The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou (w/ Jean-Pierre Boudreaux)

Eli Price (00:40.548)
Hello and welcome to the establishing shots a podcast where we center around deep dives into directors and their filmography fees. We are in the middle of a Wes Anderson series yes and yeah it's been really fun so far we are five episodes in this is the fifth episode. Started with the overview of Wes and then.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (00:55.618)
Boom.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:04.494)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:10.244)
did episodes on bottle rocket, uh, rush more. And last week was the Royal tendon bombs. And this week we are covering the life aquatic with Steve's issue, uh, or Z. Sue. I always, I've always said this, Sue, but I'm 99% sure in the movie they say Z. Sue. So that's right. Yes. And.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:21.93)
Oh yeah. Zisoo.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:30.11)
Zisoo, yes. Zisoo. Not to be confused with that recent Nazi killing film, Zisoo. You know, so.

Eli Price (01:37.148)
Oh, yes, not that. Yeah. Well, this is JP Jean Pierre Boudreau. But all his friends call him JP, I believe. So, yeah, JP, tell us a little bit about yourself, what you do, how you got into movies, all that.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:56.35)
Yeah, so my name is Jean-Pierre Boudreau. Most people call me JP. So I currently, I live in New Orleans, Louisiana, and I do freelance videography, filmmaking, trying to break into like doing more documentary kind of content. You know, I work on set sometimes, PA, camera department, you know, really just trying to stay busy and keep a roof over my head, you know what I mean?

So as far as how I got into movies, I'm one of those guys like growing up, like I've always really been like super imaginative. Like, if I read a book, like it's played like a movie in my head or someone like, is telling a story. Like I see it happening in my mind. You know, my parents always tell me that they remember like when I was like six, I found like a cow bone in a sandbox and I was like a.

big dinosaur kit at the time. And I went on this whole like five minute monologue about what dinosaur it was and like what it ate and its life and all this stuff, like completely off of just finding like an obviously just a cow bone, you know. So growing up, we always had a lot of movies like I can kind of remember when we got our first DVD player, because you got like a couple free movies with it when you bought it. One of them was we had the old

like early 2000s, Walking with Dinosaurs, BBC documentary with like the CGI dinosaurs. I used to watch that all the time when I was a kid. That was like my favorite thing. You know, so just grew up watching movies. You know, my parents are both Gen X. So a lot of 80s stuff in the house growing up. So, you know, my dad loved Star Wars. My mom loved Star Trek. You know, this is kind of some of my first, you know, favorite franchises. As far as like my

Eli Price (03:26.764)
Nice.

Yeah.

Eli Price (03:46.244)
Hehehe

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (03:52.094)
you know, personally wanting to get involved. Um, you know, there was a time in my life where I wanted to be a crime scene investigator, um, because I love the show CSI, cause I was watching it way earlier than I probably should have. But, uh, but I realized in real life, um, you don't get a cool music montage with the who in the background. So I wanted, I decided, well, I want to be an actor. Like that was kind of my thing. Like I've always liked performing and being in front of people.

Eli Price (04:06.562)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (04:20.246)
I've really had stage fright or anything like that. Uh, and then my freshman year of high school for a computer class, we, uh, had to make a movie cause we were supposed to learn how to use movie maker, which, you know, was like not good enough for me. So got in touch with like a friend of my dad who at the time I thought had a really nice camera and like he had like one of the final cut pro, you know, whatever the edition was at the time. Made this.

Eli Price (04:44.846)
Right.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (04:46.974)
short film where I acted in it and I also kind of sort of helped direct it and edit it even though my dad kind of low-key took over the project. But you know, did some of that too and just fell in love with the entire process and kind of been in some way shape or form making videos ever since. And you know as I've grown I've learned a lot more about

Eli Price (04:56.612)
Ha ha.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (05:14.638)
cinema both as a fan of cinema, but also as a person who is interested in making films. And I think that as much as I argue with some of my friends, I think that that does lead me to kind of have a bit of a different perspective than some people that just really love watching movies, you know what I mean? But yeah, I mean, I've kind of been watching movies since I was a kid and just never stopped.

Eli Price (05:17.597)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (05:20.929)
Right.

Eli Price (05:33.079)
Right, right.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (05:40.786)
Uh, you know, it's, it's like my favorite thing to do is still to this day is go to the movie theater. Um, even if it's like not as cool as it was, like when I was a kid. Um, but yeah, yeah. So that's kind of it. I mean, the problem is it's like, I still love going to the movie theater. I just wish my movie, the movie theater I went to like was nicer. You know what I mean? Like the couple AMCs we have here in New Orleans are.

Eli Price (05:51.424)
Right. I don't know. I feel like it's still just as cool.

Ha ha ha.

Eli Price (06:05.552)
Sure. Sure.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (06:10.102)
Like sometimes I'll go there, the screen is not properly formatted or it's a little blurry or... Dude, I went and saw Black Widow with our youth group here at my church and... Dude, there was like a... There were like every... The edge of every like polygon, so to speak, on screen had like a red-green hue to it because there was like a short in the wire and it was a little out of focus. We had to watch the whole movie like that. And I'm just like...

Eli Price (06:15.117)
Yeah.

Eli Price (06:35.688)
Oh man. That's rough.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (06:42.109)
Then I have my friend who's like, that's why movie theaters suck. I'm like, no, if it was a better quality, you wouldn't be saying that. But anyway.

Eli Price (06:48.752)
Yeah, I've always wanted for like for a while now. I've wanted, you know, we have we don't even have AMCs here in Lafayette. We have the grand. Yeah, it's you know, it's fine. But for a while now, I've thought like, man, it would be a good idea in our little like downtown area to open up like an art house, like theater with like a nice lobby and and all that sort of stuff. That would be so cool.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (06:57.019)
The Grand. I always had a good time with the Grand.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (07:11.339)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (07:15.079)
Yeah, we have a-

Eli Price (07:16.676)
to be able to just show good stuff on good screens with good projectors, but you know.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (07:19.23)
Yeah, right. We have a few of those here in New Orleans. There's like the Broad Street Theater. There's a couple others like the Britannia. The Britannia I think literally has one screen and so they show like one movie there or they you know will do like special events and stuff. But which is like it's like the Broad's really cool but it's like very small and it's like it's great for like a date night but like if I want to go see like

Eli Price (07:25.936)
Mm-hmm Yeah

Right.

Eli Price (07:36.398)
Right.

Eli Price (07:41.581)
Right.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (07:46.358)
the newest like Marvel movie or something or the biggest blockbuster. Like I'm not going to go watch open Heimer at the Broad theater. I'm sorry. I want to see that on the biggest screen I can. So, you know, I feel like I'm there with the box. So anyway, very excited for that movie.

Eli Price (07:55.559)
Right, right.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. But if you are out there listening and you want to invest in that and laugh yet, you know, just reach out to me, you know, we'll make something happen. But yeah. So what was your introduction to Wes Anderson?

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (08:08.705)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (08:17.314)
Man, I feel like it's a name I've always heard. To be honest, even now, like enjoying, like having some of his films that I enjoy, he's not like my favorite director. Like I know a lot of people, I love the joke where it's like, you're Barista's favorite director. I'm like, I mean, yeah, I don't know. There is something to that. But I think the first time I really, I mean, I've always saw like trailers for his movies, like growing up.

Eli Price (08:21.655)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (08:29.838)
Yeah, sure.

