:58.292)
Hmm.

Eli Price (19:03.239)
He kind of went back and forth from Chicago to London throughout his childhood. And so he was in Chicago for the summer. And when he was back in London, his dad took him to see a screening of 2001, that same year, I think, 2001, a space Odyssey. Yeah. And which is technically is rated G. If you go look at like the ratings, it's rated G.

Sam (19:18.356)
Hmm.

Sam (19:21.49)
as a seven year old. I feel like that's pretty intense.

Sam (19:31.474)
Yeah, but it's such an intense. I feel I mean like, yeah, yeah.

Eli Price (19:33.923)
Yeah, parts of it are for sure. Um, which is funny, but he was like fascinated with it, um, as a kid. Um, which I've heard a lot of stories of that. I've heard a lot of stories of like kids around that, like for probably like. The two or three decades after the movie, it would screen all the time. And I've heard so many stories of like directors or

Sam (19:39.246)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well, because I feel like the.

Eli Price (20:00.507)
just like people on like film podcasts that I know, like their parents taking them to see 2001 really young.

Sam (20:07.69)
Hmm. Yeah, I just, I guess I never thought of it. Like, I don't know, it just seems like such a like epic film, you would think it'd be kind of intense. And it's pretty long, if I recall. Or maybe not.

Eli Price (20:14.684)
Yeah.

Eli Price (20:19.631)
Yeah, it's actually, um, it's I think 10 minutes shorter than interstellar. So, so it has that going for it. Um, but, uh,

Sam (20:28.402)
Yeah, I guess. But that the I saw that a few years ago again. And I

Eli Price (20:35.827)
No, it's like 20 minutes shorter than Interstellar. Yeah.

Sam (20:39.646)
Yeah, but I feel like the special effects in 2001, if I recall, I feel like they held up pretty well over the years. Very similar, I think, to like Star Wars, like that same level, which is cool.

Eli Price (20:49.379)
Yeah. Yeah, actually. Mm hmm.

Eli Price (20:56.431)
Yeah. I mean, it came out like a decade before star wars did basically. And really like, if you look at what star wars was doing with the models and stuff, it's basically like, they kind of just did the same thing 2001 did just faster, they just moved them faster. Um, but, uh, yeah, I mean, it, I actually rewatched, I've been doing, um, uh, I've been leading a faith and film small group at my

Sam (21:11.73)
Yeah, yeah, that's true.

Eli Price (21:26.119)
church and, um, kind of, we've been going through like films throughout film history. And so we actually rewatched 2001 for that group recently. And it really does like the special effects hold up. Like so well, it's like, it just, it looks like a movie that could have been made today. Um, and it's, it's really like, because of the, the techniques they use are kind of timeless techniques and it's this, it's the same reason Christopher Nolan.

Sam (21:31.95)
Cool.

Sam (21:38.878)
Yeah, it's amazing.

Sam (21:44.262)
Yeah, totally.

Sam (21:52.855)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (21:55.491)
does so much work to like shoot as much camera in camera as he can.

Sam (21:59.718)
Yeah, I mean, you know, I don't know if technology will ever get to a point where, like, it looks just as good in post-production as it does, like, in camera, but I think we're probably still a long ways off from that because even today, like, with the amount of amazing graphics that we have, and there's so much that you can do on the computer, you can still, there's something about

Eli Price (22:12.176)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (22:16.903)
Yeah.

Eli Price (22:25.296)
Oh yeah.

Sam (22:29.502)
um, uh, in camera effects that, that you just can't, you still can't touch with like post production. I don't think.

Eli Price (22:34.054)
Yeah.

Eli Price (22:39.663)
Right. Yeah, I agree. And we'll, we'll get into like the CG on this one a little bit later. But yeah, it's definitely like going through this. It's something that Nolan is both like, he's, he's passionate about, you know, shooting as much in camera as he can, as he possibly can to the, to the degree to what, to where like

I mean, like Interstellar doesn't have any green screen. It has the most computer generated work, but it doesn't have any green screen because even the computer generated work, they do projection, they do like front projection for it. And so then you're still doing all your work pre-production and like as little as possible post-production.

Sam (23:26.151)
Okay.

Eli Price (23:36.379)
So it's really like you end up putting the same amount of like time and energy and money into it. You're just doing it on the front end instead of on the back end. And it makes it more timeless and feel more like tangible and real when you do it that way to me. And I mean, I enjoy like I've seen plenty of movies with a lot of like post CG stuff that are like

Sam (23:43.078)
Yeah.

Sam (23:46.814)
Yeah.

Sam (23:54.93)
Yeah, I think it looks better. For sure.

Eli Price (24:05.383)
fun and enjoyable movies. It's not to say like you can't make a good movie with, you know, tons and tons of post CG work, but yeah, just like, if I had to like say like, Oh, this is my preference. It's like, yeah, watching these movies and seeing how good and kind of timeless they look. Um, just like 2001, it's, um, it's just like, man, I wish more and more people would do it this way. You know? Um,

Sam (24:14.967)
Yeah.

Sam (24:33.01)
Yeah, well, I think it just, it also shows that, uh, like you can do a lot of stuff on like, like a smaller budget and without a lot of fancy, like there's a lot of tricks that filmmakers have been using for decades now that you don't have to have like a huge VFX budget to, to do. So that's cool.

Eli Price (24:34.683)
But yeah, he, uh...

Eli Price (24:49.799)
Mm-hmm.

For sure.

Eli Price (24:59.503)
Yeah, for sure. Not, not to say Christopher Nolan doesn't have huge budgets because he does, but, uh, but yeah, he, I mean, even like his quote unquote, smaller budget movies, like, like the prestige, I want to say it was like 40 million, which today is like kind of a mid budget movie, um, like the, the special effects works in that movie are fantastic. He like really stretched the budget there. Um,

Sam (25:03.994)
Yeah, no, of course.

Sam (25:28.077)
Yeah.

Eli Price (25:28.231)
to make it, it feels bigger budget even than it is. Even doing things like going to Colorado to shoot just a little bit of footage to make it feel so much bigger, you know, goes a long way. But yeah, so this script actually, the kind of inception of this script was in 2007,

Sam (25:33.371)
Oh, for sure.

Sam (25:41.961)
Yeah.

Eli Price (25:57.779)
Paramount working with Steven, none other than Steven Spielberg himself, they brought Jonah or Jonathan Nolan on to write kind of a story and script based on this like eight page treatment that the physicist Kip Thorne had written, kind of on a story dealing with like black holes in relativity.

Sam (26:04.491)
Yeah.

Eli Price (26:25.347)
And so, um, the inception of it actually came, uh, I think it was, um, a producer friend of Carl Sagan. Um, he set Kip Thorne up on a blind date with his like producer friend. And, uh, the, the relationship didn't go anywhere, but out of that came this like eight page treatment of a story that I guess she convinced Kip Thorne to write. Um, and so that had been sitting around and, um,

Sam (26:50.358)
Well.

Eli Price (26:55.111)
Paramount, I guess, wanted Spielberg to do something with it. And so they brought on Jonathan Nolan to write it. And so he had been working on that for, I don't know how long, I guess, like a couple years. Nolan was doing other movies. And so, yeah, I mean, Spielberg was set up to do this movie. And...

Sam (27:22.486)
Which is that's so funny because thinking of Spielberg doing this movie like that, I just feel like that would be such a different, such a different movie. That's fascinating.

Eli Price (27:29.54)
Yeah, for sure.

Yeah, it would. It's funny. So like, really like the first, I want to, I'm kind of guessing here. I want to say like maybe the first 45 minutes, all the stuff like at the beginning on the farm, it kind of feels like Spielberg, more a Spielberg kind of movie, which is, makes sense because that's the part of the script that Nolan kept like most to the original.

Sam (27:53.002)
Yeah, I can see that.

Sam (28:01.09)
Hmm. That's interesting.

Eli Price (28:02.731)
And so, um, yeah. And so Spielberg didn't end up doing it not because he didn't want to, but because he, there was some, like, he moved dream works, uh, out of Paramount, which dream works as Spielberg's, um, production company, he like uncoupled dream works from Paramount. And then I think he moved his distribution to Disney at the same time. And so it was basically like Paramount had this script.

Sam (28:19.054)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (28:31.291)
that Jonathan had been working on, but now like Spielberg couldn't do it because they owned the script. And so it was it was just kind of like this. Okay, well, now this script is floating out there. And so I think it was I think Jonathan approached Paramount or make him and know him and Chris always like they talk about they're always like bouncing ideas and sharing their progress of their projects with each other.

Sam (28:32.016)
Oh.

Sam (28:37.874)
Hmm.

Sam (28:55.979)
Yeah.

Eli Price (29:02.379)
Um, and, uh, yeah, so he, he kind of, Nolan, Chris Nolan knew about it and was interested in it. And so he approached Paramount and was like, um, you know, Hey, you know, can my brother do this movie? And so, um, they, uh, you know, at this point, Nolan has like a lot of power as far as like working with studios goes, cause he's just had like. Home run after home run after home run. And so, um,

Sam (29:29.71)
Go right now.

Eli Price (29:32.387)
So it really wasn't a hard sell. Um, but yeah, he, he signed on, uh, Chris Nolan signed on in 2012, uh, to the project and, um, I think Spielberg stayed on like as an executive producer too. So, um, he had kind of like a little bit of, uh, I guess, like interest or like he, he had a, uh, he had something in the game too for this still, even though he wasn't making it.

Sam (29:48.926)
I didn't know that.

Sam (30:00.043)
Yeah.

Eli Price (30:02.543)
Um, but yeah, and the, the crazy thing is no one actually, so he's, um, up to this point, I think all the way through tenant, he was with Warner Brothers. And so he was a Warner Brothers guy. And so he actually like to do this movie, he actually got Paramount and Warner Brothers to make this like deal where they would co-produce it, um, which is actually like really

Sam (30:16.909)
Yeah.

Eli Price (30:29.219)
incredible when you think about how rare it is for like big studios like that to co-produce a movie. But I think like Warner Brothers gave Paramount the rights to like a future Friday the 13th movie and like Paramount gave Warner Brothers something. It was like this like weird, this weird deal. Yeah, yeah. But I really like it. Nolan

Sam (30:37.151)
Yeah, not kidding.

Sam (30:51.006)
Yeah, all the backroom deals that had to go down.

Eli Price (30:58.599)
had such like cache in the industry that he was like, Hey, I'm not, I'm doing the movie. I I'm not doing it without my, my Warner bros bros. And, uh, y'all got to work out a deal so that we can get this movie made. And they were like, Oh, okay. Oh, and by the way, here's $175 million while you're at it, you know, go make your move, go make the movie.

Sam (31:19.043)
Yeah.

Sam (31:23.19)
Yeah, I mean, I feel like either of those studios would be crazy to like turn down that opportunity to work with Nolan.

Eli Price (31:27.067)
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah, so no one takes this script. So he kept, like I said, he kept the first part of the screenplay pretty close to what Jonathan had already done with it. But then after that, he kind of did a lot of change.

Eli Price (31:58.303)
From my research, there's not a whole lot of detail as to what exactly was in the original script versus what it ended up being. But I do know there was these aliens that were in the original script. And there's some space station that was parked outside of space and time and some machine that allowed you to use gravity to.

to do stuff. And so like all that stuff that was in the original script, Nolan like strip all that stuff and then basically like rewrote the back end of the movie. And Jonathan knew Jonathan had, I mean, they've worked together. They, they did the prestige together and, um, some other movies. And so they're used, they're brothers and they're used to working with each other. So, um, Chris, when, when Chris had like asked Jonathan if he could do it, he said, Hey, there's some stuff.

I want to change and some ideas that I've been wanting to do that. Like I want to put in there and they're like, he was like, okay, yeah, we'll do it. So, yeah. And so the, the script got reworked a lot. Um, but really one of the first things Nolan did, um, is he took like this, um, this like one or two page, uh, kind of like.

Sam (33:02.495)
Yeah.

Eli Price (33:20.859)
I don't know, maybe like thematic emotional summary to Hans Zimmer. And, uh, he, uh, basically told Zimmer like, Hey, can you write some music for these ideas? And, um, Zimmer was like, okay. And, uh, so, uh, he took it and basically like, from what I can tell all that was on it was.

just kind of the basic ideas. Like it's a father-child relationship. Here's the emotional core of the movie. Here's maybe some quotes or ideas that are gonna be in the movie, but it had nothing about like the setting, nothing about that it was gonna be sci-fi, no context around those like ideas or emotional core.

Sam (34:14.154)
Was it just like the father has to go on a long journey?

Eli Price (34:18.435)
Yeah, it's, it's like, it's about this father child relationship and the father, you know, having to leave his child and it kind of like the emotional core stuff was all that was that he gave Zimmer and he was like, Hey, write something. So Zimmer's like, okay. Zimmer, all the like interviews I've seen with Zimmer, uh, he seems like an awesome guy. He's like ready. He's like up for the challenge. He's like, Oh yeah, I love it. Let's do it. Um,

Sam (34:27.936)
Yeah.

Sam (34:39.126)
Yeah.

Eli Price (34:44.675)
And so he, he writes some stuff and I think it's like one day, like Nolan, uh, or maybe, uh, he called Zimmer called Emma, um, who's Nolan's wife. Um, and she produces like all of his movies. Um, he called her and was like, Hey, I have something. And she's like, Hey, actually Chris wants to come see it, uh, or hear it like in person, can he come, can he come over? And Zimmer's like, yeah.

And so Nolan goes over to Zimmer's house and sits in his studio and he plays him some stuff. And, uh, the way Zimmer tells it is that like, he turned around after he finished. Um, and he was like, well, what do you think? And Nolan kind of sat back in his chair and said, Hmm, I suppose I better make the movie now. And, uh, then like Zimmer was like, so what is the movie? And that's when like Nolan finally tells him, you know,

Sam (35:32.846)
I'm going to go ahead and close the video.

Eli Price (35:40.975)
the context and that it's sci-fi and, you know, all the crazy space, whatever. And Zimmer's like, Oh, okay. Um, which is, I really, I really love that story. Cause I'm like, man, it's so, because when you listen to the sound and this sound in this movie is so integral to, to the movie and the mood and, um, yeah.

Sam (35:48.681)
Yeah.

Sam (35:52.822)
That's awesome though.

Sam (36:04.725)
Yeah.

Sam (36:09.462)
Well, and I feel like I don't know how it ranks as far as like best scores of all time, but I feel like it's got to be up there. Also, I just think like that, that main theme, like, I just feel like I hear it. Like it's such a like used theme and it's like, it can immediately like.

Eli Price (36:15.964)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (36:21.657)
Yeah.

Sam (36:35.114)
it does so much heavy lifting for storytelling. And I think it's one of the best scores. I mean, if not the best, I don't know. I'd have to think about it, but yeah, yeah. Well, so I think that's it too. It's just so like engaging and like listenable, if that's a word.

Eli Price (36:37.635)
Oh yeah. Yeah, for sure.

Eli Price (36:45.987)
It's definitely the one, probably the one I've listened to the most, honestly.

Eli Price (36:56.923)
Mm hmm. Yeah. No, it's if it's not, it should be, I guess. Yeah, it really is. It's an incredible score. And we'll talk more about that in a minute when we get into production stuff. But yeah, just like wrapping up this section, Nolan, Nolan says that the name of the film, like promises the audience a lot. It's called Interstellar.

Sam (37:03.774)
Yeah.

Eli Price (37:27.175)
this it's really like when you I guess when you think about it in that context like when you hear that the movie is called interstellar I guess you do have these like big expectations for it I'd never thought about that before but I was like oh yeah because I and I don't often think about that but um I guess like the name of a movie does like

Sam (37:37.303)
Yeah.

Eli Price (37:48.967)
have a lot to do with, I guess it's marketability and like the expectations you're setting up for your audience and that sort of thing. I'd never really thought about that before. But yeah, the working talk, go ahead.

Sam (37:58.478)
Hmm. Yeah.

Sam (38:03.762)
I was just going to say, yeah, that title does make you expect a lot. I think it's a pretty big title.

Eli Price (38:10.827)
Yeah, for sure. Yeah. And the Nolan said, but at the end of the day, it's, this is a quote. He said, it's about a father and his relationship with his children and his destiny to leave his children behind. And that's like kind of that. That sounds like maybe something that was on the little press you gave to Zimmer. But the original working title was actually called Floor's Letter.

Sam (38:35.455)
Yeah.

Eli Price (38:40.707)
And Flora is his oldest child, his daughter. And so it's almost like, and I think in the special features, I remember Jessica Chastain saying that she had gone on set and actually met his daughter Flora and she was like interacting with her and then it kind of like hit her. Cause I think

you know, she was aware that the working title was Flora's letter. And it kind of hit her, I guess, like thinking about this, this guy and his, this is his daughter and it's called Flora's letter in the working title. And like thinking about the script and she's like, wow, this movie is a letter to his daughter. And I just thought that was like cool. Because at this point in his career and we kind of talked

Sam (39:29.791)
Mm.

Eli Price (39:36.243)
talked about it a little bit in Inception, because the kind of like getting back to your kids is a big theme there. But at this point in his career, he's very like familiar with kind of the heartache of leaving your kids for extended periods of time to do the thing that you love doing, that's your work. And so yeah, that's, I mean, and that is really like the emotional core of the movie too.

Sam (39:44.59)
Hmm, yeah.

Sam (39:58.547)
Yeah.

Sam (40:05.888)
Oh, for sure.

Eli Price (40:06.383)
Um, uh, but yeah, I just thought that was, um, I just thought that was kind of like a really like sweet thing to like name, name the mood, the working title, uh, for like for your daughter. I thought that was really sweet.

Sam (40:19.028)
Yeah.

Eli Price (40:24.599)
Yeah, as far as influences for this one goes, they're one of the big things for the first section was there's a Kim Burns documentary from 2012 called the dust bowl. And it's kind of about that, uh, that era of, you know, the dust bowl and people, you know, and I even think some of the footage that they use at the beginning, you know, on the little TVs of people sharing about like

Sam (40:51.326)
Yeah, I think that's from that Kim Burns documentary.

Eli Price (40:55.403)
I think it is. Yeah. Obviously like the Ellen Bernstein part isn't because, you know, that's Ellen Burst. That one's not, but I think all the other ones are, they actually like use the footage from that documentary.

Sam (41:03.339)
Yeah.

Sam (41:12.49)
I feel like I've seen at least part of that documentary at some point, but yeah, I mean, it's.

Eli Price (41:15.479)
Okay, I've never seen it. So yeah, it seems like it would be super interesting.

Sam (41:22.57)
Well, I think the like sort of the vibe of if you can call the Dust Bowl a vibe. But that part of the country at that time, I think was it's very like you can see that influence and reminiscence of that in sort of what's happening on earth, like at the beginning of Interstellar, like it's very much like, I think a mirror of the Dust Bowl.

Eli Price (41:30.232)
Yeah.

Eli Price (41:45.365)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (41:52.015)
Yeah, yeah, for sure. And, and I think that gives this movie, it like starts it off with like a very interesting, I guess you could say vibe, or like atmosphere because most movies that like, are sci fi and they're dealing with this like dystopian or apocalyptic future. They don't, this one almost feels like to

depict that it goes back in time instead of like forward in time. So like the beginning of this movie has a very like Americana kind of like feel to it, which is so unusual for like a like apocalyptic future kind of movie, which I, it's, it's very unique in that way. And I think I guess that's like mostly, you know, thanks to Jonathan's part of the script.

Sam (42:23.201)
Yeah.

Sam (42:28.277)
Yeah.

Sam (42:39.029)
Yeah.

Eli Price (42:48.579)
very like smartly written as far as that goes.

Sam (42:52.53)
Well, and I think like focusing it on like a family and a small town, like I think really narrows the scope and like just points to focus it at those relationships. Cause I feel like if it was like, it's, you know, the outskirts of Manhattan. And it's like, I feel like when you get into these bigger like cities and stuff, you sort of lose, I think some of the, I don't know, some of the impact of the story and like.

Eli Price (42:57.4)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (43:05.435)
Yeah.

Eli Price (43:10.306)
Yeah.

Eli Price (43:19.706)
Mmhmm.

Sam (43:21.226)
you lose some of the character, I think, in some ways, because it's like, you know, it's like the trope with like all the Marvel movies. Like when the stakes are like the universe, it's like, okay, well, I mean, sure, I guess it's all in danger, but it's like, there's no, you lose that personal story. And I think when you do that, it's hard as an audience member to like really care about what's happening. And so I think...

Eli Price (43:23.654)
Yeah.

Eli Price (43:30.044)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (43:36.019)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (43:48.999)
Yeah.

Sam (43:49.838)
keeping the cast small and it's like a small town, you know, a specific family that you don't really know about anybody else other than like what's happening right there. And so I think that helps you like care a lot more about the people.

Eli Price (43:58.576)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (44:02.765)
Yeah.

