Jurassic Park (w/ Christiaan Funkhouser)

Eli (00:01.83)
Hello and welcome to the establishing shot, a podcast where we do deep dives into directors and their filmographies. I am your host Eli Price and we are on episode 64 of the podcast today. We are just, just kind of dipping our toes into the nineties. But I guess we're kind of dipping our toes in only to find that it's actually deeper than we thought.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (00:15.246)
Bye.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (00:31.459)
deeper.

Eli (00:31.696)
crashing into a dinosaur sized hole, because we're covering Jurassic Park today. So very exciting. I have a returning guest, Chris Schimm -Funkhauser is joining me again. You might remember him if you listen to the Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade episode. He'd join me for that.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (00:35.202)
Yes.

Woo!

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (00:48.344)
Hello, hello.

Eli (00:57.488)
But yeah, I'm excited. This is part of my childhood as it is many others that were born in the eighties and nineties. So yeah, it's dinosaur time, I guess, you know. But yeah, and you know, I just wanted to say off the bat, I definitely spared no expense on this podcast today.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:04.149)
Mm -hmm.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:13.996)
DINER TIME!

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:24.686)
Spare no expense.

Eli (01:27.718)
Spared no expense. So I hope it sounds great and looks great because definitely spared no expense. As all John Hammond tells us multiple times throughout the movie.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:42.84)
Yes. that's a point. Sorry, I'm taking notes.

Eli (01:47.206)
But yeah, so we had just started our kind of journey into Spielberg's middle part of his career, which I guess kind of encompasses the 90s and 2000s. And yeah, started off a couple of weeks ago with Hook, enjoyed that conversation and...

Yeah, now we're into the second film of the 90s in Jurassic Park. So, Christian, before we jump into all that, you did a longer intro to yourself and your intro to Spielberg in the Last Crusade episode. So if you want to hear more of that, more about Christian, go back and listen to the intro to that podcast. yeah, why don't you share a little bit about

yourself, what you do, and you have something called Dancing Fox Studio that you're kind of working on. So if you want to share a little bit about that, that'd be great.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:45.294)
Woo.

Sure. Awesome. Thank you. Hi, everyone. name is Christian Funkhouser and I love stories and I love storytelling and I love I love dinosaurs and the Jurassic Park has to be one of my favorite movies of all time. So I was really excited. think when I first was like, we're doing Steven Spielberg, I was like, I want to do Jurassic. Oops. I already Jurassic Park. Let me know. So but.

Eli (03:01.03)
Mm.

Eli (03:12.784)
Ha ha ha.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:15.714)
Yeah, Dancing Fox Studio is, live, like said, love movies, I love stories, but I find a lot of times people who are reviewing them and things like that are either being not safe for work or they're cussing and all that other kind of stuff. I feel kind of bad sharing that sometimes with friends and family. So I want to do something that is more wholesome, but that actually gets into looking at the storytelling and the philosophy behind it.

sometimes theology and faith and like how we can kind of use stories and look at stories to help us learn more about ourselves, because you've got the whole modern myth theory and all that kind of stuff. So I so that's what Dancing Fox Studio is doing. It's will eventually be up and running. So it's kind of it's a project of as a passion project of love that I'm working on. But it is I'm really excited to do this. I've got my sexy.

Eli (04:07.822)
Yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (04:14.07)
Ian Malcolm back there as well as some other dinosaurs that are here to join us. So we are, it's going to be good.

Eli (04:15.833)
Yes.

Eli (04:20.237)
Yeah. Yeah. I, Christian sent me a picture of his like, Funko pops and Lego Jurassic park. He's, stuff he has in the background. So yeah, that was, that was fun to see that it's, it's hilarious to me that they made like a shirt open, sexy, Ian Malcolm, Funko pop. just, just perfect. yeah. When is when the, when the camera panned in that one scene,

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (04:40.322)
Yes. It's so great.

Eli (04:49.668)
because it had been a little while since I'd seen Jurassic Park and there was old Jeff Goldblum with his shirt wide open. It reminded me of a George Costanza pose in Seinfeld when Kramer's taking pictures of him. I was like, why is he laying like that other than to show off his abs? But yeah, so that's great. Great to have Christian in all of his Jurassic Park.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (05:03.373)
Yes.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (05:09.614)
Like of all the positions today. Yeah.

Eli (05:19.29)
memorabilia on the podcast today. But yeah, you shared a little bit last time of your love for Jurassic Park. So before we get into the depths of the making of this movie, why do you love Jurassic Park so much?

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (05:20.942)
Woo. Yes.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (05:39.258)
As a kid, I loved dinosaurs. Still do. And I remember going to... So I was eight when Jurassic Park came out. And I remember going to the theaters to see this movie about dinosaurs. that first scene when you go... Because, okay, sorry, the first one with the velociraptors kind of like... You kind of like, okay, I can see what doing. But when you...

Eli (06:03.652)
Mm, yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (06:07.278)
especially back then before CGI and got really good and then really bad subsequently. But you go there with the and you see the Brachiosaur and you're just like, holy junko. And like I had like the moment like Dr. Grant and it was just like, this is crazy. And then as it goes on and then you see the Raptors and like I remember I went to Universal Studios not to or even like 10 or years ago or and they had the thing of

Eli (06:11.983)
Yeah.

Eli (06:23.245)
Yes.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (06:36.918)
of the velociraptor and I could not, I would not turn my back to it because I didn't trust it even though I knew it wasn't real, I knew it wasn't doing that. just, couldn't trust it at all.

Eli (06:42.21)
Yes.

Eli (06:47.21)
It could be a raptor tactic stand really still, you know, so you never know Yes Yeah, that's awesome Let me ask you this because this is true of me sir I guess like I kind of my memory is like fifth grade. I was like I really want to be a paleontologist Yeah, so yeah, so it's part of both of our childhoods of like

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (06:49.538)
Exactly.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (06:53.294)
They're very clever.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (07:09.324)
Yes, so did I.

Eli (07:15.824)
paleontologists for the what do want to be when you grow up question which is I actually read that there was like a significant like uptick in people like declaring paleontology majors after this movie in like college and stuff so I don't know how many those people actually like followed through but yeah I did hear that there there was like a resurgence in the field

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (07:20.266)
Absolutely.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (07:32.717)
Interesting.

Eli (07:44.728)
after this movie.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (07:47.751)
it's. It's one of those things that like. And we'll get into it, obviously, but it's just one of those things where like it's. There's just enough like fiction, but also there's a decent amount of science with it, so it kind of is that science fiction and it's like, well, could we actually get to this point? And what if we just fix the problems that they did?

Eli (07:53.241)
Thank

Eli (08:06.714)
Right.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (08:14.316)
And let's not use amphibian DNA. And then we got this. We'll be good.

Eli (08:14.415)
Yes Yes Yeah, not use amphibian DNA not have one singular Erratic dude do all the computer programming for the entire park Yeah, that's like I feel like that's like the one one of the main things that like doesn't hold up is like okay. Come on like

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (08:33.335)
Exactly.

Eli (08:40.645)
This is a team of like 40 dudes. Like there's no way one dude is doing all of the programming.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (08:47.138)
Not at all. And that's the one area where he did spare an expense, apparently. According to Nedra, anyway.

Eli (08:50.694)
Yep, apparently. Yeah. Yeah, let's jump into it. Let's go back to the late 60s where Steven Spielberg is 23 years old beginning his TV career at Universal and Michael Crichton, the author of the book Jurassic Park, is a mere 27 years old and has just

sold the rights to his first bestseller, then Jameda Strain, which became a movie in 1971. yeah, Spielberg was assigned to kind of show Michael Crichton around the studio at Universal, and they kind of hit it off and became friends, and I guess kind of kept up with each other after that. So they were both kind of like young getting started in the game and became friends, which is really cool.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (09:35.31)
Interesting.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (09:48.237)
It is.

Eli (09:48.966)
So fast forward 20 years and Michael Crichton has this 150 page script set in a Chicago hospital emergency room called Code Blue. He's trying to get people in Hollywood to pursue his script and nobody is really going for it. But he gives it to his buddy Spielberg and Spielberg really likes it. And they don't do anything with it then.

spoiler alert it does eventually get made into a series called ER so Amblin produced that that you know television series which was very popular I've never watched any ER have you ever watched any ER yeah me either I wonder I don't know it doesn't feel like it's like up my alley so and I don't watch much TV shows so

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (10:37.751)
I have not either.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (10:44.91)
I think it was more like a drama than like with House or The Good Doctor, stuff like that, where it was, there's more of a kind of like a gimmick type thing. So I think it paved the way for a lot of stuff.

Eli (10:51.268)
Yeah. Right.

Eli (10:58.768)
Yeah, yeah, that sounds right.

Yeah, but amidst that conversation, Spielberg was like, you know, what else are you working on? And Crichton kind of like, I guess like even a little reluctantly was like, started telling him about this dinosaur book that he was writing. And Spielberg listens to the idea and Spielberg's just like, okay, I'm, you know, it's inevitable that I want to make this into a movie.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (11:18.734)
They're dinosaurs.

Eli (11:31.75)
right there just hearing the concept and they kind of agreed like okay we need to make this into a film and so in may of 1990 months before the book was actually published i think it was published in october of that year criton's agent sends jurassic park the manuscript to a bunch of studios and they actually get offers

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (11:34.552)
So, could come.

Eli (12:01.99)
from four studios. So I think all of them were putting up $1 .5 million to buy the rights for the book. so you have authors from Columbia Pictures, TriStar, from Warner Brothers, from 20th Century Fox, and from Universal, who eventually won the bid with Amblin as the production company and Spielberg as the director. So they...

Yeah, they give him... so the other... All of those studios kind of had production companies and directors that were part of their proposals. So I thought this was interesting. The other three directors that were proposed were Joe Dante, who is probably most popular from Gremlins, which Spielberg produced, Richard Donner,

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (12:54.968)
Okay.

Eli (12:59.684)
was one of them who did Superman, the 70s Superman movie amongst, that's the one that comes to mind. I know he's done other popular stuff, but that's the one that comes to mind for me. And the other one was Tim Burton, which would have been really, I don't know what kind of movie that would have been. Yes, agree. I think Joe Dante's would have been like way more like dark.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (13:20.344)
That would have been so weird.

Eli (13:31.89)
I'm not sure what Richard Donner... Richard Donner might have had a similar tone to Spielberg probably, I would think. And Tim Burton's would have just been weird. know.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (13:39.352)
Thanks. Yes, you would have had like random dinosaurs that are like walking. And well, so let's see around that time, Edward Scissorhands had already come out. and Black Hat and no Tim Burton didn't do Min and Black. No, that was anyway. Yeah.

Eli (13:45.679)
Yeah.

Eli (13:50.767)
Yeah.

Eli (13:54.02)
No, Men in Black was... No, he didn't.

Spielberg produced Men in Black. yeah, Scissorhands was out. Batman was out at this point. It seems like something else. Beetlejuice? I think Beetlejuice. Yeah, think Beetlejuice was late 80s too.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (14:01.937)
Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (14:10.186)
that's what I was thinking. I'm sorry. Yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (14:19.406)
Sounds about right.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (14:23.758)
But think like, so I think Joe Dante would have made it more of a like a horror movie. Donner might have made it more of like, you know, Guy Saves the Day, I think more so. This is kind of pending. then Burton would have done Burton things. It would have been a very unique movie to be sure. Yeah.

Eli (14:29.562)
Yeah.

Eli (14:38.278)
I don't know what Tim Burton would have done. Yeah. It would have been interesting to see that. But alas, we didn't get those movies. We got the Spielberg version. Universal gave Michael Crichton $1 .5 million for the rights and another $500 ,000 to write the screen adaptation for it. So he comes away with $2 million for this, which I'm sure...

Not all of that goes to him. I'm sure like agents get some and whatever, know, assistance. Gotta pay your assistance and all that. But that's still a heck of a lot of money. Yes. So, yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (15:17.4)
You do. It is, especially back in the 90s.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (15:24.738)
And I think that's really interesting, the fact that and we talked about this briefly thing that you actually had the author of the book who was the one that was helping write in the screenplay. A lot of times the source material or the person who originates it doesn't do it. And when they get away from it. Yeah. And then when they get away from it, then that's where it really starts to derivate from things like Star Wars after Lucas.

Eli (15:33.509)
Mm

Eli (15:42.276)
Yeah, they'll just kind of consult usually.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (15:53.898)
is very different than Star Wars with Lucas as an example. I'd say it's necessarily bad, but it's it's it's different because you have different people doing things. And so I think having him actually write the screenplay when it was so or the initial screenplay while it was so new and fresh and what's left, think that really set an important direction.

Eli (15:55.963)
Mm -hmm.

Eli (16:14.15)
Yeah. And it, it probably helps a lot that, he had like screenwriting experience already. He had done a movie called West world, 1973 that he wrote and directed actually. and he had some, he had some other movies in the eighties too, that he wrote and directed. So he, you know, he was, he was an author, but he also was like a Hollywood guy too. Like he was plugged in and working in Hollywood.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (16:23.651)
Mm

Eli (16:43.994)
So that probably helps a lot. So he has a writing credit. He wrote the first draft. I don't know how much of that draft ended up being the movie. I know he wrote a first draft. The lady who, or I think it's a woman that wrote Hook, that wrote or co -wrote, I can't remember, Hook, she did...

kind of a rewrite of his first draft. Her name is Molly Oskotch Marmo. So she did kind of a rewrite of his draft. then, so after those two drafts, Spielberg wasn't really satisfied with the way they were turning out. And so, yeah, he brought in David Kep. And David Kep has written other things with Spielberg since then.

like he also writes the lost world. He does war of the worlds, crystal skull. so, and he also was, a writer for, Rami's first spider -man movie, mission impossible. So he has some, some big, big movies that he's, he's been a part of. but yeah, he brings on David Kep, and working with Spielberg for, on, on this, cause Spielberg is like,

Spielberg's the idea man, I think he kind of learned early on that it's best if he doesn't write the screenplay for his movies, but brings in a good writer to write his screenplays for him. And yeah, so he works with Kep. They really try to respect the general plot of the novel. They opt for an open -ended ending, which the novel has as well.

and one of I will say one of the big things and we'll get more into the differences between the book and the movie probably later on after we talk about all the production stuff But they do make him and like a much more sympathetic character he's kind of like he's almost made into like a Spielberg stand -in this kind of adult that has like that's very like has childlike wonder and

Eli (19:11.608)
with with like the means to satisfy his whims sort of thing and that's kind of like how Spielberg has been viewed for a lot of his career and and you know there's a lot of truth to that if you look at the movies he makes it's like they're very like childlike wonder but like if you gave that child the means to like put that out there you know

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (19:16.366)
That's a good way put it.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (19:34.85)
Yeah, that's a very interesting kind of like idea with it because you get the Indiana Jones and it's that childlike wonder of I'm going to be an explorer and do that kind of stuff. And then you do the AT and it's like, what if there's an alien?

Eli (19:45.444)
Mm

Eli (19:50.254)
Yeah, what if I could be friends with an alien? Yeah. Yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (19:53.23)
That's really, that's an intriguing.

I think.

Eli (19:58.658)
Yeah, and also they they have less people die in the movie too than the book We have what I would say three major deaths And three deaths of like major characters that you have the death of the like worker at the very beginning But you don't know who he is And so it's it's kind of like no, you know

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (20:05.932)
Yes.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (20:21.262)
yeah. Yep.

Eli (20:26.63)
I don't really count that guy, I guess, unfortunately. Yes. But yeah, especially so, I don't know. I guess I will wonder if I should spoil the book. Because this is definitely like a movie spoiler podcast, but we are going to have to get into the differences. So I guess I will. So, but.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (20:28.11)
Shooter!

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (20:49.614)
Well, I think I think they've had a what is it, 35 years or so. Yeah.

Eli (20:55.086)
Yeah, they've had a while to read the book. I just read it earlier this year. So, yeah, I'd never, I've been kind of reading all the books that Spielberg's adapted. So I've actually just finished The Lost World also. So I've read both of those before getting into these recordings. So, but yeah, in the book Hammond and Malcolm die.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (21:00.177)
Eli (21:24.846)
which the Malcolm thing is another thing I guess we'll get into for the Lost World episode. Have you read the Lost World, the book? Yeah, so you know what I mean when I say that. So I won't spoil that. I'll save that for them. But yeah, in the book, as far as you know, Hammond definitely dies and Malcolm dies too. But yeah, and David Kep, another thing he does is he adds, go ahead, yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (21:36.13)
I have. Yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (21:51.79)
And then Molden lives. They kind of swap out the characters. So that was it was interesting that they.

Eli (21:57.732)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's true. yeah, that is another guy that dies in the movie that I wasn't counting before that would be four Yeah

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (22:05.068)
Yeah. And so and then they well, I guess we'll get into it later, but the way that Hammond dies is very different than the way that some of the other characters died.

Eli (22:15.416)
Yeah, yeah, it is. Yeah, yeah, I know what you mean. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for clarifying for maybe someone that didn't know what you meant. David Kip also adds a lot of like kind of wit and just kind of lightens up the tone for the screenplay a lot. He's you know, because the movie ends up being like pretty

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (22:19.629)
in the book.

Eli (22:45.234)
It has a lot of pretty funny moments too. To lighten stuff up. Which Spielberg felt was important. He felt like it was... He's the kind of director that wants a wider audience. He's not interested in making a movie that like, only certain people are gonna wanna watch this. No, he wants to make movies that everybody wants to see.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (22:48.45)
really good. There's great chemistry.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (22:55.182)
Mm

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (23:13.304)
That makes sense. Yeah.

Eli (23:13.978)
which there's nothing wrong with that. It's just different. I don't mean to say that as if it's a bad thing. But yeah, so.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (23:20.546)
But he also doesn't like you can tell that he wasn't just like, OK, we have a checklist of all the groups we want to do. We're going to do this for this person and this for this person and this for this. It's just like a.

Eli (23:28.697)
Yeah, sure.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (23:32.94)
It's almost like Tolkienian in a way where it's, we're going to do this for the every man type, you know, every man type person where it's everyone can find themselves in some way in something as opposed, know, as opposed to like, we're going to segment and then make it. And because that that when you make it for everyone like that, where it's segmented and stuff like that, then it's for no one.

Eli (23:38.608)
Sure.

Eli (23:44.496)
Mm.

Eli (23:55.532)
Yeah, yeah, that's true. Yeah, I know what you mean. Yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (23:58.51)
But then Spielberg can do it and it makes sense and then it's enduring, which is why we're talking about him now and not somebody else or other people.

Eli (24:02.799)
Mm -hmm.

Right. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, that that's kind of the writing of the screenplay, but the main challenge really wasn't the writing, but making the dinosaurs. And so they had to start getting, getting into that pretty early on thinking about what they were going to do. Actually watch like a behind the scenes kind of footage of Spielberg and some of the,

visual effects guys, they were just like sitting around the table with a couple of models just like they were just talking about like what would a dinosaur do? How would it move? How would a velociraptor look around? know, they were just like, yeah, I guess it seems like they just been doing that for hours just talking about like the details of what they were going to make and how it would function. So.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (24:47.031)
Interesting.

Eli (24:58.864)
They did have three consultants, like scientific consultants. Two were paleontologists, Jack Corner and Robert Backer. And one was kind of like a dinosaur science popularizer named Don Lessam. So those were kind of the three consultants. They advised the special effects teams along with Spielberg. And...

Jack Horner, think was the the main advisor from what I could tell he was the main like consultant for the movie He he was a paleontologist. He had his big discovery was in 1979. I didn't write down the dinosaur But it wasn't one I recognized anyway

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (25:41.196)
Is it arc? It's like Archaeopteryx or something like

Eli (25:43.874)
No, it started with an It was like, yeah, I didn't recognize it at all. But he did discover one, and he was a big proponent of theorizing about dinosaurs being closer relatives to birds than reptiles. He was a big proponent of that theory. And so Jack Corner actually became the model for Grant

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (25:50.926)
from the fake dinosaurs.