Eli Price (08:35.024)
Hehehe

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (08:45.258)
The first movie I think I really watched of his, like, like through like in its entirety and like was like, wow, that was actually really good. And it's you're going to think this is funny because I think it was the same as you as Moonrise Kingdom. So it was a class in college, I took a course called film as art and entertainment. The whole class was my favorite class in school and in college because like basically, it was like a once a week three hour class, but we would just talk about movies and like

Eli Price (08:59.149)
Yeah, okay.

Eli Price (09:08.826)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (09:15.638)
The first half of the class was like, what is a film as entertainment, which is subjective, like what you find entertaining isn't the same as what I find entertaining necessarily. And then one is art, art is objective. You don't have to like it, but it's still art, you know? And so the second half of the class, we like watch like films based on class, like suggestions and one of those movies we watched was Moonrise Kingdom. And I was like,

Eli Price (09:27.447)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (09:44.71)
I loved it. Cinematography was great, the story was great, the sense of comedy, I really like, I'm a very, I like kind of cringe humor, awkward humor, randomness kind of stuff, a little bit of slapstick. And so I think Wes uses those kind of concepts in his very own way. Sometimes it's a bit much.

Eli Price (09:46.)
Yeah.

Eli Price (09:58.485)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (10:02.018)
Yeah.

Eli Price (10:11.221)
Right, right.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (10:14.41)
I think that's the first movie of his I watched. I remember, I went and saw Isle of Dogs in theaters at the Broad Theater actually, me and a couple of friends really liked that one. And at some point, I wanna say, I think on a plane back from Germany after a mission strip, I watched Grand Budapest, which is still, I think my favorite, I think that's his best film that he's made. I'd also-

Eli Price (10:21.89)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (10:38.592)
Yeah, which is saying something because you watched it on a plane and still thought it was his best.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (10:42.35)
Yeah, yeah. Well, I just honestly it was so crazy because like the I think that was like the first flight from Germany back to whatever our first stop in the US was to get back to Louisiana. So like it's a long part of the flight and like I was like really fighting hard not to laugh. Like it was really, really funny. I'd argue it still probably might be his most approachable movie. But anyway, and then at some point I've seen Steve Zissou

Eli Price (11:00.036)
Hehehehe

Oh yeah.

Eli Price (11:07.072)
Yeah, gotcha.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (11:11.794)
Previously, I did rewatch it for this episode, but I do know at some point before, I have seen it and enjoyed it. So yeah, that's a little bit of my background with Wes Anderson. I'd say he's one of those directors where he's not someone I jump out of my seat every time he's making something. I get really excited about it.

Eli Price (11:20.225)
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Eli Price (11:38.669)
Right.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (11:39.594)
But it's someone who I really appreciate how he utilizes the art form and I do appreciate the work that he has done. You know what I mean?

Eli Price (11:48.992)
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it's funny. It's funny you say Grand Budapest is as much a most approachable, which is, I don't know. I don't know how I feel about that. I think in an episode in the past, I've said maybe you shouldn't jump like headfirst into Grand Budapest just because I don't know. It's maybe it's not as like, quote unquote, Wes Anderson as this movie is. But yeah, I say.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (12:15.259)
It's funny... yeah.

Eli Price (12:17.464)
I kind of am of the opinion that, and I've shared this in past episodes, that like Fantastic Mr. Fox is like the perfect introduction because it creates like, it's animated. And so like that kind of the way that he makes movies seems more palatable with animation than live action. And so that's, that's how I've, I've always said, like, if I was going to introduce somebody to Wes Anderson, I would start them maybe with Fantastic Mr. Fox.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (12:25.911)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (12:33.228)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (12:38.743)
It's true.

Eli Price (12:47.392)
and then like see if they like that and then go from there, you know.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (12:47.475)
Yeah, I think...

Yeah, it's gonna hate me, but it's like I for no fault of my own. I still have not seen a fan. That's Mr. Fox. I really want to. It's on my list. I know I would love it, but I just never have had an opportunity to get around to watching it. But I think when I say the most approachable as I just I don't know, it's like in one way, it's like visually, it's like the most West Anderson, West Anderson movie, you know, in perspective to maybe some of his more recent stuff he's done.

Eli Price (12:58.105)
Yeah.

Eli Price (13:02.636)
Yes.

Eli Price (13:06.849)
Yes.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (13:21.318)
is like very heavily Wes Anderson but I just think that yeah yeah which I still haven't gotten around to watching but I did want to see uh or even like Asteroid City the new one that's coming out which I was like my man just said pastel to the max um like people almost look like orange and yellow in that movie it's great um but uh but I think when I say it's the most approachable I feel like um

Eli Price (13:21.644)
Yeah. Yeah, like the French dispatch especially is.

Eli Price (13:31.076)
Yeah, that's coming out, yeah.

Eli Price (13:37.3)
Yes.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (13:48.374)
just the story and the jokes that land. Like I feel like it's the most quotable, it's the one that has the most standout moments of what I've seen, to be honest.

Eli Price (13:52.288)
Right. Right. No, I get that.

Eli Price (13:59.68)
Yeah, well, yeah, it's and it's his most successful and You know it it's it made the most money. So yeah, there's probably there's a lot to what you're saying for sure but yeah, we're gonna jump into the content for today show which is the life aquatic with Steve Z. Sue and you know, it'll be it'll be fun to have you on because you know, you're on track to

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (14:04.094)
And I think that that kind of goes to show that, yeah. Right, right.

Eli Price (14:26.156)
you know, be a documentarian in some way, shape or form. And here we are discussing a movie about a documentarian, basically. Yeah. So that'll be it'll be fun to hear, you know, your perspective on what in the world is going on in this movie. But yeah, you know. It's it's interesting, you know, when I was doing my research, Wes kind of talked about how he.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (14:34.006)
Mm-hmm. Right.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (14:43.352)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (14:55.228)
He had really like ever since he was making Rushmore, like had it in his mind that he was going to make this movie. And he even like discussed it with Bill Murray at the time, like, hey, I'm going to make this movie down the line. But it had been like an idea in his head, he said, for like 14 years. It's just been rattling around in his mind. And so it almost feels like.

You know from the research I've done that seems like the furthest back. I've heard him say like he had this idea for this movie and I Don't know it probably a lot of it has to do with You know, he talks about loving Him and his family loved watching like Jacques Cousteau when they were kids and so it probably has to do with you know that and I don't know maybe maybe just a fascination with

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (15:29.293)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (15:48.457)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (15:52.184)
the sea or who knows who knows what it was.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (15:53.558)
Right. I mean, who doesn't go through a, like ocean face? Like I feel like everybody does. I feel like if Wes Anderson was like born in like the late 80s, early 90s, as opposed to 1969, this would have been like a Shark Week style movie. You know what I mean? Like I feel like that's like, I can't think of any time I've ever seen any Jacques Cousteau documentary, but I feel like...

Eli Price (15:59.872)
Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah.

Eli Price (16:10.456)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (16:13.781)
Yeah, maybe so.

Eli Price (16:20.142)
Right.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (16:21.69)
For me, if I was Wes Anderson, it'd be like, oh, I used to love watching Shark Week.

Eli Price (16:27.22)
Yeah, yeah, I mean he does have his you know, Megalodon in his own way going on in this movie So, you know, I guess there's a there's some of that but yeah Yeah, this um What's funny, you know, we were just talking about Grand Budapest making so much money. This Was actually his biggest budget like this the budget for this movie was 50 million dollars

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (16:33.166)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (16:37.813)
Right.