Yeah, for sure. It, it, it focuses in really well, um, to, to kind of build, cause you really do have to build that, that emotional foundation at the beginning of the movie, cause it gets, it gets so like big and, um, and dramatic and intense later in the movie. So you, you kind of have to have that foundation already built. And so it's. Yeah.

Sam (44:18.72)
Yeah.

Sam (44:28.614)
Yeah, and he does such a good job of building that emotional attachment for sure in that situation.

Eli Price (44:33.783)
Oh, for sure. Yeah. And, you know, along with that, along with where the movie ends up going, um, I wrote down this quote from, from Jonathan, um, which he, he uses some, uh, explicit explicatives in the original quote that I, uh, just took out. So, um, you can, uh, you can use your imagination of where and what they were. If I, you know, I don't recommend doing that, but you know,

Sam (44:54.433)
to.

Eli Price (45:02.767)
That's your thing then. Uh, but he said, I grew up with, uh, Apollo space travel. We were promised jet packs and teleportation, and instead we got Facebook and Instagram. I just, I loved that quote because. I, and I put it in the influences section because I really do think a big influence here is, is Chris and Jonathan Nolan thinking back to just like their

Sam (45:17.395)
Yeah.

Eli Price (45:30.647)
when they were kids and what like, what it was like to live kind of in that space travel, like Apollo mission, like era and like the influence of that like on the rest of their life because there's when that's such a big part of the culture, that's like focused on like these like courageous missions like exploring something for this kind of like

for the sake of exploring it because like, you can gain knowledge and you can like learn things and you can do things that have never been done before. Like that was a huge part of the culture and like the societal push behind those missions was just that idea and drive toward exploration. And so I think just like, I put it in the influences section because I do think that

Sam (46:02.443)
Yeah.

Eli Price (46:29.571)
is a huge influence on what they're trying to do with this movie. Um, that comes from their cultural experience from when they are kids. Um, but I do love the way he put it. We were promised some teleportation.

Sam (46:34.285)
Yeah.

Sam (46:41.042)
Yeah, I can definitely see that. Yeah. Well, I feel like I don't know if it was, if it was him or somebody else, but I feel like it was somebody to say, you know, we, we were promised flying cars, but we got like 180 characters or whatever, like referring to Twitter in the early days. But it's like, yeah, there is, there has been, and I think, you know, you can look around and.

Eli Price (46:58.963)
Yeah.

Sam (47:10.686)
You know how much of your life is really materially different than what it was or what it could have been 70 years ago, 50 years ago, aside from your smartphone. And maybe your computer.

Eli Price (47:19.59)
Yeah.

Eli Price (47:23.014)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Sam (47:27.07)
I mean, you know, there's not a whole lot that's that different. I mean, people still drive to work. You know, it's the day-to-day stuff. It's, I don't think it's really changed all that much.

Eli Price (47:32.068)
Right.

Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (47:42.323)
Yeah, it really has it. It's just like how you get about doing what you're going to do is a little different is all with just like the advancements in computers. But even that, it's like, I don't know, I guess like when you're living in that age, like

Sam (47:52.56)
Yeah.

Sam (47:59.084)
Yeah.

Eli Price (48:06.231)
You live, you grow up in like the seventies and eighties and nineties, like he would have been in his thirties in the nineties. Um, I guess, uh, or no, he would have been in his twenties in the nineties. And so, like when that's like your whole like kind of childhood and like young adult period and everything is just like growing exponentially. And it does kind of feel like things have kind of like,

plateaued out a little bit as far as like Advancements and stuff and then I don't know if like all this AI stuff will change that but um, I don't know it doesn't really It could but I don't know. Well, I guess we'll just we'll have to see I guess

Sam (48:36.784)
Yeah.

Sam (48:46.19)
Could be.

Sam (48:52.798)
Yeah. I mean, all, I think, I think like the bulk of the advancements have just all been software based more or less. I mean, like, yeah, some hardware stuff is getting better, but it's like, you know, like if you look at your house, like your house, you know, what, like substantial technological changes can you notice in your house? I guess would be the thing. It's like, no, there's still. Yeah.

Eli Price (48:57.891)
Yeah.

Eli Price (49:16.015)
Yeah, tankless water heater, that's about it. Yeah.

Sam (49:20.498)
And you don't even see that. And so it's like, you know, it's like, I would think like a kid in the sixties or like, you know, during the Apollo space program and stuff, you're thinking like in 20 years, like, you know, my house is going to be made out of moon rock or something, I don't know. Like just.

Eli Price (49:36.227)
Yeah, we're gonna have the, we're gonna have the Jetsons robot as our maid, you know.

Sam (49:41.062)
Exactly, exactly. But it's like, but so much of that just never really materialized, as it turns out, like material sciences and engineering is, I guess, harder than it turned out to be, than it was expected. But yeah.

Eli Price (49:47.293)
Mmm.

Eli Price (49:55.783)
Yeah. Either that or the government's hiding it all from us. If you. Yeah. Oh, yeah. But I mean, like influences, you could probably like go on forever. Obviously, like we talked about Star Wars in 2001, he mentions he has like a less like definitive reminery of.

Sam (50:01.738)
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Now we're getting somewhere.

Eli Price (50:23.699)
Close Encounters, but he remembers Close Encounters being a very interesting movie to him as a kid and growing up. Yeah, the space movie. But he actually screened for his crew the movie The Right Stuff by Philip Kaufman, which I've never seen. It's a 1987 movie about...

Sam (50:51.632)
I don't know that I've seen that either.

Eli Price (50:53.667)
Yeah, it's an 87 movie kind of about. I want to say I'm pulling it up so I can be be. Yeah, it's just like the formation of the space program in America, basically. So he screened that for his crew, I think for several reasons, just because he wanted a big one was he wanted this movie not to be like too futuristic feeling, but feel kind of like grounded in.

Sam (51:08.656)
Okay.

Eli Price (51:23.395)
actual like space travel and like more modern NASA stuff. And so that was an influence. Hoyt Van Hortema was the DP, the cinematographer for this. It was their first collaboration together. And so up to this point, he had been working with Wally Pfister on all of his other stuff. And Pfister, I think, had decided he wanted to

Sam (51:26.583)
Yeah.

Sam (51:41.303)
Okay.

Eli Price (51:51.315)
to go into trying to direct a movie. And so he wasn't available. So he got hooked up with Hoyte van Hortema, who I think at this point, his biggest, like the most well-known movie maybe he had been on was Let the Right One In, which was a sweet, it's either Swedish or Norwegian vampire movie. And...

Sam (52:19.234)
Sweet.

Eli Price (52:20.535)
Yeah, it's actually really good. I watched it earlier this year for the first time. Um, but yeah, uh, I want to say that was, he, you know what he had done something else, um, before he came on, uh, for this. It was, uh, pulling it up now. Oh, Tinker Taylor soldier spy. He had done, uh, he had worked on.

Sam (52:45.614)
Hmm.

Eli Price (52:49.131)
also before this and the fighter, the David O Russell one with Christian Bell. He had done those before this too. So he had done a couple of American movies at this point. But yeah, he hooked up with Nolan and they kind of clicked because they have similar, I guess, goals with trying to capture as much in camera as possible.

Sam (52:57.144)
Okay.

Eli Price (53:19.279)
Um, but yeah, Hoyta had said that his, some of the things he had watched, um, to kind of like get a, the atmosphere for what he wanted it to look like were, were some Tarkovsky, uh, Tarkovsky films like, uh, Solaris and Mirror and Stalker. Um, and I can see some of that, um, in, in some of the sequences. Yeah. Um, so, um.

Sam (53:37.305)
Hmm.

Yeah, I could see so a stalker. Yeah, yeah.

Eli Price (53:48.707)
Yeah, that was some influence on the cinematography route, but, um, yeah, I honestly didn't run into a whole lot of talk about influences. Some of the Nolan films that I've done research for, he's like, I mean, he's naming like 10 different films and you're like, man, how could I ever talk about all of these films as in the influences section, but this one really like, that was pretty much all I had found. I'm sure there's more. Um, but in my research, that's what I ran into. Um,

Sam (54:08.45)
Yeah.

Eli Price (54:19.011)
And it's hard, like it's hard when you make a space movie, not to like have it be compared to and say it's influenced by 2001. I mean, it's like it's like the definitive space sci-fi movie. But yeah, so production on this one was a six month shoot started in August 2013. Um, like I said, $175 million budget is

Sam (54:29.268)
Yeah.

Sam (54:33.261)
Yeah.

Eli Price (54:48.547)
really big budget. Not as big as the Batman budgets, but still really big. And yeah.

Sam (54:56.666)
Well, you didn't have to build a Batmobile, so.

Eli Price (54:59.067)
That's true. He didn't have to build the batmobile and fly Batman off of roofs and stuff. You know? Um, yeah, those are, those episodes were really fun to do as far as like all the special effects goes talking through all that, um, a lot of like fun stuff in there, um, yeah, if you, if you haven't listened to those, if you're listening to this, um, you know, I definitely recommend listening to those, um, yeah.

Sam (55:06.147)
Yeah.

Sam (55:14.626)
Yeah.

Eli Price (55:29.148)
One of the cooler things about the production of this, I think, is they went to Alberta, I think Alberta, Canada. It's somewhere in Canada, I'm pretty sure, Alberta, for the cornfield and farm sequences. Which is interesting.

Sam (55:48.523)
Yeah, it's a lot of corn and cows, I think, in Alberta, along with the...

Eli Price (55:52.471)
Yeah. Well, so like where they did the corn fields, um, is actually like not ideal for corn growing. Um, like they, they got like farmers as consultants in to help them, like figure out if they can make it happen and stuff. And, um, and, uh, but the goal I think was, so when you, when you watch the, this, the kind of the wide shots of the field, you can kind of see like mountains kind of out in the distance.

And he wanted that feel of like, because it's this world where they're, they're having to grow just corn everywhere. He wanted this field of this feel of like corn growing somewhere where it shouldn't be growing, which to me, I'm like, it's funny because like, I wouldn't know, like I personally wouldn't know. So I'm not going to get that feeling, but I guess like if farmers watch the movie, they would know.

Sam (56:30.492)
Yeah.

Sam (56:37.452)
Yeah.

Sam (56:42.301)
Hehehe

Eli Price (56:49.584)
But like it's just one of those things that like directors are thinking about that like that I'm like

Sam (56:50.419)
Yeah.

Sam (56:54.798)
Well, I think it's one of those things that probably Nolan is thinking about. Like, I don't know how many other people are thinking about that, but it makes sense now that you say it.

Eli Price (56:57.944)
Exactly, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, but they actually, so they planted, they planted all that corn for, just for this movie. Um, like they didn't go and just find a cornfield. They, I think, uh, I think one of the guys was saying they had like 350 acres in one location and like 500 acres of corn in another. Um, and so they had to actually like, they use their budget to invest in the corn. Um, like you're probably a little bit more familiar with like how the farming industry works than I am.

Sam (57:11.83)
That's awesome.

Eli Price (57:33.863)
Cause I know y'all have done some like stuff, like some small scale stuff, but like.

Sam (57:37.278)
Yeah, we haven't planted acres of corn, but yeah.

Eli Price (57:40.191)
Yeah. But it's like, you have to like, apparently invest in the crop. And then it's just kind of like, right. Right.

Sam (57:46.87)
Well, you've got to, I mean, you've got to buy all the seed and all the, all the fertilizer and somebody, you got to have somebody who has the tractor or the drill or whatever. Yeah. No, it's, yeah. To give to a mature cornfield of that scale. Yeah. It would, it would take some money for sure.

Eli Price (57:52.771)
Uh huh, so they-

Eli Price (57:56.931)
Yeah, they had a farmer do a lot of the work. Yeah. And so they

Eli Price (58:09.007)
Yeah. The, uh, Hoyta in, in one of the special features was saying, yeah, we went out there and the corn was like, not even up to our knees and we were getting really nervous. And he was like, but I just didn't know how fast corn grew. And you know, all of a sudden it was like the perfect height and, uh, and, uh, yeah. So they actually, they, so they invested all that and planning all that corn and they actually made all their money back.

Sam (58:25.606)
Yeah, that's funny.

Eli Price (58:36.435)
because they harvested the corn and they made all their money back that they invested in. And I think they even like made a little bit of a profit off, off of the corn. Yeah. I think they, yeah, I think that's what they said is they were able to harvest like the majority of it. Yeah. Just to like a really fun, like production fact for, for that. And in Alberta, Canada,

Sam (58:38.662)
Yeah.

Sam (58:46.73)
Yeah, well, if it was a good year, then yeah, you know, if you're able to harvest most of it, then you should. For sure.

Sam (58:58.806)
That's awesome.

Eli Price (59:06.296)
at that.

Sam (59:07.198)
Yeah, so that would have been the Canadian Rockies, which you would have seen those mountains in the background. Yeah, that's awesome. My wife is from Alberta, so that's, yeah.

Eli Price (59:09.807)
Yeah, it is. It is.

Eli Price (59:17.667)
Okay. Yeah. Um, yeah, that's, it's, it's just really cool. And so like, they did some other stuff in Alberta, like, um, they, so they, obviously the, the house, the farmhouse is, you know, in the middle of the cornfield, uh, and that was not there. They built that house, um, like for the, for the movie, um, like from the ground up, so they like, they,

Sam (59:44.533)
Oh really?

Eli Price (59:45.447)
they would go out there with like this little model and they would be like placing it in different directions to see where the mic at different time, you know, the time of day they'd be shooting to see where the lighting was best. And then they built the house like at the right angle for the shooting. Yeah. Um, so that, that's really cool that they like, I wonder if that house is still there. If like it's, it's like a usable house. No, I don't know.

Sam (59:53.328)
Yeah.

Sam (59:59.65)
for the best lighting. Yeah, that's awesome. Of course they did.

Sam (01:00:11.934)
Where did the so is that but that wasn't in Alberta.

Eli Price (01:00:16.111)
Yeah, that was, it was in the corn fields. Yeah. They built it out there and then they also shot, um,

Sam (01:00:17.19)
Yeah, oh, they put the house. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, who knows? On some farmers, some farmers cornfield, maybe

Eli Price (01:00:26.419)
I guess. Yeah. Uh, yeah. So, oh yeah. Maybe it's still there. I don't know. But, um, and then like the, the scenes, like the, the baseball field scene is in Alberta and the town where all the dusts, like the dust storm is coming through. That's like a little town somewhere in Alberta. Um, so they shot, they, yeah, they shot all basically like they, they probably did some of this stuff, maybe.

Sam (01:00:48.23)
Okay. I didn't realize that you did so much in Alberta. That's cool.

Eli Price (01:00:57.323)
in LA or maybe somewhere else. But I think the vast majority of like that whole opening part of the movie is in Alberta. Yeah, and then obviously like all of the all of the space stuff is like on sound stages in LA. They

Sam (01:01:05.866)
Hmm, that's cool.

Sam (01:01:19.022)
And I mean, obviously they had to film in a black hole too, but. Still remains a mystery. How, how did he pull that one off?

Eli Price (01:01:20.803)
Yeah. They, they obviously didn't go to space. Um, yeah. Yeah. It's, uh, I think, uh, one of the guys in the special feature, I don't remember who it was. It wasn't a guy that I was familiar with. Uh, but he was like, yeah, I think if it was an option, Nolan would have us all out in space, um, shooting this movie. But yeah, they, uh,

Sam (01:01:46.086)
Probably.

Eli Price (01:01:50.907)
The other on location stuff they did was for the planet. So I think it's like Miller's planet, which is the water planet and man's planet, the ice planet. Yep, Iceland for both of those. So the ice planet is actually shot on a glacier, the same glacier they used for the beginning of Batman Begins. So there's that opening sequence.

Sam (01:02:03.422)
I'm assuming they went to like Iceland. Yeah.

Sam (01:02:17.427)
Oh nice.

Eli Price (01:02:21.019)
You know, where he's like going up the, to Rosal Gull's like league of league of shadow location that's shot in Iceland on that glacier. And so they went back. It's at some national, I'm not even going to try to pronounce the name of the national park. Um, but it's some, it's some like national park. Yeah. It's like, I think it's one of the biggest glaciers in Europe. Um, and, uh, it's really, really beautiful. Like.

Sam (01:02:26.685)
Oh yeah, yeah.

Sam (01:02:35.994)
Yeah. Too many consonants. Yeah.

Eli Price (01:02:48.931)
Obviously it's beautiful in the movie, but also like just watching the kind of behind the scenes stuff. It's like beautiful.

Sam (01:02:49.144)
Yeah.

Sam (01:02:56.954)
Yeah, I mean Iceland is one of the most like beautiful countries I feel like.

Eli Price (01:03:00.791)
Yeah. And he, it worked out well because it's also a country where like, you don't have to get go far to have a completely different setting, like, uh, and so like it really wasn't that far away that they, it was like this very shallow lake that they shot the water planet in. Um, and so, and you know, they had built the model, the, they had built the ships, um, you know, full scale.

Sam (01:03:10.665)
Yeah.

Sam (01:03:20.175)
Oh cool.

Eli Price (01:03:29.575)
like ships as like these little, they're basically like movable sets. And so they, they filmed the ice planet stuff first, I think. Um, and then they like loaded that they were able to like load them on trucks and drive them over to the lake to shoot the water planet stuff. And they're like, you know, landing the landing them in the water with like these cranes and stuff. Um,

Sam (01:03:41.144)
Hmm.

Sam (01:03:48.13)
That's awesome.

Eli Price (01:03:57.411)
Really? Yeah. Really fun stuff to watch. Um, yeah. And really like, I think the other thing that makes this movie like look incredible is the, obviously like Nolan is like the IMAX guy. And, um, so this is, let me, so this is his now, so dark night and dark night rises both had IMAX footage.

don't think Inception did. They didn't do any IMAX in Inception. And then this is his movie. This is, yeah, so this is his third movie with a lot of IMAX footage. I think there's like over an hour of like IMAX 70 millimeter footage in this movie. And what's incredible is Hoytse Van Hoytema. So, you know, obviously IMAX cameras are like super heavy.

Um, they're like these huge, like fifties with all the like equipment and the, the attachments to carry it. It's like even more than that, even more than like 50 pounds. Um, and like you see, like if you watch the background footage, like Hoyt of in Horton, it was like determined to have a handheld style for a lot of stuff and he's just like lugging around this huge camera on his shoulder.

Sam (01:04:55.467)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:05:24.379)
It's like, man, that guy must've, he must've been like seeing a chiropractor daily, um, for that production. Um, but yeah, he was it.

Sam (01:05:24.545)
Yes.

Sam (01:05:30.398)
I'm sure.

Sam (01:05:34.978)
Hopefully he was using one of those like over the, one of those rigs, you know, like where you can strap it on and hold it over your head.

Eli Price (01:05:40.143)
Yeah, it's like this, it's this, yeah, it's like the camera is sitting like, um, it's, I mean, it's huge. So it's like hanging off the back of his shoulder on this little rig and he has this like pole coming down off of it that he's like holding onto and I'm sure it's like harness to him around his waist, uh, somehow too. Um, but it's just.

Sam (01:06:00.885)
Yeah.

Yeah, that would be just a bear to try and film with.

Eli Price (01:06:06.775)
Yeah. And then, and then he was also determined to like shoot like in the sets. So in the, they, you know, they, they have these sets for the, um, for the inside of the endurance ship. Um, and, you know, it's pretty tight quarters, but he was like shooting an IMAX. He's like had this huge IMAX camera and these like tight quarters in this ship, like shooting, um,

And, you know, he talks about like, oh, it gives the feel of like how actually like tight quarters those ships would be. And I'm like, yeah, I guess I totally get that. Um, but it was just like impressed with the determination. Yeah. The determination is impressive for sure. Um, and this actually broke, um, the, uh, IMAX film platter standard. So the, the like max.

Sam (01:06:47.166)
Yeah, whatever you need to tell yourself. Yeah.

Eli Price (01:07:02.483)
was up to this point was two and a half hours for a runtime. Um, and no, this movie is over two and a half hours, obviously. And so, um, it like broke the, the film platters just like the, for maybe listeners who aren't aware is like there, you can just think of the real, um, up to this point, IMAX would only do like two and a half hours and

Sam (01:07:13.144)
Yeah.

Sam (01:07:26.028)
Yeah.

Sam (01:07:30.402)
Didn't he go to IMAX and was like, I need you to build me one that's like two hours and 45 minutes or whatever. Yeah. And then I think he did it again for Oppenheimer. I think he was like, okay, I need one that's like eight hours. Yeah.

Eli Price (01:07:34.059)
Yeah. A bigger one. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

Eli Price (01:07:42.503)
for Oppenheimer. Yep.

Eli Price (01:07:47.9)
Yeah. Oh man. But I mean, he, like he just, he can do that because he's Christopher Nolan. You need guys like him that are like, like determined to like progress, like the use of that stuff. And, and to like Hoyta was very like, Hoyta has actually done, um,

Sam (01:07:54.83)
I know that's what's so ridiculous. Yeah.

Sam (01:08:08.211)
Right.