Eli (26:13.614)
And both the novel and the book really And yeah Yeah, and then the film too also had kind of has allusions to Backer and Horner kind of had some scientific disagreements on dinosaurs and that kind of comes up a little bit in the movie with the kid being like I read this thing from backer Yeah, so they even like pull that into the the dialogue there Which is fun

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (26:17.388)
That makes sense because yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (26:35.374)
interesting.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (26:42.136)
That was such a great like, like, in his book was this big, when yours was only this big.

Eli (26:45.634)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you kind of are like, okay, like you need to be nicer to the kid, but also like I kind of get it. He's like hovering. But yeah, so despite all the consultants, there's definitely like, there's definitely like factual errors. You know, the recovery of old DNA is like, it's a really good sounding idea, but

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (26:48.322)
So

Eli (27:15.494)
I don't think the science holds up for that at all. Colors and sounds of dinosaurs, they didn't match the best scientific theories of the time. They just kind of made them look and sound how they wanted to. The T -Rex, probably not that fast. The whole rough...

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (27:37.422)
Let's go faster.

Eli (27:41.836)
and venom spitting of the Dilophosaurus was like totally made up. So you know there's just a bunch of that kind of stuff you know and I think even like velociraptors actually aren't like that big either they're like turkey size I think is what I've heard.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (27:58.412)
I think they were like. Yeah. And they can't open doors, I will say I for well, this is true, I guess we can't go back. It sounds like a great idea. It wasn't until like two years, three years ago that I replaced the the doorknobs, they call throughout the inside of the house.

Eli (28:05.782)
As far as we know.

Eli (28:10.33)
can't know unless we recreate them.

Eli (28:27.099)
Mm -hmm.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (28:27.33)
We got the kind that has a little bar like in there so the Raptors grow. I would not buy those up until three years ago because I was afraid of Raptors getting in. Like if they were to come around and what they can get into my house. And I was like, we cannot do that.

Eli (28:29.615)
Yeah.

Eli (28:37.847)
Ha ha ha.

Eli (28:42.288)
Yeah, feels like it would be easier for zombies to open handle doors than knob doors, You know if there's ever a zombie apocalypse Zombies they can just lean against the handle and it'll open you know on accident But it'd be harder for them to turn a knob you know Yeah, you kind of have to know what you're doing

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (28:48.984)
That's a good point. We got zombies, dinosaurs.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (28:57.07)
careful.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (29:00.622)
Yeah, because you're going to have to grip strength.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (29:05.942)
The other thing I was as you were talking about the the they they couldn't really you can't really consult dinosaurs. I was thinking about I remember in a watching like a remaking or a making of the Lion King and how there's that one scene where like scars walking on the the cliff and you kind of see his shoulders move like that. And they were talking about how they were they would watch lions and whatnot walking on there and they would they

animated that to be able to mirror what it was like in real life. And so they can't do that with dinosaurs. So we've got to just guess that when the raptor goes to attack, kind of goes back and has its fingers out like that, or that the T -Rex would use its head to grab things and knock things over. so that's an interesting thing I hadn't thought of until just now.

Eli (29:37.048)
Mm

Eli (29:46.287)
Yeah.

Eli (29:52.09)
Right.

Eli (29:57.071)
Yeah.

Yeah, and we'll talk probably a little bit more about that when we talk about like the special effects teams and them how they how they kind of made the movements and stuff like that Which is really interesting. I did write down this quote from jack horner the paleontologist He said he said basically I was there to make sure that sixth graders didn't send him nasty letters about something being wrong So it's like i'm not there to like

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (30:04.513)
Okay.

Eli (30:27.43)
be like everything has to be 100 % lining up with the best theories. It's like, no, we're just here to make sure that like one of the big things that he said absolutely not to was the some of their original like animatics that they had of the Raptors had the Raptors like having like a little lizard tongue come out like snake lizard tongue. And he was like, absolutely not. They did not have those. cannot, you cannot put that in the movie. And so they're like, okay. I guess

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (30:48.373)
interesting.

Eli (30:56.89)
guess we'll take that out.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (30:58.882)
Well, it makes it more like scary almost if it's just like has its little, you know, nose and it's it's sniffing.

Eli (31:05.851)
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah for sure. Other major influences for Spielberg from, I guess from his childhood were the movies The Lost World from 1925, which was like the first time dinosaurs were ever on the big screen. Yeah, so this like stop motion, know.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (31:26.2)
That movie.

care with the not claymation, I guess kind of, yeah, that's stop motion. Yeah.

Eli (31:33.414)
Yeah, yeah. So that, and then King Kong, of course, 1933, you've got the the Kong versus the T -Rex kind of fight in that movie. So those were big inspirations for Spielberg and he really wanted what he, one of his goals for this movie was, know, all of those had had dinosaurs and it was like fun to see them on the big screen. But one thing that was still missing in like

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (31:43.16)
Yes.

Eli (32:03.398)
movies was dinosaurs and humans inhabiting the same space and in a like realistic way you know and so that was like the next level that he wanted to take things to and he you know he talked about he also had a childhood love of dinosaurs and his big thing along with you know what I just said was he wanted he he he didn't want this to be like

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (32:11.96)
Yeah.

Eli (32:31.776)
movie dealing with like monsters or horror that wasn't his goal what he wanted was he wanted to be like a real look at bringing dinosaurs back alongside humans that was like what he wanted and so you know that's why you hear things like in the movie like you know that they're they're just that's what they do they're dinosaurs you know

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (32:54.338)
Yeah. Or like when Wyn Grant is by the Triceratops and he just is like leaning on it as it's breathing and he's going back and forth.

Eli (33:01.878)
Mm -hmm. yeah Yeah, it makes it feel very real. It's just it's just a sick animal, you know, Mm -hmm Yeah, so or girl actually Yeah Which I noticed in the movie they kept they kept saying key for the t -rex I'm like, it's not a he it's they they already told you they're all girls Which you know, but yeah, so

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (33:08.482)
Yeah, just a big old boy.

a lot of poop. that's a good, yeah. A lot of poop.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (33:23.31)
Sushi? Yeah.

Eli (33:31.246)
Getting a list, we can go through the crew that worked on the movie. Kind of roll through these. Kathleen Kennedy and Gerald R. Mullen were the producers. Talked about this a little bit, the adaptation of the story by Michael Crichton and Molly Oskotch Marmo. And then the screenplay was written by David Kep. Michael Crichton has screenplay credit too.

But I think that that's just them giving credit where credit's due. Cause he wrote the original story. but yeah, I kind of mentioned some other things David Krepp has written, but, the director of photography or cinematographer, pick your whatever term you like best, is, Dean Cundy. He had just worked with Spielberg on hook. and he, he also worked, some things he had done in the past. he did the back to the futures.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (34:04.206)
It's fair.

Eli (34:29.389)
He worked on he was a cinematographer for the thing and Halloween so you kind of have some horror background there And he went on to do Apollo 13 too, which I thought was interesting Yeah So yeah, Dean Cundy, I think he did a really good job on this with the cinematography but

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (34:45.648)
Now for something completely different.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (34:53.09)
Yeah. Because there are a lot of like scenes like so me, I I briefly looked over the show notes and everything, because part of it, I like I want to like learn as you're going along. But now that now that I see that, it kind of makes sense because there are some like really good shots that are very horror like. But.

Eli (35:03.674)
Mm -hmm.

Eli (35:17.061)
Mm -mm.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (35:19.234)
Like I think the or situations that are very like creepy, especially with the kids in the kitchen, like that whole section. And like it screamed, but it's not like over the top or it's just like. But you have that suspense of like even like walking through with the click as it's going on. Why my hands are so. At animated today, but walking through with the click on the thing or even the one where they're charging for and she's trying to shut it.

Eli (35:26.244)
Yeah, yeah.

Eli (35:37.133)
Yeah.

Eli (35:40.984)
the

Eli (35:47.343)
yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (35:47.48)
just like screen and then it ends up being a reflection, which was like, I'd forgotten about that one. So it's so that makes sense. But it also but it wasn't like I said, it wasn't over the top horror. It was just that they really took advantage of the suspense.

Eli (35:52.718)
Yeah, yeah.

Eli (35:58.372)
Yeah.

Eli (36:05.036)
Mm -hmm. Yeah, absolutely and the you know, there's a lot of dark You know night scenes too, which the thing is like almost exclusively at night. So And so he had a lot of experience with with that which the thing is a great -looking movie too If you've never seen it Also, very gross at points, but that's an whole nother conversation

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (36:17.624)
right.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (36:28.302)
This is true. Yes. I will say, and they did a really good job at night. And this, might get into this later on, but like you can tell that he loves using sound stages, but they're able to have like, that's just kind of a Spielberg -esque thing. Anyway, whatever. But.

Eli (36:39.631)
Mm -hmm.

Eli (36:45.252)
Yeah, there's a good mix of location and soundstage shooting. yeah, and we'll definitely talk about we'll talk about that real soon, I think. Yeah, moving along. Yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (36:57.048)
But just so the lighting, the dark scenes were dark, but you could still see. And so I think that also speaks to Dean and his experience working in dark movies and things like that.

Eli (37:02.137)
Right.

Eli (37:06.064)
Yeah.

Eli (37:10.328)
Mm -hmm. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Because I mean Halloween, same thing, you know. Yeah, his faithful and Spielberg's faithful and true editor, Michael Kahn, his faithful and true composer and John Williams don't really need to say anything about either of them. I mentioned their name every episode, it feels like. Yeah, the sound was done by Rob

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (37:22.126)
Bye!

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (37:27.342)
Amazing.

Eli (37:39.674)
Judkins He did hook with Spielberg. So he is he was another one coming off of hook with Spielberg And he went on to do a bunch of more movies with Spielberg as well And then the sound effects editing was done by Richard Hems and Gary Rydstrom They did they had done some work with Spielberg before as well. In fact, I think they were last crusade guys so I think Yeah

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (38:07.182)
Sounds familiar.

Eli (38:09.68)
The production design was done by Rick Carter. So he had worked with Spielberg on his Amazing Stories series a lot. So brought him on from that. He also had done the production design for The Goonies. Which Spielberg produced and worked on the story for. So that's kind of his connection there. He went on to do more Spielberg after this too. So this is kind of a common theme here. These guys...

A lot of these guys go on to work with him on a lot of his upcoming 90s and 2000s movies. So we'll be probably hearing these names again. Art Direction was done by John Bell and William James Teagarden, which is a great last name. He did Back to the Future 2 and 3, so there's a connection with Spielberg. And he goes on to do a few other Spielberg movies.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (38:56.184)
It was fantastic listening.

Eli (39:09.574)
Yeah, mechanical special effects was Michael Lancieri. He'll go on to do the terminal with Spielberg and then he actually did stuff. He did work on Jurassic World as well. Just fun. The dinosaur models were done by Stan Winston, who worked on some notable things he's done, Terminator 2 and Iron Man. He did stuff for Iron Man.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (39:23.939)
Woo!

Eli (39:39.366)
Which is cool. visual effects, two main guys in that team. Phil Tippett, he worked on some Star Wars stuff, Temple of Doom, RoboCop, and Dennis Murin is the other guy. He worked on ET, he worked on Terminator 2, he worked on Temple of Doom. Both of those guys are, especially Dennis Murin is an ILM guy.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (39:39.426)
Hmm, interesting.

Eli (40:08.048)
which is George Lucas's industrial light and magic. They're kind of special effects, what would you call it? I guess studio, special effects studio. And Phil Tippett.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (40:18.584)
Yeah. And you can tell because it was done really well. it was done like, was very excellent in the way that it done. You could tell that they put a lot of time effort into it. wasn't just real quick. And that's why even though it's kind of aged a little bit, it's still enduring.

Eli (40:23.309)
yeah.

Eli (40:36.786)
yeah. Yeah. And, and we'll, mean, we'll spend a good bit of time talking about all that. And, Phil Tippett is, he was like a very like well -respected guy and, kind of doing models and stop motion, and all that kind of stuff. I actually just watched a movie that he made, stop motion movie called mad God. I think it came out a few years ago.

But he worked on that movie for like I want to say like 30 years It's a stop -motion Animated movie about this It's hard to describe. It's like this guy goes like descending into this underworld kind of thing And there's a it's just like full of like really interesting weird creepy images

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (41:35.107)
Yeah.

Eli (41:35.558)
Yeah, it's really it and just like it's worth watching just because like it's so well crafted just like looks incredible. so that's a shout out to phil tippett for that. He he deserves There deserves a shout out for that 30 years of work And then dennis murin, he's a really he's a really interesting guy he really really

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (41:51.128)
Go Phil!

Eli (42:02.352)
forward -thinking special effects guy. actually listen to, there's a podcast called Team Deacons, which is, I don't know if you've ever listened to that. It's Richard Deacons and his wife, I can't think of her first name, they co -host it. And Deacons, he's, you know, considered one of the best working cinematographers. He's done some amazing cinematography work, but they just have like,

They just have people that work in Hollywood on and do an interview and ask them about their life and their career and stuff. So there's a really good episode with Dennis Murin that I listened to that I recommend. So he kind of, he kind of talks about some of his work on Jurassic Park in that episode. So, and then other stuff he's done is it's a really, really interesting interview. And yeah, that podcast is just good. If you want to.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (42:39.917)
interesting.

Eli (43:00.228)
If you're like, I wanna hear what this guy has to say. But they have like, you know, he's a special effects guy. They also have, they'll have directors or writers or cinematographers or actors. They have like basically all the people on. So, yeah, yeah, that's kind of the crew. Let's run through the cast. Spielberg.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (43:18.989)
Okay.

Eli (43:28.206)
Before we jump into the names, Spielberg didn't want huge movie stars for this. He kind of talked about that in one of the making of documentaries. What he wanted was, well he felt like a big movie star would kind of distract from what he was wanting to do with the movie. It would be like they're the focus instead of the dinosaurs and the characters.

So he got just really solid actors that were just that were probably more like relatable to the everyday person.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (44:01.218)
Yeah. Kind of like what Lucas did with Han Solo or Harrison Ford played Han Solo. Like he wasn't famous, but he was reliable. He was there. Yeah.

Eli (44:06.98)
Mm -hmm. Yeah.

Really all those characters are like that. None of those characters were big movie stars, you know.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (44:18.986)
And because I think it also adds to the real realisticness of it, because if you had, let's say, I don't know, Brad Pitt as a paleontologist, that's not really all that believable. But someone like Sam Neal, it makes sense. Nothing about nothing against Sam Neal, but he's just he's he's a lot more he.

Eli (44:24.57)
Mm -hmm.

Eli (44:31.993)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Eli (44:40.003)
Mm

Eli (44:47.174)
He's more relatable. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, it does. That's exactly what Spielberg was going for. yeah, Sam Neal does play Grant, Dr. Grant. And this role was also offered to John Hurt, which would have been interesting. And also Tim Robbins was also considered.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (44:48.844)
Yeah, he's he's more of a real person, I guess, if that makes sense.

Eli (45:15.856)
But they ended up going with Sam Neill. Sam Neill was born in Ireland and raised in New Zealand. And for the movie, actually had tried to develop an American accent, and it wasn't very good. So I guess Spielberg let him just kind of like, he doesn't sound full on New Zealand accent, but he also doesn't sound American. So Spielberg just kind of let him like,

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (45:39.532)
Yeah, it does.

Eli (45:44.294)
do something in between I guess. But yeah, he had just been in The Hunt for Red October, which was a big movie in 1990. he actually, Samuel, shadowed Jack Horner for a bit to kind of prepare for the role, which I thought was pretty cool. I'm sure that was interesting for him.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (45:44.514)
You were right.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (46:05.742)
And that totally makes sense too.

Eli (46:11.974)
Yeah, Laura Dern plays Ellie Sattler. Laura Dern is, I feel like, such an underrated actress. She is so good in everything I've ever seen her in. But she was discovered by David Lynch. She was in a couple of his movies, Blue Velvet in 86 and Wild at Heart in 1990, which I've seen that one. I've seen Wild at Heart. She co -stars with Nick Cage in it. It's a pretty wild movie.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (46:21.966)
think so.

Eli (46:42.154)
which is in the title so she had just come off of an Oscar nomination for the movie Rambling Rose in 1991 which I don't know anything about but she was one she was one of those actresses that's more like well let me work with these more like independent directors

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (46:53.443)
No, me either.

Eli (47:05.434)
but she had been considered for this role and Nick Cage, who co -starred with her in Wild at Heart, really like pushed her. He was like, no, you gotta be in this movie. It's Steven Spielberg and there's dinosaurs. Like you gotta take this role. Which way to go, Nick Cage. Yeah, another reason to love him. But yeah, the role was also offered to Gwyneth Paltrow, which that would have been weird because she was really young at the time and that...

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (47:21.442)
Go Nick Cage, woo!

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (47:26.018)
Yes.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (47:33.422)
That would have very weird.

Eli (47:34.426)
That would have been a weird dynamic, I think, with Sam Neal and also how was she already so advanced in her field when she's in her low 20s? She should still be in grad school. guess so. yeah, so Gwyneth Paltrow was offered the role. Helen Hunt, that could have been good.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (47:48.942)
She's a child prodigy, was digging up her first bones at the age of 12.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (48:03.116)
Yeah, I could see her doing that.

Eli (48:04.708)
Yeah, Juliette Binoche would have been interesting too. you know, I really, really like Laura Dern in this role though. She's, she's fantastic.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (48:17.548)
And she was really able to kind of hit that balance of I'm strong and capable, but I'm also there are times where she's weak and there are times. So she hit that whole gamut of emotions and acting and that whole range to where it's. Yes. And she did a really good job of doing everything well.

Eli (48:32.633)
Mm -hmm.

Eli (48:37.72)
Yeah, very complex and

Eli (48:43.726)
Yeah, in both the way she's written and how Lardern acts the role, a very complex character. You can't pin her down, which that always makes for a great character when it's not like, this is this character that fits this archetype.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (48:59.916)
Yeah. Because like it was believable when she was when they're in the cars and she's talking with Dr. Malcolm and she's like, you he does the little water thing and he's like, she's like, Grant, look at this, look at this. Have you ever seen about this? And it was like, boom. So she's really like almost got that childlike wonder. And then almost in the very next one, she's like, hey, hold up. Let me get out of the car. And then she's in scientist mode. Yeah.

Eli (49:16.197)
Ha ha ha.

Eli (49:19.977)
huh.

Eli (49:24.81)
out of the car yeah yeah she's taking charge yeah yeah absolutely which that leads us to jeff goldbloom who plays ian malcolm ian malcolm interesting character one interesting thing is jim carrey actually asked to audition for ian malcolm which would have been very i don't know that would have been different this yeah the studio though stuck with

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (49:34.519)
Woo!

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (49:50.562)
I think it would have

Eli (49:53.818)
their initial vision, which was Jeff Goldblum. And I think that's good. Yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (49:58.094)
That was the best because you get the beautiful shirt down thing. You also get his his glorious laugh, which is.

Eli (50:07.298)
Yes, I love the way he... his line readings make it feel like he's improving it on the spot because he does a lot of like stuttering and like and stuff and you know he's kind of like talking like this and he makes the... he makes it feel like he's actually like coming up with these lines when he's really just doing a really good line reading of you know the script and yeah I love that.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (50:18.968)
Yeah.

Eli (50:36.878)
about what Goldblum does there.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (50:39.638)
And he was he was really a lot like I think all I think casting just overall was was fantastic things, but he had the job of being that straight man. But then also the guy who was questioning things, but then also kind of the comic relief and he was able to do it all. And and then also be cool while doing it. There's not very people who can be very cool walking up to.

Eli (50:48.107)
Mm

Eli (50:56.108)
Yeah.

Eli (51:04.57)
Yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (51:07.566)
Because I think he's like 6 '6 or something like maybe 6 '4. And to go up to a seven foot pile of poop and then just iconic roles, but then also to his laugh. and but it totally fit the character. And I don't I don't really know of anyone else who could have pulled it off. In the same way.

Eli (51:12.046)
I didn't realize he was that tall.

you

Eli (51:21.157)
Yeah.

Eli (51:31.682)
No, it wouldn't have been the same with anyone else. It could have been different and still good with someone else, but it wouldn't have been the same exactly. I think you're right there for sure. I did read at one point that Spielberg almost cut this character, and I'm glad he didn't. Moving on, Richard Attenborough plays John Hammond.