Eli Price (16:55.384)
And I think Grand Budapest was like 25 million. So like the budget for this movie was double Grand Budapest. And you know, just, yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (16:58.967)
Yeah.

Which is crazy because I don't think it doesn't look like a $50 million movie. No, I mean, like, I don't mean that in a bad way. It just, it has a very, it has a very, like, lo-fi independent film look, you know?

Eli Price (17:06.673)
Yeah. Sure, sure.

Eli Price (17:13.892)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, it does. It does have that kind of look. But yeah, it'll make sense why it costs so much as we get into more of these, like more of these details of how this film got made. But but yeah, it also like was his I don't know. You could probably say it's between this and Bottle Rocket. Well, if what was his biggest flop or what's been his biggest flop so far. So Bottle Rocket was, you know, we talked about on that episode or a recent episode that.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (17:22.753)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (17:37.486)
Yeah.

Eli Price (17:45.784)
that had a $5 million budget. So pretty, you know, not small, small, but pretty small. And it only made like 400 or 500,000. So that's a pretty big flop, obviously, but this only made 35 million. So you're talking about, you know, a $15 million loss.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (17:47.682)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (18:04.714)
Well, and the general rule is, you know, not a lot of studios really put out like marketing numbers, but typically you want to assume that they spend almost as much as they put into the movie on marketing. Like sometimes, like when you see a $50 million budget, it might have been a $25 million budget movie with 25 million for marketing, but sometimes it's like, oh, it's a $50 million budget film plus...

Eli Price (18:13.975)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (18:21.614)
Right.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (18:31.646)
You know, you can assume like another 50 million, you know, it's not always high card and fast numbers, but they potentially lost a lot more if, if they're not factoring marketing into that kind of $50 million budget number for sure.

Eli Price (18:34.54)
Yeah. Right, right.

Eli Price (18:41.32)
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, absolutely for sure. And it's funny. It's you know, part of it is probably just, you know, he had gradually like bottle rocket, lost money in box office, but it gained a huge cult following. And so Rushmore, you know, a lot of people saw Rushmore. And by the time rule of tenenbaums came out, you know, he was really getting, you know, his feet under him just in as far as like.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (18:56.139)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (19:08.398)
Hard enough, yeah.

Eli Price (19:09.028)
people knowing who he is, people wanting to see his movies. And so at this point, he's kind of at the point where like Royal Tenenbaums made a ton of money. It was a big success. The studio's willing to give him like, hey, whatever you wanna do, you can do it. Which is, you know, it's sort of, I guess it's not totally rare, but sort of rare to get, you know, that big of a, yeah, that early on fourth movie to get just like, hey, whatever.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (19:12.31)
Right.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (19:33.55)
That early, for sure.

Yeah.

Eli Price (19:38.672)
Because obviously they were like, whatever you want to do with this movie, go for it. Because he did. It's apparent.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (19:44.574)
Yeah, I mean, because we're, I mean, I'm just trying to think of like some equivalents, like that would be like, that'd be like insomnia era Christopher Nolan getting to like make whatever he wanted. Like, obviously, Wes Anderson now, like, yeah, like, like he, I not as much as like some of these other like, you know, like Christopher Nolan's or your Denis Van Ove's, but I feel like he is one of those directors where when when you see his name attached to something, it puts butts in seats, you know, I think he's

Eli Price (19:54.612)
Right. Right.

Eli Price (20:12.004)
Sure. At this point. Yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (20:12.79)
He's gotten to that point now, but so early on, yeah, and that happens sometimes, and I feel like it's a big gamble for a studio, because obviously there are examples where that goes really, really well, and there's other examples where it's like giving a director that much power too early if it goes to their head or something. You can really end up with a big mess, whether it be financially or the actual films, or whatever, so.

Eli Price (20:16.892)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (20:26.703)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (20:35.054)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Eli Price (20:42.092)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (20:43.075)
So definitely interesting that that's the decision they made like so early on in, you know, in his career, so to speak.

Eli Price (20:47.104)
Yeah, for sure. Yeah. And it's it's interesting because, you know, from from all the interviews and stuff I've read, it just seems like what like from the get go, Wes and. And Owen Wilson first first three movies co wrote with them, and this is his first one without Owen Wilson as a co writer, but just from the get go, Wes was just like, I am going to make. My movies.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (21:08.686)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (21:15.832)
how I make my movies. And so I think there's a sense in which like, yeah, people kind of respected that, hey, like he's from the get-go, like from movie number one, he's been, he hasn't been the kind of guy that's like one for me and one for you. We kind of talked about that in a past episode, like Jim Brooks, who produced Bottle Rocket, who's a big Hollywood producer.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (21:17.408)
Mm-hmm.

Check it to your respect.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (21:34.222)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (21:44.804)
big name. He he he just kind of said, you know, they basically like got themselves like creative freedom by just doing what they wanted to do the way they wanted to do it from the get go, which is really like really cool. And this movie is like the culmination of that really like already movie number four in his career. It's already like kind of the culmination of like

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (21:57.91)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (22:14.788)
I make movies the way I want to make movies. But it's not, you know, when you hear interviews with Wes, it's not, he's not snooty about it. He's actually like, when you listen to him, he's actually, you can tell he just loves it. You know, people will ask him questions about like why he did something the way he did it. And like a lot of times he'll like,

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (22:17.377)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (22:25.044)
Right.

Eli Price (22:42.276)
He'll try to give them like the sort of answer a director would normally give a little bit, but then he'll always come back to. But really, like at the end of the day, the reason I did it that way is because I really loved it that way, which to me is just like really endearing. It's like he just loves he like loves thinking about like the way something should be shot and like executing it, you know.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (23:07.69)
Yeah, well, I think also with Wes Anderson specifically, it's like there's nobody else that can do a Wes Anderson movie like Wes Anderson. And like, you're not, I mean, like, like Kevin Feige is not going to hire Wes Anderson to direct a Marvel movie. Like, like what, like, and like, and like, you know, not every filmmaker wants to be that or can be like that. And that's fine. But yeah, I mean, he's someone who

Eli Price (23:18.089)
Exactly.

Eli Price (23:25.838)
No.

Eli Price (23:32.75)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (23:36.798)
Obviously, he has a very, very specific way, like he has a very specific lens through which he tells stories. And you gotta, right. And you gotta respect that, and it just so happens that, because there's a lot of filmmakers that do have their own voice, but it just so happens with Wes Anderson, it's very abstract a lot of times. You know, so.

Eli Price (23:40.941)
Mm-hmm.

Right, right, he has his own voice.