Eli Price (01:08:13.423)
I listened, so he has an episode on team, the team Deacon's podcast that I listened to and he was talking about how he's done like these master classes on like shooting an IMAX. Um, and how like him and like he and Nolan are like really like trying to progress the technologies, um, of shooting an IMAX, like showing

Sam (01:08:19.261)
Okay.

Sam (01:08:37.407)
Hmm.

Eli Price (01:08:39.463)
just to show people like, hey, you can do this. You can shoot these movies on celluloid in IMAX. And it looked good and it...

Sam (01:08:47.927)
Yeah.

You just don't need a back at the end of it.

Eli Price (01:08:53.431)
Yeah. Um, which, uh, in Dunkirk, they, they did, which will, you know, obviously talk about that next week for the Dunkirk episode, but, um, they, they developed a ton of like, cool, like in new rig technology for, for like these IMAX cameras, um, to get a lot of the Dunkirk footage. Um, but yeah, he's, it starts, you know, here on the interstellar with him and

Sam (01:08:56.182)
You can do it handheld.

Sam (01:09:14.05)
That's awesome.

Eli Price (01:09:22.171)
Hoyt to really like trying to like make full use of that format. To me it pays off because anytime like that, you know, I'm watching it on my TV at home, like, and it's just my home TV. It's not anything like, it's not like I have a home theater, but anytime like the screen goes boom and hits those IMAX.

Sam (01:09:29.24)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:09:50.087)
Um, footages and just like expands to fill the screen. It really is like captivating and like impressive to watch. Um,

Sam (01:09:55.87)
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Eli Price (01:10:00.391)
But yeah, yeah. How do you feel as a cameraman about lugging around a IMAX camera on your shoulder? Interested?

Sam (01:10:10.598)
I wouldn't be into that, no, no. I'm always trying to think like, what's the least amount of rigging I have to do? I work very lightweight and yeah, I'm not that committed to my craft. I don't even use film.

Eli Price (01:10:19.214)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:10:23.023)
Yeah, understandably for sure.

Hehehe

Yeah. I mean, really like it's, it's becoming less and less of a, of a thing. And, um, uh, my, I had my friend Houston on for, um, the dark night episode and he's, uh, he's very much into like cameras and, you know, he kind of was talking about in that episode, how really like the digital cameras, um, he used like some technical jargon that I can't remember off the top of my head.

But the digital cameras now have really very close, if not equal, light capturing quality as film does, as an IMAX 70 millimeter film camera does.

Sam (01:11:15.593)
Yeah.

Sam (01:11:20.582)
Oh yeah, I mean the digital stuff has come a really long way. Um, you know,

Eli Price (01:11:27.056)
Mm-hmm. Like a lot of movies now that will show an IMAX are shot on the ARRI digital cameras. And they're IMAX approved or certified, I think, is IMAX has a certification that digital cameras can get now or something. Mm-hmm. Yep. Mm-hmm. Right.

Sam (01:11:34.935)
Yeah.

Sam (01:11:38.359)
Yeah.

Sam (01:11:47.004)
Certain ones, yeah. Things like the Ari Alexa and Alexa Mini is what a lot of folks use. Like a lot of feature films are made on those these days. And they're great. I mean, like, you know.

Eli Price (01:11:56.451)
Yeah. And there's some others like the, like, um, the new mission impossible was shot on a Venice Sony Venice, I think, or something like that. Um, which is another one. That's a digital, that's IMAX certified.

Sam (01:12:08.434)
Yeah, well, I think the, I saw something about the, I think it was the creator movie was shot on like a, on an FX3, I think, which is like, well, I don't know if the whole thing was, but at least sequences of it, which is like, it's a pretty like, like consumer level camera, the FX3. I mean, like it's,

Eli Price (01:12:18.181)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:12:22.062)
Okay.

Eli Price (01:12:35.18)
Okay.

Sam (01:12:39.014)
It's a pro camera, but it's like, you know, it's a few thousand dollars. It's a few thousand dollars versus like, you know, multiple tens of thousands for like these other ones, but.

Eli Price (01:12:40.966)
Right.

It's a beautiful movie. I was able to go.

Eli Price (01:12:49.906)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:12:53.431)
Right, right, right. Yeah, it, the creator is a beautiful movie. I was able to, to get to theaters and see it. And, um, and it's another example of a movie where they did a lot of on locations shooting and, you know, added in stuff in post, but it, you know, it has that, that real background and, you know, and kind of South Southeast Asia, um, where the setting is. Uh, and so like it, it really does make a difference.

Sam (01:13:13.71)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:13:23.419)
getting that real on location stuff. Um, but yeah, it is a beautiful movie. I think the, I think visually is where it, where it soars, like what, what's the best thing about it for me? Um, yeah, it's, it's worth seeing if not, if for nothing else, then like how awesome it looks. Um, and so yeah, uh,

Sam (01:13:25.481)
Yeah.

Sam (01:13:37.538)
Hmm. Yeah, I haven't seen it, but

Sam (01:13:45.971)
Yeah, that's awesome.

Eli Price (01:13:50.207)
I had some issues with the storytelling and stuff, but visually and world building wise, it's like master level. Just looks incredible.

Sam (01:14:02.642)
Yeah, yeah, that's what I heard. Daniel did a review, I think, on that one. Um, but yeah, I, I only, most of my like current movie knowledge just comes from whatever we've reviewed on the collision, uh, secondhand from, from Daniel. He, he's the one that gets to see the movies and I just get to hear, hear him talk about it.

Eli Price (01:14:08.732)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:14:18.749)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:14:22.979)
Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah. Um, yeah, go like moving on from camp. Cause like my, my camera knowledge is very limited. So, uh, but move into, we we've talked a little bit about the score. Um, but I think one of the cool things about this score is the, the use of the pipe organ. Um, so like, I think Nolan through.

Sam (01:14:35.585)
Yeah.

Sam (01:14:47.766)
Hmm.

Eli Price (01:14:49.907)
pretty early on at Zimmer like, hey, I think I want a lot of like organ in this and Zimmer's like, oh, okay. Never worked with organ before but we can, you know, we'll see what we can do.

Sam (01:15:00.563)
I'm surprised if he hadn't worked with Oregon before.

Eli Price (01:15:03.799)
Yeah, like he, you know, he's obviously he's a composer. So like he's probably done something with it before, but I don't think for a score and especially not for like it, you know, the organ is kind of like the central. Like, uh, instrument for the score for this. Um, and, uh,

Sam (01:15:18.45)
Yeah.

Sam (01:15:23.326)
I mean, I just think, I think the organ is like, I feel like one of the most powerful instruments, like in the world. Yeah.

Eli Price (01:15:28.943)
It is. Yeah. And here in Zimmer talk about it. He's like, it's an instrument that you can like feel on like multiple levels. And like my, uh, I remember we were on a trip, uh, in New York city. And, um, whenever I pass, um, St. Patrick's on, it's on, it's right off of Rockefeller center. Um, it's a, it's a,

Sam (01:15:37.791)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Eli Price (01:15:56.535)
Like if you saw a picture of it, you'd probably be like, oh, okay, that, that church. Um, but it's, um, this huge church. And, uh, if ever the few times I've been in New York, probably like four or five times, and I think I've gone in St. Patrick's every time just cause it's beautiful. Um, and, uh, but I remember one time we were there around Easter and we walked in, um, and they were like, uh,

Sam (01:16:00.501)
Yeah, yeah.

Sam (01:16:13.25)
Hmm. Yeah.

Eli Price (01:16:26.211)
rehearsing for like their Easter service or something and the organ was playing and it was just like incredible. And then another time I walked in and this is the time that stands out. Another time I walked in and they had the organist playing, um, before like a mass before like a mass service, um, was, uh, a master service was going to start, you know, in the near future. And I guess they have like some music before it.

Sam (01:16:31.121)
Oh, that's awesome.

Eli Price (01:16:54.323)
And he was playing this like, like kind of like a typical thing you would think of with organ, this like big haunting, like, uh, with like those deep tones and like stuff and, um, like I walked in and I just like stood there. I was like taking it in. You can like feel, um, the mute, like you can feel the reverberations of it, like in the whole huge church. Um,

Sam (01:16:54.391)
Mm-hmm.

Sam (01:17:04.927)
Yeah.

Sam (01:17:15.778)
Yeah.

Sam (01:17:23.454)
Yeah, well those church, I mean, like especially like old churches like that one and most churches like throughout Europe, you know, it feels like sometimes they were all like built for the organ, you know, because all the acoustics of, I mean, it's just, yeah, it's insane. That's insane.

Eli Price (01:17:30.867)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:17:40.119)
Oh yeah.

Eli Price (01:17:44.687)
Yeah. And so, yeah, so they went to the temple church in like South London, I think. And they got this organist Roger Sayer. There was like a whole part of the kind of behind the scenes documentary on the special features showing this guy like playing the organ. And it's just like, for one, like one of the things I've always loved about

watching someone play the organ is like, it's a very physical performance as much as it is like a musical one, because you have to use, you have to use your whole body to play it basically. Like, yeah, I don't either.

Sam (01:18:17.874)
Yeah. Oh yeah.

Sam (01:18:25.05)
Yeah, it's ridiculous. I don't know how anybody can play the organ. Like it's such a like mind-blowing. It's the same with like the accordion or concertina to me. I mean, except you add your feet, I guess. But like, how do you keep up with all with all the things that are going on? Like it's incredible to watch.

Eli Price (01:18:34.1)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Yeah.

Eli Price (01:18:42.275)
Yeah. Because I mean, you've got you've got both feet going on both like the so the base notes or those big these big pedals on the floor. I don't know if all the listeners have ever actually like seen someone play an organ. If you haven't like pause and go watch something on YouTube. But like Yeah. You've got like these pedals.

Sam (01:18:56.052)
Yeah.

Sam (01:19:01.766)
Yeah. Stop this and go find your nearest organ concert.

Eli Price (01:19:11.799)
also on the floor in addition to like the big bass note keys. And then like you've got usually like multiple levels of keys up top that have different like sounds and octaves. And then all the stops, which are like these little things you pull out to like change the way the pipes work and the way they sound and like the, it's just like, and you're doing all of that stuff at the same time.

Sam (01:19:17.922)
Yeah.

Sam (01:19:26.411)
Yeah.

Sam (01:19:35.157)
Yeah.

Sam (01:19:41.406)
Yeah, because you can like be playing this cute little thing, and then you like start pulling out more stops and it just becomes this like monster, you know, and it's just like, whoa, like, which is just, I don't know, it's such a it's such an amazing instrument to me. And I think it is like the most powerful instrument that I think humanity has ever created. But yeah, if you want to have like very like moving and like

Eli Price (01:19:41.811)
it.

Eli Price (01:19:47.031)
Yeah. Yes.

Yeah.

Eli Price (01:19:56.943)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:20:04.164)
Yeah.

Sam (01:20:10.894)
powerful music like the organ is the place to go.

Eli Price (01:20:15.671)
Yeah. And I think like, so I think the combination of just like how big and imposing the sound is, and then just like, just how physical it's like, it's a very like, physically and emotionally, I think like, when I watch someone like play the organ and like, actually like, really like laying into it playing it, like, like Roger Sayers is for some of the score.

Sam (01:20:40.405)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:20:45.559)
It just looks, it doesn't just look like tiring physically, but he's like, you can tell there's a lot of emotion that goes into it too. Um, uh, which, you know, is something about instruments in general that I think is interesting, the amount of like emotion that like people put into their playing, um, but with an organ is just like on another level, cause it's your whole body, it's your, it's.

Sam (01:20:55.059)
Yeah.

Sam (01:21:06.004)
Yeah.

Sam (01:21:11.015)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:21:12.719)
It's basically like all of your being is going into making this instrument, uh, like sound the way it sounds. Um, and I think that comes through just like, just like putting in a pair of earbuds and listening to the score. It comes through just in that, even in that way, you know, um, but.

Sam (01:21:17.607)
Yeah.

Sam (01:21:21.682)
Yeah, and I think that... Yeah.

Sam (01:21:32.23)
Yeah. No, you get that. You, I feel like both the actual score and like the instrument used, like using the organ to do that score. Um, I think like you, there's just so much emotion already charged into that. Music. And then you layer the story on top of that and like what's happening. It's just sort of like, it's, it's so much, so much emotion.

Eli Price (01:21:50.823)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:22:01.007)
Yeah. Oh yeah. And yeah, it all, it's like, it is all layered for sure on top of each other. And yeah, very powerful. One of the things about the score that I thought was interesting, so he, he did the organ in this church. He also like brought in like kind of a mobile recording unit and brought the orchestra into the church too to record all the other stuff. But one of the things I thought was really cool that I don't know that I noticed in the

Sam (01:22:01.684)
in one movie.

Sam (01:22:23.33)
Hmm.

Eli Price (01:22:30.363)
while watching the movie. Maybe like one of those things you notice maybe subconsciously, but not like aren't aware of. But apparently like the farther they get away from earth, the more kind of like distorted from the like, the sounds of the themes the music gets. So they start employing these like different, like a little bit.

Sam (01:22:50.787)
Hmm.

Eli Price (01:22:58.963)
off of the normal way you would play your instrument sort of thing into it. And then I think even like the, the notes like stray a little bit from like the origin, like whatever the say you're playing this theme, like the notes get a little bit off this way or that from what the original theme was, which

Sam (01:23:02.744)
Hmm.

Sam (01:23:16.383)
Yeah.

Sam (01:23:20.17)
I guess the idea of like sound waves as you're moving away from the point of sound, it's going to sound distorted. It's like how if a siren passes you, when it's coming towards you, it sounds very different than when it's going away from you. And so yeah, that's kind of cool. No, I don't think I noticed that in the movie, but that's awesome.

Eli Price (01:23:24.53)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:23:28.338)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:23:36.837)
Right.

Eli Price (01:23:41.059)
Yeah, but it probably, I think probably like how it works subconsciously, even if you're not aware of it is just that. So like he's, he's also like playing with that idea of memory. So like the farther you get away from something, like the more like your memory kind of like distorts a little bit of what actually it was.

Sam (01:23:59.123)
Yeah.

Sam (01:24:03.906)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:24:05.987)
Um, and so like as they're moving farther away from earth and their families, like. This, the score is like distorting in the same way, like that their memory of what they've left behind is. Um, and I think that's maybe how it works kind of emotionally on a subconscious level, um, like working with like the theme of what's happening, um, which I think is really like Zimmer is Zimmer gets like, I think a bad rap for being like a.

Sam (01:24:18.119)
Yeah.

Sam (01:24:23.65)
Yeah.

Sam (01:24:28.289)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:24:36.155)
Um, maybe like a pop, uh, composer. Um, but he's like a very, very thoughtful composer. Like he's.

Sam (01:24:43.494)
Yeah, he's like a philosopher composer. Because he's very thoughtful in his compositions, I think. And he's trying to do things with them beyond just like, this is a happy song. This is the sad song. This is a song that asks a question. It's like, well, OK, I didn't think about that. But yeah, it does kind of sound like that. Yeah.

Eli Price (01:24:46.68)
Yeah, he is.

Eli Price (01:24:51.094)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:24:59.703)
Right. Exactly. Yeah.

Eli Price (01:25:05.348)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:25:09.903)
Yeah, like I remember in the, in the, the Dark Knight Rises. Yeah, I guess it was last week in the Dark Knight Rises. He had, I remember he had talked about how for Catwoman's theme, he, he was like, yes, Catwoman, you know, she's, she has this like moral ambiguity. And so I tried to make the melody morally ambiguous for her theme.

I was like, what does that even mean? Like who, who thinks in that way? But he's, that's all the level that he's thinking on as a composer, which I, you know, I appreciate.

Sam (01:25:40.907)
Yeah.

Sam (01:25:47.064)
Yeah, yeah. Well, it really, it really comes out. I think it really comes out in Interstellar, like, his, his greatness, I guess you could say.

Eli Price (01:25:56.067)
Oh yeah, I think it's like one of my favorite scores ever for sure.

Sam (01:26:01.278)
I find myself listening to it all the time. Like if I'm doing some work and trying to get some stuff done, it's like, yeah, I guess I'll listen to Interstellar again. Like, why not? Then just weep and just, ah, why did he have to go?

Eli Price (01:26:03.43)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:26:11.104)
Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

Eli Price (01:26:16.592)
Yeah, like a staring at your screen, just like McConaughey and weeping, but because of the score, not because you're watching 20 years of your kids. Yeah, the design of this, I think, is really interesting. So he, and I do think this comes through this, I think.

Sam (01:26:20.658)
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

Eli Price (01:26:44.291)
It's similar to 2001 in that really a lot of the design is more pretty grounded. It's not too out there. So when you're looking at the, I don't know, the control panels, it's not all this very futuristic looking stuff. It's buttons and knobs and like.

like laptops, like they're using, like it's very like grounded in kind of modern stuff. But yeah, he had said he didn't want it too futuristic. The quote I wrote down was, he said everything was based on a contemporary reality. And he kind of used like NASA, current NASA as like the benchmark. And

Sam (01:27:18.058)
Yeah.

Sam (01:27:30.09)
Yeah.

Sam (01:27:36.502)
Yeah, and I think that's a, again, I think that's one of those things that, like, keeping it in a small town and one family, like, grounding it in familiar things. Because I think when you start to add in elements that are like, just totally off the wall or like, way into the future, like, hey, this is going to be the Jetsons or something, it's like, you begin, like, it's another like,

Eli Price (01:27:44.146)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:27:49.959)
Mm-hmm.

Sam (01:28:04.514)
something for the audience to overcome, to like buy into the story. And so I think it's a really smart way to design something that is a very complicated story and sort of hard to tell, but it's another layer that's like, okay, yeah, I can believe this, like this seems legitimate. And so I really appreciate those elements that seem so familiar.

Eli Price (01:28:07.191)
Mm-hmm, sure.

Eli Price (01:28:29.542)
Yeah.

Sam (01:28:32.826)
grounded in reality, even though they're gonna get up to some stuff that's pretty fanciful.

Eli Price (01:28:38.783)
Oh yeah. Yeah. And really like even like down to like the spacesuits and like the sets for like the inside of the ship and stuff are just like very like so like the suits are very like they're not like these sleek like flashy suits like you see in a lot of sci-fi stuff. They're they're pretty like just normal practical like NASA suits.

Sam (01:28:59.924)
Yeah.

Sam (01:29:07.562)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:29:08.711)
And, uh, and even like they even were like, kind of really hot inside and they had these like cooling water, cool shirts on just like, like similar to what actual astronauts use. Um, and so, and then like the inside of the, like they, there's a, there's a special feature where Nathan Crowley, the production designer who's worked with Nolan a lot, kind of takes you through the, they had three different, um,

Sam (01:29:22.437)
awesome.

Eli Price (01:29:38.323)
sets built for like the pods for the endurance, which the endurance Nolan said, like he wanted it to feel like the international space station where like it's like, it looks like these separate pieces that have been like built and flown out and added in just like the international space station was. And it kind of does have that, that feel to it. And then yeah, yeah. So they built

Sam (01:29:56.75)
Mmm.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's like the different segments of it.

Eli Price (01:30:06.359)
you know, sets for like basically like three different sorts of pods that were on the endurance. Um, and, uh, like even in those, like he's taking your around and he's like showing you all the like, just practical stuff. Like, oh yeah, this chair folds out of the floor and this table folds out from the wall. Um, and like, yeah, we, like when the seats rotate back for like a launch or something, now there's a control panel right here, uh, for them and.

Um, just like all this, like really cool practical stuff. And one of the things was like, yeah. And there's handles everywhere. So like, if you look around, like the ship, there's just like handles on the ceiling and handles over here. Cause like, it's just like, yeah, you're going to be floating around in zero G. You need something to hold onto wherever you are. Um, so I was like, man, they really like put a ton of thought into these little sets. Um, yeah. And, uh,

Sam (01:30:46.762)
Right.

Sam (01:30:51.436)
Yeah.

Sam (01:30:55.65)
Right.

Sam (01:31:01.579)
That's awesome.

Eli Price (01:31:06.019)
Yeah, even like, so they built the, the Ranger and the lander, which are like the ships that they, they take out the Rangers, like taking it out of the endurance and the landers, the one that like goes down and lands like on the planet, it's supposed to be the thing that like you becomes your camp, um, on the, the planet you're trying to, um, to, you know, make habitable or whatever. Um, but yeah, they even built those, um,

Sam (01:31:22.285)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:31:35.919)
like where you could be like inside of them sort of thing. And they used them both like on location in Iceland and then they shipped them back to LA and like put them on rigs in the studio sets with, that's where they did a lot of like the front projection stuff. So like instead of CGing like the outside of the window of the, why they're inside of these ships.

Sam (01:31:57.274)
Okay.

Eli Price (01:32:06.011)
They did front projection on these huge 80-foot wrap-around screens of the CG work that they had done for the outer space and the black holes and stuff like that. Yeah. So it's just really cool. Even Tars and Case, they built. This was a really cool thing to watch. So Tars and Case are.