So he must have really liked Spielberg because Attenborough had actually suspended his acting career in 1979 to focus on directing. And so this is his first acting role since 1979. Yeah, which he did have kind of a special bond with Spielberg. And in fact, in 1983, Attenborough won the

DGA which is the Directors Guild Awards. He won the best director for Gandhi which he directed. But before the awards he was like talking with Spielberg and he was like, it's like it's locked in you're gonna win for ET and then he ended up winning. So he actually like he was convinced that Spielberg was gonna win directing for ET so they had a kind of a special bond.

they had a big, you know, great respect for each other. so, Amber was actually asked to direct Hook before Spielberg, but he was working on the movie Chaplin with Robert Downey Jr. at the time. so, Spielberg ended up directing Hook. So that's another little connection there.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (53:19.736)
That would have been a very interesting, I think it would have been very different if it had been Attenborough instead of Spielberg.

Eli (53:26.34)
It could have been, yeah.

yeah, yeah, for sure. But I'm, I did like, Attenborough in this movie. he does, you know, there's a couple of lines, like his line reading of like, welcome to Jurassic park is like great. It's iconic, you know? but other than that, there's not like a ton of like, he's really knocking it out of the park. He's just kind of doing a solid job with his role. he's, he's not like a standout performance.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (53:43.596)
Yes.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (53:54.926)
That's fair.

Eli (54:00.154)
But he does have a couple of great line readings, like, welcome to Jurassic Park. The little pause is so great. Yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (54:03.566)
Yeah. To Jurassic.

It's very like almost Shakespearean in a way. I think the other thing, the line that there were two other ones that really stick. I'll just go with the two. It was the we have T -Rex. And then that one is like he's like that grandpa who was really excited to tell the kids, you know, that thing. And then I think the other one is when they're eating all together and and he's like.

Eli (54:24.549)
Yeah.

Eli (54:29.133)
-huh.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (54:37.642)
I brought you guys here to defend me. Another one on my side is the blood sucking lawyer. Like it was really good, like exasperation and. And he's incredulous about the thing, and he really got that across in a way that still allowed him to be the lovable grandpa type character that looks like Spielberg wanted him to be.

Eli (54:41.584)
Yeah.

Eli (54:49.327)
Yeah, yeah.

Eli (55:00.492)
Mm -hmm Yeah, yeah for sure Yeah, yeah, I enjoyed him for sure Some other names Bob Peck plays Muldoon Martin Ferraro plays Gennaro BD Wong plays woo. Dr. Woo You have Gerald R Molland Jared R Mullen not with a D plays Harding who was you know as you may remember was

one of the producers of the movie. he played the Harding, is the guy that's with the Triceratops. he's one of the producers also. Miguel Sandoval plays Rustogno, which I think is the Amber Mines guy. then, yeah, I think he's, there's a few guys that are kind of like that guys, which is like,

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (55:32.681)
Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (55:37.89)
Yes. OK.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (55:51.246)
Okay, yeah, and he looks familiar too.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (55:59.672)
Yeah. yeah, that can...

Eli (55:59.934)
You don't ever remember their name, but you see them in everything Cameron Thor plays Dodgson Yeah The kids were Joseph Mazzello as Tim and Ariana Richards as Lex Ariana Richards didn't have a ton of a career after this but Joseph Mazzello has been in a good bit of stuff since Jurassic Park

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (56:07.822)
I've got docs and talks, and I've everybody cares.

Eli (56:29.53)
He's, let me see if I can pull up. He was in the Social Network, Bohemian Rhapsody. Those are kind of more recent ones that he's been in. He was in the Pacific, the mini series. So he's done some TV work too. Yeah, he's been working. I don't know that he's been anything in.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (56:39.05)
wow.

Eli (56:58.046)
I guess Bohemian Rhapsody was like five, six years ago at this point. So I don't know that he's been in much since then, but yeah, he's done some work in recent years.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (57:03.522)
Yeah, I think it was pre -COVID.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (57:12.716)
And they did, they did a good job.

Like I know that they're older, but I didn't feel as annoyed as I did with hot pie, pot pie, hot pie in Temple of Doom. So I feel like. So what? Short round, that's sorry, I was thinking pot pie anyway, because I'm hungry. But yeah, because like they weren't they. I think in many ways they kind of Spielberg kind of learned how to direct them.

Eli (57:27.207)
yeah yeah. Kiwi quang. Short round, is that what you're talking about?

Anyway,

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (57:44.792)
direct kids better so that it wasn't just, these people are here making issues and problems. They were there. They were characters who were part of the thing and that that played a role as well. And I thought that was really cool that they weren't just like there to create problems or to hamper the heroes. They were their own characters. And but they also weren't like adults, like kids who were playing adults.

Eli (57:48.826)
Yeah.

Eli (57:59.152)
Yeah.

Eli (58:09.721)
Well, Spielberg

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (58:14.168)
who are supposed to be kids. It happens a lot of times. They were kids with flaws, and there's a lot of good foreshadowing, too. Yeah.

Eli (58:14.242)
Right. Right.

Eli (58:20.606)
They act like kids. Yeah, in some of the making of Doc's, Richards, plays Lex, she kind of talks about how Spielberg would hang out and play with them on set. And then he would kind of in the midst of them playing around and hanging out, throw out questions about the next scene.

or scenarios for the next scene. And so it was kind of like, guess her in hindsight looking back was kind of thinking about how, he was like warming us up and getting us comfortable so that we would be like ready to like jump in and be like, be like loosened up and not like tense. And then he would like, he didn't just like walk up to them and be like, here's what you're gonna do. He like played with them and like,

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (58:51.296)
Interesting.

Eli (59:19.076)
showed them like, like I care about you, you know?

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (59:22.966)
And he's a person in his personal life. He had had a divorce, right, because he was he was just getting over that in The Last Crusade or about to just started or something like that. And so he was. And he's a dad, right, or was a dad at that point. Yeah, so he got to use some of that parental type stuff and and he probably knew that, hey, this is how we get kids.

Eli (59:29.476)
Mm -hmm.

Eli (59:35.138)
Right. Right.

Eli (59:42.84)
Mm -hmm. Yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (59:51.02)
You know, loosen up a little bit by actually like not just forcing them to work all the time, but. Thank you, that's really interesting and then kind of getting to know.

Eli (59:55.077)
Mm

Eli (59:59.94)
And I think at this point he's married again. and he has another child. and I think they, I can't remember when they adopted, they adopted a, a boy too. And it seems like they might've already been in that or had him, and we're going to adopt him at this point or maybe already had. So he had a few kids at this point. but yeah,

Mizzello who played Tim he also he talked about how like he Trusted like he would like trust his ideas and talk to him like he mattered like he would talk to him not like, know condescendingly but like, you know, You're you know Your ideas matter too, you know, that sort of thing. So that was a quarter here

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:00:41.985)
Yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:00:46.614)
Caird, get over here, yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:00:53.9)
And I think that's evident in it because the kids were like I mentioned before, they were believable as kids, but they also fit their characters. It wasn't them trying to make the kids be adults or like dumbed down, like stereotypes of what kids should be like at that age.

Eli (01:01:03.727)
Right.

Eli (01:01:11.78)
Yeah. Yeah. And I think, I think, one of the things about this movie, is that it feels like a rare movie that's for both adults and kids. Like it caters to both, like it caters to like the appetites of kids, like what they want to see in movies and also like what adults want to see in movies as well. like caters to both of those, like in a

like just really well blended way. And yeah, it's really, really well crafted in that way, I think.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:01:52.59)
Sure. Because it was one like that I wanted to watch as a kid and my parents didn't have an issue watching it because it wasn't just it didn't have that Christopher Columbus style, you know, all type thing. But it also wasn't like adult level James Cameron alien style, you know, things that had fit that good. Yeah.

Eli (01:01:55.715)
Mm -hmm.

Yeah.

Eli (01:02:05.478)
Yeah,

Eli (01:02:15.532)
Right, yeah. It's something in between, Yeah, absolutely. Rounding out the cast, have Samuel L. Jackson as Arnold. During this period of his career, he just had a ton of great supporting roles. It really wasn't until the next year with Pulp Fiction that he really kind of like broke out and had like, that was his game -changing role, I think. But yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:02:26.872)
Woo!

Eli (01:02:45.23)
Samuel L. Jackson, very good. I almost wonder if he would have played this character way differently if he would have done this after Pulp Fiction. Because he's pretty subdued in this one.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:02:57.792)
I could see that. Yeah. I had actually forgotten he was in it. And then I was rewatching it and I was like, Samuel, I wonder how they got him.

Eli (01:03:08.11)
Yeah, no, I mean at this point in his career he really like He he kind of probably was like a that guy at that point of his career He just would pop up in supporting roles in a ton of stuff So,

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:03:23.894)
And he has that really like, hold on your butts, very like, I am done with this type. He really gets that across well. And I think that was also really realistic, like the guy who's just, I am tired of all this crap. I am done with it.

Eli (01:03:30.744)
Yeah. -hmm. Yeah.

Eli (01:03:40.216)
Yeah I think it was I can't remember if it was sam neill or somebody else On the on the crew or something and one of the making of docs were talking about how They were like as soon as I saw him like always with like a cigarette in his mouth I knew he was gonna die because the guy that's always smoking a cigarette always dies I thought that was funny. Yeah Yeah, last but not least we have wayne knight as nedry

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:04:01.646)
Interesting.

Eli (01:04:11.813)
Wayne, I always, I never refer to him as Wayne Knight, I always refer to him as Newman. Just, yeah. But yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:04:17.986)
Yeah, Newman or Neddry, one of the two.

I like, I looked at the thing, was like Wayne Knight, who is, Andrew, yep, Andrew Newman.

Eli (01:04:26.154)
Newman. Spielberg actually discovered him in the movie Basic Instinct. has a supporting role in that movie and Spielberg saw him and he was like, we got to get this guy in. And another interesting fun fact is that Nedry throughout the movie wears the same wardrobe as the Goonies kids. So he starts off like in the floral shirt, like chunk. At one point he's in the yellow raincoat.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:04:52.332)
Yeah.

Eli (01:04:55.658)
And then at one point he's in a gray Rennbreaker like Josh Brolin's character So he kind of runs the gamut of the the Goonies wardrobe. I thought that was a fun one little fact Yeah Easter egg I guess kind of thing

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:05:07.608)
very interesting. That's that is intriguing. Yes. And he does say. And I think he does a good job of being that that kind of he's he's the bad guy, cause everything to happen, but you're also not like super mad at him, but you're also really annoyed at him. But then you also kind of feel bad for him.

Eli (01:05:27.63)
Yeah. Yeah. I feel like I feel like he does a fine job with the role and the way it's written. It's. If I had to pick like one part of the movie that's like the weakest, it's like that whole row role and stuff. It's just kind of like. I don't know, it's just it feels a little bit off.

Might just be the very like sitcom nature of Wayne Knight as an actor But yeah, it it doesn't bother bother me that much it's just like it's one of those things where it's like Okay, if this would have been done. I Don't know almost almost kind of wanted that would have wanted that role if I You know if I was doing it

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:06:03.854)
That's fair.

Eli (01:06:24.816)
who have been more serious of a character and not just kind of like a goofy dude character. don't know, a guy that you can really like hate would have been nice in the movie.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:06:38.562)
Yeah. Well, almost if it had been someone like Dotson, because he could have that kind of more like insidious, like, hmm, why is he there?

Eli (01:06:48.686)
Yeah, maybe. But, but alas, we have Newman and, you know, I will say this, it's pretty satisfying to see if, if I'm a huge Seinfeld fan and, know, Newman is like the nemesis. And so it's really satisfying to see, to see Newman get eaten, eaten up by a dinosaur. Why he is taunting the dinosaur, calling it stupid. Like he deserved it.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:07:09.122)
No, I feel the worst thing for him. Because it's like,

Yeah.

Well, that one.

Eli (01:07:19.228)
He ruined everything like come on

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:07:22.562)
That is I mean, that's where that's where like the whole thing goes. But at the very end of it, I feel bad for him because I could see myself in that position where like nothing's going right. And I'm just trying to do something and I'm going. And then the dinosaur just happens to appear in the car. And like it wasn't until like recently that I was able to actually I didn't cover my eyes during after he gets with the little guy.

little dilapidated sources like cooing and then flurries out his thing. Like that whole scene even into the car I would always close my eyes even like up until like a couple years ago because it was just even green like this is scary. I can't look at it. And then in the car how it and then the way that they they have his death without getting too much just and the way that he was able to just kind of anyway so it kind of it

Eli (01:07:55.269)
Mm -hmm.

Eli (01:08:05.466)
Yeah, yeah.

Eli (01:08:20.53)
Yeah, yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:08:21.249)
The way that it played into his death with his kind of being that goofy, over the top character and with that series of events of unfortunate events, kind of if they were going to have that character in there, I think the way they did it was the best.

Eli (01:08:35.236)
Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, that's pretty much that's the cast and we'll definitely get more into the characters too a little later on. Yeah, let's jump into this production stuff. It's, you know, it's early 90s, so CGI is kind of in its infancy. So it wasn't really like on Spielberg's mind of like, let's jump into CGI when they started this movie.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:08:49.006)
Woo!

Eli (01:09:04.358)
He and really like the cgi stuff being done if you think about movies like the abyss and terminator 2 both james cameron which were 1989 and 1991 they kind of had imaginary creatures or whatever that were cgi created so they weren't like beholden to anatomy and the laws of physics really so you you know you can kind of

the dinosaurs had to be because Spielberg's vision was for them to feel like they're inhabiting the same space as humans and behold into the same anatomy and physics as things that are alive. it really wasn't like on his radar when he started working on this movie that, we're gonna try to do CGI. So we're gonna go old school.

Eli (01:10:02.726)
Phil brought Phil Tippett in and Stan Winston to work on the animatronics, the clay miniatures, and yeah, planning on doing the stop motion animation with GoMotion, was like a, GoMotion was like a modified stop motion, a little bit more advanced that Phil Tippett had developed. And so,

I'm not sure exactly what that entails, but I'm sure you can look up a YouTube video what co -motion was. if you want to go down that bunny trail on your own time, feel free. I'm sure it's very interesting. I do know one of the big ones that was used in was, what's the movie called? It's like Joseph and the Argonauts or I think I have the wrong name. Jason and the Argonauts. Yeah. With the little fight of the skeletons.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:10:56.6)
Jason in the oven.

Eli (01:11:01.264)
fighting the skeletons. That was like go -motion animation. And so yeah, he had brought those guys in to do that. planned for, he wanted full -size robotic animatronic dinosaurs that Stan Winston was to create. They did a ton of concept art. It's really cool. I'm sure you've seen a good bit of it as a Jurassic Park fan.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:11:01.922)
Yeah, think so. Yep, think that's about right.

Eli (01:11:31.218)
Watching like the making of stuff and you know in the in the blu -ray you can kind of go in flip through some of the concept art It's really fun to look at all that And they They just had like a room full of like drawings and stuff when you when you watch the making of it's like they were really digging deep into this Yeah, it was fun to hearing Spielberg because this this animatronic t -rex that they built was

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:11:40.545)
is really cool.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:11:51.683)
For sure.

Eli (01:12:00.782)
humongous it was like i don't remember how tall it was it was i mean it was like life size so it was built to be the same size as like if you go to a museum and there's a t -rex you know you know bones laid out and how big it was it was that big and i think it weighed like nine or ten thousand pounds it was it was absolutely humongous

Eli (01:12:29.604)
And so yeah, he made these, what they were planning on was like for anything. So obviously anytime they were in motion, like dinosaurs in motion running or anything, they were just gonna do like the go motion animation for that stuff. And then for everything else they were gonna do the big animatronic robots. So think T -Rex and the Triceratops.

All that sort of stuff was all going to be animatronics.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:13:04.526)
Well, not like the when the T -Rex and they're outside the T -Rex pen and they're in the car and you're you Grant and them and they're the T -Rex is like looking at them and like blows in their face to be able to do that. And CGI would not have the same effect because that way they were actually able to react to the giant 10 foot thing, not just a stick with the tennis ball.

Eli (01:13:14.1)
Mm -hmm.

Eli (01:13:21.358)
Right. And so.

Eli (01:13:26.146)
the actual thing. Yeah. Yeah, and I think the Triceratops is like the best example of that. Because what ends up happening is, and we'll get to this as we keep going, but they do, you know, dive into CGI, but they keep a lot of the scenes with these big animatronic, you know, robotic dinosaurs that are really there on set. And what

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:13:32.035)
Yes.

Eli (01:13:54.95)
What they replaced this for CGI is like instead of doing the go motion, stop motion stuff for the dinosaurs like running and stuff, they do CGI. So they really just replaced that part. So you do still have like real huge life -sized dinosaur robots on set for this movie. But yeah, the first ILM demo of CGI was in November of 1991.

they showed Spielberg these running Gallimimuses. They were just skeletons at the time. They weren't even fully fleshed. They just showed him the concept of what they would look like running as Gallimimus skeletons. Dennis Murin is the one that called him up. Spielberg was not pushing to go CGI, but Dennis Murin calls him up. He's the ILM guy.

And he's like, Hey, I think, I think we can do this. Let's, let's try it. And actually in that interview, that team Deacon's podcast interview with Mirren, he talks about how one of the things that he, that he was constantly doing in his career is he was like trying to push stuff forward. Like he, he was like, there's probably things that if I didn't push for it,

wouldn't have happened, you know, back in the day. So this is probably an example of that. wasn't like they were like really itching to go CGI, but he was like, let's try this. I think we can do it. And Spielberg's like, okay. Spielberg, I think actually told him like, okay, prove it, you know. So they start with these Gallimimuses. They eventually get to the T -Rex and the T -Rex attacking the Gallimimuses. And it was when they were...

looking at the T -Rex NCGI. They were looking at it and I think it was like Phil Tippett was there and he was like, well I think I'm out of a job and Spielberg said don't you mean extinct? And that's what ended up in the movie between Malcolm and Grant when they're kind of walking up the steps when they're first getting there.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:16:05.262)
That's great.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:16:11.15)
Yeah.

Eli (01:16:18.662)
So that little interaction between Tipit and Spielberg ended up making it into the script. Yeah, yeah love that kind of stuff Yeah, so Tipit didn't get fired he didn't get Out of his job. He just joined Mirren's team because really like his expertise and how motion works was still like very very relevant and very needed He ended up kind of being

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:16:25.912)
That's fantastic.

Eli (01:16:47.302)
in a way like the CGI director for this animation team. Helping them figure out how to get the motion right and all that. they start shooting in August of 1992 and they eventually wrap up in November, end of November in 1992.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:17:13.89)
I I feel like that's very short. For especially nowadays, like that would be very short because like some of these movies, like they're taking like multiple years to make.

Eli (01:17:18.405)
Yeah.

Eli (01:17:27.288)
Yeah, and i've talked about this with some other people on the podcast but the turnaround back then was way faster. So they would shoot a movie over two or three months and then it would be out like later that year. They would like shoot a movie in the summer and then it would come out for Christmas. They were just pumping movies out. The studio schedules were way faster back then. I don't know

And I was I think I had talked about how I have this theory that I don't know how to prove but that you would think they were editing film back then and film should take longer than digital editing Because you know you have to cut the film and you have to like go through all the film but the reality is when you're shooting on film you

you don't just like shoot everything, anything and everything. When you're shooting digital, it's like you can shoot anything and everything. So there's just like such a tremendous amount more footage to go through in editing. Yeah, then you would with shooting on film. And so that's my theory is like actually digital like extends the process because the post -production takes way longer.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:18:33.582)
Yeah, you have so much more B footage.

Eli (01:18:50.596)
I know if that's true. I'm sure I could ask some industry people and they could tell me if it was true. I just haven't done that. So I need to I need to find somebody to ask about that. That would know. So.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:19:02.35)
I will also, I have some friends who do editing. That might be.

Eli (01:19:06.094)
Yeah. But yeah, really probably need someone that's done both that can like compare the process for film editing and digital editing. But yeah, they originally wanted to shoot in Costa Rica, but Spielberg was worried about the infrastructure, having good roads and buildings and whatnot that were reliable.