Eli Price (23:49.584)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (24:01.088)
Right. And and really like he he's not the only one that has had like a fairly early like flop. You know, this was this, you know, he had had this film in his mind for for years. So obviously, like there's something very like personal to him about it. And, you know, I was kind of looking up other films that were made by like just like.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (24:12.078)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (24:29.376)
Successful directors early on that flopped because they were very personal not not necessarily because they were personal films and they just happen to be very personal films that like flopped like Like Scorsese made New York, New York And it was kind of his like he loved all those old musicals and he just it was very personal to him because he was Like hey, I'm a movie maker now. I want to make my own like version of a of those old musicals

And it just like it did terrible like which I've seen it. It's actually really good. It just It just didn't get good reception But like Spielberg made 1941 which was very personal for him flaw kind of a flop Jacques-Tartis playtime Which is a very like I haven't seen it I've seen some frames from it It's it's one that I'd like to eventually see

French filmmaker very like abstract vignette kind of movie Francis Ford Coppola's once from the heart which I haven't seen either but Apparently a very like personal film all these were like huge directors that made these films fairly early on that just like Just didn't do well. So, you know, I guess Wes is in good company as far as that goes. Yeah

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (25:48.673)
the

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (25:54.282)
Well, yeah, well, and also, I mean, you got to think like, for every one of your Spielberg's 1941s, there's a plethora of directors that their very first movie like, like flopped, and then they never work again, or they made a couple movies, and then one flops in. Like, I'll give you an example. I recently like decided to watch like Nightmare on Elm Street, and then I watched the remake.

Eli Price (26:02.568)
Yeah.

Eli Price (26:10.124)
Yeah, right.

Eli Price (26:20.612)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (26:22.83)
And I actually liked the remake a little bit better. Like I thought, I don't know if it's just like, I'm not a fan of like, first I don't really like slashers. I just kind of watched them just to watch them. I don't know if it was just like, the first one was like, got a little too much 80s cheese for me. But I liked this. I thought the back story of Freddy Krueger was a little bit better than the remake. And I thought some of the direction was actually a little interesting, but that's the only movie that guy ever made because it was a critical and commercial failure.

Eli Price (26:25.334)
Okay.

Eli Price (26:37.456)
Sure.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (26:52.642)
And he got, I'm assuming he got blacklisted and they thought he was boxed off as poison. And it just makes you feel bad. It makes you, it does. So it's interesting when you hear about like Spielberg's 1941 or Scorsese's New York, New York, or even this movie with Wes Anderson, cause it's like, it makes you wanna like really deep dive into what, like what did someone see in them or what about them made somebody feel like you deserve another chance.

Eli Price (26:58.272)
Yeah.

Eli Price (27:16.387)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (27:20.182)
Because I literally, you could find thousands of examples of people who their first movie or one of their first movie does really poorly and they literally never, like their career just ends. They don't even get to do something else in the industry. They just, you know.

Eli Price (27:20.387)
Yeah.

Eli Price (27:29.165)
Yeah.

Eli Price (27:34.604)
Yes, I feel like. Yeah, I feel like some of it's. Almost just like kind of luck of the draw, like Wes and his little bunch got really lucky, and they just had happened to have like a connection that, you know, had, you know, friend of a friend of a friend kind of thing and got connected with someone that, you know, wanted to invest in them. And then, you know. Like.

Martin Scorsese does a piece in Esquire like on about Wes Anderson and how much like, you know, basically he was like, Martin Scorsese was felt like president of the Bottle Rocket fan club, you know. And so it really helps like for studios to see like, oh, yeah, yeah. It's like, you know, for a studio to see, oh, Jim Brooks, like.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (28:23.106)
You know, Wes Henderson was punching the air when he read that, like.

Eli Price (28:31.44)
took a chance on these guys. Oh, Martin Scorsese loved this movie. It kind of helps to, I guess, for studios to see that sort of thing and be like, well, there must be something to this guy that we should invest in. Even if, you know, the studio execs can't see it themselves. He's not necessarily like the guy that makes movies in a way where they're like, oh yeah, we definitely can see how we can make the money on this one. But yeah, it's kind of luck of the draw. Like, do you happen to?

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (28:41.462)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Eli Price (29:00.504)
Did you happen to have the right, you know, be born into the right family that has the right connections that has the friend of the friend of the friend, you know.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (29:08.834)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's I could definitely say from being on the other side of it is that like trying like You know being a PA is a little easier because like you like literally I'm telling you about literally sometimes on set They just need a warm body to stand on a street corner and tell people not to walk into the shop But but when you're but when you're when you're trying to move into like other departments like camera like grip like electric it can be really difficult because

Eli Price (29:15.469)
Yeah.

Eli Price (29:28.065)
Yeah.

Eli Price (29:33.101)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (29:37.73)
for a lot of different reasons, no one wants to be the person to give you your first shot. And so it's important for those people that are willing to take a chance on you. So I was, again, listening to a little bit of the backstory of how Wes's career got started. You're right, he had a couple of people who saw something in him that they said, you know what, I like this kid, there's something here. Let's take a chance on him. And I think that...

Eli Price (29:42.168)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (30:01.124)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (30:05.143)
And a lot of different areas of life, like it's so important to like be able to like have those relationships and also like I feel like when you get into positions like To be that person is also really important as well, you know

Eli Price (30:15.544)
Right, right. Yeah. And and it feels like You know, it feels like Wes Was that you know, Wes has been that person for other people too And honestly like we'll get into it in just a bit But you can kind of see that theme of legacy in this movie a little bit Yeah, you know he you know, he took a chance Jason Schwartzman for Rushmore. That was his first ever film

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (30:43.765)
Hmm, well.

Eli Price (30:44.036)
Jason Schwartzman so it's like you know he he took a chance on that guy you know in a similar He just saw something in him. He was like this is the guy took a chance on him Just like someone took a chance on him and Owen and his buddies, so Yeah But yeah get getting more into you know the the film One of the things I thought was really cool That's kind of a little different for Wes is he he has such a wide scope in his mind for

what the film is going to be, what it will look like, and even like what it will sound like. I watched a short little like interview documentary kind of thing with Mark Mother's Ball who's done, he did the music for all of Wes's films so far. And he was talking about like Wes was literally like sitting in his couch in his little studio, they were talking and Wes wasn't even done with the script yet.

but he was already working with him on the sounds that he wanted in the movie. And he was saying, typically how it works is, they'll send you the film and they'll say, okay, this is what we're thinking, can you score it? And here Wes is sitting in his office, not even done with the script yet, he already has in his mind, hey, let's start working on the score.

as I'm working on the script so that they can be so in sync.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (32:12.686)
feel like Wes and I are like the same person in that regard. Like, if I'm going to spend the time writing the script for something, like I know how I want it to look, I know how I want it to sound. Like even nowadays, like, you know, I'll hear a certain song and I'll start to think of like a scene that it could be used for or if I have a scene in mind. Like, so I feel like I'm the very same way where it's like, I think about like stories that I want to tell and like all encompassing, like all the different layers to it.

Eli Price (32:16.333)
Yeah.

Eli Price (32:22.157)
Right.

Eli Price (32:42.478)
Yeah, yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (32:43.022)
which can make it a little difficult when you're trying to work with other people that have their job to do too. But I definitely understand that aspect where Wes is coming from. He knows what he wants. And the music in this movie specifically is really fun.

Eli Price (32:46.669)
Right.

Eli Price (32:54.668)
Yeah, exactly.

It is. It's super fun. In fact, like I remember when I was watching it in my notes, when they when he's like, you know, we put these rabbit ears in our helmets so we could pipe the pipes and music right into our helmets. And he starts like playing it, doing the little dance. And it's that beep, beep, beep, beep. I just wrote in my notes like music and helmets. Awesome. You know, just because I was like, oh, this is so fun.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (33:21.966)
Right. No, I think, yeah. Well, it's one of those movies where like there's not a lot of music in the movie, but when it does pop up, it's just a nice little like, it's just a nice little cherry on top of the scene. You know what I mean? It's just enough to spice it up just a little bit. And it's all, it's just really fun. A little elevator music-esque, but I think that's because of the specific instrument they use for it.