Sam (01:32:11.551)
Oh cool.

Sam (01:32:16.29)
Hmm.

Sam (01:32:20.342)
That's awesome.

Eli Price (01:32:34.151)
these puppeteered things. So the only time like they're CG'd is when they're like doing something that couldn't really be puppeteered. So like, any time they're like folding out all these different things, like that's computer generated because you can't really puppeteer that. And then like, but even like on the water planet when Case is saving Dr. Brand and like rotating through the water,

Sam (01:32:43.69)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:33:04.711)
They have like this, you know, they obviously had to build several different versions of these for the different like things they're doing. But like when he's like rolling, they have him like on this rig that's on like this four wheeler that they have driving through the water, like rotating it. So like even that's not CG, it's like caught in camera. All they did post is obviously like CG out, like the guy on the.

Sam (01:33:11.797)
Yeah.

Sam (01:33:23.37)
That's cool. Yeah.

Sam (01:33:33.066)
On the four wheeler. Yeah.

Eli Price (01:33:33.071)
on the four wheeler, yeah. But yeah, it really cool, but yeah, they're puppeteered. So there are these huge like stainless steel things that they've engineered with these like, so they have these like aluminum versions with these cables that the, it's Bill Irwin is the guy that does TARS and he puppeteers it. And it's like.

Sam (01:33:56.914)
So are they like inside this thing? Oh wow.

Eli Price (01:33:57.347)
Yeah, he's attached to the back of it in this like gray. He's like all in gray. So they have to like CG him out if he ever shows up. Um, and originally like they had these cables, so he would pull like these like cable things, but then they decided to go with stainless steel ones. So they had to engineer these, like the cables wouldn't work anymore because it was so heavy. So they had to like, yeah, there's this like hydraulics in the little puppeteer thing. So like, you can watch the.

Sam (01:34:18.798)
Yeah, you'd be like hydraulics or something.

Eli Price (01:34:25.651)
You can probably pull up on YouTube like Tars like puppeteer and like watch, but it's really, it's really like it's both cool and kind of funny to watch him like walk around behind Tars. And I also love how they decided like to just they didn't do anything really to his voice. It's just his voice. They didn't like make it sound robotty or anything.

Sam (01:34:35.602)
Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Sam (01:34:49.926)
Yeah, yeah. It's interesting to me, like they, like, I wonder what, uh, inspired their robots to be like that. Did you see any, uh, in your research? Did you find any like, cause it seems like such an unusual form factor for a robot.

Eli Price (01:35:01.955)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:35:06.96)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:35:11.811)
Yeah, so in the movie, they're like these ex-military robots. And so their form is kind of...

Sam (01:35:17.61)
Right.

Sam (01:35:23.435)
I guess for battle.

Eli Price (01:35:25.399)
It's like this very like, um, function, like functional. So they, like, they fold out in all these different ways and like, um, they actually have like different ones for different, like, I guess, like different functions. So like case and Tars are actually like a little bit different. Um, if you watch like the way they walk, it's a little bit different even. Um, and so like cases, the one on the

Sam (01:35:34.997)
Right.

Sam (01:35:49.831)
Oh, okay.

Eli Price (01:35:53.655)
on the planet with them. And I think he's maybe more of an on the ground kind of guy, like military robot than Tars is, who seems to be more of like an on the ship guy. And so, and I don't, I can't remember, I did watch like they did talk a little bit about the design of them. It seems like they just like...

Sam (01:36:08.277)
Gotcha.

Eli Price (01:36:20.931)
really liked the idea of this very like, these sleek, practical, rogue, like they didn't want, I think one of the goals was like to have them be as least like humanoid looking as, as they could make them, which like making them like basically rectangles is pretty, pretty good at doing that. But yeah.

Sam (01:36:40.69)
Yeah, just big rectangles.

Sam (01:36:47.666)
Yeah, I'd say they succeeded.

Eli Price (01:36:50.523)
So, but yeah, it does, but at the same time, like having them like puppeteered, kind of give some personality to them. And then like having the voices be just the voice of the voice actor, it gives it this like weird, it gives you the feeling of like this robot feels like human, but like kind of distant from the actual humans at the same time, which I guess is a,

Sam (01:37:02.719)
Yeah.

Sam (01:37:14.549)
Yeah.

Sam (01:37:19.104)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:37:20.984)
It makes sense for like an AI robot to feel that way. Um, yeah.

Sam (01:37:25.514)
Yeah. You don't put the AI robot in like a human looking body. That would just be like too freaky. But if you put in a big square or a big rectangle, like you can.

Eli Price (01:37:31.697)
Right.

Eli Price (01:37:35.527)
Mm hmm. Yeah. It basically, I mean, it really is reminiscent of like how 9,000 just not stuck on the wall as like a red eye in the wall. It's like, it really is reminiscent of how, yeah.

Sam (01:37:45.99)
Right, right. No, very much so. Yeah, like you never forget that they're robots, even though they've got a lot of personality. Cause what was it that he like, his humor setting? Yeah, like.

Eli Price (01:37:56.331)
Right. Mm hmm. A humor setting and he has a little light that comes on when it's like, which I wonder if like, that's like a Nolan wishes, like he could tell when people were joking or not. So he like added that on his robot.

Sam (01:38:13.702)
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Eli Price (01:38:16.551)
Uh, yeah. And then like as truth setting was like 90% or something. Um, uh, which is another, like, I don't know. I guess that that's probably interesting in its own right. But, uh, um, yeah, Tarzan case there, we need more movies with Tarzan case, I think maybe some, some spinoffs, the adventures of Tarzan case maybe.

Sam (01:38:22.645)
Yeah, right.

Sam (01:38:37.666)
Yeah.

Sam (01:38:41.85)
Yeah. Where are they now? Yeah.

Eli Price (01:38:43.715)
I like that. Yeah. What's Tars up to in that? Oh, I guess Tars came out of the black hole with him at the end. Yeah. Where where are they now would be fun for sure. Yeah. Special effects. Special effects is always fun in Nolan movies. I didn't. He I don't remember who the special effects

Sam (01:38:53.077)
Yeah.

Sam (01:38:59.402)
a nice little short film or something.

Eli Price (01:39:13.003)
supervisor was for this. But, but it did a lot of like really cool stuff. I mean, they had to set corn on fire, which apparently I didn't know this, but green corn doesn't really burn like that. And so, so

Sam (01:39:28.87)
Yeah, I mean it's like anything that's any plant that's green is not going to really go up in a blaze.

Eli Price (01:39:35.139)
Yeah. So they did like, uh, I think one of the guys like said to Nolan, like green corn doesn't burn. And Nolan was like, Hmm, well in my movie it does. Yeah. It's, it's got a burn in my movie. So it's going to, and so they, they did like propane for the fire and did burn some diesel for the smoke. Um, they use this like food filler.

Sam (01:39:50.279)
So I guess it's gotta burn.

Sam (01:40:02.048)
Nice.

Eli Price (01:40:05.063)
that was like blown with like fans for the dust. Some sort of like, I guess, I don't know. It's kind of disturbing that stuff is in food. But food filler, when he said that I was like, oh, this terrible. But I guess like it's also like biodegradable. So it's like.

Sam (01:40:09.663)
Hmm.

Sam (01:40:21.26)
Food filler like that just I got I have questions

Eli Price (01:40:34.479)
good to use for stuff like that because you're not really messing up the environment or anything. Yeah, we talked a lot about already case and the front projection for the stuff. The Zero G stuff was really fun to watch. The stunt people for that did seven to eight weeks of rehearsal for all the Zero G stuff.

Sam (01:40:38.349)
Yeah.

Sam (01:41:01.379)
Hmm.

Eli Price (01:41:02.027)
And they used several different techniques, um, so that it wasn't like, basically like their idea behind using different techniques was so that the audience wouldn't like see the same technique over and over and be like, Oh, I know how they're doing that. Um, so it's always like for different, like parts of what they're doing. It's like a different, like special effects technique that they're using so that it doesn't all necessarily look.

Sam (01:41:19.363)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:41:31.035)
the same so you can't be like, oh, I know what they did. So they use these full body harness things with four cables. So you have a full range of motion with turning your body this way and that. And then they use some seesaw rigs with weighted on one end. And it's attached at their hips. And so they're on this thing. And so you get sort of like that seesaw.

Sam (01:41:46.123)
Yeah.

Sam (01:41:56.161)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:42:01.139)
floaty effect. And yeah, I can't remember. It seems like they did some other stuff, too. Those are the those are the two that I remember seeing on this on the on the Blu-ray special features. But yeah, it turns it like it. They did really a really good job. I mean, they OK, so they also have like they built like vertical sets that were like replicas of the

Sam (01:42:02.508)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:42:30.843)
the normal set for some of it to where they're going like up and down. Um, yeah. So, I mean, all that stuff is really fun. It's, it's more fun to go watch them do it than to hear me like describe it. So I would recommend doing that. Um,

Sam (01:42:37.261)
Yeah.

Sam (01:42:48.77)
I'll have to go get that behind the scenes DVD.

Eli Price (01:42:52.931)
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, if you don't have it, you can always get it at the library and do that. I've done that for several of these.

Sam (01:43:00.098)
Oh yeah, the library man, what a great resource. I'm a huge fan.

Eli Price (01:43:04.407)
Oh yeah. Um, yeah, I do on the interstellar one, um, on Blu ray, but yeah, for, like, I didn't have like, um, insomnia. So I got that at the library and yeah. Um, it's, it's good. It's good for, uh, especially for this where I'm like researching all the behind the scenes stuff. Um, yeah, one of the

Sam (01:43:25.938)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:43:28.739)
One of the things I did like was, so when they have in the studio, like the ranger where McConaughey's like, you know, cruising around on the ranger in space, um, they had this like hydraulic rig that it was on and the way it was controlled was they basically had like a small version of the hydraulic rig. Um, and you like press down, like on the court for like corners of it, like to

make the, to like match the motion of what the rig was going to do. So like wherever, whichever way you move this, like small version of it is how like the big rig is going to move basically. Um, and so no, it actually shows like most of the time, Nolan was actually the one like running that, like moving the rig because for him, there's certain things, like one of the things Nolan. I've kind of learned about him is.

Sam (01:44:09.641)
Oh, interesting.

Eli Price (01:44:26.555)
there's certain things like that where he would rather just do it himself because he has in his mind, like the way he wants the motion to look. And so if it's possible for him to just do it himself, he's like, I'm just going to do it. Like, and uh, yeah. So I thought that was really cool. Like to see him just like they're on set, like moving this spaceship around with this controller.

Sam (01:44:36.847)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:44:54.255)
You just don't see like directors doing that sort of stuff a lot. So it's, it just like, as another thing that makes me respect them and, you know, as just a filmmaker, like getting in there and doing stuff like that too. It's really cool. Um, one of the like coolest things about this film and is actually is the CG stuff. So.

Sam (01:44:54.37)
That's awesome.

Yeah.

Sam (01:45:09.112)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:45:20.611)
The so Kip Thorne, I hadn't mentioned him, I guess, at the very beginning, but Kip Thorne was also an executive producer on this. He's a physicist and he's like, he's sort of like the guy on all like things gravity and relativity. And he, he was involved from the very beginning of the film, like working on all the science stuff.

Nolan wanted the, you know, as much could be, that could be like grounded in actual science of this film to be grounded in actual science. And so, uh, Kip Thorne worked with, um, the, the CG group, like to get basically like he would write out all these equations of, okay, here's how the wormhole would work and look and, um,

Sam (01:46:00.578)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:46:16.867)
and function like mathematically and scientifically. And the CG team would then like take all these equations that Thorn was feeding them and like plug them into their models to create these visualizations of it. And so it's really cool to watch like those parts of the behind the scenes, cause Kip Thorn is like kind of giddy about it because it's basically like stuff that's never really been visualized before.

Sam (01:46:31.394)
That's awesome.

Sam (01:46:46.446)
Hmm.

Eli Price (01:46:46.695)
Um, and so like they have, they have like all this math and stuff, but they've never actually like taken the time and they're, I guess, like had this amount of like money and resource to put into like, actually like visualizing these things. And so really like when you watch this movie, um, at least up to this point, uh, like Kip

Sam (01:47:04.706)
Hmm.

Eli Price (01:47:16.391)
black holes after this movie. But at the time of its release, um, Thorne would say like, this is the best visualization of a black hole, you know, we've ever had, which is really cool. Um, like to go to a movie and walk out, like you probably wouldn't know that if you're just like casually seeing the movie, but like learning that you're like, wow, I've seen probably like the best picture of a black hole, like I'm ever going to see in a

Sam (01:47:29.79)
Yeah, I didn't realize that.

Sam (01:47:45.41)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:47:46.263)
in a blockbuster movie, you know? Yeah. And so like, there's all this like, it's very interesting to me. But also like, it's hard to describe, because I'm not Kip Thorne. But there is tons of like really interesting stuff about like the way black holes work, and how like the way they're typically shown in movies is like, is often not quite right. And you know,

Sam (01:47:48.254)
Yeah, that's cool.

Eli Price (01:48:16.187)
like the like shining discs around them are like accurate to how it should look based on like the science and even the wormhole like the wormhole being a sphere is Like a big thing because wormholes and movies are always like these just kind of like circle doorways in space and like Thorne is like no it has to be a sphere and so they actually like

Sam (01:48:25.878)
Yeah.

Sam (01:48:38.261)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:48:43.091)
plugged in all these numbers of how the light would refract and stuff. And so like when you watch these things, you're like watching like, you're actually like watching math and science, like be visualized to, to like the best it can be visualized. Yeah.

Sam (01:48:47.757)
Yeah.

Sam (01:48:58.346)
That's cool. And I have a book recommendation for those who want to go down the Black Hole Rabbit Trail. I don't know if you know these. I think it's, I want to say it's Oxford Press, but they're called A Very Short Introduction. Have you seen these? I mean, they have them on almost any topic you can think of.

Eli Price (01:49:06.339)
Ooh, yeah.

Eli Price (01:49:15.184)
Mm-hmm.

Okay, yeah, I think so.

Eli Price (01:49:23.651)
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I have.

Sam (01:49:25.81)
And so one Christmas I got a very short, a very short introduction to black holes. And so you can just, you can look, I mean, they're like seven or eight bucks. It's a real small little book. And it's just sort of a primer on any given topic. And so I got one on black holes. So I reckon if you want to learn a little more, I still, I've read it, but I, you know, that stuff is so like far beyond me. It's like, okay.

Eli Price (01:49:31.568)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:49:37.232)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:49:40.676)
Right.

Eli Price (01:49:44.388)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:49:52.836)
Yep, yep.

Sam (01:49:52.97)
I guess that's how it works. I don't know. I guess I'll take their word for it.

Eli Price (01:49:57.303)
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like I've read, I've read Stephen Hawking's A Brief History in Time, and it's like, I can grasp a lot of it. But then like, there's certain points where it's like, man, this is a little bit beyond me. And it's actually a pretty readable book, A Brief History in Time is. But yeah, I think Hawking's later work gets a little bit out there.

Sam (01:50:13.043)
Yeah, it's a year.

Sam (01:50:18.2)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:50:26.963)
But a brief history in time is pretty solid science. I just love how they have these visualizations of this. And then they really like all the CG work that they're doing making these visualizations. Instead of adding all of that in post, they're projecting it.

Sam (01:50:55.512)
Hmm.

Eli Price (01:50:55.915)
on those screens. So I just really love that, that because when you hear like the actors talk about it, both like when you hear them talk about being on this like actual like set that is the ship and like having this physical like reality that you're in. And then at the same time, they're like, when you see the black hole out of the window in front of you.

Like it's so you have something to work off of. Um, and like, so, uh, I think Anne Hathaway was saying, like, when we, when me and Matthew like see the black hole for the first time, it's a genuine reaction of like awe because we actually are seeing this projection of the closest thing to a visualization of a black hole we've ever had before. Like we're seeing it for the first time.

Sam (01:51:29.166)
Yeah.

Sam (01:51:53.395)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:51:55.627)
and it's incredible. And so, like you're, not only is it like.

more tangible and real, but like it actually like helps your actors actually act instead of having to like just imagine what it might look like because they're working with green screen, you know.

Sam (01:52:08.266)
Yeah.

Sam (01:52:16.438)
Yeah, I just can't imagine anything more harmful to the acting experience than having to just use a green screen or just pretend that you're seeing, like that just, I just feel like that'd be so hard to do as an actor. And so yeah, another great reason to do everything as practically as you can and do very little green screen.

Eli Price (01:52:21.575)
I'm gonna go.

Eli Price (01:52:26.395)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:52:31.416)
Oh yeah, for sure.

Eli Price (01:52:38.244)
Yeah.

Yeah. And I mean, they put a ton of work to this. Like the so these images, they're plugging in tons and tons of like math, like real math into this computer program. And I think they were saying that like it would take like a hundred hours to render, like one frame because it was so complicated and what they were doing. Yeah. And then the other like

Sam (01:52:49.644)
Yeah.

Sam (01:53:01.192)
Cheers.

Sam (01:53:04.686)
That's insane.

Eli Price (01:53:10.451)
complicated thing that they did was the Tesseract at the end. And so like, obviously it's, they explain it in the movie. It's like this basically three dimensional rendering of like four dimensions. And so, so that he can like move within a three dimensional space, but he's moving through time. Basically it like makes time one of the three dimensions.

Sam (01:53:36.268)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:53:40.959)
uh, is basically like what that test react is doing at the end. Um, and, uh, it actually, like it was explained in one of the special features in it, I was like, Oh, that, that kind of like helps me grasp it. They were saying like, imagine like unfolding a cube until it's like two dimensions. So you kind of end up with like six squares basically, once you unfold a cube all the way.

Sam (01:53:44.523)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:54:06.607)
And so now you have this like two dimensional rendering of a three dimensional object. And so they said it's basically that, but imagine unfolding four dimensions into three. Um, and what that would be like. Um, and so like, obviously we can't grasp that, but having the analogy helps to be like, okay, well, at least I have like the level down understanding of, of what that means.

Sam (01:54:06.656)
Yeah.

Sam (01:54:12.974)
Hmm.

Sam (01:54:30.271)
Yeah.

Sam (01:54:35.072)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:54:37.119)
Um, uh, but yeah, the, so the set that they built, um, for that test wreck was like this huge, like a hundred foot by 60 foot set of this, like, kind of like refracted and like distorted room, um, version of like Merce room and they, again, they did all this, like plugging in math, um, and stuff into these computer rendering programs so that they could like

Sam (01:54:53.431)
Hmm.

Sam (01:55:02.122)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:55:05.955)
stretch out the room and like connect the rooms and make sure that they tried their best to like get it as close to what would mathematically make sense as they could. But obviously this is like the most far-fetched scientifically part of the movie like, you know, Thorne was basically told Nolan like, you know, everything, all this stuff we have with like the wormhole and the black hole like...

Sam (01:55:17.397)
Yeah.

Sam (01:55:24.853)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:55:34.643)
Um, it's like really close. He said, but really like, once you go into the black hole, you can really kind of just do whatever you want. Cause we just don't know and there's no way for us to know. And so like this kind of, yeah, exactly. Now I can just use my imagination and really like the Tesseract is like a really like beautiful thing to look at. It's like strange and like, it is a little confusing just because it's

Sam (01:55:41.446)
Yeah, nobody knows. Yeah. Which is great for a movie maker.

Sam (01:55:55.776)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:56:02.039)
It's something beyond like what we can really kind of comprehend. Um, but like, it really is like a beautiful thing to see. Um, and they, yeah, they, so they built the set and then they used, I think they had like 15 projectors running simultaneously, like projecting all this stuff going on. And they had. Yeah.

Sam (01:56:12.301)
Yeah.

Sam (01:56:24.49)
Yeah, which again is crazy because like I feel like this, if anytime there was, if anything could be done like in post and like, yeah, you can just figure it out. You would think it would be this. Yeah.

Eli Price (01:56:32.231)
Yeah.

Yeah, exactly. But it's another example. So they did a lot of wire work with Matthew McConaughey on this of moving them around on cables and stuff within this little set. And yeah, it's another example of he talked about how he was able to grasp better what was actually happening by being in it than if he were just moving around.

Sam (01:56:43.719)
Yeah.

Sam (01:57:02.367)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:57:04.659)
like in a green screen. So like another, like you're helping your actor like do produce like better acting. Yeah. Yeah, this, you know, there's a ton more in production stuff that we could go on and on about, but yeah, we have to get to the release, which it released in November.

Sam (01:57:07.788)
Oh, I know.

Sam (01:57:14.055)
Yeah, for sure.

Eli Price (01:57:32.819)
2014. I didn't remember that it released that late in the year, but it did. Um, and it actually came in $10 million under budget, which is another reason that no one has such power in studios because he stretches his budget and like what, what directors like coming in under budget? Like, um, that's, that's a good way to get a studio to like fund you again is to come in under budget. I think, uh,

Sam (01:58:00.949)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:58:02.967)
Yeah, he, and then yet again, another like Nolan pulling his power card paramount at this point had switched to like delivering movies fully digitally. And Nolan like got them to make an exception for him so that he could deliver celluloid for his distribution. Yeah, of course. Yeah, opened opening weekend.