So he went somewhere instead that was a good second that he had worked before which was Hawaii They did three weeks of shooting in Hawaii mostly on the island of I'm gonna try to pronounce this right? Kawe or kawaii or something like that Yeah, but yeah, they shoot they do a lot of shooting here

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:19:57.902)
Something like that.

Eli (01:20:02.962)
They shoot the park gate the iconic Park gate the T -Rex fence kind of T -Rex paddock area The amber mine is shot in Hawaii And also like the sick triceratops is shot there there's obviously like a lot of You know, you have the the helicopter and like the all of that stuff is

all of that, you know, kind of insert footage of landscape that you get. Jungle landscape is all shot there, obviously. The Raptor Enclosures thing was shot at a Limahuli Nature Preserve. Cool. I don't know where that is, but maybe someone listening does. But yeah, they do lots of like empty landscape shots because they're starting to prep for, you know,

adding in CGI later, they've kind of decided at this point that's what they're doing. so, think the only thing they shot not on that island was the Galamima Stampede. They shot that on Oahu, which is a different island. But yeah, it's probably, so I mean, the way it works is they do location scouting. So they'll go out and they'll find, and they probably just couldn't find,

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:21:22.488)
Wonder why that was different.

Eli (01:21:33.648)
the right landscape for that scene on that island. so they were just like, let's go. You know, probably like asked around and someone was like, this would be perfect. And so they're like, okay, we'll go there then. That's usually how it goes. But yeah, they did. One of the things that when you are working with CGI, so when you're working with GoMotion, there's like these specialized cameras that you need.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:21:46.114)
Yeah, that makes sense.

Eli (01:22:01.766)
That take a lot longer to like get out there and set up and and get going But since they had decided to go CGI It was actually like a lot quicker process So shooting was way quicker. They got a lot of stuff Ready for that They actually though had their time in Hawaii cut short a hurricane and Nikki hit on September 11th 1992 it was a category five

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:22:02.019)
Mm

Eli (01:22:31.97)
hurricane that hit they were you can see and there's some there's in one of the making of docs and then there's also like a little feature at about it they they talk about it you can see them they're all like in this hotel there's like no power and they're all like huddled up and there's some footage of them going out and looking around during the eye of the storm and yeah it just like

wrecked that island I guess. But it hit that island like head on I think. they didn't get to finish shooting there. They had to cut a few things that they didn't get to shoot. I think the most notable one that they ended up not getting to shoot was Arnold's death. They were supposed to be like a scene with Arnold's death. Which when I...

realized that made a ton of sense because there is this sense when you watch the movie of like, okay, there's something missing, like Arnold leaves and then all of a sudden they're like deliberating on, okay, one of us needs to go because Arnold hasn't got the job done. And there's this sense of like, okay, but what happened to Arnold? Like, why is he? And so it makes sense like, they just didn't get to shoot that, his death.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:23:54.446)
That's it, because.

Yeah,

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:24:03.182)
Sorry, I'm I'm contemplating that now, but it's it's also interesting. Hmm. It also does create more suspense that we didn't see it because I remember for the longest time I was fooled every time I was also a kid. I was like eight years old. Yeah. With the arm there. was like, OK, good. He's there. And then he's not there. And it's like, So it's.

Eli (01:24:04.947)
Processing. Yeah.

Eli (01:24:15.89)
Maybe so, yeah.

Eli (01:24:21.466)
With the arm thing, yeah.

Eli (01:24:26.394)
Yeah I think my wife made that same noise when she watched it. She had never seen it before and she watched it with me. So she's not really like that into like super intense movies and so like this this for me is like not that intense at all and but for her this is like this is like about as much as she can handle. And so yeah she I think she made that exact noise when the arm

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:24:34.64)
Eli (01:24:56.282)
when the severed arm came out on Lara Dern's shoulder. But yeah, so they, you know, there was, I don't know what other scenes they did. That was the only one that in my research I saw they weren't able to shoot. So they leave Hawaii, they go back to California. They do a couple of days in the Mojave Desert when they get back for the excavation site. And then yeah, the rest of it's on sound stages at Universal and Warner Brothers.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:24:57.315)
Yeah.

Eli (01:25:25.358)
All the stuff with the dinosaurs, robotic dinosaurs, the night jungle scenes, all the interiors, all of that is on sound stages. The T -Rex attack is on a sound stage. They did a complete recreation of their T -Rex paddock that they had shot in Hawaii. And having the night scenes.

Basically like for all of that stuff there's so much that can go wrong that you kind of need a more controlled environment To to actually like get the shots done and get them, right? Which the Dean Cundy kind of talks about at one point in the making of like there's just you can't do it on location You have to do it on a soundstage Which makes total sense

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:26:00.238)
That's what I was thinking.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:26:17.334)
It does. It's probably a little more pricey because you have to recreate everything, but it also you have that perfect control over lighting, over sound, over everything.

Eli (01:26:25.328)
yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. So getting a little bit more into the effects, the effects team was essentially like four major guys that we we've mentioned earlier in the cruise. So you have like the the miniatures being made by Tippett. Those those eventually get scanned and processed.

to help with the design of the graphic designers. And he ends up moving into helping them figure out how to animate them on the computers instead of animating them with miniatures. So that's what Phil Tippett oversaw. Stan Winston was the full -size robotics guy. He did all of those models. Michael Lancieri.

Basically his main job was supervising all the elements on set. So he was kind of like coordinating all of the specialists. once they, like Stan Winston's like making the robotics and making them work. And then Lanterre is the guy that like steps in and makes sure that like that is coordinating with all the other stuff on set sort of thing. And then of course Dennis Murin is like the ILM team leader.

He's kind of a lot of his work is in post ends up being in post production with the CGI stuff. So those four guys are like the Yeah, yeah, they're like they make this thing happen really Yeah, so, you know you have the big the big dinosaurs the t -rex this Triceratops

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:28:04.558)
Dream Team.

Eli (01:28:18.884)
which we've talked about, they give a much more like tangible feel to things.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:28:23.65)
Yeah. I think like, because, and I mentioned before, when Grant's kind of resting on the thing, like there's, there's no way that could have happened with CGI. And that's like, that, that made things so much more real. Like I, if you had a, you have Grant who said triceratops was his favorite, you know, dinosaur back in the day. And you had a giant thing like that. I could totally see doing that.

Eli (01:28:34.916)
Yeah, exactly.

Mm -hmm.

Eli (01:28:50.295)
Yeah, absolutely.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:28:51.042)
Just like, cause like I'll even like have a little dog, like little poodle and, you know, she might lay behind my head and I'll like lift my head up and then lay my head on like use her as a pillow. And, and it's just, it's just something to do. And, and it, cause it just, and I think it gets back to the whole, child, like, you know, adult, but not like a childish adult, but, and I think that that, using the animatronics, they were able to actually do that.

Eli (01:28:59.332)
Yeah.

Eli (01:29:03.002)
Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Eli (01:29:18.2)
Yeah, yeah one of the cool things that that kind of like sums up this like transition period between and in special effects between like practical effects and CGI is Something that Phil Tippett and his team helped create it they called it the DID which was the dinosaur input device and so he actually like they went ahead and made these

little like miniature dinosaurs without like all the skin and stuff but made them the right the right like size and shape models in the way that they would for doing like stop motion so you know you have you have the all the like joints and stuff that you can move and manipulate and what they did was they put little they equipped those things with

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:30:18.446)
The little sensor dot things.

Eli (01:30:19.731)
some sort of sensors that would take the motion that they would do on the little model and input that into the computer program. And so they were basically animating the dinosaurs by manipulating an actual physical model. So the CGI, some of the, obviously that's not,

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:30:38.734)
That's cool.

Eli (01:30:44.76)
all of it because you can't really do running necessarily that way. I guess you can if you're doing like stop motion you would do running so I guess you can like do some of that but but yeah they use this like dyno input device to to do a lot of the the motion stuff which I thought was cool and I thought it was like so apt as like this transition it's like

It's still like a physical model, but it also like has digital sensors on it that are like inputting the motions into the computer program to help animate these dinosaur motions. like, yeah. But yeah, and one thing that they kind of learned was CGI does not make the work easier. It just makes it different. You have new problems and different problems and they're actually kind of like

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:31:21.966)
That's really cool.

Eli (01:31:39.174)
pioneering this so you know they don't have anything to work go off of really they're they're doing something that hasn't been done before and you know

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:31:48.92)
I wonder if that's why it is so, what is it called? Because they were trying, like that's why it's so enduring, I guess, for the stuff is because it was like, hey, this is our first go at this. Let's make it as good as we can go. Yeah, I'm going to, that makes sense.

Eli (01:32:00.229)
Mm -hmm.

Eli (01:32:06.501)
Yeah.

Eli (01:32:10.82)
Yeah, yeah, and I mean there's stuff too. It's that like didn't work that they just like that's something that Spielberg is pretty good at is when something doesn't work. He'll just cut it Like I think they were trying to do this thing where they had the kids like on the t -rex at some point And it just didn't it just didn't look right. So they're like, okay, we're just not doing that They couldn't get it to look right. So Yeah, they do

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:32:29.499)
wow.

Eli (01:32:39.856)
They do a ton of work with motion too. Phil Tippett has the animators thinking dinosaurs. He gets them to do pantomime classes. And there's even footage of them. They recorded themselves running around like dinosaurs to get a feel for what the motion would be like for a living thing to run in that way. And then they also like.

observed the movements of a ton of different animals, so there's this cool part in one of the making of Docs where like they're they're like going back and forth between like animal footage that they that they watched and like the footage of the dinosaurs the one that stood out to me is there's this footage of like a rhino running and like then like bashing its head into something beside it and then it

goes immediately to the T -Rex running beside the Jeep and like banging its head into the Jeep. like they did, they watched like crocodiles, lizards, giraffes, elephants, ostriches, rhinoceroses. So all these kinds of animals, they kind of like used as reference points for the motions of the dinosaurs. So yeah, they did.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:33:39.502)
Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:33:59.854)
Which is, guess, what... So they were able to kind of do what it was like the Lion King thing that I brought up before, is that they were interesting.

Eli (01:34:06.074)
Mm

Eli (01:34:11.94)
Yeah, and I was actually thinking that when you said that, was like, we're to get to that later. So yeah, they are like using real animals to kind of like inform how to make these things look like they're moving and like alive. And yeah, one of the things that really helped a ton was that Spielberg storyboarded for like most of the shots of the film. And so they even like

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:34:39.403)
board.

Eli (01:34:41.656)
And then on top of that, they even did like animatics, which if you're not familiar with it, what an animatic is, it's basically like, okay, let's take this scene and do an animation of it so that we can get a good feel for like where the actors need to be, where the cameras need to be, that sort of thing. And so there's actually, you can watch full animated versions of the kitchen scene with the Raptors and the T -Rex attack.

It's yeah, it's it's fun. they're like little clay, people and stuff. I think there's even like, like some action figures at some point. they, it's kind of like a, it's not all animated in the same way necessarily. They're like doing different things for different parts of it. but yeah, the storyboards, it, basically helps them to know what shots are needed. so like when they get to the kitchen, like they have this animatic to go off of this is what we're

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:35:16.6)
Mama, I will think of me.

Eli (01:35:40.816)
This is what we're going to shoot. This is what we're looking for. So they're not like having to figure it out. They can go in. They can get the shots. And then in editing, you're not really having to go through a ton of stuff because you're like, this is the shot we need. Now we just need to send it off the final cut to the CGI team to add this stuff in. And they also have the animatic to go off of. OK, this is.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:35:59.086)
We just need this to look like this.

Eli (01:36:09.11)
dinosaur the raptors gonna jump up on this table we need to add that in that sort of thing yeah so they also did they also had a couple of guys in like raptor suits too for that that's in the movie some they have these like little gadgets in there i don't know if it was like a joystick or what to like manipulate the movements of the this the suit

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:36:36.814)
Probably with the eyes and the nose and the, yeah.

Eli (01:36:38.956)
Yeah, the tail that sort of thing. They had like a little screen that was like right there in their face to see to be able to see what they were doing or going, you And they also had Spielberg even at one point was like the puppeteers were like the unsung heroes So they for the for the huge like t -rex for example, there's this like team of guys that are puppeteering this thing And they have to be like in total sync, you know, because they're all

they're all manipulating and controlling different parts of this huge T -Rex robot. And so they really have to be all in sync. They had to like rehearse these movements all together so that it looks like realistic and, you know, one part isn't moving in a way that's like out of sync with the way the rest of the dinosaur is moving, you know. But they had like a one fifth scale

dinosaur telemetry system, which is basically like this one one -fifth scale model is Linked with cables to the big robot And so you have the puppeteers like moving those parts and it's controlling the big one Yeah, one of the things with that too is Spill wars like always got to have rain in this scene. It's gonna make it so much better if it's well the Stan Winston was like

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:37:53.422)
That's really cool.

Eli (01:38:08.942)
This isn't made for water And so it's so that when you have a such a huge robot like that the calibrations are very like There it's like very finely tuned in the calibrations for like the movements and the motions and all of that is based on the weight of it Obviously, you know and so like you have this thing getting soaked and so like in between shots that you you see all these people like running in I'm like

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:38:29.134)
okay.

Eli (01:38:37.978)
with towels and like trying to dry it off because and it they even showed like there would be points where like the because these dinosaurs these robots move very smoothly. It's like a really really well engineered robotics because it it really does they move so smoothly and naturally but when the calibration is off there's some shots that it shows where you know it was too heavy from all the water and so it starts like shaking

Like it's like, which was really funny to see. That dinosaur is wet and he does not like it.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:39:08.366)
What's wrong with that dinosaur?

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:39:15.308)
No, he does not. That's I, you you never you don't think about that kind of thing.

Eli (01:39:20.932)
yeah, it's fun. Really great. Yeah, so... And then you have other stuff like, you know, the lawyer being eaten off of the toilet is like half of that shot is a real stunt shot and half of it is CGI. So they actually did film him on the toilet and they, you know, he's attached to a cable. It's not him, the actor, it's a stunt guy.

He gets like it's like launches him off of the toilet like pulls him, you know up and away from the toilet and so when they sent Basically, like they have a shot of him of that and then they have a shot of that set with that same like Frame I guess without him there and so Yeah, they the CGI team just added it basically when he gets pulled to a certain point

And dinosaur catches him. changed. They changed. They actually have him. He's CGI at that point. He's not a real It's not like a real him anymore. It's hanging out at the t -rex mouth. This is a CGI version So yeah, it's really cool really like they're doing stuff. They're doing stuff. That's like really impressive for this time and then you know, there's a lot of details too in the movie like two of the things that stood out to me are like

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:40:36.174)
It's so cool how they do that.

Yeah.

Eli (01:40:48.794)
The barbassol can is just like so great. And the art guy that designed that, he said like he was trying to figure out what to do. And he was like at the store and he saw a barbassol can. He was like, this is perfect. This is like, it looks great. It's like stands out from all the other cans. And so yeah, he took it back and he was like, hey, hey, you know, I think we can do something with this. And she was like, great, it looks great.

So that's how that ended up in the movie. And I love the little mechanics of how it pops open and stuff. Just little details like that are so good. And then the other one that stands out is the water ripples in the cup when the T -Rex is coming. Spielberg was determined to get that in the movie. And it seems like it was maybe Michael Lancieri that was trying to figure out. was like, they couldn't get it to do it.

They were like, how are we going to get this? And he said he went home. It was like they were supposed to be shooting it the next day. And he still hadn't figured out how to get that water to ripple. But he kept telling Steven, like, yeah, we're working on it. And yeah, yeah. And so he went home and he got out his guitar and he had a couple of waters sitting there. And he just started plucking strings on his guitar, I guess, hooked up to an amp. And there was a certain.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:42:02.094)
We'll have a dance soon,

Eli (01:42:17.796)
string that when he plucked it, the vibrations I guess of that frequency made the water ripple. And so what they did is they rigged up that same type of guitar string running through the, you know, the Jeep under the water glass and they were just plucking that under there to get the water to ripple. Which is like so great, like just so fun.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:42:45.678)
That is so cool.

Eli (01:42:47.55)
you know

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:42:48.512)
And that's such an iconic, like, thing. So you're knowing what's going to happen to stuff like that. You can start to see and like look and like so you notice. And then, course, with John Williams and he has like the music go along with it, too. But you can see, like just before Malcolm notices it, it's happening. And and it's just and that's like.

Eli (01:42:57.555)
yeah.

Eli (01:43:09.507)
yeah.

And you also have like the mirror shaking, which is great. Yeah. Which I think that came from Spielberg, like called one of the special effects guys and was like, he was listening to, I think he said earth, wind and fire in his car and his mirror was shaking and he called them and he was like, Hey, we need to have the mirror shake when the T -Rex is coming. Yeah. The sounds are, are incredible in this movie too.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:43:15.096)
Yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:43:34.254)
That's great.

Eli (01:43:40.542)
So I wanted to make sure to touch on those. The T -Rex steps, get this, are recordings of falling redwood trees. So, you know, redwood tree getting cut down. That's the T -Rex step. And then, of course, you have all the like the sounds that the T -Rex makes or the sounds that all the dinosaurs make is like, are these like

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:43:57.102)
Okay, I can see that.

Eli (01:44:10.072)
combinations of like real animal sounds. So the T -Rex is in the deep registers you have like a crocodile sound and a lion sound and they I can't remember if it was like Rydstrom or it was one of those sound guys that was in the documentary a lot and the key sound he said was actually the sound that a baby elephant made that they recorded which is great it's like this like

you know, really big blast of a sound that like layered on top of those deeper sounds really like makes it a full dinosaur roar. Really cool. The Dilophosaurus is like a combination of and they make a few different sounds. So one of them is a swan. Yeah, yeah, one of them is a swan. One of them, like when he opens his like ruff around his neck.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:44:58.798)
That's little more cooing almost.

Eli (01:45:08.206)
It's like a combination of a hawk and a rattlesnake. And then they even do like a howler monkey sound at one point, like the whooping. And then the raptors, the key that so the T -Rex actually had more sounds than I mentioned. Like I think there's a dog in there. There's there's a bunch of sounds. The the raptors had several sounds to the two key sounds were dolphin and walrus, though, which

If you don't know, if you haven't ever seen a walrus making sounds, you should look it up because it's really, it's really, really cool. Walruses can make like so many different sounds. And they can, there's actually like, they train them to make the, like to on command make these different sounds. So it's a, you should look it up sometime if you think about it.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:46:00.162)
Now I'm thinking about like seal sounds, like I don't know if I've ever heard a

Eli (01:46:04.762)
Yeah, I don't know if Seals can do what Walruses can do, but I know for this it's like a Walrus sound. And I saw or heard a video of these Walruses obeying commands of like, they're like, now grumble, now bark, and now do this. And the Walrus is making tons of different sounds. It's really cool. Yeah, the sound design is really incredible for this.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:46:35.35)
And if I remember right, I think the dolphin is like or the raptor is a dolphin that's outside the water.

Eli (01:46:44.228)
I don't know. I don't remember. I don't remember the details of it. I just know it was a dolphin noise. Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if it's a combination of different dolphin voices, you know, which it well, the cool thing about it is what the way he like, quote unquote, performs these sounds is like he has to go through all these sound samples that they have and like.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:46:45.464)
or some

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:46:49.484)
Okay. Yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:46:57.902)
That's fair, yeah.

Eli (01:47:13.706)
They're basically like he'll like find the ones he likes and then they're Registered to certain keys on his keyboard and so like to combine the sounds you just like play the keys on the keyboard like you would a chord And it you know combines the sounds Like you can see him do it in one of the making of it's really cool really really cool I guess like the last major thing for the

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:47:27.701)
at sea.

Eli (01:47:42.774)
like special effects and stuff is that last action set piece with the T when the T -Rex returns. So originally the T -Rex was not like in the script at the end it was the raptors were set to or like written to die by the falling fossils. So like one of them was going to end up in the mouth of like the T -Rex fossils and then like when it hit the ground it was just going to like crunch them.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:47:49.848)
Yes.