Eli Price (33:29.679)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (33:37.39)
Yeah, yeah.

Eli Price (33:45.387)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, yeah, they used he said the Mark Mothersball said they basically like went in his basement and just like kind of played around on his like. He has so many cents down there and like West was like, yeah, I like the sound. No, not that one. Yeah. Yeah, let's let's try this one. He and West was like, I basically want kind of a cheap Casio kind of sound. And that's kind of what you get in the in the score and even like.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (33:59.768)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (34:10.881)
Mm-hmm.

Right.

Eli Price (34:17.504)
Even the way that Mark plays with that music, I think about specifically the scene where they're doing the raid to rescue his financial guy from the pirates that kidnapped him, that James Bond-esque raid scene. Yeah, we definitely will. But the music there,

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (34:35.906)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (34:41.59)
We gotta talk about that more in depth later, but we'll get to that part.

Eli Price (34:47.38)
If you like, if you're paying attention, you'll notice it starts off with that same little like sort of theme in the music with that electronic Casio sound as they're like getting off the boat. But like as they as they start across the bridge and really start getting getting going, it kind of changes to this like orchestral version of that same music with like strings and horns and.

And woodwinds like it's a full like little orchestra playing it and it just like It's it was it was really cool because I was like, oh wow I like I noticed the change and I noticed like I noticed it after it had already like affected me like it made me like kind of sit forward in my seat a little bit Because it was it was the same thing. It was the same music But it was being played in a more like grand way which matches what's going on, you know

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (35:30.188)
Mmm.

Right.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (35:39.798)
Well, it starts to change like a, like a, almost like a war movie vibe, you know?

Eli Price (35:44.192)
Yeah, mm-hmm. Yeah, absolutely. So I thought that was really cool just how he has all that in his mind from the get-go and like the drawings like I Kind of shared last week on rule of tenenbaums how him and his brother his brother especially started illustrating Everything for for the movies like it was basically like you had your script and you had your like drawings that Eric Chase Anderson had made

working on with Wes to like create what the look was going to be for the movie. And yeah, that's what happened with this one. You know, Wes, Wes kind of talked about one of the things he always like did a bunch of drawings when he was little. And like. I know at least one of the drawings he did, he talks about having this like big tree that's kind of that same idea of the boat in the movie, the set where it's like.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (36:14.039)
Good.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (36:38.039)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (36:42.828)
a kind of like cutaway of this tree city with all those things going on inside of the tree. And so like, that was actually one of the first ideas that started he he started with like, I want to Jacques Cousteau like character. And I want this cross section view of a boat. And those are like, two of the like foundational ideas for the film. And so like,

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (36:45.068)
Right.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (37:03.447)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (37:12.588)
Yeah, this boat, this cross section boat like is just this huge set. It's I want to say I think it's like 150 feet long and it is 40 feet tall. And it's literally like, it's just like you see in the, in the film, like, you know, when, when he, it kind of, it kind of comes in on Bill Murray as Zisu and he says he's kind of holding the model and behind him, you see the literal set.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (37:23.393)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (37:30.647)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (37:38.711)
Mm-hmm.

Right, yeah.

Eli Price (37:41.536)
that little set of the movie and and he says, let me tell you about my boat. And like you get a tour of the boat with that crane shot, like coming, like going from room to room like a dollhouse. Yeah. Yes, it's incredible. And yeah, just the the meta-ness of like having your actual set like shown in the movie, like, and you know, it's a set.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (37:48.974)
Through each section, yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (37:54.11)
We have a sauna, I keep a Swedish masseuse on staff. That's great, that's great.

Eli Price (38:11.64)
but like there's also like things taking place on the set as if it's your inside of the boat for real. It's just really cool. But yeah, the boat, they actually bought two boats. So this is one reason the movie cost so much. They they bought two boats, which were like World War Two ask Arab boats. He West said they they might have been like World War Two boats or like maybe like right at the end of World War Two sort of thing.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (38:26.636)
Oh gosh.

Eli Price (38:41.016)
They bought them in Cape Town, South Africa. And so they they I don't know why they were there, but that's where they got them. And so they had to bring these boats. This film was filmed completely in Italy. So it's his first film that doesn't have wasn't like not in the US. It was completely filmed in Italy. And so they had to take these boats all the way around Africa to get them up to the Mediterranean.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (39:05.948)
Yeah.

Eli Price (39:08.704)
And Wes even said at some point, like it took forever. Like they got there just in time and actually they didn't get. Sorry, I'm confusing it a little bit. They didn't take both boats. They bought both boats. One was in decent, not very good condition, but they could, you know, they could, I don't know, drive it because I don't know what term sail it. It's not, it's not a sailboat. So I don't know what to say. Yeah. They could boat the boat, you know.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (39:30.062)
Sale it? Right, I mean, yeah.

They could cruise.

Eli Price (39:38.98)
Yeah, the other boat was not worth it, but they salvaged a ton of pieces of it. And so that was used on the like the set. All those so the pieces they put the pieces of the unsalvageable boat onto the salvageable one and took this took it up to Italy. And Wes said they even got delayed in Ivory Coast. He said he's not sure even what happened. He was like.

Yeah, they they got held up in Ivory Coast. I don't know if they went into the port and they couldn't get out. He said they might have had they might have ended up in jail. They might have had to pay someone off. He said, I really don't know. So I don't know if he was like saying this is what happened, but I'm not going to say this is what happened. Or if he was saying, like, these are things I heard, but I really don't know. It's just like interesting, like they they.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (40:35.082)
Right, yeah, no, it's wild.

Eli Price (40:37.496)
But yeah, they got stuck in Ivory Coast for a while and apparently maybe had to pay, you know, some of probably the government, you know, off to be able to get out of the port.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (40:46.206)
I mean, listen, listen, I've, I've, I have been to like Central America on mission trips a few times and, uh, man, you know, there, there's, there's places around the world where things are a little rough. And when, when you're in a place where things are a little rough, things can happen. Uh, we, we once had, uh, we were trying to cross the border from Dominican public to Haiti and the Dominican Republic officials, uh, like

Eli Price (40:54.464)
Uh-huh.

Eli Price (41:01.791)
Yeah.

Eli Price (41:05.186)
Oh yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (41:14.678)
like we had to gather everyone's passports. There's like 70 of us, like it was a couple different groups on this trip and they brought them to the office to like get them stamped or whatever and then the officials were trying to like hold them hostage basically. So I mean, you know, you may not know what happened but I would not be surprised if all of those things are true. It can get really crazy.

Eli Price (41:17.7)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (41:28.033)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Eli Price (41:35.96)
Right, yeah. Absolutely. So basically, they got it there in the nick of time. They built this huge set. You know, kind of the boat, the cross-section boat piece is like, you know, it's built like a set is normally built with wood. And then they got these pieces from the unsalvageable boat. And those are like a bunch of the stuff you see like in those rooms and on the boat, like are actual like real pieces of the kind of twin boat.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (41:50.549)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (42:00.087)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, like the bulkhead kind of looking, yeah. It's an awesome boat. It looks great.

Eli Price (42:05.844)
Yeah, so and then yeah, yeah, it is. It is perfect. They got it there. They painted it, all that sort of stuff. But yeah, so, you know, just really incredible. Like it's like, OK, I see why this movie costs 50 million dollars. They had to buy these two boats and get the boat from Cape Town to Italy. You know, that costs a lot of money. Yeah. But yeah, so.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (42:28.874)
Yeah, it's not, it's all right, a lot of, a lot of gas, you know.