Sam (01:58:25.057)
Of course.

Eli Price (01:58:31.387)
47 million it made domestic Which is it's a that's a good opening weekend. It was second to the big hero six that weekend. I Noted I was like, what did what was it second to and I was like, no big hero six Disney movie But yeah, I did eventually gross 700 million worldwide which is Really impressive for this sort of movie to make that much money

Sam (01:58:42.487)
Mm.

Sam (01:58:48.81)
Yeah, of course.

Sam (01:59:00.298)
Yeah, because it doesn't it's not a real like broad appeal. Yeah.

Eli Price (01:59:01.381)
Like I.

Eli Price (01:59:06.287)
It's not Batman, you know, it's not a superhero movie and it's not like, um, I guess like it's helped because it's a drama. Um, and dramas tend to do better, um, with a worldwide audience, but yeah, it is a strange movie being a sci-fi movie to like make that much money. Cause that is a, that's a huge like.

Sam (01:59:23.938)
But it's a sci-fi, I think.

Sam (01:59:31.127)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:59:35.82)
um gross for a movie

Sam (01:59:36.302)
That's a lot.

Yeah, I don't know how that compares to other things, but like that seems like a lot.

Eli Price (01:59:43.011)
Yeah. Well, yeah. So like, I mean, the dark night and, um, the dark night rises both grossed over a billion. Um, inception was up there. It, it, it wasn't a billion, I don't think, but it was up there. Um, but yeah, I mean, this making 700 million worldwide is really, really impressive. Um, and, uh,

Sam (01:59:53.889)
Yeah.

Sam (02:00:09.93)
Yeah, no kidding.

Eli Price (02:00:12.567)
Yeah, it's one of those it what's funny is it's one of the Nolan movies that feels like it has the most like mixed like reviews like of how people like it. So it's either like there's people that are like, I love this movie, like I guess both of us. Or there's like kind of people that are mixed to negative. They're like, oh, you know, it's impressive, but also like they have a lot of issues with it. And so it

Sam (02:00:30.283)
Yeah.

Sam (02:00:39.647)
Yeah.

Which didn't it also have like, wasn't there like complaints about it being too loud? Was this, if I remember correctly like when it was in theaters it was like, I couldn't hear the dialogue.

Eli Price (02:00:42.661)
I think.

Eli Price (02:00:47.748)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:00:51.035)
This was, yeah. Yeah, it started, I think that all started with Bane and Dark Knight Rises and then like the next like, I don't know, several movies. Nolan's making up through Tenet is like, people are like, I can't hear his dialogue. Which is fun. We talked about, me and my guest for Inception had talked about how it's fun. Well, he had pointed out it's funny because in.

Sam (02:01:11.189)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:01:20.627)
In inception people were like complaining like oh, there's too much exposition they're just talking and then so like for the next like Four or five movies Nolan makes movies where you can't hear the dialogue better and people are like, oh we can't hear any of the talking You're like, well, what do you want? Do you want to hear it or not? Yeah, a lot of people found like they were

Sam (02:01:27.894)
Yeah.

Sam (02:01:32.759)
Yeah.

Sam (02:01:39.223)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:01:47.227)
So a lot of like the critical response was kind of like perplexed by his sudden turn to like this very sentimental movie. Cause it is at the end of the day, a pretty sentimental movie. Um, very, and, and in that way, very different than really most of his other films up to this point, which are very like, um, very like highly structured, like puzzles, um, kind of unraveling it with like.

Sam (02:01:57.49)
Yeah, very sentimental.

Sam (02:02:15.721)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:02:16.515)
Yeah. And so they're perplexed by that. But Nolan, when Nolan heard that, um, I wrote down this quote, uh, he said that he was an optimist and he, this is a quote he said, uh, I worry about things, but at the same time, I have a lot of faith in people coming together to solve problems. So it's, it's just funny. Like Nolan makes all these movies about like men, like racked with like guilt and all this.

But he's like, no, I'm an optimist. I promise. And I guess this was like his one movie or I guess like this in Dunkirk maybe are both like his most optimistic hopeful movies. Um, which, you know, I, I appreciate that. But yeah, it won, it won one Oscar and one for visual effects, uh, which it very much deserves, I think. Um,

Sam (02:02:47.138)
Yeah.

Sam (02:03:02.85)
Yeah.

Sam (02:03:10.38)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:03:11.383)
It didn't win for score. It was nominated for original score, sound mixing, sound editing, and production design.

Sam (02:03:18.55)
I'm surprised what, do you know what won that year for score?

Eli Price (02:03:22.607)
I don't know. Let's see. So 2014 Oscars.

Sam (02:03:26.202)
Thanks for watching!

Sam (02:03:32.91)
and be curious what.

Eli Price (02:03:33.04)
So.

Yeah, I am too. I should have looked this up before him, but we're going to get a live search. Okay, so I need to look at 2015. The 2015 awards because this came out 2014. Here we go. Can you just give me all of the stuff? I don't want the highlights. There we go. Okay, scrolling, I'm scrolling. This is fantastic content.

Sam (02:03:41.642)
Yes.

Eli Price (02:04:06.351)
Um, it's grand Budapest and which, man, I love that one too. So, um,

Sam (02:04:06.707)
Was it Grand Budapest Hotel?

Sam (02:04:14.09)
I had to say this is the difference because I could not tell you what the score like I couldn't I Have no idea what I mean I have an idea of what Wes Anderson music sounds like and So it's probably something quirky and peppy and upbeat But I could I couldn't tell you at all what that score was which is surprising to me that To me that beat out Hans Zimmer

Eli Price (02:04:20.326)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:04:26.896)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (02:04:30.968)
Yeah, it's...

Eli Price (02:04:42.575)
Yeah, it's, it's close for me. I would probably, I would probably go with interstellar if I, if you made me pick one, um, but yeah, I mean, Alexander Despot was nominated for two scores that year. He was also nominated for the imitation game. Um, and so he's just like pumping out great scores, I guess. Um,

Sam (02:04:44.238)
and you're stellar.

I don't know. I'd have to- I'll-

Sam (02:05:03.376)
Oh yeah, well yeah.

Okay.

I need to check out his discography.

Eli Price (02:05:14.271)
Yeah, he's got a lot of great scores. I do like the Grand Budapest score a lot. It's one that I'll find myself kind of like... I kind of have a mind that I'll have random melodies just kind of pop into my mind and I'll walk around like whistling or humming them.

Sam (02:05:21.514)
I'll have to check that out.

Eli Price (02:05:38.007)
Especially when I was doing my Anderson, Wes Anderson series, that one would like pop in my head a lot. I would be like walking around humming stuff from it. Um, so yeah. Um,

Sam (02:05:38.25)
And it's always.

Sam (02:05:46.434)
Hmm. Well, I'll have to go back and send to that, but you know, I'm extremely biased and shocked that they beat out, uh, um, Zimmer.

Eli Price (02:05:56.811)
Yeah, if I had to pick one, I would probably go with, um, with Zimmer's interstellar score. Um, I guess, uh, but I do like, I do like the grand Budapest one a lot. Um, so I can, I can totally understand it. At least it wasn't some like score that I'm like, what, why that, you know? Um, but yeah, uh, as far as the cast goes for this, um,

Sam (02:06:18.89)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:06:25.295)
It's actually like not a ton of, you know, Nolan up to this point had, he had a lot of like collaborations that he would use with actors. And this one really has like a lot of new faces. So I think Anne Hathaway and Michael Caine are really the main returners. And Hathaway was in Dark Knight Rises previous to this film, but really everybody else is pretty.

Sam (02:06:51.63)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:06:54.451)
Pretty new. I'm not really, I don't really think any of these actors or actresses were in any of his other movies. Not the main ones anyway. Yeah, McConaughey was perfect I think. No one said he liked his everyman quality, which he definitely has. The Texas draw helps with that I think.

Sam (02:07:06.463)
Yeah.

Sam (02:07:10.658)
Yeah.

Sam (02:07:14.688)
Yeah.

Sam (02:07:18.386)
Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. I mean, go ahead.

Eli Price (02:07:23.415)
Oh, I said, I actually, uh, was a half wanted to like open the podcast with like, all right, all right, all right. This is the established and shop podcast. But, you know, I didn't want my impression to be so good that they, people got their hopes up that Matthew McConaughey was actually on the podcast. So, you know, I didn't go. Yeah. Matthew McConaughey with a cold, uh, I guess.

Sam (02:07:31.767)
Yeah.

Sam (02:07:35.022)
Thanks for watching!

Sam (02:07:40.532)
Yeah.

Yeah, that's probably for the best that you didn't do that. Yeah.

Sam (02:07:51.671)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:07:52.243)
That's my excuse if my impression was bad. Um, yeah. Yeah. You like McConaughey in this, I assume.

Sam (02:07:57.125)
Yeah.

Sam (02:08:01.29)
Yeah, I do. I do. I think it's perfect. I think he just nails it. I think it's one of his best performances. And it's just so, so good.

Eli Price (02:08:12.611)
I agree. It might be his best performance. Yeah.

Sam (02:08:18.354)
Yeah, yeah, it's really good. Big fan.

Eli Price (02:08:21.167)
Um, yeah, he, so like, I, I have to like, wonder, like, what is his process for like crying because like, man, does he look good crying on camera? Like, how do you get like that? How do you nail that down? I just like, I'm so curious. Like.

Sam (02:08:43.362)
I don't know, man. He's a master at, you know, I just think he's a fantastic actor in general. And it's interesting, because I've listened to a few interviews with him before and sort of how he transitioned away from just, because he was just the rom-com guy for so long. And like, I think he took quite a few years off because he was just like, I'm not doing.

Eli Price (02:08:46.937)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:08:51.667)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (02:09:02.194)
Right.

Eli Price (02:09:09.334)
Mm-hmm.

Sam (02:09:12.022)
rom-coms anymore. And everybody's like, oh yeah, sure, okay. But like, sure enough, like he was kind of reinventing himself and like, he's just like, man, he has done some great, great stuff. And I think this is, this is one of his best films.

Eli Price (02:09:13.585)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:09:26.533)
Oh yeah.

Eli Price (02:09:29.807)
Yeah, for sure. Yeah. And he, he just feels like the, he feels like the kind of guy that like would feel like in all about just like everyday stuff. And so like you put a black hole in front of him and it's like, man, you're really going to get like a guy that's like, wow. Yeah. Like that sort of thing. Yeah. He's. Yeah. And about everything like.

Sam (02:09:50.246)
Yeah, well, he's so enthusiastic about life.

Yeah, but...

Eli Price (02:09:58.019)
Even like mundane stuff, it seems.

Sam (02:10:01.35)
Yeah, and like even just the cornfield scene of, you know, he and his kids chasing down the drone and you know, like he's just, he just, he has a lot of optimism and just wonder about his character, I think, and I think that's, you know, part of, I think, what draws you into his, to his character and, you know, really has you rooting for him.

Eli Price (02:10:08.535)
Oh yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (02:10:15.154)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:10:18.788)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (02:10:25.827)
Yeah. And I think that comes out of just like his personality, like who he, who he isn't like naturally. That's like, that's the impression I get like when I watch him in interviews, he just seems like, yeah.

Sam (02:10:33.043)
Yeah.

Sam (02:10:37.266)
Yeah, yeah, he's, he has a sort of magnetic quality. I think it's like in real life. And then, obviously, I think in this, in this, in this movie as well, in this character. So yeah, it's, and it's, there's something real understated, I think about him, because he's got that Texas draw in the movie, and

Eli Price (02:10:43.632)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (02:10:53.795)
Right, yeah.

Eli Price (02:11:04.13)
Mm-hmm.

Sam (02:11:07.079)
Uh, he, he just like, you don't expect him to be this like rocket scientist. You know what I mean? Like, you're like, oh, like he's, it just seems like, you know, he's just kind of this rancher guy, but yet he can like do all this crazy stuff with. Yeah. So there's, yeah, there's that sort of like unexpected talent, I guess that he has.

Eli Price (02:11:11.823)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:11:21.387)
Yeah. But yeah, he's, he hates farming.

Sam (02:11:35.566)
for flying ships and just doing really smart math stuff, which is kind of cool.

Eli Price (02:11:40.39)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:11:45.231)
Yeah. Yeah, I really like him. I think Anne Hathaway is good in this movie.

Eli Price (02:11:53.748)
So she's like...

So in Dark Knight Rises, I think she's like, has an incredible performance in that movie. I think she might be my favorite performance in that whole movie. In this one, I feel like she's just like fine. It seems like...

Sam (02:12:14.23)
Well, her character is quite cold, I think, if I recall.

Eli Price (02:12:16.547)
Yeah, yeah, she's, she is, but she's also like, she has these very like vulnerable emotional moments. I don't know, there's something about it that like, doesn't quite work fully for me, but it's not, it's not like, I don't know, this is just like a slight nitpick maybe. It doesn't really like ruin the character or anything for me. It's just like, sometimes I'm like

Sam (02:12:44.245)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:12:45.967)
She's really putting it on strong in a way that like probably putting it on as strong as Matthew McConaughey is in some scenes, but like not quite fully selling it as well as he does. And maybe it's just that, maybe it's just that comparison of seeing him do it. And seeing her do it, which like maybe in a different movie with a different character, you know, she would, maybe it would flip flop and she would be the one doing it better, but.

Sam (02:13:00.91)
Yeah.

You're awesome.

Sam (02:13:07.787)
Yeah.

Sam (02:13:11.854)
Well, and I feel like too, you're also meant to, like you have so much more invested in McConaughey's character as well. So it's like she's sort of the relatively new character. And so I think you're maybe not supposed to really be sold as much.

Eli Price (02:13:18.395)
That's true. Yeah.

Eli Price (02:13:23.8)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (02:13:33.359)
Yeah. One of the funny things to me about this is like imagining, uh, like being a kid and being Timothy Chalamet and then like waking up one day and you look like Casey Affleck instead. It's like, well, how did that happen? Like, how'd you go from this guy to this guy? Um, I just thought that's funny. Yeah.

Sam (02:13:52.866)
It's like, wow. Yeah, that's...

Sam (02:13:57.438)
Yeah, I forgot that it was Timothy Shelby was the kid.

Eli Price (02:14:00.879)
Yeah, it's one of his like first roles ever. Um, here.

Sam (02:14:04.87)
Yeah, that's why I don't even know that I realized it was him, even the last time I watched it.

Eli Price (02:14:09.319)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Uh, Tennessee, uh, and then Mackenzie Foy plays the young mirth and I think she's like so good. Um, because, because you're really like building the emotional foundation between her and McConaughey as, you know, Cooper and Murph in that first part of the movie and like, it's done so well. Yeah, it is. It carries you through the whole movie and even like.

Sam (02:14:21.223)
Yeah, she's great.

Sam (02:14:31.463)
Yeah.

Sam (02:14:35.062)
That's what carries you through. Yeah.

Eli Price (02:14:40.675)
Jessica Chastain is like really great here too, I think. And I love her as an actress, but like without that performance of like the young birth, like it wouldn't work. Like it's still like so dependent on that. Yeah.

Sam (02:14:56.062)
Right, right. Yeah, it's all based on that original relationship.

Eli Price (02:15:03.495)
Yeah. And I've heard some like people complain about like the character building, like really Cooper is the only character and maybe Murph a little bit. Um, the really like actually fully developed character, um, and the character building is bad. And I'm just like, I don't, I kind of understand that take, but also like, I feel like the character building in that first part of the movie is so strong that you really don't have to do a whole lot the rest of the movie for

for character because like even like Amelia, like Anne Hathaway's Dr. Brand, like you get everything you really need to know about her by like her interactions with the young Murph at NASA and her like interactions with Cooper when you know at NASA like you kind of like everything you really need to know about her like is built in that first like opening section.

Sam (02:15:33.043)
No.

Sam (02:15:54.492)
Yeah.

Sam (02:16:01.759)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:16:02.855)
So I don't know, I kind of get that complaint, but at the same time, I kind of disagree with it.

Sam (02:16:10.778)
Yeah, I would disagree with it. I mean, I think the character building is, I think, is spot on. And I think the ones that the attention and the focus of the characters is on the right ones, you know, and it's obvious that you can like the ones who have less character building, like, there's just not a need for them to be, I don't think. And so like, I just think that's, that would kind of be wasted time.

Eli Price (02:16:23.059)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:16:35.663)
Yeah, for sure.

Eli Price (02:16:40.911)
Yeah, Matt Damon, famously like not credited on the movie, kind of like a surprise appearance when it first came out. But I think he's really great in it also.

Sam (02:16:51.146)
Oh yeah. Forget about that. Yeah, he's so like, yeah, he's fantastic. Yeah, and it's like his character is interesting too.

Eli Price (02:17:00.975)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:17:06.055)
for sure. And yeah, he I've heard before. I want to say is Josh Larson from the film spotting podcast was saying like he likes he really likes Matt Damon and Leo DiCaprio when they're playing like Weasley guys kind of the most. And so like he really liked him as Dr. Man in this movie because he is kind of playing that like

Sam (02:17:26.002)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:17:34.815)
Weasley kind of like deceptive character. Um, Oh yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah. Well, I mean, there's a ton of like names in this, like John Lithgow, um, as the, the father-in-law, Ellen Burston as the old Murph, you have Topher Grace in this movie. Um, yeah.

Sam (02:17:36.85)
Oh yeah. He's like, I'm just trying to get off this rock.

Sam (02:17:57.694)
Yeah, I'd forgotten about that.

Eli Price (02:18:05.067)
a great actor. He's the school principal. He's in it for like three minutes, you know? And so like, I mean, to pull a guy like him just to like be in the movie for three minutes is crazy. But yeah, great cast. Yeah, I really enjoy the cast. And I think, I mean, I think really like Matthew McConaughey, like if it was, if he was the only good thing,

Sam (02:18:09.986)
Oh yeah!

Sam (02:18:19.05)
That's wild.

Eli Price (02:18:32.155)
good cast member in this movie, it would be worth it to me, because he's so good.

Sam (02:18:35.11)
Yeah, for sure. Well, Michael Kane, you know, he's. He's always.

Eli Price (02:18:39.511)
Michael Caine is great too, yeah. And it's funny because like in most Nolan movies, he's kind of like the emotional backbone. And in this movie, like he kind of tricks you because he feels like he's being that again, but like he's actually the like lying deceptive one in this one. So it was kind of like a trick, an actor casting trick. Yeah, yeah. He did. Rage, rage.

Sam (02:18:50.803)
Yeah.

Sam (02:18:57.002)
Yeah. Oh, it was. It was. And he tricked us all.

Sam (02:19:09.335)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:19:09.415)
can stop. Imagine like being Murph, older Murph and like trying to know like if your dad abandoned you on purpose, and then he's saying the stupid poem again, you're like shut up with the poem, like tell me if my dad left me on purpose or not. Yeah, yeah, she's like generally like, did he know? Did he know? And he's like quoting this poem again.

Sam (02:19:29.246)
Yeah, did he know?

uh

Eli Price (02:19:38.811)
I just thought that was like, so it was kind of comical to me in my, I guess, weird sense of humor. But yeah, I guess like getting into just like some key things in this movie, one of the things that I think this movie does so well is these like kind of cross cutting montages that it does.

Sam (02:19:40.823)
Yeah.

Sam (02:19:47.489)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:20:07.235)
I think the first time it happens masterfully really is after Cooper has had his goodbye with Murph, well, lack thereof, but it's this cross-cutting of him leaving the farmhouse and driving away.

with the camera mounted on the side of the truck looking back at the house. It's cross-cutting between that and the launch of the rocket for them to go on their mission. And it's really just this genius way of making that transition. Because I feel like most movies would spend all this time with, oh, they're training and they're preparing for their mission and all this.

Sam (02:20:36.629)
Yeah.

Sam (02:20:44.04)
Yeah.

Sam (02:20:59.477)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:21:01.079)
And they're like, no, forget that. We're going to use this as like this kind of like symbolic, um, like meta, yeah. Yeah.

Sam (02:21:09.374)
Well, yeah, and it's also it's another like sort of emotional bomb that no one's dropping, you know, it's like, yeah, he's leaving the farm, but then he's also like, leaving the planet.

Eli Price (02:21:16.131)
Exactly, yeah.

Eli Price (02:21:22.095)
Yeah. It's this like, and it's like, you hear the countdown as he's like driving away and it's like cross cutting between the rocket launching and the truck driving away and it's counting down and it's just like, it's like, man, this is like whoever came up with this idea is like, that's genius. Like, cause it's so powerful, um, emotionally, um, because it makes

Sam (02:21:31.198)
Yeah, yeah, that's really...

Sam (02:21:42.089)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:21:49.263)
It makes his driving away in the truck even that much more like, it gives it that much more gravity, uh, because you know, it you're also like blasting off in a rocket into, into the depths of space. You know, uh,

Sam (02:21:59.031)
Yeah.