Eli (01:48:12.164)
And I think the other one was something similar. You know, they were basically going to get killed by the falling dinosaur fossils. Kind of ironic, I guess.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:48:20.588)
Yeah. Is that what they do in the book?

Eli (01:48:26.238)
It's hard to remember, you know, the Raptors don't all die in the book. There's like, there's like a whole like section where you realize that the Raptors are like sneaking onto ships. At the end of the book, they have like this hidden nest that like exits out of a tunnel to the beach and they're the Raptors are like swimming out and getting onto these boats. Basically.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:48:30.392)
Yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:48:40.782)
That's right.

Eli (01:48:55.81)
which is what yeah that's a whole other thing

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:48:59.458)
Yeah, hold on. Yeah, sorry. I am so glad that they did what they ended up doing because like, it's just that it's that like, the T -Rex spat and everything like that. then I was like, save the day.

Eli (01:49:11.386)
Yeah. Yeah. And that's, that's, that's what the choice eventually got made. Spielberg was just like, okay, we've got to figure out a way to get the T -Rex back in here. and it, you know, it's one of those things where like, it totally doesn't make sense. Like how does the T -Rex get in there? you know, how do you not hear the T -Rex coming until he's like snapping the Raptor? It doesn't make sense at all, but it sure is fun.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:49:39.786)
I don't care it doesn't it's all good and I think so I guess part of the way that I kind of justified it was.

Eli (01:49:41.13)
Right.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:49:50.22)
that they weren't doing that because that would take away from where we were at now. And like, if the cameraman is partly in the position of the audience, the audience is focused on the Raptors and hearing other sounds and stuff like that, it would take away from the urgency that we're in, like, the dire need.

Eli (01:49:58.928)
Yeah.

Eli (01:50:07.974)
Sure.

Eli (01:50:13.252)
Yeah. Yeah, I absolutely get that. But at the same time, like it's a T -Rex. Like he's that dude is making some noise for sure. Like he's not sneaky. He's not a sneaky guy, you know, or she, she rather see now I'm doing it. Now I'm calling it. But, but yeah. Yeah. Well, at this point they were really like getting used to shooting for CGI. Like they had the way they

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:50:28.174)
Say, say you're now you're guilty.

Eli (01:50:43.17)
shot for this one, obviously they're doing a lot of shooting without the dinosaurs there. Like there's this big tussle with the dinosaurs and the raptors and you have the bones flying. So obviously like when they're filming they have you know stuff set up to like fly around and they have the bones like flying into the stairs and stuff. But there's no dinosaurs there when they're actually shooting. They just have to get the stuff to break.

And then they added in. one of the things they did, one of the things they did like to make sure they were shooting correctly, like in the right dimensions and with the lighting being just right, was he had like, one of the guys was like running around with a, on a pole, just like a cutout of the head of the T -Rex so that they can make sure like, yeah, the T -Rex will fit in this frame and all that.

So Spielberg had said in one of the making of, he said, after a while, we shot those things as if we'd been into CGI for 10 years. was basically just like, at that point, in those last, like, because that was the last thing they shot, they were just like, they had a really good feel of what they were doing already. So, yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:52:06.04)
They had done like a trial by fire almost. And I think the other thing that I thought was really cool at the end of that scene was when the banner falls. I know it's like super campy, but it's just such a great like scene at the end. It's like it throws back to the other thing. And then it's like, when dinosaurs ruled the earth and he's been dinosaur and T -Rex is roaring. Just all of it is just like, but it didn't seem what's the term. It was very much like

Eli (01:52:08.441)
yeah. Yep.

Eli (01:52:16.526)
Yeah. yeah, it is. But it's fun.

Eli (01:52:28.432)
Yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:52:36.056)
fan service, but it didn't seem like fan service. wasn't like patronizing or anything like that. was like, this is it was it was just that right amount of level of like nostalgia or whatever the case is where it's like, this is great. I am happy about this. I'm going to rule of cool it to be. And so it. I think that's something that Spielberg does a really good job of. And that's one of the reasons why I like.

Eli (01:53:01.375)
yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:53:04.674)
The Last Crusade is because it's got that it's got the campy stuff, but it's not campy when he does it in the same way. It's it is campy, but it's it's not. Yeah.

Eli (01:53:12.824)
Yeah, it fits the tone. Like, because this movie, if it was like way darker, like that sort of stuff would be out of place. But because he's because he's found this like kind of tightrope line to walk with the tone between like fear and fun, which is like Spielberg's thing. that's like he loves riding the line between fear and fun.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:53:23.058)
for sure.

Eli (01:53:41.616)
Like he wants to scare the kids, but he doesn't want to scare them away. You know, it's that sort of thing. Yeah, I've totally feel you on that. As far as like the cinematography and the camera work, I feel like some of these things are really important that the work they were doing here. So one of the things was that Spielberg insisted on having typical camera movements.

You know, this is obviously like CGI, like I said, is in its infancy. And so when you have normal camera movements, like it makes it way more difficult for the CGI because they're, they're having to process these camera movements and how is this thing we're adding, making sure we're making sure like it is the right, you know, that it looks right, that it doesn't look like out of place. and,

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:54:26.509)
Mm

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:54:37.742)
Because if you have the camera that's panning this way, perfectly fine for animatronics, whatever. But then for the CGI, you've got to almost like re -render a new thing for each. Yeah.

Eli (01:54:40.388)
Yeah, how do you make sure?

Yeah.

Eli (01:54:47.61)
Yeah, you've got to make sure it moves in the right way within the camera movement. And I feel like that's so important because when you watch a Spielberg movie, or really just like, it doesn't even have to be Spielberg. You're watching a movie, you're expecting the camera to do certain things. And then if every time there's a CGI dinosaur on screen, it's just like a still camera.

Starts to like stand out and you're like, okay now it's starting to feel fake and it can start to take you out of the movie And that was one reason Spielberg was like insisting like hey, let's figure out You know, he was consulting with his special effects guys and Dennis Murin was like, yeah, I think we can do it like that's I guess that's like Murin's mo Yeah, I think we can do it But yeah, so I think the like the one of the

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:55:17.336)
Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

Eli (01:55:45.126)
Key scenes as an example of that is for the Gallimimus Stampede, Spielberg was like, I really want to do like a handheld camera like running here, know, with, you know, with the Neil and the kid Sam Neil as Grant and the kids running and the Gallimimus is running around them. And, you know, the kind of handheld like running away kind of thing.

And that made it like super difficult for the CGI team. It gave them extra work. But man, does it like look right once it's finally done. And they even figure out a way to like figure out like the camera movements and like input that into their computer graphics system so that like they could get the calculations just right for how things are moving within the frame.

And they even like set up there's this one thing in the making of where they have like Rods attached like these digital rods attached to the character's faces So because when they film it they're like running and they'll like look like look up at something But there's not really anything there. And so what they did is like they They made sure like they could see okay, they're looking up right here So we need to make sure a gallon my omnis is like passing right there that they're looking up at in that moment

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:57:03.15)
Yeah.

Eli (01:57:08.902)
So that sort of thing. So there's like all these like details. It's like you would never think of that unless you're an animator for these movies. Yeah, so I thought that was really cool. You know, I think basically like breaking your directorial style is going to draw attention to the artificiality of what you're watching. But if you don't break your directing style and you you do normal camera movements, then it doesn't like draw your attention to

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:57:10.582)
That's so

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:57:14.882)
Yeah, not at all.

Eli (01:57:39.162)
the thing that's like not really there. you know, so I thought that was really cool.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:57:45.25)
And like with the when the Brachiosaurus, when it does, it's where it goes up to get the plants and then lands and you hear the boom. But then the camera shakes, too, which really adds like almost a realism to it, even though you wouldn't normally have a camera shake and stuff that that's bad, you know, form and everything, but doing it at that intentional time. And then.

Eli (01:57:52.128)
Mm Yeah.

Eli (01:57:57.156)
Mm -hmm. Yeah.

Eli (01:58:08.933)
Right.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:58:10.69)
I don't think it shakes for the T -Rexes. think we just see other things shake. But that first time with the Brachiosaur, every the camera itself shakes, which is kind of a cool way to to look at it and for him to do that, to add, like, especially when you have William score behind it and the whole thing, it just adds to it. And then you don't. Yeah, that's that's an interesting thing. That probably didn't make it difficult for CGI, but it was a diff. It was.

Eli (01:58:15.215)
Right.

Eli (01:58:24.041)
Yeah, yeah for sure.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:58:41.87)
just another director's choice that made sense.

Eli (01:58:42.542)
It's just knowing, yeah, it's just knowing like what you want this to look like, like having the vision. This is what I know I want to see in the final result. So here's what we need to do with the camera to make that happen. Spielberg's just like, he's a pro at this point. So the other thing that I think is really great about the cinematography is

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:59:03.278)
It's true.

Eli (01:59:10.18)
the framing for the human perspective. So, you know, the two big examples of that that I could think of was the reveal of the Brachiosaurus. You're like looking way up at it. It's this low camera angle looking way up. And that's really important because it's it's putting you in the head space of the actual characters. If you were to like reveal the Brachiosaurus in a wide shot where you can see the whole thing in shot like it's

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (01:59:22.818)
Yeah.

Eli (01:59:39.546)
Just a normal big wide shot of the landscape with the Brachiosaurus there. Like you eventually get, you you eventually do get that wide shot of all the ones in the distance. It just wouldn't have been as awe -inspiring, but that's not what you get. get, and on top of that, you you get, you see their faces before you see the dinosaur, which I think is really, really important for keeping you grounded in like the humanity of it all, like in the emotion of it all. So.

You know that and then the other one that's like a similar thing is For the triceratops you kind of get the camera moving through the grass like from the kids perspective And then you know breaking through the grass before you finally see the triceratops there I thought that was really cool, too. It's basically like these ways to frame the the camera for the human perspective Yeah

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:00:35.522)
hadn't thought of that. But that totally makes sense. Because you kind of, yeah, both those are really good ideas. And how we get to kind of

Eli (02:00:40.335)
Yeah.

Eli (02:00:43.886)
Yeah, it really, the reason it's so important is because like, if you just like, all of a sudden you make the cut in the edit and you see the whole dinosaur and it's, you know, it's very different from like looking up at this thing or like breaking through the grass and all of sudden there it is. It gives you this very like emotional human perspective instead of just this dry analytical like camera.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:01:01.261)
Yeah.

Eli (02:01:13.222)
observing everything's perspective, know, which is so, important, I think, for this movie and the tone and feel that Spielberg was going for.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:01:24.3)
And then I think in the same so you have the the Brachiosaurus and they're doing their thing. I don't know if we're going to get into it, but just from the human perspective thing in the the fact that the animals are sick. You've got the one triceratops, which is sick. And up to that point, we everything had been great and we had seen everything and or if we had seen it type thing. And that added a human element to because all we care about this guy. And then you got the giant pile of poop.

Eli (02:01:40.229)
Yeah, yeah.

Eli (02:01:50.915)
Mm -hmm.

Eli (02:01:54.341)
Yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:01:54.482)
And then with the other Brachiosaur, how, you know, Lexi starts to like trust it and then it sneezes on her, adding that additional human element. they. And even but even down to the and this one getting in too much right now, but even down with the the grinning of the raptor when it like, ha, ha, ha, I got it type thing. So they added they tried to human anthropomorphize some of the animals, but then

Eli (02:02:01.772)
Mm -hmm. Yeah, yeah.

Eli (02:02:16.058)
Yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:02:24.258)
just those initial interactions made. And then I think when, grants like, you know, this is a warm blooded, there's no way this could be like, then that also throws us in there. Cause with the, it also adds more believability. And then even when, when saddler is like looking at the plants, shouldn't even exist. don't know. Like we, I think we can all place ourselves in those positions. And then it takes someone to turn our head or to

Eli (02:02:26.639)
Mm

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:02:54.006)
snap us out of it. And then we're like, so I think that all. Yeah, I think it's.

Eli (02:02:55.183)
Yeah.

Eli (02:02:59.694)
Yeah, yeah, it all adds to like the human and emotional side of things, which is great. Yeah, and then, you know, we kind of talked about Cundi doing a great job with like the lighting and all of that stuff. He talked about the kitchen was like a nightmare for lighting. He had to hang all these like black drapes and stuff because you have all these reflective surfaces and.

and it's like a nightmare and the the whole the whole like lex and the in the little cabinet or whatever it was thing was spillberg just like he just like discovered that and when he was doing his storyboards for the scene he was like i can have this here and then like it'll be a reflection it's like a little trick which i thought was great

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:03:26.03)
Eli (02:03:53.594)
And then the only other big thing was that the dinosaurs in the dark and in the rain so having Having a lot of like the CGI for like the bit like especially for like the t -rex to happen like in the dark and in the rain really helps the CGI team because Again, like it's in its infancy. Like if you're constantly having dinosaurs like in full sunlight it's like

it's like really gonna start drawing to like the artificiality of it. So the rain and the darkness kind of helps mask, I guess some of the flaws in CGI at the time.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:04:26.242)
Yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:04:34.894)
And I think the fact that when you rewatch it and you know, so like I have an OLED and I've got like the 4K and all that kind of stuff. And OLEDs are very unforgiving with CGI. Like you can tell the Brachiosaur is CGI where you can't tell. I don't really know that I ever could tell that the T -Rex was CGI, except for maybe at the very end. But even

Eli (02:04:44.73)
Mm

Yeah, yeah.

Eli (02:04:52.655)
You can, yeah.

Eli (02:04:59.034)
The T -Rex. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:05:03.692)
But that's also during the light. So I think that that makes that was really clever of them to do that, because it does give a pass. And I wonder if that's one of the reasons why there's a lot of issues nowadays still.

Eli (02:05:17.19)
Clever girl.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:05:18.766)
Yeah. And then I think the you know, that's one of the downsides of something with really high like just in terms of viewing something with a really high refresh rate. can make things look like sets. So there's that kind of graininess that film has that is was a shot on film. OK, yeah, there's there's a graininess that film has that that is very forgiving to things like that and that make the movie actually look more real.

Eli (02:05:29.379)
Mm -hmm.

Eli (02:05:43.866)
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:05:48.27)
Then some of the super digital ones were like, if you've got like your 960 refresh rate where you can like, they're on a TV set. can see versus you even set that down and like bring it lower. You're like, okay, now they're on the pirate ship or whatever. So I think that's it. That was a very, it created some issues, but I'll just think it helped in some issues.

Eli (02:06:01.316)
Yeah, yeah for sure.

Eli (02:06:08.678)
Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yep. Well, yeah, so they completed shooting 12 days ahead of schedule. that was great. The score, this was like the only time. So Steven Spielberg, as of January 1993, he had traveled over to Poland because he was starting to shoot Schindler's List, which...

which part of his thing with the studio was he really actually wanted to do Schindler's List right after Hook. And the studio really wanted him to do Jurassic Park first and then Schindler's List. And so he immediately like jumped into Schindler's List right out of Jurassic Park. So he's over in Poland. So he wasn't able to, this was like one of the only times he wasn't able to attend the scoring session because he was in Poland, which is...

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:07:06.67)
And I think that and I'm and I think this speaks well. Sorry, you say you've knowing that he was doing that like right afterwards. He didn't he was a courtier, a wrestler, like you mentioned, but he didn't shirk his responsibilities with Jurassic Park just to spit out something to do, you know, which is something some. Game of Thrones people should pay attention to. But I think that's that's and also

Eli (02:07:15.684)
Mm -hmm.

Eli (02:07:24.046)
Right.

Eli (02:07:30.917)
Ha ha ha ha.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:07:36.438)
I don't know. I think it was important to do Hook and then Jurassic Park and then Schinzler's List because you're like, it's kind of, you know, fun, you know, doing something deep and then you have something that's a little more serious because Schinzler's List is extremely serious. And so I think that was it was I think this was a good kind of like, I'm transitioning into something more intense.

Eli (02:07:52.136)
yeah.

Eli (02:08:01.966)
Yeah, yeah for sure. Yeah, yeah, so he wasn't able to score and do the scoring session. He's in poland. john williams though like man, he nailed it with this score. he He gave in the making of he talks about how he really what he was going for was to invoke the a sense of wonder and religiosity he was going for like a kind of a cathedral kind of feel

with the score, especially for the revealing of the dinosaurs and any time they were supposed to be all in wonder. He's going for a really big cathedral religious kind of feel. I really felt like it was supposed to be a religious experience seeing these things. It really comes across, I feel like.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:08:39.106)
Yeah. He did so good.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:08:57.514)
I agree. And even if you if you go and listen to the Jurassic Park soundtrack, it doesn't start off with that. You've got that like one horn burn and it just kind of like slowly builds and gets softer and then gets. And I think that at first when I would listen to it, I'd be like, let me just get to the good part. And then now I begin to appreciate it because it does build in the way that it does.

Eli (02:09:04.314)
Mm -hmm.

Right, yeah.

Eli (02:09:15.012)
Mm

Eli (02:09:26.042)
Yeah, well, builds the score a bit. So the camera's building to the reveal, and the score is kind of building along with it. Because like we were talking about, you see their faces seeing it first before you finally see it. And then the score bursts in with that iconic melody right at that point. So yeah, it all works in sync very well.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:09:51.042)
And then it hints to it when you first getting to the island and you've kind of have a little bit of that score. And then once the the jeeps pull up and it's like, almost like almost like Star Wars esque, you know, going through here, that's the the geology or our legality, but the the regalness. And so he just he did phenomenal. I think the.

Eli (02:09:57.25)
Mm

Eli (02:10:04.92)
Yeah, yeah.

Eli (02:10:11.684)
Mm -hmm. Yeah.

Eli (02:10:16.645)
Yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:10:18.754)
And then we slightly touched on it. I kind of mentioned it where he does like when the each time you have stomps going and it's that like one, one, one, one, one, one. And like that just continues to add. then I think when, when.

Eli (02:10:25.961)
huh.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:10:36.248)
But he also uses restraint in letting there just either be like a real like kind of silent. It wasn't like a Jaws type thing when the raptors were coming up or the dinosaur was endangering them.

Eli (02:10:40.056)
Mm -hmm.

Eli (02:10:47.524)
Yeah, well the T -Rex attack doesn't have any score to it, which is I think important too. The absence of score is just as important as the score itself, for stuff like that.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:11:02.296)
for sure.

Because I think he could have done it and I think it would have been maybe fine. But I think it was better that he didn't because that drew us into it more. I think this is really before that became kind of like the popular thing to do. So once again, Jurassic Park, pushing all the boundaries, creating new things.

Eli (02:11:14.074)
Yeah.

Eli (02:11:20.601)
Yeah, sure.

Eli (02:11:27.595)
Absolutely. Yeah Yeah, so, you know the scores being made they're they're starting editing. There's like a few weeks of Spielberg works with Michael Kahn before he Goes out to Poland on editing for a few weeks Putting together the final cut because they really like needed to turn around this editing process to send The final cut to ILM so they could start working on the the CGI stuff and adding that in

So Michael Kahn talks about like, well, I had to make all these cuts without the dinosaurs there. And you kind of have to just hope that you made the right cut. But yeah, once they sent it to Ireland, they had like three rooms full of computer servers to store and process that data. And we wouldn't need that now, but they did then.

Yeah, it's a long process. Like for example, it took like four months to animate the T -Rex chase. Mirren talks about like two steps and they first created the creature performance with like a wireframe, animated wireframe, and then they would do a full mock in the scene. So they, you know, it takes a long, it took a long time to get all this done.

And they even like, so like when the T -Rex is like stepping on the Jeep and the Jeep is like sliding around, the Jeep in that part is actually CGI too. So it's not the actual crushed Jeep there. There's like, yeah, they computer animated the Jeep for that part. So yeah, it's a lot of work.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:12:57.219)
Mm

Eli (02:13:18.73)
but Spielberg's in Poland too, at this point. So he's having to like communicate from way over there, with ILM during this whole process too. So he's, he's shooting Schindler's List, which is not, I'm sure like a very heavy time of shooting. but like four times a week, he's doing like a teleconference with ILM while they're working on the CGI stuff.

and he's traveling to Paris on the weekends to meet with rights men to review reels in a studio. So like, and he talks about how in hindsight, he like never would have like bifurcated his attention like that is just terrible.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:14:05.816)
But even then he, that's it. I hadn't read that part, but it's interesting that he thinks that he kind of shirked his responsibility a little bit.