Eli Price (42:36.3)
Yeah, there's there's a lot of there's a lot of other interesting things about this movie getting made obviously like it's his first collaboration with Noah bomb back as a co writer. And so, and really his first collaboration with them at all I didn't really do any research into how they met but i'm sure they just kind of. were in similar circles and we're like hey let's you know let's write something together, they have a similar you know kind of style and the way they they write.

especially like dialogue and so So yeah, I actually saw it watch the interview in the criterion collection DVD it was a Italian talk show they were on together and It was actually like really funny because the the talk show hosts would like ask them questions and they would like

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (43:08.6)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (43:29.532)
not really know how to take the question and just kind of like be really sarcastic with their answer. And yeah, it was interesting seeing like their dynamic together. But yeah, wrote it with Noah Baumbach. You know, the it's, it's, we'll talk a little bit more about like them working together a little bit later. But yeah, it's there's a lot of interesting things

For instance, yeah, I get.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (44:00.302)
She looks so young in this movie. Like I know this is like after, this is after Lord of the Rings obviously, but like she looks like 10 years younger in this film than she did in Lord of the Rings. And it's insane. Cause I know she would have been, I mean, not saying this is old, but I know she had to have been like mid thirties probably when this movie was made, but she looks like she's like barely 20 in the movie.

Eli Price (44:06.07)
Right, right.

Eli Price (44:11.408)
She does, she does. And.

Eli Price (44:24.224)
Right, right. Yeah, she she does look young and it's funny. She so she gets on she's like getting fitted for like her like prosthetics for the for looking pregnant and whatnot And she actually like finds out After she's already like being cast and she's on set that she actually is pregnant and so just one of those kind of funny like funny things that happens on a movie set like oh, I'm playing a pregnant person and

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (44:51.683)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (44:53.836)
you know, oh, I actually am pregnant. Who knew? So it almost makes you wonder like if some of the, some of the scenes like she's able to like really dig into that for, for acting. So.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (45:07.498)
Yeah, well, I would imagine that depending on how far she was along when she found out that at some point she may not have even needed the prosthetic. I feel like there's a scene where Steve walks in on her and Ned sharing a bed after a bunch of crazy stuff happens.

Eli Price (45:16.108)
Yeah, I don't think she was very far along.

Eli Price (45:25.988)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (45:32.074)
She doesn't look like she's wearing her prosthetic because her bump is not as big. So I imagine maybe that's the scene where she was kind of showing. Right, right, right. I mean, you never know, man. I've seen it all. So that is an interesting little tidbit.

Eli Price (45:36.984)
Yeah, I mean maybe who knows Yeah, it's hard to know like when they shoot what seems like on the timeline

Eli Price (45:50.036)
Yeah. Yeah.

Eli Price (45:54.508)
Yeah, but um, yeah, so, you know any you know, he's kind of growing his little ensemble of of kind of Actors and actresses that he works with regularly So it's fun to see that but yeah, uh, yeah, so he shot this. Um In a in a similar, you know with a similar camera if not the same thing as rushmore and royal tenenbaums. It's that wide Uh like that really wide screen cinemascope camera

I don't know if you're familiar with that.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (46:24.046)
Which, not necessarily. I mean, there's all kinds of different formats, but I do think, I feel like, again, as someone who's more of a casual fan of Wes Anderson, but I do like specific films of his, I feel like in my mind, he's always been associated with four by three. And everything's very, and everything happens exactly in the middle, right? Like, especially like,

Eli Price (46:28.577)
Yeah, yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (46:46.23)
Okay.

Eli Price (46:50.724)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (46:53.526)
popular like there's been a trend on social media right now where people are like doing like a parody of like a Wes Anderson thing. They're just doing like a random lunch and they do it like Wes Anderson. And a lot of it is like everyone's everything's perfectly centered and I feel like people are really nailing the vibe of some of it. And so I thought it and so I yeah that's you. So I didn't get it's been a while since I've seen this movie so I'm going back and watching it. I'm like in my mind I'm thinking oh it's like it's going to be like a four by three.

Eli Price (46:57.497)
Yep.

Eli Price (47:03.536)
Right.

Eli Price (47:10.176)
Oh yeah, the music helps too.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (47:22.894)
quite surprised at how wide of a format he used for it and how it felt. Yeah.

Eli Price (47:28.12)
Yeah, and that's that's he does that he does it in all of his movies like, you know Especially these first not not bottle rocket. He kind of had his hands tied. He wanted to but he couldn't But yeah these first The three after that including this one. Yeah, he he uses that widescreen Where it almost is even like distorted at the edges

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (47:53.218)
Hmm. Yeah.

Eli Price (48:01.572)
Sorry, I've got a little cough. But yeah, so he uses this widescreen. It's the sort of camera that you would normally see in an action epic, or a very historical film, where it's that really widescreen. It's not typically used for comedic movies, but it is, it works.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (48:03.318)
No, you're good, man.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (48:18.924)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (48:26.205)
Right.

Eli Price (48:30.632)
And he, you know, I've talked about it in past episodes, but the way that the camera works in that specific like wide screen lens he uses is like you get all the depth of focus. Like it doesn't matter if someone's in the background, like you see them clear as day. And it's just so important like.

It gets more and more important to have that sort of lens, working with it as you get more and more Wes Anderson because of all the detail, like in the background. So like this.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (49:09.022)
Yeah, I would imagine that they have to use a lot of light when they shoot a Wes Anderson movie because one of the things that most impacts your depth of field is your focal point of your lens. So, I don't know how much you know, but for the audience, a camera lens, it's like your eyeball iris, right? Where you...

Eli Price (49:34.724)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (49:35.594)
It has these blades inside where if it's wide open, like the blades are all the way open, it's gonna let in a lot of light. If it's not all the way open, it's gonna let in a little bit of light, but that also affects your depth of field. So if something's like 1.5, like a little tiny adjustment of focus is gonna make it jump. So for him to have a scene where there's a lot of space between people, but everyone's at focus, he has to shoot.

in a way in which his lens is letting in less light. So the iris is more closed off. So there's not much of that difference between the focal, the different focal lengths. And that means there has to be like more light on set to compensate, otherwise everything would look darker. So it is interesting that he does that. Cause most, I mean, most people I know that are filmmakers. I mean, we all get really, really giddy when you have like super tight focus and you see all the.

Eli Price (50:17.552)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, and his...

Eli Price (50:31.991)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (50:32.426)
the beautiful distortion behind someone's head and it's like so cool looking and then Wes Anderson is like, like, yeah, I'm just going to show everything in focus, you know.

Eli Price (50:36.016)
Ahem.

Eli Price (50:41.12)
Yeah, and it's because he packs so much information like he talks about. We've talked in the past, like when he makes a movie like the ideas, the ideas for his movie are just like he has a list of information. And so like and it all adds to the character or it adds to, you know, the tone of the scene, so like, you know, you'll have you'll have

a dialogue scene where like Bill Murray will be talking or, you know, Steve will be talking to Ned and you know, he does that kind of like cut dialogue cut where like it's the wide screen but like the the close up it has, you know, Zisu on the left side, Ned on the right side. So when it cuts back and forth, there's kind of that symmetry in the edit. But like so Bill will be Zisu will be talking to Ned.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (51:32.342)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (51:37.376)
And like you'll see Klaus, Willem Dafoe's character in the background. And like, because he's in focus, Steve will say something to Ned that offends Klaus. And you'll see like Klaus like turn and look at him. And so like you get that, you're getting all that information because of that, everyone being in focus that you don't get with, right. And.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (51:52.247)
Right.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (51:56.342)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (52:00.578)
It's a lot of visual gags, yeah. You almost have to watch a Wes Anderson movie twice. You gotta watch it the first time just to have that first experience, listen to the story. And then it's the second time, you should almost watch it on mute and just pay attention to the visual gags because there are a lot of little moments like that where just on the edge of frame, something like that will happen.