Sam (02:22:04.118)
Yeah.

Sam (02:22:07.486)
Well, and you keep like, I can't remember like, she never comes out of the house, does she?

Eli Price (02:22:14.707)
She does when he's like too far away, she runs out. But he's already like.

Sam (02:22:17.902)
Okay, yeah, yeah. But yeah, you keep I feel like you're kind of anticipating that in the beginning, you know, boy, yeah, what a

Eli Price (02:22:24.427)
Mm hmm. Yeah. And you get the close ups. I think it's the first like crying. The kind of hey face you get and it's like, man, it gets me.

Sam (02:22:32.383)
Yeah.

Sam (02:22:36.81)
Oh dude, cause I watched this when it came out and didn't have kids then, but then we watched it again like maybe, I think it's been within the last year maybe, and it is like boy, when you, like having kids and watching this movie is like an entirely different trip than if you don't have kids and watch it and it's just like, man, does it get you right in the gut.

Eli Price (02:22:57.063)
Mm-hmm Yeah

Eli Price (02:23:04.407)
It is. Yeah. And it, it got me in the gut back in 2014 when I was still single. And it like now when I watch it, it's like, man, it gets

Sam (02:23:07.305)
uh

Sam (02:23:13.894)
Yeah. Yo, no, it's...

Sam (02:23:18.646)
But it's just like 10X, whatever you felt the first time. You know, it's, yeah, it's like, whoa.

Eli Price (02:23:22.566)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:23:27.607)
Yeah. And it really is this, I think it's so powerful because it gets at this thing that like, I think maybe parents don't express a whole lot. And it's that, that feeling of having this pool within your heart of these like grand things that you want to do and accomplish. And

and feel like you're made to do. And then like, but at the same time, having your heart pulled toward like investing everything in your kids. And it's this like, it's just, you know, you have to make these compromises in your life of like how, like how much time do I invest here and how much here like.

Sam (02:24:08.583)
Yeah.

Sam (02:24:24.55)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:24:24.551)
Um, it's this like struggle like that really is like it's, it's in every parent of like, what, what is like my grand desire and thing that I feel like is my purpose in life. And then you have kids and it's like, you have, now you have kind of two purposes and you're, you're kind of poop, you, you feel a lot pulled in two directions. Um, and you know,

Sam (02:24:43.789)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:24:51.599)
And I think it doesn't get talked about and expressed a lot because you kind of feel guilty for saying like, I don't want to invest everything, every ounce of my being into my kids because you actually do. But you also like want to invest every part of your being into this calling that you feel made to do. And it's this like, I don't know. And I think Nolan understands that so well. Um, and.

Sam (02:25:06.242)
Yeah.

Sam (02:25:11.646)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:25:21.76)
That really is part of the emotional core of this movie.

Sam (02:25:25.618)
Yeah. And I think you see that in like his working title of Flora's letter. Then it's like, yeah, of course, as a filmmaker at his level, like he's going to be feeling that. And like, I'm sure it probably feels like, like I've never made a feature film, but I would think it probably feels like being on a different planet for six months or eight months or however long.

Eli Price (02:25:31.379)
Yeah, yeah.

Eli Price (02:25:38.616)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (02:25:52.42)
Yeah.

Sam (02:25:53.158)
it takes to make it and post-production and like you're consumed with it for a huge chunk of time and you're missing out you know on your family that whole time and so I think especially in that context it I think it's very relatable this sort of like you feel like you've blasted off into another planet um you know

Eli Price (02:25:59.446)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (02:26:06.564)
for sure, yeah.

Sam (02:26:19.606)
Thankfully, you know, the filmmakers do get to go back to their families before they age too much. But yeah, that is true. I mean, I think that's a struggle. I think that every parent has to navigate, you know, and yeah, it's not easy.

Eli Price (02:26:23.596)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (02:26:41.923)
Yeah, I think it works so well too in the context of the film because what he's doing is both like leaving his daughter behind but also like giving her a future at the same time. It's this like weird dilemma of emotional of like emotions like if I stay, I can be with my daughter but she will maybe won't have a future.

Sam (02:26:56.971)
Yeah.

Sam (02:27:08.383)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:27:09.051)
but if I leave, I don't get to be with my daughter, but maybe she'll have a future. It's like, oh, yeah, it doesn't. Right, and that's what he tells Brand in space. She's like, you know, couldn't you just tell her that you were going to save the world? And he says, no, like, because then that means like, I'm having to tell my daughter, like, the world is ending and I want her to feel safe.

Sam (02:27:12.402)
Yeah, well, it's horrible. Yeah. Well, and the daughter, of course, the daughter doesn't care. She's like, I don't care about that. I just stay like.

Eli Price (02:27:39.003)
Like, um, and yeah, there's, and then like, there's the, the lines about like being the, uh, once you become a parent, you're the ghost of your children's future is just like, uh, really like such great writing, like, um, like, uh, really powerful. There's a lot of like really powerful lines in this movie that are so well written. Yeah.

Sam (02:27:39.378)
Yeah.

Sam (02:27:55.935)
Yeah.

Sam (02:28:03.39)
Yeah, we used to stare at the stars and now we just look at the dirt or however it goes. Yeah, there's some really great lines, for sure.

Eli Price (02:28:09.103)
Yeah. Great line. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. And, uh, I did write down to another like cross-cutting sequence where it had, where you have like man, Dr. Man and Cooper fighting on the ice planet. You're like cross-cutting between that and then Murph trying to save, um, uh, her brothers, like wife and kids, uh, by like burning the corn to distract Tom and, uh,

Sam (02:28:25.171)
Yeah.

Sam (02:28:33.597)
Yeah.

Sam (02:28:38.228)
Yeah, yeah.

Eli Price (02:28:39.339)
Yeah, and it's just like, it's so purposeful. It's not just like to be efficient with your like filmmaking, but it's like so purposeful because you have these two instances of people fighting against not just a person, but a way of thinking to like to save humanity, like to push like, in one case, like it's like all of humanity.

Sam (02:28:59.764)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:29:07.939)
And in the other case, it's just this very personal, like these three people. Um, and it, it kind of shows like how both are important, um, to what the cross-cutting between those two. Cause Cooper is, is fighting against this way of thinking to save, you know, the grand scale of humankind. And she's fighting against her brother's way of thinking to just save his wife.

Sam (02:29:12.5)
Yeah.

Sam (02:29:22.037)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:29:35.563)
and one kid, these two people. And both are equally as important, which I think the cross-cut editing kind of emphasizes in a way, which is kind of like moviemaking magic sort of stuff, like the sort of storytelling that you really can really emphasize in a movie that is hard to do in other art forms, I guess.

Sam (02:29:37.443)
Yeah.

Sam (02:29:41.602)
Yeah.

Sam (02:29:45.996)
Yeah.

Sam (02:29:53.544)
Yeah.

Sam (02:30:04.298)
Yeah, I think that's what's so great about moviemaking is you can tell stories in those kinds of ways. Like it's just such a fascinating tool for storytelling that you can do things like those cross cuts where you're like, you're letting the audience know something without telling them. And I think a lot of times that, a lot of those things get missed, I think. But...

Eli Price (02:30:11.76)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (02:30:16.536)
Absolutely.

Eli Price (02:30:23.993)
Right.

Eli Price (02:30:29.143)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. And a lot of times, like, if you're watching it, you're, you know, Nolan even says about this movie, like, figuring out all the science stuff isn't that important. It's just, it's about the experience and experiencing the movie. And, you know, I think a lot even like this emotional and like thematic stuff, a lot of times, like, it's just kind of like washing over you. Like, you're not necessarily like thinking about that in the moment.

Sam (02:30:44.034)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:30:58.939)
but you feel it in the moment. And I think that's what's important. And that's what, yeah.

Sam (02:31:01.939)
Yeah.

Sam (02:31:05.271)
But I think...

I think what's like the thing about the movie is not so much like all the technicalities and like what does a black hole actually do? And like you can like you kind of like you need to accept that like hey this is a projection of what somebody thinks could happen. Move on and realize that the more important thing is like all those emotions that you're feeling.

Eli Price (02:31:21.209)
Yeah, yeah.

Eli Price (02:31:30.649)
Right.

Sam (02:31:37.382)
in that journey that they're trying to take you on. And I think he just, he nails all that. And I think that's where the heart of the film is.

Eli Price (02:31:37.585)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (02:31:41.362)
Yeah.

Yeah, because when you, yeah, and when you finish this movie, like you're really not thinking about like, Oh, how cool was that black hole? How cool did that look? Like you really are left thinking about like, um, those emotional things, like the connection of him and his daughter. Yeah.

Sam (02:32:00.69)
Yeah, that really, I mean, all you think about is that. Yeah. All you're thinking about is him and his daughter and just how gut wrenching that whole thing is.

Eli Price (02:32:06.713)
Yeah.

Yeah, absolutely. I do. I still do think it's like it is interesting to think through like all the paradoxes of, you know, well, who are the future humans? Like, are they? How would the future humans be there to like, give them this wormhole if like, they weren't like humanity wasn't saved in the first place. And it's kind of like these like time paradox stuff, like that's all fun to think about. But ultimately, like

Sam (02:32:35.201)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:32:39.639)
isn't like the focus or that like all that important to if the film works or not. To me anyway. Yeah, there we've already really kind of talked about some of the common critiques of this. Like, you know, a lot of the people, a lot of people think that the exposition is too much. I think it works because to me like

Sam (02:32:41.903)
Right.

Sam (02:32:46.248)
Yeah, yeah.

Eli Price (02:33:09.079)
all the science exposition in the film kind of helps you like fill the stakes. Um, and then like bringing it all back around to like the theme of love and the movie to like, I don't know, it works for me yet. If it doesn't work for someone, I guess, like it doesn't work. Like it, there's not really anything you can do about that. Like.

Sam (02:33:33.206)
Yeah. Sorry.

Eli Price (02:33:35.891)
There's the people that are like, Oh, don't tell me, show me. And it's like, well, like, you, what do you, how do you expect them to show you all this, like these scientific theories, like they have to explain it, you know? Um, and like a science, that's what scientists like to do anyway. They like to explain their theories. So like it's still as true to reality in that way. Yeah. Um,

Sam (02:33:47.593)
Yeah.

Sam (02:33:50.823)
Yeah.

Sam (02:34:02.098)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:34:05.271)
Yeah. Just like, I don't know, is there anything like that you, that when you think about this movie thematically that like, really like stands out to you? Um, like when you reflect on interstellar, what is it like, what is the theme that like really resonates and like last in your mind?

Sam (02:34:20.514)
Well, I was-

Sam (02:34:30.506)
think like obviously love and like that parental love that just sort of spans the gulf of space and time you know like that's obviously one I think the other one though is

Eli Price (02:34:32.794)
Right, yeah.

Eli Price (02:34:36.751)
Mm-hmm.

Sam (02:34:49.952)
uh this idea i think of like

Sam (02:34:55.698)
isolation. So like with man, Dr. Man's character, and just how self-absorbed he becomes. And I think, you know, potentially any one of us would become, or were we in his situation. It's like, okay, in some ways can't blame the guy. And yeah, so like you just sort of see like the best and

Eli Price (02:34:57.767)
Hmm.

Eli Price (02:35:10.264)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:35:17.019)
Yeah.

Sam (02:35:25.938)
in this movie. And yeah.

Eli Price (02:35:26.567)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. And it's funny because you can kind of compare him and Gyasi's character who plays Romilly, I think is his name in the movie, the black actor that's the scientist on the Endurance. He's the one that's like up on the ship for 23 years while they're on the water planet for like an hour. And he...

Sam (02:35:44.719)
Oh yeah, yeah.

Sam (02:35:49.214)
Right.

Eli Price (02:35:55.963)
Like he's been up there for 23 years and like, but he's not as like ecotistical, obviously as Dr. Mann was like, so Dr. Mann's like on his planet scheming to like, uh, you know, commandeer, whoever comes to save him ship and like leave them for dead and yeah, like Romilly's up there, like for his 23 years, like he's like, well,

Sam (02:36:07.274)
Yeah.

Sam (02:36:12.029)
Yeah.

Sam (02:36:18.728)
Right.

Eli Price (02:36:25.511)
I didn't want to sleep my life away. So I got all this data from the black hole. And like, he just wasn't like an egotistical guy. And so like what he did at time was different. So that's an interesting contrast that like what you were saying made me think of.

Sam (02:36:31.191)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Sam (02:36:38.91)
Yeah, well just the idea of isolation and what does that do to people? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Eli Price (02:36:43.514)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah. What does it bring out in you? You know?

Eli Price (02:36:51.583)
Um, and like, I think too, like both of those are not like self-imposed isolations necessarily, like obviously they made choices that led to that, that they knew was possible. But like one, I think hope is a big factor too, cause I think Dr. Mann had just like lost hope for really like saving humanity and like.

Sam (02:37:04.808)
Yeah.

Sam (02:37:10.08)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:37:20.547)
You know, Romilly's up there and he's just like, you know, he, he seems to have like still trying to hold on to hope that they were going to come back, you know, sort of thing. I think that maybe comes into play too.

Sam (02:37:31.475)
Yeah.

Sam (02:37:35.359)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:37:37.788)
But yeah.

Sam (02:37:37.866)
Yeah, I mean, it is a real hopeful. Um, despite all the sadness, I mean, it is a hopeful movie.

Eli Price (02:37:45.648)
Yeah, I would say it's Nolan's most hopeful movie of all of his movies. And it's one of those things where it's definitely a sci-fi movie, but doesn't feel a whole lot like, other than all the space stuff, doesn't feel like a sci-fi movie to me. Because my...

Sam (02:38:06.655)
Right.

Eli Price (02:38:10.707)
my style of sci-fi that I love is like way more open-ended and this is like very like tightly packaged like um with the ending and everything like there's no question of what is what happened like I mean obviously you don't know exactly like how things are going to end up but it's pretty like it's tightly packaged and like with a bow on top as you can get with the ending of a sci-fi movie

Sam (02:38:18.857)
Yeah.

Sam (02:38:22.569)
Yeah.

Sam (02:38:36.279)
Yeah.

Oh, for sure. For sure.

Eli Price (02:38:40.463)
Um, which, with some sci-fi movies would like frustrate me. Like I would be like, no, this, I like the open ended stuff. Um, which I do with a lot of sci-fi, but, um, but yeah, with this one, it just works for me on kind of all, all levels for some reason. Um, um, yeah. Uh, one of the things I had written down was like,

Sam (02:38:51.117)
Yeah.

Sam (02:39:01.234)
Yeah, no, me too.

Eli Price (02:39:09.703)
the desire and need to like explore and then the cost of that. Um, I think it's talked about some in the movie and, uh, it's, uh, Nolan, like one of the things I ran across was Nolan talking about wanting to push back on this, like earthbound technology that makes our lives easier. So no one like notoriously like has like no email address and no cell phone. And, um,

Sam (02:39:14.9)
Hmm.

Sam (02:39:18.839)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:39:40.215)
And he's like, he, he tries to push back on just like these, he, like, I like that idea of earthbound technologies. Like he's trying to push back on that. And he's trying to like, instead like inspire individuals to like push boundaries of what we can do and where we can go and that sort of thing. And I thought that was like an interesting thing to think about. Like that's definitely like there in this movie.

And I think Emma Thomas, his wife and the producer was one of the things she was saying was like, she hopes kids will like see this movie and, you know, be inspired to like travel in space and stuff or like, you know, or at least like be inspired to like push the boundaries of what we can do sort of thing. Uh, which I think is cool thing to be thinking of when you're making a movie, I guess. Um, yeah.

Sam (02:40:08.694)
Yeah.

Sam (02:40:29.762)
Yeah.

Sam (02:40:37.138)
Oh, for sure.

Eli Price (02:40:39.371)
love as like an interdimensional force is definitely like, I think the big thing in this movie. It's like the core of everything going on. Which I really think it's cool, like, because at one point, I think Brand is saying something. She's expressing like, well, love is quantifiable and observable. And I was like thinking about that. And I was like, she's kind of right.

Sam (02:40:46.215)
Yeah.

Sam (02:40:50.07)
Oh, totally.

Eli Price (02:41:08.771)
you can scientifically observe love because you can observe it and like, quantify it to a certain degree of like, because at the end of the day, like love is the choices you make and like where your focus lies and what you invest your time in and in a way, like it is like quantifiable, like to a certain degree, but then there's like,

Sam (02:41:33.576)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:41:37.335)
I think there's like this question of like, is love like this scientific law that's like beyond our understanding? And I think in that way, like that mixed with like this grand organ score, like recorded in a church makes this like probably Nolan's most like religious or spiritual or transcendent movie I guess you could say.

Sam (02:41:57.716)
Yeah.

Sam (02:42:06.132)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:42:06.807)
Um, like I, uh, I don't think Nolan's like all that religious himself. Um, but this movie is definitely his most like, I would say like religious or transcendent or however you want to put it for sure. Uh, and, uh, yeah, it's, it's one of those things where like most of Nolan's movies are like head first heart second, and then this movie comes along and he, he kind of like.

Sam (02:42:22.986)
Yeah, I would agree. I would definitely agree with that.

Sam (02:42:33.133)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:42:36.719)
readjusts on that a little bit and kind of says well, yeah, maybe head first heart second, but the head should be like serving the heart

Sam (02:42:45.694)
Yeah, yeah. Well, this is mostly heart. I feel like I mean.

Eli Price (02:42:50.031)
Yeah, it is. Yeah. And it even plays out like in the plot when they're deciding on what planet to go to. Because Cooper like pushes back on Brand wanting to go to Dr. I think it's Wolf or something like that, his planet, because he feels like, oh, she's just making the emotional decision. We need to make the head decision. Well, in that case, like the head decision was wrong and the emotional one was right. So it's, he's kind of like

Sam (02:42:59.168)
Right.

Sam (02:43:10.773)
Yeah.

Sam (02:43:17.932)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:43:19.411)
pushing back on, I guess maybe some of his, even his own tendencies maybe, at least in his filmmaking of like, making things to head first, heart second. But yeah, I really do like that idea of the head serving the heart in a way. Because I think we are.

Sam (02:43:26.847)
Yeah.

Sam (02:43:32.674)
Yeah.

Sam (02:43:45.847)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:43:50.059)
We, you know, we have these different parts of who we are as humans and our mind and our heart can be like at odds sometimes and work together sometimes. But yeah, I think there's a, there's a degree to which like a lot of Nolan's movies kind of have pushed back on the over emotionalization of society. And I think this is his movie of like showing.

Sam (02:44:01.687)
Yeah.

Sam (02:44:16.878)
for sure.

Eli Price (02:44:19.143)
But hey, I have a heart too. You know, yeah. Yeah, for sure. Really.

Sam (02:44:22.479)
Yeah, I too am human.

Sam (02:44:31.179)
I need to grab my power cable. Give me just a second.

Eli Price (02:44:34.415)
Yeah, no worries. Sure.

Eli Price (02:45:17.267)
Cool.

Yeah, I'm actually going to probably just jump into final thoughts. And then we can.

Sam (02:45:26.316)
Okay.

Eli Price (02:45:29.847)
either take a quick break or jump right into the draft or whatever. We can decide when we get there. But yeah, I'll do a quick audio break and jump back in.

Sam (02:45:35.438)
Let's go for it.

Eli Price (02:45:44.599)
Yeah, just getting the final thoughts. I always like to do just kind of a final thought or takeaway that I was thinking about after watching the movie. And I was thinking about that final scene with McConaughey and old Murph, Cooper and Murph friendly reunited. And it was like, it's this instance where like, you kind of like,

You want to sit there for a while with them. Um, and then she's like, no, you've got to go. And he'll, he's kind of just like, okay. Um, you know, I guess you're right. Sort of thing. And like, no, I want another, like 30 minutes of movie with them, you know, reuniting. Um, and I was just thinking about that and like,

Sam (02:46:15.692)
Yeah.

Sam (02:46:32.449)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:46:37.075)
I don't know, like, I was just thinking about, so like there's, when he first wakes up and when he's come back out of the black hole, I guess like the future humans like spit him back out of the black hole, I guess. And yeah, he's floating there and you know, gets picked up by the station and you know, he's.

Sam (02:46:53.496)
Movie magic.

Eli Price (02:47:03.983)
You know, Murph has worked out all the equations that he was able to send from the black hole and the tesseract, which I think is a really cool, like it's not really a twist, but it is kind of like a, I guess more of like a aha moment. Like, ah, he was the ghost, which is really cool when it, you know, harkens back to that line of like, you know, when you become a parent, you're now like a ghost of your children's future sort of thing.

Sam (02:47:20.202)
Yeah.

Sam (02:47:24.158)
I think it's really cool, yeah.