Eli (02:14:15.75)
I don't know if it's like, I mean, he was like a workaholic. Like he's just like pumping stuff out all the time, producing and directing. But I wrote down this quote to kind of like clarify what I think what he meant. And so he said, quote, the whole year became kind of like a fever dream in a strange sense. I think I used every ounce of intuition making Schindler's List. And I think I used every ounce of craft to make Jurassic Park.

And think somewhere inside my brain there was a small nuclear explosion. Those final months are very blurry to me. I don't have a lot of real lucid memory to share of what happened in those final months of post on Jurassic Park." Unquote. So he's, you know, he's, you know, he's talking to the people making the making of doc, like the interviewers trying to like ask him about those final months. And he's, he's saying like, I really don't remember. I just, my brain was just like shot. I was like,

Which is, I don't know, it's just incredible. At one point, Kathleen Kennedy talks about how incredible of an organizer of stuff he was to be able to do all that at the same time. Really incredible. I mean, if you think about, Jurassic Park comes out in the summer and Schindler's List comes out in the winter of the same year, 1993. Has there ever been...

like a bigger year for a director than that and the history of film? don't think so. Like, Jurassic Park and Schindler's List in the same year.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:15:52.334)
That's... that is... fri crazy.

Eli (02:15:55.266)
Yeah. Yeah, let's run through the rest of this. Yeah, go ahead.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:16:01.55)
I'm just to real quick on the thing. I had to look it up because I was really excited. In 1993 is when the Pentium processor came out and it had a whopping 60 megahertz of processing power. So now we're in the gigahertz, we're in the thousands of hertz. And like the one I have now has like, I think it's got eight cores, but it thinks it has 12 cores and they're all running at like five gigahertz.

Eli (02:16:13.659)
Mm -hmm.

Ha ha ha.

Eli (02:16:21.659)
Yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:16:31.756)
So the fact that they were able to do all that kind of crazy stuff, woof, that was a lot. Yeah. That's just crazy. But yeah, I saw that and it's just like,

Eli (02:16:37.51)
I mean they got three rooms of them, of the server, so. Yeah. Yeah, the.

That's wild. It's come a long way. Yeah, so Jurassic Park releases in the US on June 11th, 1993. I was a mere, I wasn't even two yet. I turned two in July when this came out. So I was a wee, almost two year old when this movie came out. But it released in 2 ,404 theaters. So big, huge opening.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:17:02.839)
I was eight.

Eli (02:17:17.446)
for this movie. One of the cool things about this is when they were working on, when Spielberg was working on this, he had met with Terry Beard who had founded Dolby Theater Systems DTS that you might recognize. He founded that in 1990. He had worked in the business for like 20 years before that and he did a demo of their six channel digital sound process for Spielberg who like absolutely loved it.

and he was so convinced of it that he convinced Universal to invest $4 million to equip a thousand theaters with DTS. So a thousand of those theaters had this brand new digital sound system in them, which I think was really cool.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:18:05.654)
It's interesting the the movie theater that the production company, Universal, was doing that. And it's like other production companies are going to get the benefit of it. But that's that's pretty crazy, too.

Eli (02:18:11.333)
Yeah.

Eli (02:18:16.582)
yeah, yeah.

Eli (02:18:22.15)
yeah. Yeah, it so it opens up. It, you know, it's so I think the budget was like 63 million is what I saw my research. It opened up to a $50 million opening weekend, which is huge during this for this time. Within nine days, it exceeded 100 million. I mean, these days, like you can get a big $100 million opening weekend. But like with inflation, 50 million opening is like way

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:18:37.614)
Wow. Yeah.

Eli (02:18:51.942)
more than that. So yeah, it opened up worldwide. It broke box office records in Asia and Europe and Australia. And eventually climbs up to $914 million worldwide box office. Highest of all time. It actually held that highest grossing movie of all time until 1997 when Titanic broke that record.

so do you know what, what was, what held the record before Jurassic park?

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:19:34.807)
Star Wars?

Eli (02:19:36.588)
No, something else broke Star Wars' record.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:19:42.177)
Was it Terminate? No. Was it India? No.

I'm not sure.

Eli (02:19:49.67)
ET. He broke his own record. I'm double checking that as I speak because I'm pretty sure my memory. it became, Yeah, so it was 1977 with Star Wars and then in 83, ET broke it. And then he broke his own record with Jurassic Park in 93. So it was, yeah, 10 years he held it.

and then he held it for another four years until James Cameron broke it with Titanic.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:20:25.55)
And then he took it again with Avatar.

Eli (02:20:32.468)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:20:32.59)
To put it in perspective, $50 million in 1983 is worth almost $109 million today.

Eli (02:20:40.804)
Yeah, so I mean, yeah, yeah, big, big stuff going on.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:20:44.718)
So was a pretty epic, and especially the fact that it only cost 63 million to make, or I guess nowadays.

Eli (02:20:50.886)
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think with re -releases, it's now up to $1 .1 billion gross. So it's had like a, like it had a big 20th and 30th anniversary re -releases in theaters. So those kind of start adding to the worldwide gross. So Spielberg walks away with

250 million dollars from the gross profits and you yeah you could say he was underpaid maybe even so yeah he walked away feeling pretty good I'm sure as far as the reception of the movie goes the the critics were absolutely unanimous on one point which we probably can guess is that this the special effects were absolutely incredible and stunning and

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:21:21.698)
Well earned.

Eli (02:21:47.706)
this quote from Rolling Stone says, won't believe your eyes. And they go on to talk about how the special effects like was art in and of itself. And that the special effects guys are the real stars of the film, which we kind of talked about earlier. Empire Magazine called it a miracle. So yeah, everyone thought the special effects were incredible. Rightly so. There was a consensus on the characters that

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:22:12.376)
They were.

Eli (02:22:17.078)
Seems like critics weren't like huge fans of the characters. They felt like rough sketches broad stroke characters And variety someone this this critic even wrote. In fact, the monsters are far more convincing than the humans Which which to be fair that variety article was like otherwise very enthusiastic about the movie it's not like they were just bashing it

But yeah, it seems like a lot of critics felt like the characters were kind of broad stroke characters. I feel like there's a degree to which that's true, but I feel like it doesn't, you know, it's not going for these deep complex characters necessarily. Like it's not really that kind of movie. So that doesn't really bother me. I don't really hold that sort of thing against a movie like this, because I'm like, what are you really expecting? with these...

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:23:05.644)
Yeah, because you have the.

Eli (02:23:14.056)
I mean it's a dinosaur like thriller adventure movie. Like what do you kind of really expect? I don't know.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:23:22.378)
I think, you know, I think part of it, you know, the monsters or the dinosaurs are so crazy, like, well, so cool. And you're just like, kind of put the acting there into the side. But I think that's part of what they were supposed to do. It wasn't supposed to be, let's learn about how Grant was a kid and he he learned to like dinosaurs, you know, he's made fun of, you know, it was about, hey, there's dinosaurs here. But it also kind of follows the way the book did with it. So.

Eli (02:23:33.23)
Yeah, sure.

Eli (02:23:38.169)
Mm

Eli (02:23:52.206)
Yeah, Well, I mean, even. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, and even like the Roger Ebert, who is a critic that I really respect and enjoy. He was kind of harsh on the movie, surprisingly. He was a defender of Spielberg usually, but he he kind of talked about how the dinosaur embryo theft stuff was like worthy of a sitcom. He didn't really feel like that belonged in the movie.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:23:54.136)
Because the book doesn't get into the life stories of everyone all the time.

Eli (02:24:21.08)
And then he kind of talked about not feeling the same sense of wonder as he had with other Spielberg films, which I find, I guess that's kind of in the eye of the beholder kind of thing. Because I still felt it in this movie, like watching it now, I still feel it. So agree to disagree. I can't tell him, yes, you do feel wonder. It's like, well, maybe you just didn't. That's fine.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:24:48.822)
I felt more wonder with Jurassic Park than I did with ET. It's not anything bad about ET, but just for me, like, I think it's just the grandeur of everything. It's cooler than Little Alien Man. Huh?

Eli (02:24:54.875)
Mm.

Eli (02:25:01.7)
I felt more emotion with ET, I'll say that. I feel more emotions with ET, I'll say that. And maybe that's kind of what he's talking about. Maybe he relates his emotion to wonder more strictly, maybe, I don't know.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:25:11.187)
I think ET is more emotional of a movie, but like in terms of wonder.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:25:25.547)
Okay.

Eli (02:25:27.782)
But yeah, there's one of the more severe takes was in the Chicago Tribune. They said that the Crichton novel was already a recycling of the film Westworld, which was written in 73 and directed by Crichton that we talked about. In that movie, there's a theme park of wild rest robots that descends into chaos. And I guess they felt like it was just the same thing again with dinosaurs instead of wild rest robots.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:25:53.762)
Is that the one that's in their TV show nowadays? Based on West, it's called Westworld, and I think there are robots.

Eli (02:25:57.435)
I don't re it is I don't It might be Based on it. I don't know I've never seen either of them the series or the movie so I couldn't tell you I do know that Christopher Nolan's brother Jonathan is one of the main like writers for the series But that's how I really know about it And then you know some people kind of talked about how this the structure of the movie was like very similar to jaws

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:26:03.982)
Further, maybe.

Eli (02:26:26.796)
and like the raptor stalking stuff is very similar to Alien. It's basically like a lot of people felt like it lacked a lot of originality as far as the story goes. I mean, sure, it recycles the story, but that's the kind of movie it is. It's not like trying to be innovative in its story. It's trying to tell like kind of a classic, thrilling adventure story. So again, you know.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:26:53.282)
And there's only so many ways that you can have like something which is more powerful, stalking something that's weaker, like. And an alien did it very well, but. And so, of course, we're going to compare it to, but there's you've got to be able to have something stalking something else and it be kind of so in some ways, I kind of think of it like like the hero's journey. I you've got that same general archetype, but.

Eli (02:27:01.38)
Yeah. Yeah.

Eli (02:27:13.542)
Sure.

Eli (02:27:22.724)
Yeah. -hmm. Yeah. But, know, it is what it is. Obviously, like, people liked this movie, made a ton of money. Most of the critics, like, again, like, were praising the special effects. You know, it was an exciting movie. It did get three Oscar nominations and won all three for sound, for sound effects editing.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:27:22.892)
They do it differently and I think they do it. He does it fine.

Eli (02:27:52.032)
and for visual effects. So all very well deserved. The score, I was like, man, the score didn't get nominated, but it's because they nominated William's score for Schindler's List. So what are you gonna do? But yeah, so yeah, I mean, that's it. It's Jurassic Park. It's kind of ironic there's that insert shot of panning through the gift shop.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:27:55.767)
Absolutely free.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:28:05.61)
OK. Well, yeah.

Eli (02:28:22.112)
the movie and it's like yeah this this film turned into a merchandise merchandise like machine you know you have all of your stuff back there in the background i mean it's turned into a multi -billion dollar franchise once you add in the jurassic world movies so yeah just huge huge huge franchise huge deal but yeah

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:28:37.7)
for sure.

Eli (02:28:51.322)
Yeah, that's, let's move, I guess we can transition now into some of the key points. One of the, one of the, like critical reception things that I didn't mention that I figured would lead us into this was that the New York Times, article on the movie criticized Spielberg for watering down the tone of the novel. So I figured we could kind of start on talking about like, what, are the things we like from the novel that

more in the book or maybe like what are some things we like that he changed that works well for the movie. I don't know what are your thoughts on the film versus the novel.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:29:33.752)
So if we get so.

In the book and. When I first read it, it was shortly after the. The movie came out. You know, Hammond dies in the way that with the compies like what happened in the opening scene of The Lost World, and that to me was like really.

Eli (02:29:47.728)
Mm

Eli (02:29:59.704)
Mm -hmm.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:30:04.93)
That was a lot. In The Lost World, it's a little girl.

Eli (02:30:05.912)
Yeah, isn't it a little girl? Yeah, so that's how the book opens too. There's a little girl that gets bitten by compies towards the beginning of the novel, I think too. It's like one of the kind of setup scenes in the novel. Like maybe in the prologue or something.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:30:23.448)
Yeah. So we kind of know that not everything is right. Yeah.

But when Hammond did it, he was like, hey, buddy, you know, all that kind of stuff. And then they just turned on him and like, and they ate him and he did it. You put in your notes, the novel is much more brutal. It was very kind of brutal in the way that they did that. And that was. And I just remember that he that was very haunting to me.

Eli (02:30:36.026)
Yeah.

Eli (02:30:45.637)
Yeah.

Eli (02:30:55.15)
Yeah. Well, I mean, in the book, at the beginning when in the prologue, when it's like setting up all the stuff that's like happening, like, I mean, there's, there's, I think it's the copies are like stealing babies out of, out of homes in Costa Rica. And yeah, yeah. It's like, it's, it's very, very brutal. Like what's going on and stuff. And, they, know, it's the introduction to

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:31:09.688)
Yeah, like dingoes in a way.

Eli (02:31:24.922)
The worker, like you have the worker that's been bitten by a raptor, very, you you kind of figure out like, this dude's got a raptor attack. And the guy that brings them to the hospital on the mainland is like, no, it was a construction accident. the doctor lady's like, I can tell this, like she's thinking to herself like, no, this is definitely a laceration from a like animal.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:31:51.788)
Right.

Eli (02:31:53.37)
And so there's a lot of stuff like that and that kind of gets like brushed under the rug in the novel until finally like things descend into chaos. you know, there's a key line in the film that I think is like a key thing in the book that, you know, so the chaos theory thing is like a much more big thing in the book, like Malcolm's whole chaos theory, which the Malcolm character is pretty different.

I feel like from the novel to the film. He's a much more serious like dude in the book. He is, I think, in both the voice of reason, but in the film that it comes across better. the novel, he's kind of like, man, Malcolm, would you like lighten up a little bit? He's just like very pessimistic. But yeah, so.

the whole chaos theory thing and then there's the line in the film where he says like you never had control of it that's like that's the illusion is that you ever had control and so that's a big thing in the book and I feel like the book is a much more like brutal and scathing critique on like unfettered progress and unfettered capitalism and you know all that sort of thing and

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:33:00.781)
Yes.

Eli (02:33:21.796)
The movie, all of that is way, way, way watered down. So I think that New York Times article is right. Like he does water down the tone of the novel a ton. But I guess, you know, and this is where we can talk about like, is that a good thing or is it a bad thing or is it just different? And I think it's the latter at the end of the day. It's just different. It's it's a different interpretation on the story and the tone, I guess.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:33:45.635)
It is.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:33:52.558)
I would say that it's I think it's a good thing that he did that. Because the book is the books like 500 pages or something like that. It's it's a lot to go through and and you need that. you need that kind of nuance that the book can go through that you don't necessarily have in the movie. And if if Hammond was the same way he was there, if Malcolm was the same way he was in the movie, he wouldn't be as likable. And if.

Eli (02:34:10.584)
Mm -hmm. Yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:34:22.318)
If in the movie, the movie, it's separated from everything, whereas it's not as separated in from the real world in the book. I think that.

Eli (02:34:30.713)
Right, yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:34:35.02)
We really wouldn't be, you almost kind of root for the dinosaurs in reading the book with some of the things that happen because it's like these people are bad.

Eli (02:34:39.898)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, well like I think the big difference is It goes back to like when spillberg wanted to make this movie. He wanted to make it for a wide audience And the novel just isn't for kids. It's not a kid's book It's it's a very adult book with adult ideas like I mean the intro like the introduction to the book is like a an examination of like the basically like the evils of scientific progress when it's

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:35:00.065)
It's not.

Eli (02:35:15.902)
like when there's no like moral considerations like in play like it yeah it's and so like that's like the introduction to the book and when I was I listened to it on audio book so when I was listening I was like ooh I'm gonna like this book so when it when that was the introduction but anyways it's just this movie Jurassic Park has those ideas kind of

in the background like they're there if you wanted to find them but also like it can be just enjoyed as like this adventure thriller that a kid could just like have a good time with and like get scared by but like you know everything's okay at the end of the day you know as far as we know when they leave there's i mean all the dinosaurs are still there it's not like it just it's not like it went away you know but it is so there is

that's there is that sense of like it is very open -ended at the end but it it does have like that happy ending kind of feel with you know the way they look at each other and stuff but anyways

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:36:25.1)
Yeah, we get out and and I think the other thing is they were able to like even at the very opening scene when the things in there, he's shooter shooter and the guy gets like grabbed in there and he's like and the hand is like being, you know, going through the arms, stuff like that. We can see the struggle and the brutality of everything.

Eli (02:36:39.375)
Yeah.

Eli (02:36:45.485)
Yeah, yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:36:53.154)
without having to see it. like I remember in the book, yeah, with the raptor claw, like digging into the guy's chest. And so.

Eli (02:36:54.738)
Yeah. yeah, it describes it.

Eli (02:37:02.68)
Yeah, it's rough. It would be an R -rated movie for sure if it was, if you like had the scenes in the book directly translated to the movie.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:37:14.296)
And then I think even with with him and like you talked about the confies, like peeling the skin off of his body, if I remember right.

Eli (02:37:22.124)
Mm -hmm. Yeah, cuz I think it's I think it's maybe Malcolm wakes up and yeah, they're like Working on his skin. He like it's yeah, it's gross Yeah, so yeah, I think at the end of the day it's just like the moot the book is for adults it's it's dealing it's digging deeper into those themes of like the chaos theory and

the unfettered capitalism and unfettered scientific progress and digging into those a lot more. This has those ideas in the background. They're still there, but it is like, is like, you know, you just go back to Steven Spielberg talking about what he wanted to do. He wanted to bring dinosaurs alongside humans and have people see that. And like, that was like the main goal. And he accomplished that at the end of the day.

And you know that stuff is there in the background if you want to find it and think about it But but at the end of the day, this is a movie for everyone. It's like for kids and for adults and so It's just different Now I Was just gonna say now and would I be interested in watching the very adult very brutal version of this film that's closer to the book Yeah, I think I would because I really like enjoyed the book. I think the book is really good

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:38:35.372)
I think the only way that he -

Eli (02:38:51.97)
So but I really like this version of it so

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:38:58.614)
I how... I don't think they could... Well, I guess they could... That would be interesting to see if they were to... if they would try to do that.

I'd say the only other thing that Spielberg could have done if he would have left Jurassic Park to another director would have been to do like the Dinotopia series where you can have like humans and dinosaurs together. So I think. But.

Eli (02:39:32.954)
Yeah, I don't really know. Is that a book series or something? Okay, yeah, don't know anything about that.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:39:36.514)
It's a book series. Yeah, it takes place in a alternate dimension kind of ish. there's humans and there's dinosaurs and they talk and they like people ride on the triceratops instead of like oxen to plow fields. And then there's dinosaurs talking, they're, hey, buddy, how's you know that? So it's very, very different. But I think that this is more grounded in like a reality type thing. I it's interesting.

Eli (02:39:48.038)
Hmm.

Eli (02:40:03.79)
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, we could probably go on for a while about the novel and the differences and stuff. There's a good bit of differences. The basic structure is there from novel to film. yeah. Were you saying something about the game? Say that again, I'm sorry.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:40:14.85)
and the game... Yes.

And they the game ward and survive, which makes sense.

I was at the game ward and survives. Which makes sense, because it's kind of in the movie, I guess it's like, OK, he's been watching these Raptors. He should know how they work.

Eli (02:40:27.811)
yeah, yeah.

Eli (02:40:35.448)
Yeah, yeah, I guess it's kind of like a self -sacrifice thing in the movie like You know, I'm going to I'm going to charge in and know that they're gonna come after me so that you can get to the You know the main breakers or whatever Yeah, anyways one of the big things about this movie obviously is it's a technological revolution

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:40:40.375)
I'll...

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:40:50.966)
I never thought of it like that, but that totally makes sense now.