Eli Price (52:07.158)
Yes.

Eli Price (52:11.309)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (52:18.127)
Yes.

Eli Price (52:24.268)
Yeah, and it's all it all like is character building because that's what he cares about. Like if you if you watch any interviews at all with West when they're like, you know what? So like the Zisu character, you know, they're like, you know, is it is it supposed to be, you know, a projection of you kind of like in the future of your career, like kind of wondering like, oh, like I'm am I going to become washed up?

like this guy, am I going to like hit this wall like him, where I haven't made a good movie in 10 years? And he's like, well, obviously, like there's pieces of me, but there's pieces of this guy. I know that is the Suze age. There's these pieces of these other people. And he has all these. He draws from like all these people and ideas to make these characters. But then the characters kind of like take off and like

Like for this movie and interview, he kind of talked about how they he didn't. Like the way the the Zisu character started off, like isn't the way he like the way he ended at the end of the movie, basically, like where he came to wasn't necessarily like how he envisioned the character when he started, like developing the character. So like he.

He's making the character and they're writing the script and all of a sudden he's like, oh, this is just how this character has developed now.

Eli Price (54:04.304)
Sorry. But yeah, so it's just interesting. Like he he loves his characters and I think it I think it just reflects like the love he has for like people, which, you know, we're real characters, like we're people, we're humans, we're we're not like in a story, but like we are, in a sense, in the story of the world, I guess.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (54:20.354)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (54:33.866)
Yeah, some of us are definitely more characters than others, that's for sure. I mean, how did you hang around New Orleans long enough, man? You definitely see some characters around.

Eli Price (54:33.921)
And so like.

Absolutely. And so like, but we all. Yes. Absolutely. But but, you know, even like Jeff Goldblum in an interview was talking about how like he I think I wrote down exactly like what he said. Let me see if I can find it real quick. But basically, like just this idea of West's like really.

Yeah, he said, you can just tell like that West's really appreciates people. So like just he said, you know, he's basically saying the way he sees West like interact with the crew and the actors and everything, you can just tell like he appreciates not just like them working with him, but them as people. And and, you know, he said, because of that, it really like brings something out of them. So like.

It's this idea of like, man, he appreciates who people are as people. And because of the way he like interacts with them and treats them in that way, like it brings more of them more out of them as an actor or as, you know, just a member of the crew. And I feel like it's similar with his with his characters in his films, like he just appreciates these characters as like who he's thought of them, like whatever influences.

He's thought of them as and it and it creates like it makes them their own thing. And so, like when people are like, oh, is it you or is it influenced by this? He's like, you know, yes, but more like this character became its own like person in a way, which is why, like that contrast of like comedy and like emotion or like kind of.

Eli Price (56:32.736)
Artifice and like true real deep emotion like work Whereas typically like those things can clash and kind of create like a weird tone in a movie that kind of takes you out Of it, which it still does for some people just it's just so different but like I think the reason it works for a lot of people is just because He does truly like

appreciate these characters as characters, which I think is is really cool and really like makes his movies. You know, unique because he can make them with his, you know, very different style and still get a lot of emotion out of them.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (57:15.79)
Well, and I think, you know, not that I mean to pivot here, but when you're talking about the things that he does that are unique. One of the things I really love about this movie, and I'm also thinking of a similar scene in Grand Budapest is a couple of shootouts of this film. They're actually really awesome. Like, they get your blood pumping. Like, I love the way that they're shot. And I'm like, would it be weird if...

Eli Price (57:25.164)
Yeah, yeah, let's go for it.

Eli Price (57:37.716)
Yeah. Yes! Ahem.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (57:45.01)
if Wes Anderson made like a whole like action film, like a spy thriller, like, like, I think he still have to have some of that comedy because like, it's you have to have that absurdity. But I'm like, like, honestly, like low key, I'm like, I kind of want to, I kind of want a Wes Anderson, like James Bond film. Like, have you ever seen? Have you ever seen the original Casino Royale film from like, the late 50s?

Eli Price (57:59.085)
Yeah.

Eli Price (58:08.32)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (58:16.222)
So prior to Dr. No, there actually, I think technically there were two adaptations of James Bond prior to Dr. No. There was like a TV movie made in America in the early 50s where James Bond was an FBI officer instead of a secret agent. I've never seen it. I'm sure it's not great.

Eli Price (58:18.677)
No, I haven't.

Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (58:30.34)
Okay.

Eli Price (58:42.5)
Gotcha.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (58:43.622)
Mostly because James Bond's British, right? And anyway, he's American. And then actually technically the very first official James Bond adaptation is the original Casino Royale film. Let's double check and see if I can figure out when it came out. 1967. Maybe it was not prior to that. I want to know.

Eli Price (58:45.625)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (59:10.958)
No, it's like a 62 nevermind. I've known with 62 so it's not prior to Dr. No, but but it's but the original casino royale. It's basically a parody film. It's a it's an ensemble Comedy it stars David Nevin You know famous comedian at the time as the original James Bond but it literally the whole movie is a bunch of people pretending to be James Bond and it's Absolutely ridiculous and I've only seen it once but in my mind. I'm thinking like it feels very West Anderson esque

Eli Price (59:13.732)
Yeah, Dr. No is 50s.

Eli Price (59:18.047)
Oh, 62, okay.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (59:39.89)
And so now, yeah, like just with the, it's just very witty, very like quick, quick talking, snappy characters, a lot of like little random vignettes that happen from what I remember. And so honestly, I'm like, I feel like I'd love to see like a full length like action film from Wes Anderson because the shootout on the boat and then the raid on the island, like it's like,

Eli Price (59:43.032)
Yeah, in the tone, I guess.

Eli Price (59:51.209)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:00:06.87)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:00:09.77)
really silly and ridiculous, but it's also kind of awesome to watch too. Like I love, like there's that shot where, dude, when Steve like turns the corner and you see the table with all the pirates and then the one guy points at him. And then like the camera, instead of like, it's like, it's like Steve's protection looking this way, they look at him and then the camera cuts to like, the, like, like looking straight onto the set, like on the false wall side. And it like does this zoom, this like pan.

Eli Price (01:00:15.204)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:00:24.032)
Yes. Yes.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:00:37.89)
from like the table, they're all shooting, you see Sparks going off to where Steve is, and it's just such a great shot, I love it. And it almost has like a martial arts film vibe to it, where it's like, oh, why do you see everything happening? And I was watching it, I'm like, man, I think a Wes Anderson proper spy film could be really, really fun. And I think he's kind of dabbled with that in some of his movies, like a little bit of like.

Eli Price (01:00:38.978)
Uh huh.

Eli Price (01:00:49.012)
Oh yeah.

Eli Price (01:00:55.758)
Yeah, yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:01:05.462)
heists, you know, secret agent kind of stuff.