Eli Price (02:47:33.943)
Um, and I was just like reflecting on, on all of that and, um, how like, you know, he wakes up and he's like, Oh, you know, wow. And they're like, yeah, this is Cooper station. He's like, Oh, you know, they named it after me. And he's like, no, this is named after Murph Cooper. And like, there's this like moment where you can kind of see on my kind of haste face. There's like.

Sam (02:47:33.965)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:48:02.575)
like a very, like a millisecond of disappointment. And then like it all like that gets washed over with like pride, which is something that like, you can really only fully understand like being a parent is like the pride of seeing like, knowing that your child has like accomplished something really like incredible is like really in it. And it like.

Sam (02:48:11.533)
Yeah.

Sam (02:48:18.006)
Yeah.

Sam (02:48:25.011)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:48:29.143)
It really does like in his expression wash away like, and just like decimates that feeling of disappointment that you can kind of see for half a second, you know. Um, and it's just that idea of like every, everything we do, every little decision we make being so vital and important for just like.

Sam (02:48:40.083)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:48:55.983)
our kids, but future generations in general. And like, it's like this thing that's like, very like weighty and like astronomical responsibility can feel like if you think about it too much. But like, I don't know, just like at the same time, even like the mistakes.

Sam (02:49:14.89)
Oh yeah.

Eli Price (02:49:23.719)
that you make, like, obviously, like, when he's in the Tesseract, he just, like, wishes he could be back and stay and not go. And to him, that feels like a mistake, but also, like, it was so vitally important. And I think that's why that, like, just very short moment between Cooper and the older

Eli Price (02:49:52.555)
unspoken understanding there of all that. It's like this moment of forgiveness and reconciliation and pride and it all goes back to that loving connection that exceeds space and time.

Sam (02:49:58.465)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:50:19.307)
And like, it's just, it really is like a beautiful, powerful moment where like, the child like knows that like all of the, all of the hurt and confusion was worth it in the end and like him knowing the same thing and then being able to like look at each other and understand that. Um, um, and I think that is something you struggle with as a parent, like

Sam (02:50:19.649)
Yeah.

Sam (02:50:41.258)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:50:48.323)
What am I instilling in my children? Like the good and the bad. And like, will they thank me and like, be like proud of me for the good and will they be able to forgive me for the bad? It's like, I don't know. I think about that stuff like constantly, you know? And...

Sam (02:50:55.007)
Yeah.

Sam (02:51:12.71)
Oh yeah.

Eli Price (02:51:16.859)
like to have that moment with your child who's like now like older and wiser than you are, which is a whole nother thing. Like sometimes my, sometimes my four year old says stuff and you're like, wow, you're like more wise than I am, you know, already.

Sam (02:51:24.746)
Yeah, it's that trip.

Sam (02:51:35.082)
Yeah, four year olds can be shockingly insightful. Yeah, I've experienced that.

Eli Price (02:51:38.595)
Yeah, for sure. Yeah. And so I think there's a whole lot packed into that short moment. That is so powerful and inspiring and just like, it really does instill hope in my heart that even all the mistakes can be turned to good.

Sam (02:51:51.17)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:52:08.127)
and like.

Sam (02:52:08.797)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:52:12.015)
Yeah, I just really like that moment. It gave me hope that, it gives you hope for human, not just like, it's that juxtaposition of a hope for humanity in general, but also a hope for you and your family specifically. So yeah, I just love that.

Sam (02:52:31.712)
Yeah.

Sam (02:52:40.094)
Yeah, that's a great. It's such a great ending, I think. I think it's a good way to end the movie. Yeah.

Eli Price (02:52:44.347)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:52:49.463)
Yeah, yeah, and we're gonna end our discussion of Interstellar with it, too.

Sam (02:52:55.454)
Yeah, I think that's a great spot to start.

Eli Price (02:52:58.991)
Yeah. So we already, we already really said like, this is our favorite Nolan film. Uh, so, you know, I, not really much to discuss there. I, I will say Dunkirk. I love Dunkirk. Um, but man, the emotion of this one wins out for me. And yeah. Yeah. I think the emotion in Dunkirk is pretty powerful too, in a different way, but yeah, it's yeah, this one just.

Sam (02:53:07.798)
Yeah.

Sam (02:53:17.882)
Oh yeah, it's like none other, I think.

Sam (02:53:25.874)
Yeah, well this is, I mean, you know, it's like, it's a, in some ways it's a love letter to humanity, but more specifically a love letter to parents, I think. You know, like that parent-child relationship that just, I think he totally nails everything. And it's like, and I think that's what makes it so powerful.

Eli Price (02:53:32.891)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:53:37.219)
Yeah, yeah, sure.

Eli Price (02:53:42.575)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (02:53:50.515)
for sure. Yeah. Well, next week we're going to do Dunkirk. I've mentioned it a few times and I've already recorded that episode and it's going to be a good episode. So excited for everyone to hear that next week. But yeah, we're finishing up Interstellar, my favorite Christopher Nolan movie. It's bittersweet. Moving on from it.

Sam (02:54:18.146)
there.

Eli Price (02:54:19.783)
But yeah, we're gonna take a quick break and we'll be back after the break with a space movies draft. So hang around and we will see you in just a second.

Eli Price (02:54:38.659)
All right, do you need to break or what you feeling? Okay, we can jump back in then. I need to make sure I have my list of movies pulled up.

Sam (02:54:43.562)
No, I'm good. Let's do it.

Eli Price (02:54:56.147)
before we jump in and already have my, okay. I usually like to do between five and seven. I have enough to do, I personally have enough to do seven each, but that's up to you where you would wanna fall.

Sam (02:55:00.822)
How many do we need?

Sam (02:55:08.354)
Okay.

Sam (02:55:14.273)
Okay.

I have eight, but I don't know how many. I just, I had a few extra because in case you steal one of mine. Yeah.

Eli Price (02:55:23.302)
Okay.

We can do five then, that's fine.

I had told, well I won't say it. I'll let it happen in the draft. I'll let things happen in the draft live. It'll be more fun that way. Okay, I'm gonna leave a quick audio break and jump back in.

Sam (02:55:40.241)
Okay.

Eli Price (02:55:54.307)
Hey everyone, welcome back. I'm Eli Price here with Sam Camp, and we just wrapped up our discussion of Interstellar, both of our favorite Nolan films, and maybe your favorite Nolan film too now, I hope. But if not, there's a lot of great ones to choose from. But yeah, I don't have much as far as movie news goes. I am interested to see

Sam (02:56:11.65)
Hopefully.

Eli Price (02:56:23.631)
Uh, Sophia Coppola's new movie Priscilla, which is coming out the weekend. This is releasing. Um, and, uh, I don't know a ton about the movie except that it's directed by Sophia Coppola and it's the Elvis story, but from Priscilla's perspective, which should be interesting, um, especially right after getting an Elvis big, huge Elvis movie. Um,

Sam (02:56:53.437)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:56:53.575)
having this other one. I don't know, it'll be interesting. Have you, have you heard much about this movie or aware of it?

Sam (02:57:02.118)
I've just seen the, yeah, I'm aware of it, but that's about it. Yeah.

Eli Price (02:57:05.047)
Yeah. Yeah, that's kind of how I feel. I don't know much about it other than like what it's about. And I think generally Sofia Coppola makes like pretty good movies. And so, you know, it should be good. But yeah, maybe I'll make it to theaters to see it. I don't know. I don't, it's kind of like hit or miss these days with the young kids of being able to get out.

Sam (02:57:33.144)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:57:34.435)
Uh, but yeah. Um, yeah, but we, not really much other than that, as far as movie news goes. Um, so I think we can just jump right into a draft. Um, and, uh, you know, we discussed interstellar, so it's natural that we should draft, uh, movies in space. Um, I don't think there's any movies actually in space. Um, well, well.

Sam (02:57:46.946)
Let's do it.

Eli Price (02:58:03.571)
But he will see in the draft if there are any movies actually filmed in space. But yeah.

Sam (02:58:10.062)
I know the ISS has done some time lapses. I don't know if they've made it into movies, but...

Eli Price (02:58:13.627)
That's true. Yeah, would that be like considered a short film maybe? Who knows? Yeah. Yeah, I haven't, I don't know that I've seen any of those. I'll have to look that up. That sounds really cool. But yeah, I'm ready to jump in. So usually when I have my guest on for a second time,

Sam (02:58:18.966)
Possibly. Probably.

Sam (02:58:27.858)
Yeah. Yeah, they are really cool.

Eli Price (02:58:43.775)
I, uh, switch it up and I'll go first since, um, so you've, this is your second time on the podcast. So you went first the first time. So I'm going to, uh, take the first pick this time. Unless you're like, no, I must have the first pick. Um, then, you know, I'd be like, well, you're the guest. So I guess you can. Um, yeah.

Sam (02:58:54.766)
Mm-hmm.

Go for it.

Sam (02:59:04.031)
It's all you.

Eli Price (02:59:11.715)
It's really hard. So I feel like there's one movie that I feel like obligated to pick first as a movie in space, but I'm not going to. I'm gonna pick a movie that like had very mixed responses when it came out a few years ago.

And, but I just like absolutely loved and I'm going to pick, uh, James Gray's add Astra with, uh, Brad Pitt and Tommy Lee Jones. I loved that movie. Um,

Sam (02:59:45.826)
Hmm.

Sam (02:59:52.834)
I'll strike that one from my list then.

Eli Price (02:59:59.026)
Well, I'm glad it's comforting to know that you had it on your list too. Because I feel like some people, I feel like it was like a marketing thing. Like they marketed this movie completely wrong to make people think it was like action movie in space. And it's like the opposite of that.

Sam (03:00:04.138)
Yeah.

Sam (03:00:09.483)
Yeah.

Sam (03:00:17.79)
Yeah, I actually I think I saw this one in theaters and I remember really liking it and yeah, so I'm glad you brought it up.

Eli Price (03:00:21.827)
Yeah, I did too.

Sam (03:00:30.421)
It's good.

Eli Price (03:00:30.781)
Yeah, I love the movie. It's another instance of a very personal movie with the huge setting of space.

Sam (03:00:36.65)
Yeah.

Yeah, and just the chase scene on the moon. I remember really liking that. Right. I know, and it's like, oh, it's just about a guy and his dad problems.

Eli Price (03:00:43.043)
Yeah, that's the scene that was marketed. And so that's why people thought it was like an action movie, but that is a good scene.

Eli Price (03:00:53.879)
Yeah, it is. Yeah.

Sam (03:00:57.298)
Yeah, that's great. No, that's good.

Eli Price (03:01:02.072)
Yeah, where are you going to go with your first pick?

Sam (03:01:03.346)
All right, well, I guess I'll just do the obvious and say Interstellar since we just talked about it. Like, I think it's one of the best space movies for obvious reasons.

Eli Price (03:01:16.423)
That's fair.

Eli Price (03:01:21.519)
Yeah, I, I don't ever draft like the movie, um, we're talking about. So, but I'm glad you took it because it'll be good. It'll be good for the people. No, yeah, no, it'll be good for the people to, to see it. Cause there's some people that see the draft like on social media, but don't like listen to the podcast, like they don't have the context of like having just talked for, for like.

Sam (03:01:31.555)
Well, you didn't tell me the rules.

Sam (03:01:38.754)
Good.

Sam (03:01:44.693)
Yeah.

Sam (03:01:49.041)
Yeah, yeah.

Eli Price (03:01:49.743)
hours about interstellar and so like they'll be like oh yeah interstellar or and if it's not on there they're like why is interstellar not on there like well because we just talked about it for yeah um yeah definitely interstellar that's um man

Sam (03:01:58.25)
Well, it's all in their people.

Eli Price (03:02:10.803)
So, yeah, it's tough because...

Sam (03:02:11.219)
All right, where are you gonna go?

Eli Price (03:02:17.967)
We talked about this movie with the other movie and I feel like it has to be taken. Um, and you didn't take it. So I'm going to take it here, I guess, and do 2001, a space Odyssey. Um, yeah, I think it's a, an incredible movie. Um, it holds up. It's, it was so, um,

Sam (03:02:31.758)
Mm-hmm. Someone had to.

Sam (03:02:39.942)
It holds up like we said, I think.

Eli Price (03:02:48.463)
It's so influential. Um, and it has like some interesting ideas too. And just like the audacity to like. Spend like so much camera time, just like making you watch something slowly happen in space, um, and it's still being like engaging, um, is like, you know, all respect to Stanley Kubrick. Um,

Sam (03:02:52.627)
Yeah.

Sam (03:03:11.968)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Sam (03:03:18.355)
Yeah.

Eli Price (03:03:19.003)
Be a 2001 of Space Odyssey is where I'm going.

Sam (03:03:24.386)
Good one, good one. I am then gonna go to something a little more grounded and say Apollo 13, Tom Hanks, I think it was 95 when that came out, but it was just like, I don't know, I think it's a great sort of like reality based space movie, which is, I don't know.

Eli Price (03:03:36.905)
Mm.

Eli Price (03:03:40.339)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (03:03:49.423)
Yeah. And, um, yeah. So this is like the second time in three episodes. Yeah. That that's been drafted. Cause, uh, we did a non, yeah, we did a nonfiction movie adaptations, uh, draft from nonfiction books, um, back on the inception episode to go with the release of killers of the flower moon. And, uh, Elijah drafted Apollo 13 there.

Sam (03:04:01.825)
Oh really?

Sam (03:04:07.016)
Oh.

Sam (03:04:10.106)
Okay.

Sam (03:04:14.006)
That's right.

Eli Price (03:04:19.691)
And I actually like, I have it on my list, but I wasn't gonna draft it because I haven't, I don't think I've seen this movie since I was a kid. And I remember loving it as a kid, but I don't remember it that well. So I was like, well, maybe I'll try to rewatch it before we do the draft, but I just didn't get around to it. So I'm glad you drafted it because I feel like it should be on here, but I didn't feel right drafting it.

Sam (03:04:30.123)
Yeah.

Sam (03:04:38.698)
Yeah.

Eli Price (03:04:47.471)
because I hadn't seen it in forever and couldn't really remember a whole lot about it.

Sam (03:04:51.406)
Yeah, I don't think I've seen it in forever either, but that didn't stop me from drafting it, so.

Eli Price (03:04:55.943)
Yeah, I'm glad you did. Yeah, I am have a few directions I can go. But I think I'm going to go ahead and pick.

Eli Price (03:05:14.851)
Yep, I'm gonna go with Ridley Scott's Alien, the first Alien movie. I think it's an incredible movie.

Sam (03:05:21.15)
Yeah.

Sam (03:05:26.21)
I'm pretty sure we have like the same list and we're just seeing who can get to which ones first.

Eli Price (03:05:33.003)
I guess so. I mean the best space movies I guess are just the best space movies. I guess that's just how it goes. Yeah, I can get I can get a little bit more out there on my next picks to maybe help you out, but we'll see. Where you going next?

Sam (03:05:37.874)
I know. There's nothing you can do about it. Yeah.

Sam (03:05:47.198)
No, that's okay. That's okay. I think what I'll do is another sort of quasi reality based and that's The Martian with Matt Damon. I just I really liked that movie. I thought it was cool. I thought it was. Is it? Yeah, that you're right. There you go. Ridley Scott for the win.

Eli Price (03:06:02.138)
Okay, yeah.

Eli Price (03:06:06.679)
Also Ridley Scott.

Uh huh, two Ridley Scots in a row.

Sam (03:06:17.81)
Yeah, great movie. And you know, it's one of those that's like, how interesting can a movie about a guy stuck on Mars be? But turns out it's, it's pretty entertaining. And I think it's kind of, I think it's, I think I just think it's a kind of a neat space movie. So, technically, I guess.

Eli Price (03:06:28.051)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (03:06:35.311)
Yeah. I'm pretty sure it came out the year after interstellar, if I'm not mistaken. Interstellar was 2014. I think the Martian was 2015. Um, which makes two Matt Damon in space movies in a row, years in a row. So yeah, the Matt Damon space era. Good stuff. Uh, all right. I, um,

Sam (03:06:45.546)
That sounds right. Yeah.

Sam (03:06:52.379)
You know, it was his space era.

Sam (03:07:00.104)
All right.

Eli Price (03:07:06.083)
Okay, so we're only taking five. So I'm gonna go ahead and take one of my favorite documentaries ever, which I kind of hinted at, there actually is a movie with footage in space, technically. And I'm gonna pick the documentary from 2019 by Todd Douglas Miller, Apollo 11.

Sam (03:07:34.261)
Okay.

Eli Price (03:07:35.223)
It is this movie that this guy, so there was all this like archive footage of the Apollo 11 space mission that had been like in the national archives and it had just been sitting there and never been used. And they found all this film and they took it and they like restored all the film and then they like edit it together.

Sam (03:07:56.228)
Hmm.

Eli Price (03:08:06.039)
with actual archive audio back from the mission. Yeah, it's an incredible, incredible documentary because there's not voiceover explaining what's going on. Yeah, it's all archive footage and archive audio. And the way it's edited together is incredible. And it's like this.

Sam (03:08:12.794)
Oh, that's so cool.

Sam (03:08:21.342)
Yeah, it's all just raw audio.

Eli Price (03:08:35.475)
the restoration of the film is like beautiful. You have, like there's even like these beautiful shots of like people like parked on the road, on the side of the road, like kind of like picnicking, waiting to watch the launch. That's just like beautiful and like really like cool. And like, and it ends up being like a really inspirational like documentary.

Sam (03:08:49.163)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Eli Price (03:09:02.587)
watching all of this and like you even have like a bunch of footage of them, like getting their space suits on and like, um, obviously you have like footage from the moon landing itself. And, uh, yeah, it's on, it's actually on Hulu. It's on Hulu. So you can go stream it, um, on Hulu. Um, yeah, I, yeah, there was like two or three years in a row where

Sam (03:09:16.658)
Yeah, I'm trying to think. I wonder if I've seen this.

Sam (03:09:23.463)
Okay.

Sam (03:09:27.862)
That sounds great though.

Eli Price (03:09:32.127)
I would watch it on like the anniversary of the moon landing. Uh, but, uh, I might try to start that tradition back up again. Yeah. Uh, fantastic movie. And I, I had to make sure I got it on the list for sure.

Sam (03:09:37.983)
Nice.

Sam (03:09:42.118)
Yeah, I totally should. That's awesome. I'll have to check that out.

Sam (03:09:50.554)
Yeah, well, one that I think definitely deserves to be on the list. That's going to be Wall-E. The Pixar. Yeah.

Eli Price (03:09:59.143)
Man, I almost did that. I almost picked that My last pick and thought well, maybe I'll get it coming back around. Nope

Sam (03:10:08.774)
Yeah. So yeah, classic space movie. No explanation needed.

Eli Price (03:10:13.315)
Yeah, it's a great movie. It's Wally also another emotional movie in space. Yeah, yeah. And a somehow likeable cockroach, which that's hard to pull off, you know.

Sam (03:10:18.004)
It really is.

It's been a while since I've seen it, but...

I know, with robots. What more do you want?

Sam (03:10:35.75)
Yeah, yeah. Somehow they did it. Leave it up to Pixar.

Eli Price (03:10:39.068)
Um

Eli Price (03:10:44.671)
Okay. Man, there's a bunch of directions I can go. I have like several movies that I'll just mention in honorable mentions. Um, but I'm going to go with, I'm going to go like kind of off the radar probably for most people.

And I'm going to pick a 2007 movie by Danny Boyle called Sunshine. Um, have you ever heard of this movie? It's, um, it's got Killian Murphy, Roseburn, Chris Evans, um, Michelle Yeo in it. Um,

Sam (03:11:18.576)
Why do I feel like it?

Sam (03:11:27.594)
I don't think I- I feel like I've heard of this but I haven't seen it.

Eli Price (03:11:30.895)
Yeah, so it's about this crew that's piloting the Icarus 2 to the sun because the sun has this like, it's in the near, like not too distant future, I think. And the sun has this like, some weird thing that happened where it's going to die sooner than it should have. And so they're basically like trying to deliver these payloads of like bombs.

Sam (03:11:55.671)
Uh...

Eli Price (03:12:01.127)
to launch into the sun to like reset the sun. And it's, yeah, it's a really interesting movie. It kind of like, it's like sci-fi slash like mystery slash thriller slash like people stuck in a room together and like the character, like the drama of that kind of movie.

Sam (03:12:06.158)
chorus.

Sam (03:12:26.119)
Yeah.

Sam (03:12:29.89)
Yeah, yeah.

Eli Price (03:12:31.095)
It's a really interesting, it's a really great visual movie because like, it's doing something different than a lot of movies do, which is to go farther away from the sun and this one goes like directly toward it. And so like the way that the colors and the lighting work is interesting and like the sorts of spacesuits you get are interesting because like they have to be way

Sam (03:12:46.313)
Yeah.

Eli Price (03:12:59.763)
to endure the sun, being so close to the sun. And so there's all that stuff. But then too, and then it has this really wild third act. That's one of those things where either it loses you when it gets to the third act, or you're like, whoa, this is great. It's probably one of those love it or hate it third acts. And so yeah, it's really good. And Danny Boyle's at.