Eli (02:41:04.838)
in certain ways the the limits you know cgi was limited this probably actually i think probably enhanced the film you know and we can talk about that as we go but really like if you think about this it's one of the only movies of its time where people watching this in theaters when this came out could genuinely say like i've never seen anything like this

I can't believe what I'm seeing on screen. And that's a big deal, because there's a lot of movies made. so to be in 1993, nearly 100 years into the Hollywood industry, and for people to be saying, wow, I can't believe what I'm seeing, it kind of has that feel of people seeing motion pictures for the first time.

And the wonder of it people had never seen a dinosaur that looks real and like Looks like it's in our real world on screen before like we that doesn't that's hard to compute for people now that weren't you know around for that to experience that but yeah, I mean it was totally new it was it was a Tech. Yeah, it was like I said a technological revolution

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:42:33.686)
Eight -year -old me had his mind blown. Yeah.

Eli (02:42:33.774)
And it changes the industry. Yeah, really, really, really incredible. Yeah, some Spielberg distinctives. don't know if this is a part that I think I like to go through and talk about all the things that Spielberg does that I see in each movie recurring. But I don't know, did you notice any, you know, I don't know.

I'm watching Spielberg movies constantly right now, so I don't know if other people notice these things as much as I do. But I don't know, did you see anything that was like, this is definitely, this is totally Spielberg?

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:43:17.132)
I think...

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:43:22.944)
I kind of noticed one of the, you put it as a bullet point as well, but the use of humor to kind of stop like really intense scenes, but it wasn't humor that was like, know, know, derp derp. It was just like a comment that was made or something that was, you know,

Eli (02:43:31.951)
Mm

Eli (02:43:36.464)
Sure, yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:43:51.918)
And of course, I can't think of anything now. But even just like with when Malcolm is hurt and he's on there and the T -Rex and it's like object closer than in the mirror. Just, you there was must go faster, must go fast. Like all that kind of stuff. was like. It made sense, but it wasn't over the top and it didn't seem force and.

Eli (02:44:01.198)
Yeah, that's great.

Eli (02:44:11.566)
Yeah, gives you a good little chuckle, you know, to break the tension a little bit.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:44:14.764)
Yeah, and just enough to like break up the intensity almost like in or something completely different. How in Passion of the Christ, Mel Gibson, you had the moments while Jesus was being tortured to they go, hey, I made a table, you know, just something to give your break kind of like your brain kind of a break. Like I thought that kind of stuff was really he did a really good job. And that brings back to one of the reasons why I love.

Eli (02:44:30.874)
Yeah.

Eli (02:44:35.334)
Sure.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:44:43.31)
The Last Crusade so much is because that had that kind of thing and it wasn't too much. And I feel like almost he got better with it over time because there were some some campy stuff in Last Crusade that wasn't in this. Wasn't this one. And there's in the. We talked about the sense of wonder with the people, almost like. About how.

Eli (02:44:46.469)
Mm -hmm.

Eli (02:44:52.046)
Yeah, I would say so.

Eli (02:44:56.751)
Yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:45:13.176)
Grant was kind of like a Spielberg type character, that sense of wonder. I think that was really important. And the chemistry with everyone, the chemist. Sorry. So I guess the final distinctive this moment is the fact that the score matched what was on the thing. There was a perfect amount of not preordaining, but they would set up and then pay off like later in the movie.

Eli (02:45:32.245)
yes, absolutely.

Eli (02:45:41.422)
Yeah,

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:45:43.502)
And then just the way that

Like I said, the use of humor through stuff I think was a really well done.

Eli (02:45:54.47)
Yeah, no, yeah. I think he does get better. I think what it is is he figures out how to work with his writers to get the humor in there. the best example of Spielberg trying to do humor and it just being terrible because he's not a comedic director and storyteller is 1941, which I think is just an awful movie.

But this so like this reminds me like you said of the indie movies They're just like well placed and well timed like kind of throwaway jokes to break tension to lighten up the tone a little bit and it does feel like an indie movie a lot of times just because it is a bit of an adventure movie in a way and then like the tone the way he breaks up like the serious and the action with

like bits of like humor is yeah it helps a lot it feels like an indie movie

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:47:00.258)
Like in the one with the tree and the kid and they get out of the car and then the car falls back on him and like, well, back in the car again. Like that just it's so it's perfect for like how a kid would act with things.

Eli (02:47:05.39)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. huh. Yeah.

Yeah, one of my favorite jokes was when they're like, he's just talking about like, it's, you know, like a Disney park ride and Malcolm's like, yeah, but at the end of the ride, but there's not a chance that the pirates of the Caribbean, the pirates are going to jump out and eat the people. Like, that's a great joke. and then I, I also really like where he's, he's like, Malcolm is going through like the

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:47:29.804)
Right.

And then his,

Eli (02:47:39.78)
You know, God creates the dinosaur, God destroys the dinosaur, God creates man, man creates dinosaur. And then Ellie's like, dinosaur eats man, woman rules the earth. I'm like, that's great.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:47:53.366)
It is. And then the way that Goldblum or what's it Malcolm, he kind of reacted to that. I guess you're right. And I think that him. Malcolm kind of did it.

Eli (02:47:58.917)
Mm

Yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:48:11.178)
I love the laugh. I love the Malcolm laugh so much. But even down to things like to humanize them as well with the humor, like when Grant goes to buckle his seatbelt and can't do it, it wasn't. And he goes and he tries to do it it's not working. And then you have everyone trying to help him. And then he's like, it is not working. So he finally just ties it. And then but before he does that, Hammond's like, well, you know, we would have landed by the time you get it done. Like just.

Eli (02:48:22.744)
Yeah.

Eli (02:48:33.475)
huh.

Eli (02:48:38.374)
Yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:48:39.304)
All that kind of stuff, just plays in. So it's very real humor. And I think that was, and like I said, it made sense. How was it? But then also, I think the other thing that was very much of a distinctive, I don't think you have it in here, but just it was very well paced. We had enough time in the beginning to kind of get into the world.

Eli (02:48:44.205)
Mm -hmm. Yeah.

Eli (02:49:03.97)
Yeah, yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:49:08.706)
before everything went bad. And there's not like a moment there, like even when he's talking with the, when Hammond is talking with Ellie and talking about the flee circus, like even that doesn't seem boring or just like, it's just random guy talking about stuff. Like it's what we, our bodies and mind need after that scene.

Eli (02:49:10.436)
Mm -hmm.

Eli (02:49:21.668)
Yeah.

Eli (02:49:33.74)
Mm -hmm Yeah, yeah, and I think building on that point like it's even it's it's that but even more than that it's these moments of slowing down to have character development and And that's something Spielberg has always been like really good at is having these Slowdown moments in between the action where there's some character development going on So you have like that scene with with Ellie and Hammond?

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:49:47.8)
Yes.

Eli (02:50:03.922)
you know, he's kind of, it's kind of dawning on him. What's going on, what he's done. it's a big character development moment and it slows down, slows down the movie and the pace to like fit that in. The other one that, really hit me this time, like emotionally was, when Grant is in the tree with the kids. and you know, they're looking out and seeing all the brachiosaurus and.

you know, they're having a little moment the kids are like sleeping on him. and it, know, it's like this He's thought For his whole life like he hates kids and he doesn't Want them and it's like you see on his face this moment dawn on him of like They bring Kids can bring me like more a new dynamic of meaning to your life. and like that that actually like

That's probably the most emotionally resonant moment for me in the whole movie on this rewatch. But yeah, it's this moment of like in between this like intense fast -paced action, slowing down, having a character moment. And I feel like that's something that is missing in a lot of like movies like Summer Blockbusters today like this is these moments to slow down.

and have some real like strong character moments with the characters and developing them. I really...

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:51:39.948)
And not just like a joke, not just for them to prove how great they are at something. It's just a real to humanize. And because like even with the part with him and Ellie, like he's still convinced we get to see his conviction that he's what he's doing it for the right reasons amidst all of the marketing and propaganda and stuff like that. And then and that's where she's like she calls him out. But but I think it's appropriate the way that she's calling him out.

Eli (02:51:54.522)
Yeah.

Eli (02:52:04.218)
Yeah.

Eli (02:52:08.602)
Yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:52:08.812)
not just to belittle him, to be like, hey, you got to wake up. Like, there's something wrong here. And it's not just we're not just dealing with fleas, I think is what she says. These aren't fleas.

Eli (02:52:16.218)
And it's earned, yeah. Yeah, it's an earned moment between the two also. Yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:52:23.738)
and then sorry. And then how Malcolm kind of switches from comic relief laying there, you know, with a shirt, everything that to like when Hammond's trying to lead it the way. then Malcolm's like, look, just let me do this. Hey, do you see the pipes up there? Go to the pipes and then go over here. And like that was I think is I don't think there's a lot of wasted people in Spielberg movies.

Eli (02:52:37.859)
huh. Yeah.

Eli (02:52:46.808)
Yes. No, yeah. And I think this movie is especially so. Like, all of the characters have something to do. And they have enough moments where you understand that character's purpose in the movie and what they're supposed to be doing, what they're good at, why it's important for that character to be the one doing it. Yeah, all of that is there. And, you know, that comes from just like

really good writing really. So you know props to David Kep for the screenplay here. you know Spielberg worked in close tandem with him so a lot of that comes from Spielberg too. But yeah yeah absolutely. I totally agree with that. The only other Spielberg distinctives I have were like more like camera work stuff so he loves to have someone step into a close -up.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:53:18.094)
Mm

Eli (02:53:45.958)
from out of frame, like you have Hammond step in and a couple of different, I think he does it for like Welcome to Jurassic Park. He like steps into the camera, into close up. It's a big thing that Spielberg does. And then of course, like lots of like shadow working and reflections and stuff in this movie, which Spielberg does a lot of, so.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:53:55.372)
Yes.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:54:10.028)
Like when you have the raptor get in, you know, in the behind the raptor and the painting. And then even before that, when Lex is like holding the jello and the jello shaking in the thing, like that was that's such a good scene, too. It's very iconic.

Eli (02:54:18.99)
Yeah, yeah, I love that. That's great.

Eli (02:54:25.604)
Mm

Eli (02:54:29.788)
yeah. Yeah. yeah, I mean, we've talked a lot about a lot of this. I usually ask for intriguing images or sequences or things that stand out. we've really talked about all of these. I will say the one thing that we haven't talked about, cause we talked about the Brocky source reveal. We talked about Grant and the kids in the tree, the trick of the reflection with Lex. The one thing that I had noted that we haven't talked about is,

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:54:51.256)
Mm

Eli (02:54:59.172)
And this could be, you could say this is a Spielberg distinction too. He's very good at tension building. and, I love, absolutely love the way he juxtaposes Ellie working to do something that you want her to accomplish, which is get the, get the power grid back on and, them getting over the electric fence and you have Tim still on the fence as she's getting to.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:55:18.008)
Yeah.

Eli (02:55:29.098)
switches and then you know there's extra steps okay let's get this kit off I love that tension building and jumping back back and forth between because she's not doing something that you wish she wasn't doing like you want her to do that but you also want this kit off the fence and it's just great tension and then one thing I one thing about Spielberg too that I really really like is

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:55:51.224)
Yeah.

Eli (02:55:56.962)
If this movie was made by someone else today, because it's made in a way that like it's supposed to be friendly to kids, he would not have gotten shocked off of that thing and had to be like CPR'd back to life. He would have gotten off the fence safe last moment. He would have gotten off. But Spielberg is, he respects kids to be able to handle something that's frightening.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:56:10.978)
I think that's very true.

Eli (02:56:25.594)
Getting shocked off offense and having to be CPR back to life is very frightening but he like he trusts kids to be able to handle that and to experience that and I think that's something that He does very well is like kids kids can handle fear and it's actually like good for them to like Experience that in this way So I really really loved everything about that whole like juxtaposed sequence of

building.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:56:56.824)
Yeah. And in watching it this time, I think I felt a lot more of the tension as she's like going through and like push the button and just going down and then she's go. And then he's like, I'm going to go up and I don't go up again. And then he's like, and then right as the kids deciding to do things, then it hits it and he gets shocked off. And it's it's kind of done funnily, but it's not funny.

Eli (02:57:07.502)
Yeah, yes.

Eli (02:57:15.524)
Yeah, one, two. It's like,

Eli (02:57:24.942)
Right, yeah. Yeah, I get what you mean, yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:57:26.722)
Which is good.

Eli (02:57:32.504)
In the moment, it's not funny, but like if you like think back on it, it's kind of a comical situation in hindsight, I guess. Yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:57:42.178)
And then like the way that Grant then makes a comment about his hair and stuff like that, it's showing that he's, yeah.

Eli (02:57:53.178)
To break the tension. He's understanding how to interact with kids now. Yeah, for sure.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:57:58.314)
Exactly.

I think in your. You also you talked about some quibbles with the one guy doing the programming. Yeah. And then you get to with Nedry and like the hate the dudes talk about sparing no expense, sparing no expense. But then that's Nedry's big thing is like, hey, when he has the.

Eli (02:58:09.86)
Yeah, yeah, I had mentioned that earlier, yeah.

Eli (02:58:19.109)
Yeah.

And I almost wonder if Nedry's just super greedy though. Like, super greedy. I think that's more it than like, Hammond hasn't paid him well because, I mean, this dude obviously, I don't know. Arnold isn't complaining about not getting paid well, so like, I think maybe it's just a Nedry thing.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:58:26.188)
Is super wet? Yes.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:58:45.806)
That is fair.

Eli (02:58:46.818)
And now that I'm thinking about it, maybe he's not the only one doing the programming. isn't there like a team somewhere else that they call at some point? So maybe he's just the one on location, but there's like a team of programmers somewhere else.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:59:02.69)
They had talked about.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:59:07.672)
to that they were sending people away, you know, off the thing and that it was kind of like a skeleton crew type thing at this time. So I think he might have just been. But even so, to not have additional people that they could contact with the thing. So I think that is a fair gripe. But it is just interesting that.

Eli (02:59:16.261)
Yeah.

Eli (02:59:22.222)
Yeah. huh.

Yeah. the book, the way it works in the book is there is like a team, but this one guy, he talks about how like, when you're a programmer, you like program certain things into your code so that you can always like get back in and do what you want if you want to. Yeah. That's kind of how it happens in the book.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:59:45.836)
Yeah, get that back door.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (02:59:54.946)
I think, but it is just interesting how you have the everywhere is spared no expense, but then he's the only guy that they talk about not doing. I think the other thing.

Eli (02:59:55.035)
Yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:00:12.063)
Another intriguing sequence.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:00:20.524)
I think the way that...

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:00:26.796)
I think the whole thing with so we find out with him and Nellie that the freezers doesn't have any power, something like that. And things were melting and they could have it. So he's got all these ice cream. And then the kids go there and they're eating all the ice cream and just having fun with that. And that kind of distracts them. Then they go into the kitchen and all of that stuff you don't think about, you don't think about. And then when the little kid does, and it's like running into the freezer.

Eli (03:00:40.347)
Mm -hmm.

Eli (03:00:53.338)
Yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:00:53.624)
The Raptor only slips because everything had become frozen or all the frozen stuff had started melting. Then the Raptor slips and then they're able to lock him in there. And I thought that was a really good sequence. because it wasn't because there's no way that the kids are going to be able to like lock them into the door or anything like that. And then I thought that was really cool. But I think the.

Eli (03:01:00.558)
Mm -hmm.

Yeah, yeah.

Eli (03:01:14.915)
Yeah, yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:01:24.332)
Anyway, we can go to some of it. So yeah, I think there's a lot of like.

Eli (03:01:28.442)
Yeah, yeah, and Spielberg too, he talked about how he didn't want the kids to be attacked in the jungle. He wanted them to be attacked in a familiar, in a place where it felt more like familiar, like, like home. like inside of a building in a kitchen, it's a little bit more scary for a kid because you're being attacked somewhere that's supposed to be familiar and supposed to be safe, but it's, but it's not.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:01:43.81)
Mm

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:01:49.73)
Yeah, I think.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:01:56.994)
And that's where the, yeah, that's interesting.

Eli (03:01:58.916)
Yeah. Yeah, let's talk. Yeah, yeah, yeah, go for it.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:02:04.218)
sorry, one last thing. I'm sorry. The, the, left us. I thought that was so, I thought that was a really cool how like, he left us, he left us, but I'm not going to leave you. thought such a good, such a good line. yeah. And just how, and how you're dealing with it, they've been feeling abandoned and that's very kid -like thing to do. And then, and had to lie a little bit. I have to leave for a little bit, but I'm going to come back.

Eli (03:02:15.639)
Yeah

Eli (03:02:19.185)
yeah, know, yeah, Grant's line, yeah.

Eli (03:02:26.966)
Mm -hmm. Yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:02:33.686)
And I think that type of it's almost like a life lesson, so to speak, for, you know, hey, people are going to leave. But you're going to find there is someone who doesn't leave and there is, you know, and sometimes it's not always as black and white as you think it is. So anyway.

Eli (03:02:44.912)
Yeah.

Eli (03:02:48.742)
sure yeah yeah yeah I mean they're into like there's just just to kind of like round it out like I mean the t -rex attack is the t -rex reveal and attack is just like iconic incredible fantastic we haven't like talked a ton about it other than like the special effects stuff but yeah just everything about it is

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:03:05.869)
Mm.

Eli (03:03:14.922)
The slow reveal, doesn't, it's just not like, here's the dinosaur, you have the goat and then the goat's gone and then you see kind of like him through some leaves and then finally like there he is, he's coming through the gate, like everything is just so good. My only quibble with that whole scene is like, really this girl can't turn off a flashlight. She can't figure out how to turn off a flashlight.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:03:23.074)
Yes.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:03:34.648)
And you've got the leg.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:03:41.644)
Yeah.

Eli (03:03:44.368)
Like, that's a little bit ridiculous, you know, it is what it is. It's still, I mean, just a phenomenal scene. If you had to like pick one scene to keep from the whole movie, it would probably be that whole sequence, I would think.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:03:46.637)
And then.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:04:00.92)
Just with the kids being attacked and the flinging the light thing or the whole T -Rex attack. Then the T -Rex attack is important.

Eli (03:04:06.544)
Mm

The whole T -Rex, like the whole from them realizing the goat's gone all the way through like the chase, like that whole, like the T -Rex chasing the Jeep.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:04:26.83)
I know, I think that's pretty important.

Eli (03:04:29.85)
What do you mean, very important?

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:04:31.896)
I think just because, so without that, there's like no T -Rex in the movie.

Eli (03:04:36.164)
No, I'm saying if you had to pick one scene, like if there was one most important scene in the movie, like you throw away the rest of the movie and you can only pick one scene to keep, it would be that scene. That would be the scene to keep. No, which one would you keep out of all the scenes in the whole movie? I would say like that is the most like exciting, well crafted through and through like, and

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:04:45.486)
I thought you were saying, which one would you throw out? And I was like, no, that's a really important scene.

Yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:05:04.706)
Yeah, the whole thing.

Eli (03:05:06.03)
It's just another way of saying I think that's probably the best scene of the movie.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:05:09.71)
I agree. even with the because it's just it has a little bit of everything. The only thing that I think is kind of wonky with it is you go from, there's a goat and then the cars are seemingly in the same place. And then now it's like a 40 foot drop. Like where where is the that, you know, the drop in and where does how is he? You know what I mean? Does that make sense?

Eli (03:05:35.608)
Are you talking about the drop of the goat?

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:05:38.254)
I know you have the goat and then that's like on eye level with everyone. And then there's that like now they're on like the top of a wall that has like a 40 foot drop. And like, where is that? Because it seems like that's.

Eli (03:05:39.781)
Mm -hmm.

yeah, yeah, yeah.

Eli (03:05:48.952)
Yeah, I didn't really think about that until just now. Honestly, I don't know. I would have to watch the scene again to see if like the part of the wall they're on is different than where the goat was. That's the only thing I can think of.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:06:07.278)
because of the T -Rex because it's eating and throw it drops the lamb chop onto the the kids car and the kids cars the one that gets pushed off. But then it gets pushed off in the tree. But I think.