Sam (03:13:03.159)
Right.

Sam (03:13:15.837)
Thanks.

Sam (03:13:19.874)
awesome.

Yeah, well I'll have to check that one out too.

Eli Price (03:13:27.703)
a very interesting director. You know, he's, he did train spotting and 28 days later and slumdog millionaire Steve jobs, like pretty wide ranging director. Um, yeah, I really, I really enjoyed it. Um, uh, sunshine. So that's kind of my like way out there. Probably most people haven't seen my pick. That's also a recommendation.

Sam (03:13:27.86)
you

Sam (03:13:36.671)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Sam (03:13:55.302)
Yes, well, this is so my pick that's sort of somewhat way out there, I feel like, or at least it like probably most people haven't seen is the movie Solaris and the, I think it's the Tarkovsky version, the original, because I think it was redone. Yeah, with.

Eli Price (03:14:09.849)
Okay, yeah.

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Eli Price (03:14:19.015)
Soderbergh redid it, yeah.

Clooney. Yep. I haven't either.

Sam (03:14:24.33)
Cluny, yeah, which I haven't seen that one. But I have seen the original and it's out there. Like it's a weird movie. But I think it's interesting. Tarkovsky, I think it's a really, really interesting filmmaker. It's not for everyone. Like I probably won't watch it again. That's true. Yeah, so you need to know Russian. But once you've learned Russian.

Eli Price (03:14:34.435)
It is, yeah.

Eli Price (03:14:44.883)
Mm-hmm. It's Russian language for one. Yeah. Or be able to read.

Sam (03:14:54.678)
Yeah, well, I guess you could do subtitles. But yeah, it's I don't know. It's it's a trip for sure. Have you seen?

Eli Price (03:15:04.927)
Yeah, Tarkovsky has this like, yeah, Soleris I love. And I, I was going to take it, but then I took it, I think back, we did like a draft of American movies and their foreign, like foreign films and their American remakes. And I think I took it in that draft. So I was like, well, I'll, I'll leave it on the board, but I'm glad you took it because, um,

Sam (03:15:24.74)
Oh, okay.

Eli Price (03:15:32.651)
I like this film more than a couple of others on my list. And so like, I like it more, but I was like, well, I'll try to get some different ones out there, but I'm glad you took it because it's an incredible movie. And like an example of what I was talking about of like a sci-fi film that's so like open-ended and leaves you with so many questions.

Sam (03:15:41.28)
Good.

Sam (03:15:54.918)
Yeah, which I feel like most of Tarkovsky's movies do that, like...

Eli Price (03:16:00.279)
Yeah. And he's Tarkovsky is the, he's the sort of filmmaker that like his movies are these weird fragmented, like, uh, like, I don't know how to describe it's hard to describe his movies. They're like, they're not like there's

Sam (03:16:03.35)
Like it's just.

Sam (03:16:22.592)
Yeah.

Eli Price (03:16:26.743)
Usually not like this strong narrative structure to his movies, which could take a lot of people out. And they're like these weird fragmented looks at different aspects of what makes us human, or even like, what is what he's

Sam (03:16:31.23)
No. Yeah.

Eli Price (03:16:46.319)
like a mirror is like this weird mix of like his memory of his childhood and Where he is now but also like his kind of this is like disillusioned with his society and government And it's like this weird fragmented memory meld of all that stuff and like it doesn't have like a narrative structure that you can follow like so Laris has

Sam (03:17:06.765)
Yeah.

Eli Price (03:17:16.035)
like at least like a bare bones skeleton of a structure. Like, you know, he's here and he's going here and that's basically it. And like everything that happens within that journey is like mind bending, like deep into like human psyche stuff.

Sam (03:17:22.903)
Yeah.

Sam (03:17:29.119)
Yeah.

Sam (03:17:35.874)
Yeah.

Sam (03:17:39.846)
Yeah, yeah, it's a weird one, but you know, it is in space. So there you go.

Eli Price (03:17:44.611)
It is. Yeah, I love Solaris. Man, yeah, I guess we'll I guess we can stop at five each. And we both ended up doing kind of what I had planned to do, which was to leave Star Wars movies out of the draft, because they're just so obvious. And I'm like, I want to get some other stuff in there. So we

Sam (03:18:06.689)
Oh good.

Sam (03:18:13.334)
Yeah, I had an intention, like, cause I thought about this, like, I could do Star Wars, I said, but I just don't feel like, I just don't feel like that's right. So I'm glad we both agreed on that.

Eli Price (03:18:19.92)
Yeah.

Yes.

Yeah. And I had, uh, I think it was before we started, um, back into the recording. Uh, I had, I had started to say, Oh yeah, I plan, I plan not to take any star wars, but then I was like, Oh, well, no, nevermind. I'm not going to say we'll just see what happens in the draft. So we were on the same wavelength there.

Sam (03:18:41.583)
Okay, yeah.

Good. I'm glad. Well, we had a lot of the same. I had written down about eight or nine and I think all. All of those.

Eli Price (03:18:50.32)
Yeah.

Eli Price (03:18:54.459)
Did you have any honorable mentions that we didn't take?

Sam (03:18:58.09)
Uhhhhhh

Eli Price (03:19:00.627)
Okay, all got taken. Yeah, gravity was one of mine.

Sam (03:19:00.67)
So yeah, maybe gravity is kind of a cool one.

Just like, I think it did some really neat stuff, I think. Like, you know.

Eli Price (03:19:11.343)
It did, yeah. Great use of silence and space in that one.

Sam (03:19:17.662)
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Eli Price (03:19:20.095)
Aliens is also good. The James Cameron, um, follow up to alien is, I think is really good. It's, I don't like it as much as alien, but it is, they are one is a horror movie and one is a sci-fi, uh, action movie. Um, but, um, yeah, I also had, um,

Sam (03:19:27.028)
Yeah.

Sam (03:19:30.427)
No, they're totally different movies.

Sam (03:19:36.421)
Yeah, yeah.

I think Alien, I think it's really up there as far as like great space. I mean, just great horror. Like, but yeah.

Eli Price (03:19:45.067)
Oh yeah, it is. And Ridley Scott was a big influence on Nolan. Nolan loves Ridley Scott, so. Like, I think if pressed, he would probably say Blade Runner is his favorite movie, because he talks about Blade Runner so much. But yeah, I also had Treasure Planet, I had another animated kind of down my list a little bit.

Sam (03:19:53.159)
I could see that.

Sam (03:20:04.05)
Yeah.

Sam (03:20:12.895)
Okay, I don't think I know that one.

Eli Price (03:20:13.623)
Treasure Planet, I think is like a, it's like a underseen, underrated Disney movie. Um, it, cause it kind of came out in that weird transition from like 2d to 3d animation era of Disney, where most of the movies are kind of like pretty terrible. Um, but this one is like actually really fun and inventive and. You know, it's, it's a play on, you know, treasure island, obviously. Um, but, um,

Sam (03:20:28.772)
Okay.

Sam (03:20:32.558)
Yeah

Eli Price (03:20:43.119)
Yeah, it's a fun movie. It's like, not like, I don't think it's like some of the best work Disney's ever done, but it's really fun. Um, yeah. Uh, the other, like really interesting one I had on my list was, uh, the movie moon, uh, came out in 2009 with, um, Sam Rockwell and, um, Kevin Spacey did like the, the voice of like the AI, um, and it

Sam (03:20:44.47)
That's cool.

Sam (03:20:53.066)
Have to check that out.

Sam (03:21:12.654)
I feel like I've heard of this movie, but I don't think I've seen it.

Eli Price (03:21:12.984)
And it's.

Yeah, it's about this guy that's like alone on this like station on the moon. And they're, they're like harvesting minerals on the moon. Um, and like he's some weird things start happening and he like starts kind of trying to investigate what's going on. And then like, it really gets, uh, interesting. Um, and yeah, it's, uh, I won't, um,

Sam (03:21:24.756)
Okay.

Eli Price (03:21:45.155)
I won't really get into like anything beyond that because it's one of those movies where like it's better if you don't know a whole lot going in. But yeah, it's really good. It's very interesting. Well, Sam Rockwell is really good in it. Yeah, it's another one I would recommend. I do like.

Sam (03:21:53.714)
Yeah.

Eli Price (03:22:10.427)
Like I do like Elysium, the Neil Blomkamp movie with Matt Damon. I like it probably like more than the consensus, but also like it doesn't do a whole lot in space. Like it technically would probably qualify, but I was trying to stick to movies that were like in space way more than.

Sam (03:22:18.206)
You know, I don't think I ever saw that one.

Sam (03:22:34.803)
Yeah.

Eli Price (03:22:38.427)
which I guess the Apollo 11 documentary, like the majority of it, like isn't necessarily in space, but it was worth it for, worth drafting. And then of course, like you have a lot of Star Wars and Marvel movies, but I wasn't interested in drafting this.

Sam (03:22:38.547)
Yeah.

Sam (03:22:48.743)
Yeah. What about-

Yeah, what about like Europa or like Red Planet? Have you seen those? Yeah, I think it's, again, my memory's a bit vague, but Europa I think is one of those like blast the ship off and, you know, last ditch effort kind of thing to like go track down something and it's things go wrong and, you know, and then I think Red, I think it's called Red Planet.

Eli Price (03:22:58.119)
I haven't seen those. No. Yeah.

Eli Price (03:23:11.077)
Yeah.

Eli Price (03:23:14.447)
Yeah.

Sam (03:23:23.318)
where like they're trying to, it's like a rescue mission to Mars or something. And another, you know, a lot of these, I think are somewhat similar as far as. There you go.

Eli Price (03:23:28.803)
Yeah. You have Armageddon Armageddon. That's a fun one, I guess. Um, Bruce Willis. Um, there is a, yeah. Yeah. Uh, which is fun. It like, I was thinking about how, like, I watched sunshine recently. Um, and it's funny cause in that movie, Killian Murphy is like the scientists delivering this bomb.

Sam (03:23:35.305)
Yeah.

Sam (03:23:39.506)
Anytime you can nuke an asteroid, I feel like that's always a good...

Eli Price (03:23:58.219)
the sun and it's like, Oh, and now he's another scientist delivering some bombs in Oppenheimer. It's just kind of irony.

Sam (03:24:01.698)
And now.

Sam (03:24:04.924)
Yeah.

Sam (03:24:08.855)
career foreshadowing. Yeah.

Eli Price (03:24:10.423)
Yeah, for real. Yeah, I did like, did you see First Man with Ryan Gosling? I thought it was pretty good. I enjoyed that one. It's about, it's like a more personal look at Neil Armstrong, basically.

Sam (03:24:29.604)
I don't know that I did.

Sam (03:24:35.402)
Oh, okay. Maybe. I think, I think I did see it.

Eli Price (03:24:37.723)
It was directed by Damien Chazelle. He did Whiplash and La Land.

Sam (03:24:43.743)
Yeah, yeah.

Eli Price (03:24:45.355)
I enjoyed it. It's not my favorite, but I thought it was a good movie. Um, yeah. Avatar, obviously.

Sam (03:24:52.722)
It's Europa, Europa report is a yeah.

Eli Price (03:24:56.107)
Europa report. Okay. Yeah, I'll have to check that out.

Avatar, obviously they're in space. But yeah, I'm not the biggest fan of those. Have you ever seen the really old, let me see what it is, 1902, A Trip to the Moon. Have you ever watched that?

Sam (03:25:05.491)
Yeah.

Sam (03:25:18.923)
I don't think so.

Eli Price (03:25:19.471)
It's like this like 15 minute 1902 movie about like these scientists that decide to go to the moon and then like, it kind of gets chaotic for a minute when some aliens show up. Uh, yeah. And, uh, it's actually like, you can go on, um, I think it's on HBO max. Yeah. They actually, so the art, the, the guy that made this movie, his name is, it's a

Sam (03:25:29.186)
That's awesome.

Sam (03:25:33.934)
Of course they do.

Sam (03:25:44.074)
Ha ha

Eli Price (03:25:48.567)
I think I'm going to say French movie. George, George Mellie is, I don't know how to say his last name. Um, but he, um, he, so yeah, when you, so when you watch the movie, like if you go on HBO Max and watch it, it's like, it's colorized and you're like, how's this 1902 movie colorized? Well, he, Oh man, I just bumped my mic. He, um, he actually like

Sam (03:25:59.418)
just drop off all the consonants.

Sam (03:26:08.526)
Thank you.

Eli Price (03:26:18.267)
colored the film, I guess. Like I was reading about it, cause I was thrown off when I started watching it. I was like, why is it, how is this in color? Like, this is weird. Just because I knew that it came out in 1902. And so I researched it and sure enough, like he went in and like colorized a lot of the film and they found and like restored those colored.

Sam (03:26:35.912)
Yeah.

Eli Price (03:26:48.075)
versions of it. So it's really cool. It's, you know, it's made in 1902. It's silent. But it's kind of funny and interesting in a way. It's worth 15 minutes of viewing, you know, a fun little trip back in history.

Sam (03:26:58.918)
Yeah, what were they theorizing about the moon? Yeah.

Sam (03:27:06.676)
Yeah.

Eli Price (03:27:11.023)
Yeah, I don't really have any more. I guess I should shout out my mother-in-law loves the movie passengers. I did not like that movie, but you know, you know, shout it out for my mother-in-law who loves the movie passengers with Chris Evans, Jennifer Lawrence. Um, dune. I didn't, we didn't even mention dune and, uh, and honorable mentions yet, but, uh, dune is very good.

Sam (03:27:19.806)
Okay, I don't think I saw that one.

Sam (03:27:30.19)
Classic.

Eli Price (03:27:41.343)
Did you see the newer one? Yeah. Have you seen the 80s Lynch, David Lynch version? So I'll shout out it too, but not because it's good, but because it's one of those like fun bad movies where like you watch it and you're like, that was terrible, but I'm sure I'm glad I watched it sort of movie.

Sam (03:27:41.758)
It is very good. Yeah, I did. I liked it.

Sam (03:27:49.382)
No. I haven't.

Sam (03:27:55.714)
Thanks for watching!

Sam (03:27:59.671)
Yeah, I've seen like

Sam (03:28:05.97)
Yeah, I've seen clips of it, so yeah, I get the gist of how great it is.

Eli Price (03:28:10.507)
Yeah. I watched it a while back and I was like, man, was that bad, but man, was it fun at the same time? Um, but yeah, I think that's pretty much covers all the space movies I can think of to recommend. Um,

Sam (03:28:18.688)
Yeah.

Eli Price (03:28:30.527)
Yeah, I don't see any more on my list. Yeah, that was a good draft. I'll read back our results. I ended up with Ad Astra, 2001, A Space Odyssey, Alien, Apollo 11, and Sunshine. And Sam ended up with Interstellar, Apollo 13, The Martian, Wally, and Solaris. Yeah.

Both really good lists. If anything, I think like you might run away with it by having WALL-E and Apollo 13, which people love both of those movies. Rightly so, you know.

Sam (03:29:02.274)
Yeah.

Sam (03:29:13.239)
Yeah.

fan favorites.

Eli Price (03:29:17.935)
Um, so we'll, we'll see, I guess. Yeah, that's, that's our movie draft. Um, do you have any, did you have anything for recommendation of the week?

Sam (03:29:29.342)
I'll recommend an album that just came out for your listening pleasure by Glen Hansard. It's called All That Was East Is West of Me Now, which just by the title, I think is one of the best. And there's a song on there called All That's East Is West of Me Now. And yeah, so I love, I've been a big fan of Glen. I actually saw the Swell Season. They kind of did a reunion tour this year.

Eli Price (03:29:32.252)
Okay.

Eli Price (03:29:37.031)
Boo.

Eli Price (03:29:42.759)
Hmm.

Eli Price (03:29:56.85)
Mm-hmm.

Sam (03:29:59.574)
and I got to see them in Atlanta, which was great. But yeah, that album just came out this month, I think, or October.

Eli Price (03:30:03.151)
Yeah, that's really cool.

Eli Price (03:30:09.271)
Yeah, yeah. I want to say so I have never seen the movie once, which is what like started the swell season. But I have seen another film by that director. His name is John Carney. I've seen Sing Street, which I love. But he actually just came out with a new movie.

Sam (03:30:21.591)
Right.

Sam (03:30:32.544)
Yeah.

Eli Price (03:30:38.939)
That's on Apple TV, I think called floor and sun that I'd like to check out. Um, and I need to check out once too. Have you ever seen once?

Sam (03:30:48.042)
Yeah, I have. I mean, I really like it. Like, I think it's a great movie. Super low budget, but it's, I mean, I just think it's fantastic.

Eli Price (03:30:50.691)
Yeah. Yeah, I want to check it out too.

Eli Price (03:30:57.315)
Yeah. I've listened to the, obviously the soundtrack a lot. Yeah. And the swell season is great. But yeah.

Sam (03:31:03.358)
Yeah, the soundtrack is good. Yeah, it's, yeah. And he's done a lot of solo stuff since then. And he was with the Frames before the movie. But yeah, he's a fantastic artist, so.

Eli Price (03:31:17.699)
Yeah, yeah, that's right. I've listened to some of his solo stuff and it's really, really good. So yeah, I'll have to check that out for sure. Glenn Hansard.

Sam (03:31:25.854)
Yeah, and there's a document, I forget the name of the doc, I'll have to look it up for you, but there's a documentary of like him and a couple of other like Irish artists that do the Santiago Camino sailing trail from like Ireland down to Spain, I think, and they documented and they're just like singing songs and doing paintings and poetry the whole way down and like it's a really cool documentary. But yeah, what about you?

Eli Price (03:31:41.927)
Okay.

Eli Price (03:31:48.995)
Yeah. Nice. Yeah. Um, uh, I, I feel like I had said something earlier in the episode that I might use for recommendation, but I can't even remember what it was. I should have written it down. Um, oh man.

Sam (03:32:06.441)
Yeah.

Eli Price (03:32:11.455)
Oh, well, yeah, I'm totally winging it. But I am going to. I'm going to recommend. Oh, I remember what it was. The team Deacon's podcast. It's. Yeah, it's a really fun podcast. I haven't listened to it a ton. I've just kind of listened to episodes here and there.

Sam (03:32:30.223)
Oh yeah, I've already got that written down.

Eli Price (03:32:41.099)
Um, that when I've been doing like research for this series, there's been a few, like they had a, like Chris Corbald on who's done special effects, uh, work with Nolan, um, Hoito Van Hornema has an episode with them. Um, his episode is really fun. Uh, really interesting.

Sam (03:32:54.266)
Okay.

Mmm.

Sam (03:33:01.522)
I bet he's done some like a ton of huge movies. So, yeah, I'm sure that'd be great.

Eli Price (03:33:04.919)
Oh yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, it's fun to hear him talk. Um, so yeah, I recommend that podcast. It's, it's an interesting listen. Um, and you can kind of like pick and choose like people here. And usually when, uh, like if you look at the show description, even if you don't recognize the person's name, which a lot of times you might not because it's like, it's not directors, it's like kind of the, the people that make the directors look great. Um,

Sam (03:33:26.034)
Yeah.

Sam (03:33:32.631)
Yeah, yeah.

Eli Price (03:33:34.043)
And, uh, but if you go in there, it'll usually have like a few movies that they've been a part of, like a few of their biggest movies. So, um, you can kind of click on the episode and be like, Oh, they did these movies and then you're like, okay, I'll listen, you know, it's that sort of thing. But yeah, it's, um, yeah, it's a cool podcast. Um, I recommend, recommend it. Yeah. That's, um, I think that's pretty much it. Uh, Sam, it's been great having on. Would you, uh,

Sam (03:33:39.927)
Hmm.

Sam (03:33:48.295)
Yeah, yeah, that's cool.

Eli Price (03:34:03.623)
Do you want to plug some places here at the end to either follow you or the collision or whatever you want to plug?

Sam (03:34:10.866)
Yeah, I'll plug the collision. Um, cause there, you know, I can plug myself, but you'd probably be bored. Um, and I don't do, I don't do a ton of social media anyways, but, um, yeah, the collision.org, uh, we write about pop culture and that includes movies. Um, we also do, uh, reviews of movies, uh, in video form over on, uh, the collision BMI, um, YouTube channel.

Eli Price (03:34:20.114)
Yeah, yeah.

Eli Price (03:34:32.391)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (03:34:39.056)
Mm-hmm.

Sam (03:34:39.662)
And so you can check that out. We've got Instagram and everything as well. But yeah, thecollision.org kind of where all that resides and just kind of, uh, just diving into pop culture stuff and arts and culture and Christianity. So, yeah, check it out.

Eli Price (03:34:55.087)
Yeah. It's, it's some good stuff too. Um, yeah, that's, uh, that's where you can find the collision and, uh, some of the work that Sam and, uh, and, and Daniel do over there. So yeah, um, that's all we have for, for this week. I'm looking forward to, um, the Dunkirk episode next week. Uh, but that is all for now. Uh, yeah, I'm Eli Price for Sam Camp.

You've been listening to The Establishing Shot. We will see you next time.