Eli (03:06:16.286)
yeah the Jeep yeah

Eli (03:06:22.66)
Yeah, I know what you mean. I just hadn't thought about it until you mentioned it just now.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:06:27.404)
The fact that we hadn't done that, think, speaks to him, to the way that we're just so caught up in it. But yeah, I agree. That is definitely by far the most iconic, the best scene. And even with Malcolm, where he, know, Grant throws the thing, the T -Rex is about to go there. And then Malcolm tries in his own way to be like, hey, hey, guys, I'm over.

Eli (03:06:37.883)
Yeah.

Eli (03:06:51.854)
Yeah, well, yeah, it's like he doesn't know what he's doing, but he's going to try to be... I do like that they... That was actually Goldbloom's idea. He was like, what if I distract the dinosaur and Spooler was like, yeah, sure, let's go for it. He did it. So, yeah, he wanted to make his character a little bit more heroic, I guess. Yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:07:14.754)
little did he know. And then he paid for it. it actually, he introduced chaos into it, which I thought was interesting.

Eli (03:07:21.964)
Mm -hmm. Yeah, absolutely Yeah Talking about characters. We've already actually hit on most of this stuff I did want to touch on Ellie I Feel like she's a really really great character. First of all, Laura Dern we already talked about how incredible she does with this part What and and you kind of touched on this earlier, but what I

love about this character and the way Lara Dern plays her is she is such a full she has like a full feminine vision like she's not just like I'm really enjoying like Malcolm's like flirty kind of way of explaining chaos theory because she does and she's not only like crying overseeing a Triceratops which she does and it

makes me almost want to cry about seeing the Triceratops, seeing her cry about it. And same thing with the Brachiosaurus. She has this like like tear like coming down when she's like seeing the Brachiosaurus for the first time. Which is and it's just like so like incredibly touching. So she's she's got that and then she just like basically goes like full badass woman like at the end like

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:08:46.115)
Yeah.

Eli (03:08:48.21)
You know doing what she needs to do, but she's also like screaming because the raptors are scary like But she's also like facing that fear. So she's just like I just love that. She's a full complex character She's not one thing like she's all the things it's kind of it reminds me of a reason I really enjoyed the Wonder Woman movie Because she she was like she's Wonder Woman, but she also like

you know, can fall in love and can feel like emotion and care for people, but also like rip you apart if she needs to. you know, she's a full like, I feel like for a long time in Hollywood, and it still happens some today is like when women characters get reduced to a singular trait. And so when you

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:09:43.363)
Yes.

Eli (03:09:45.574)
when you come across a character like this in a 1993 film and she's a full, complex character that isn't one singular trait. It's just like, I'd just love to see that.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:09:59.938)
Yeah. And because now it's either like a random sex object or the bestest ever, you know, better than everything.

Eli (03:10:09.466)
Yeah. Or it's like she's just action hero. She's just doing the same thing male action heroes do, and she doesn't feel any emotion. And that's like, you get that sum too. And it's like, well, that's not true either.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:10:31.65)
Right. There's we real people because like she and like I think part of it as you know, and she goes to after she escapes from turning the power on and she sees Grant just randomly standing there and she's like, run, run and like trying to convince herself to run for that last little bit of energy. Like that is such because it shows that like she's not the superhuman person.

Eli (03:11:01.338)
Mm

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:11:01.654)
She's got to convince herself. I think we've all been there. We're like, see our destination there and we are tired. We are out of it and we just have to convince ourselves to just get to that final point. And and I think that was such an important thing because then it rehumanized her after. It showed that she was still human, even though she was able to escape the Raptors going in there when other people weren't.

Eli (03:11:29.274)
Yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:11:31.352)
But that wasn't. But that was believable because it was like she did she burst of adrenaline going. The Raptors are kind of playing with her. The Raptors are also focused on molding, you know, like, you know, so it all kind of flows. But then there's just that little extra. Hey, she's also still a human. And then like you talked about being an earned moment in talking with Hammond, like you take that verse.

Eli (03:11:44.528)
Mm

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:12:00.13)
You take that versus General Holdo chewing out the pilot like that doesn't seem as much of an earned moment. And I forgot the prize name anyway from the last Jedi. But so like you've got there's two things where she's chewing someone out. But in the one, seems more earned because it is we've spent that time with her. We've gotten to do that. And so.

Eli (03:12:12.379)
Mm.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:12:26.092)
She's able to do things that typically like back in the 90s were more reserved for the man. The man was going to be the one that like told the guy off and stuff like that. And she did it. And it made sense because I totally believe that's what her character would do. So and I think that's great. And then we're for sure about Malcolm switching out.

Eli (03:12:39.028)
Yeah, for sure.

Eli (03:12:47.204)
Yeah, he becomes the useless sexy bimbo at the end. He does give the advice about following the pipes, so it's not like total, but I mean he's laying there useless with his shirt open, instead of it being the typical position where you might see a woman, unfortunately, right? They put a gold bloom in instead. Yeah, great. And there he is now on your shelf behind you.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:12:52.184)
Yep.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:13:00.706)
is so ridiculous.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:13:06.05)
Yeah. Right.

Eli (03:13:16.486)
Funko pop form Yeah Hammond John Hammond I did want to touch on like The change from you know, mentioned in the book. He's more he it does feel more like a con man Kind of in the book than he does he much more sympathetic here

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:13:21.646)
I want to get one, but yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:13:36.834)
Yeah, he does. Almost like a.

Eli (03:13:43.162)
But yeah, yeah, yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:13:43.962)
Barnum Bailey. He's more like a P .T. Barnum in the book.

Eli (03:13:49.338)
Mm -hmm. Yeah, and you know, it's you sympathize with them a lot more here and I don't my only question is like should Should we need to sympathize with him more? Like I don't know there's a degree to which I'm like You know Spielberg is great at like humanizing people and and all that kind of stuff but there's a sense in which like

There's there needs to be I guess it's like my one tiny little quibble with the movie And I think I touched on earlier talking about if the Nedry character was maybe different more nefarious Instead of goofy or maybe if John Hammond was more like he is in the book There needs to be someone that at the end of the movie is to blame and it feels like

It feels a bit like they're trying to get away with like, no one's really like at fault here. It just went wrong. When at the end of the day, like, yes, someone is to blame here and someone should be held responsible for this. And it just feels like at the end of the movie, you're supposed to feel sorry for Hammond instead of like saying, no, you need to be like, you know, tried and put in jail or something, you know, for.

for what you've done, you know? So that's like my only one thing with the movie that I'm like, I don't know, it doesn't sit right, like no one is to blame in the movie. Because in the book, that's not the case at all. And in the book, it's like, yeah, the people that are to blame get their just desserts at the end of day.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:15:34.488)
Right.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:15:42.958)
That's very fair.

Hmm. But I think...

Eli (03:15:46.256)
But but again, it doesn't that's a small thing. I mean at the end of the day like this is a I love this movie and so it's just one small tiny little thing because At the end of the day the movie's not trying to be that necessarily I just kind of like Wish it had it That makes sense

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:16:14.006)
I do think it makes sense. And I think that I also think that. We kind of do see we see him repent. I don't know why I was about to roll my R's. We see him kind of repent as he begins to see all this stuff.

Eli (03:16:29.221)
Yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:16:34.796)
I think it's harder to be hard on him when during the eating part where they're eating the thing and the lawyer is like, we can have coupon day. And he's like, no, I want everyone. don't want people to be held back by the money. want everyone to be able to experience. And like at that point, we're kind of like, OK, so he is doing altruistic. Then we find out it isn't. It's kind of ego altruism. And that's when Ellie calls him out. And then.

Eli (03:16:45.829)
Mm -hmm.

Eli (03:17:00.164)
Yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:17:03.296)
At the very end when grants like Mr. Hammond I cannot endorse this park and he's like neither can I and is like zipping along it's like.

Eli (03:17:09.06)
Yeah, that's one of the more corny lines, but.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:17:13.356)
That is yes. But it can mostly slide under the radar. But it also goes to humor like, hey, he knows what he did was wrong and he get out of it. And I think that's.

Eli (03:17:23.471)
Yeah.

Yeah, I guess my thing is like I agree with that, but I feel like I just feel like it doesn't the movie doesn't hold him responsible. Like just because you have realized the error of your ways and wish you hadn't done it doesn't mean you shouldn't be held responsible for, you know, the consequences of your actions. And so that's my, you know, like I said,

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:17:54.562)
I think that happens more in the second and third movie. The second movie.

Eli (03:17:58.115)
It's been a long time. I don't remember anything about this the second movie so I do I do know he's in it

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:18:02.798)
possible. He's he's like on his death bed. Yeah, he's like, I mean, on his death bed, but he's he's slowly dying. He's not doing well. His company has been taken over because he's lost everything. And that's why he like tries to get Dr. Malcolm to like, hey, dinosaurs, I want you to know one can go on that island and people are trying to do it. And so that was so we kind of see that he is more reform. He did lose everything.

Eli (03:18:16.4)
Yeah.

Eli (03:18:27.524)
Yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:18:32.526)
But then I think the second one is more about evil corporation versus things.

Eli (03:18:37.838)
Yeah, yeah, I'm really interested to revisit that one because I don't remember anything about the second or third movies so yeah Yeah, I have it have it scheduled I have it on the schedule with someone so But yeah, I guess like, you know, we've really talked about all the things I guess for final thoughts

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:18:46.242)
Well, when it comes time, I'll volunteer as tribute.

Okay. Okay. Well, good.

Eli (03:19:06.746)
I wanted to talk about how there's sort of a bit of a meta commentary on the film industry in this. You know, we talked about like the former ways of filmmaking becoming more more extinct in a way. That was a joke that Spielberg and his special effects guy made amongst themselves that made its way into the movie. And I think there's a reason for that. think it's because there is a bit of

Do Spielberg and the team ask, can we and not should we? And you know, this movie is a technological revolution. It breaks CGI into the film industry. And it's like, yeah, we can, but should we? What are going to be the results of this? And you know, the restraint and limits of CGI at this time

really helped this movie work. We've talked about all the reasons why. This movie had around 60 give or take CGI shots and that's it. Another thing I didn't point out earlier is there's only like 15 minutes of dinosaur footage in this movie, which you would never guess. But when you add up all the shots where a dinosaur is in frame, it's only like 15 minutes.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:20:08.398)
Yes, 100 percent.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:20:28.878)
Wow.

Eli (03:20:38.014)
You know, it's it's kind of that Jaws kind of thing, you know but anyways, but yeah, there's only 60 CGI shots in here and Jurassic Park by the time the Phantom Menace comes around there's like 2 ,000 CGI shots in the Phantom Menace and really like the the average for a blockbuster movie like this today is two to three thousand CGI shots and so

And I think movies are worse off because of that. It's just, I don't know, the success of this movie is just as much about what they didn't do as what they did do. But a lot of that comes from just the limitations they were dealing with at the time. It's the opposite of many films today. Many films today don't work because they just do everything.

They don't ask what are the things that we shouldn't do and should leave out. They just like, well, we can do everything. So let's just do everything. And.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:21:47.106)
Yeah, like I think there was this, it was a.

It was a Disney Plus show. had Nick Fury in it. And for example, Jackson Nick Fleury and like I remember seeing a still from it and like they didn't even have a prop gun. They had a CGI gun. So he was just holding like like a stick that then they they put the gun on top of it. It's like. It is way over the top of what's needed on there. And then you're you're you're putting the CGI guys.

Eli (03:21:59.802)
Yeah.

Eli (03:22:07.194)
Yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:22:21.816)
There's only so many of them. And you kind of look at them. You look at what happened like Pirates of the Caribbean with the Davy Jones and his squiggly things. And you compare that to like nowadays in like a modern Marvel movie, especially the the Doctor Strange with the eyeball on his forehead, where it just looks terrible. And it's because I think they're relying too much on that because there's so many shots being done and

Eli (03:22:34.226)
Mm

Eli (03:22:43.31)
Yeah.

Eli (03:22:49.112)
Right.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:22:51.574)
and remakes and all this other kind of stuff. like and I think like you said, I think it's. But I. But in the same way, I think what they did was perfectly appropriate and almost the ideal of what should be done.

Eli (03:23:07.566)
Yeah, yeah, and and that's why I say it's like it's it's almost ends up being like a meta commentary because it's like you know, it's It goes back to the line of he and mal I think it's malcolm that says of like the illusion is that you ever had control of this in the first place because and Yeah, maybe it was ellie that said that yeah Yeah, that and so, you know, that's the illusion and I think that's that's what ends up happening with

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:23:26.19)
I think that was Ellie. When we have control, you never had control. Yeah.

Eli (03:23:37.094)
CGI it's like well we have control over this you know we're we're gonna use it in the right way but then once it's out there like you can't control it anymore and it's gonna it changes the industry it and you know we'll probably see something very similar with AI like once someone starts using it and figuring out what they can do with it and once it's out there like it's going to change everything and a lot of times when that happens like

you lose something that makes that art special. And CGI is a great technique. It's not quite a one -to -one with creating dinosaurs. We're creating dinosaurs because it's not dangerous. It's just, it make, does it, it's a question of, it goes back to the can we and should we. You have to ask,

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:24:26.712)
Well...

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:24:33.186)
Yeah, that was a mouth.

Eli (03:24:35.046)
Yeah, you have to ask that of each and every movie. Like, can we do CGI? Yes. Should we? Well, should we in some scenes? Yeah, because like you can see in the 60 frame, you know, 60 shots that they used in this movie. was, it was great. It was incredible. it was enhanced by the times they didn't use it. but I feel like a lot of movies today are the opposite. It's just like,

Can we? Yes, let's do it. It's not can we, should we? And so that second question has been completely lost. And yeah, it's just unfortunate. I don't know. But anyways, that.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:25:13.677)
I

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:25:19.49)
And I think like one of the great things about when Disney bought Star Wars is they were supposed they're doing more practical effects. I think that strengthened it in some areas. I'll just say real quick hitting on AI. I think I think we're kind of in the spot where they were with CGI. Like there's some cool things that you can do it to help like storyboard easier.

Eli (03:25:28.848)
Mm -hmm.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:25:47.384)
Let me just get a picture of this. Like someone who's not artistic could create their storyboard and be able to do stuff like that. But then you've and then you've got some people who responsibly use it to like, hey, help me with this prompt. But then you've got people who might submit like an entire script or part of their script or whatever that's written by AI. It doesn't make sense because there's no human. That's not how humans talk. So I do.

Eli (03:25:47.43)
Sure.

Eli (03:25:53.828)
Yeah, yeah.

Eli (03:26:00.323)
Mm

Eli (03:26:07.194)
Yeah.

Eli (03:26:12.123)
Right.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:26:15.626)
One of the things I've been doing on the side is AI training where like I get someone puts in a prompt and then I evaluate the two responses. And there's a lot of times where I'll evaluate someone's like, tell me a story about a cat that whatever. And so I'll evaluate it. And sometimes like this is a really good thing. And other times it's like, that's you. You don't know what these words mean. And like you're just going over here. And so.

Eli (03:26:39.14)
Yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:26:41.73)
But then there's there a couple of times where it was like, I got to create the prompt and I was like, tell me about a world where there is and I plugged in my ideas, like dragons that live underwater and stuff like that. And it was like, yeah, the dragons live underwater. And they communicate through making sound waves like dolphins. I've never thought about dragons communicating like dolphins. And it's like, that's pretty cool.

I'm not going to use that because I want to go different way with it. like if I hadn't already thought of the way I wanted them to communicate, that could have been really a cool way to do stuff. And so it's about tempering things. So it's interesting. It's a good interesting balance. Yes.

Eli (03:27:20.186)
Sure, yeah.

Eli (03:27:26.115)
Yeah, yeah

It's about restraint and knowing, you know, you keeping control over the tool instead of letting the tool control like you. And that's the big thing with, and especially with art. Like when you're creating art, like the tool should never inform the art. It should always be the other way around the art.

the art uses the tool for its purposes, not like we have this tool so we might as well use it. Yeah, that was kind of something that I felt like was interesting to kind of end with as a final thought. As far as Jurassic Park goes, love it. It's a great movie. I think I have it. As of now, it's like my number four favorite Spielberg.

on as I've been working through. So it's yeah, I slotted it in right above Last Crusade. So it's a close I could go either way, honestly, there. Jurassic Park any given day might switch to five under Last Crusade. But yeah, I still like Jaws is my favorite and ET and I have another movie that I haven't gotten to yet in the series that I think is

better that may or may not be coming up next but yeah is it is this your favorite yeah

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:29:02.7)
I would say Jurassic Park. It is my favorite. It's almost...

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:29:12.022)
I can't say movie without a say as an individual movie standalone. Nothing else. I would say that this is arguably my favorite movie of all time. There is. A special place for Reku for a dream, but that's not a movie that I. let me. Yeah, I've I've I watched it twice, three times.

Eli (03:29:15.322)
Mm

Eli (03:29:24.464)
That's fair, totally fair.

Eli (03:29:35.581)
You don't want to watch that all the time.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:29:41.096)
And I've never watched it again. But it's such a powerful movie. Kind of left that. But this was one that I think I want to go and watch on a regular basis. Not as much as like Lord of the Rings trilogy. But this is definitely as a single stand up. But I think the Lord of the Rings needs all three of them, arguably. But yes. And I would say this is it's near perfection on in movie and the production, the writing, like the whole package. I think it is definitely up there.

Eli (03:29:49.062)
Yeah.

Eli (03:29:58.512)
Yeah.

Eli (03:30:07.323)
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, it's a great one. It's just a good time. And like I said, it's got those kind of underlying themes of hubris of man and whatnot going on. you could say that's, yeah, you could say that's a typical theme for a movie like this, but that's fine. Yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:30:24.268)
and it calls it out without being preachy.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:30:31.618)
Not everyone does it as well.

Eli (03:30:33.028)
Yeah, but yeah, love this movie. That's all really I think we have on Jurassic Park though We you know, it's probably not all we have on Jurassic Park, but it's all we have for this episode for today. So Well, we'll let it be for now But we have a related draft Coming movie draft coming up next week. Christian will be joining me for that

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:30:45.272)
Yes, we will stop ourselves.

Eli (03:31:02.374)
We're going to do a movies where science goes wrong draft. Science gone wrong movie draft. So obviously this falls into that category. It'll be kind of like, I guess the main honorable mention, the, the Jurassic Park Memorial draft, I guess is another name for this one. But yeah. And then the week after that we'll be digging into Spielberg's other 1993 movie and Schindler's list. So.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:31:07.445)
Yes.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:31:22.978)
I dig it.

Eli (03:31:31.812)
That's what's coming up the next couple of weeks. Christian, why don't you tell people the best places to follow you and what you're doing, especially with Dancing Fox. Yeah, where should they go?

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:31:43.778)
Yeah. So I am still working to create it, hopefully by the time it airs, dancing fox dot studio will be up and running so you guys can learn a little bit more about me and storytelling and some of the stories that I tell as well as I'm looking to have her view thing up and then hopefully podcasts that can get Eli on board. You can press your hand to do that kind of stuff.

Eli (03:32:09.211)
Yeah.

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:32:11.212)
You can follow me on Twitter, DancingFox on X or Twitter slash X. All the socials should be DancingFox .Studio, Facebook, Instagram. I am working on that kind of stuff. I finally got back from my graphic artist who got me a picture of my Dancing Fox. So I'm very excited to debut that. That's for the the review portion of Dancing Fox Studio, which is called the Fox Den. And so hopefully.

That'll be up sooner rather than later. It depends on my life. But thank you, Eli, for having me. I really appreciate it. Like I said, my favorite Spielberg movie. I got to do my top two. yes, so I really appreciate that. And as always, I love being on here because I get to learn stuff that I wouldn't have thought about.

Eli (03:32:44.836)
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

Eli (03:32:50.436)
Yes, and possibly favorite of all time. So yeah, great.

Eli (03:32:59.438)
Yeah, I learned it too. I learned it myself and then I share it. So yeah, I love doing that. But yeah, I'll make sure to link all those in the episode notes so people can just open that up in the episode description and click the links. But yeah, that is all we have for this week. So look forward to the draft next week. But until then, for Eli Price and Christian Funkhouser, you have been listening to

Christiaan (DancingFox.Studio) (03:33:04.29)
Yeah, so it's fun.

Eli (03:33:28.272)
the establishing shot. We'll see you next time.