Eli Price (01:01:08.087)
Yeah. Yeah, I almost.

Yeah, and it's funny, like, so when I was doing research for a bottle rocket, they actually like they when they started writing it, they were like, oh, we're going to make like a kind of like crime movie in a, you know, mean streets as like kind of like crime, maybe mob movie kind of thing. And they started writing and they were like, this isn't going to work. We're this isn't our style.

And so they still made a crime movie, but like. In there, like with their kind of style, with their voice and with their like personalities, which makes it like very funny and very like childlike and very. And so it's almost like, yeah, I guess you could like apply that to an action film like.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:01:45.474)
Mm.

Eli Price (01:02:08.34)
And it would probably turn out something like Bottle Rocket did as far as like a crime, you know, a crime mob movie sort of thing, like where you watch it and you're like, this is not a crime mob movie, but.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:02:12.854)
Yeah, I just think he's... Right, right. I just think he has... I don't know, it's just something about like, he's already such a unique filmmaker, and so then to see him have like, this like really strong action scene, like the whole raid sequence is like, it's like really, really funny, but also it's just really well made in general.

Eli Price (01:02:29.626)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:02:39.01)
And so I don't know and I know and I know like I'm sure in the Grand Budapest Hotel episode You could talk about the shootout in that movie as well The one that I can remember but it's just I know it's just something I noticed where I was like that's like the biggest thing that stuck out to me, especially because like the The first the one on the boat like all the sound cuts out It's just music and it almost makes you wonder like this is actually happening or just just or just just in his mind Because I might again having not seen the movie in a long time

Eli Price (01:02:40.908)
Yeah, it's well executed for sure.

Eli Price (01:02:48.696)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:02:53.23)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:03:01.529)
Yes.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:03:07.174)
And when that scene started, I was trying to remember if that actually happened or if he just imagined it. Because I could see it going either way where it's something he imagines himself doing and that just cuts to him not actually doing it. But seemingly in context of the movie, right, but seemingly in the context of the movie, yeah, he actually does this one man, you know, BA kind of run against all the pirates on his ship. And it's just a really interesting effect where all the sound cuts out.

Eli Price (01:03:17.197)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:03:22.564)
Mm-hmm, but that's not Wes's style. Yeah

Eli Price (01:03:30.893)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:03:34.934)
And he just got that cheesy electro Casio music going. But also all the practical stuff going on is like really good too, like all the sparks.

Eli Price (01:03:41.648)
Mm hmm. Yeah, so.

Eli Price (01:03:47.801)
Oh, yeah, absolutely. And it's it's funny like that one in particular. You know, it's. You know, you mentioned like you would you almost expect it to cut to like cut back to like, oh, none of this is actually really happened, which makes it even kind of like more funny and awesome that it doesn't at the same time. Like, it's funnier that it doesn't cut back to that because like

what a cliche that would be. And Wes is like totally not into like doing things the cliche way. But also like it makes it more awesome. And I think part of it is, you know, you know, but even before the the sound count, the sound cuts out and you just hear the score, there's this like thunder clap that I noticed, like it's like it's almost like in a epiphany moment.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:04:34.251)
Right.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:04:40.822)
Well, I think it, it uh...

Eli Price (01:04:44.564)
It's something what is something West does in his sound design like when there's an epiphany or when there's something like Really epic about to happen. It's like the only time he adds in those like very like Obvious like sound design elements where you get the thunderclap, which is a common thing he uses

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:04:44.82)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:04:59.382)
Well, also there's like a really, really quick little like, like a montage and it, and it cuts to, I believe it cuts back to his face at the beginning of the movie where he comes out after his friend was killed by the Jaguar shark. And so in that moment, it's almost like he's, he's reminded of how helpless he felt in that moment that he couldn't save his mentor and he's like, this is not happening again, you know? And so.

Eli Price (01:05:17.184)
Yeah. Mm hmm.

Eli Price (01:05:25.328)
Mm-hmm. Right.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:05:28.482)
That's kind of what, it's probably a mix of like anger, regret, grief, you know, also like just not wanting to be, not wanting to feel helpless again. And like that's what gives him the, just the push to fight off the pirates. And it's like really, really quick, but it's a really nice moment.

Eli Price (01:05:29.921)
Right.

Eli Price (01:05:37.82)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:05:55.328)
Yeah, yeah. And I'm trying to find in my notes. I had I'd written down something that I don't know, somebody had said something about that scene that really stood out to me. And it was kind of just about like in that scene, it's almost as if it's almost as if Zisu like Steve is like.

Eli Price (01:06:24.12)
It's almost as if he has this moment where he's like...

Eli Price (01:06:33.988)
There's this moment where he has control. Like, he's a very controlling person, obviously. Like, everything that is happening as they're making the documentary, he's making adjustments. And it's real life, it's happening. Even at some point, he says, it's a documentary. It's all really happening, like an argument. But he is making director-like adjustments to things. Hey, let's do, did you get that shot when there's actually something real happening?

He'll like say, okay, let's maybe you say that again, but say it a different way, sort of thing. And so it's, there's, I think there's a couple of elements going on. One of which is like, he's such a controlling person, like, and he's so out of control in this moment. He just like, it's like this moment where he's like, I have to get back in control. But yeah, that, that montage also, I think points to just, he has...

He has a ton of rage inside of him because of the things he's experienced. You know, he's lost his mentor. He he isn't like getting this woman that he's kind of interested in. Like his wife might be leaving him like he has, you know, he's he's lost somebody in the past, too. He's not as successful as he used to be. You know, nobody really cares about him. And so it's like it's all these things.

Um, like that kind of trigger this moment where like it, it brings out this rage in him that he has, um, under the surface the whole time, but all comes out in this moment. Um, and, but he uses it in this moment, like to, you know, I guess, like fight back against all those things. Like it's almost as if, yes, he's like fighting the pirates off the boat, but like,

The rage that allows him to do that is like because of all these things he's experienced. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:08:31.65)
Right, right. I think that's why there's that brief little cutaway to his... It's like the same exact shot of when he first comes out the wall. They were like, you've got the hydro... whatever they call it. The hydrogen madness or whatever.

Eli Price (01:08:49.824)
Yeah. Mm hmm. The crazy eyes like he he literally wore like these contacts that had like little spirals in them for that scene. Yeah. One of the little documentaries I watched, like showed the costume person like taking them out of Bill's eyes. And it was pretty painful to watch. Yeah. But.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:08:51.195)
Crazy eyes, yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:08:57.377)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:09:09.356)
Right.

Eli Price (01:09:21.577)
Yeah, it's, yeah, there's a lot packed into this movie. You know, there's definitely like I was talking about, he's a filmmaker, like Steve Zissou is a filmmaker, he's a documentarian. And so, you know, it almost feels like there is a sense in which Wes, you know, in writing this character is like thinking about, okay.

What would it look like if I become washed up? You know, what will it look like? Well, what will I look like 20, 30 years down the road? What state will I be in? You know, and, you know, he said he said, yeah, there's a little bit of that. But also, like, he knows people that kind of are inspiring to him or that he's related to that are kind of in that state, too, that he drew from.

So it's not just like him projecting himself, but also like drawing from people that he knows that are like in that place in life too, which is probably helpful for making the character so such a good character.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:10:21.154)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:10:27.442)
I also wonder if he wrote the part with like Bill Murray in mind. Because like I feel like there's a lot of that in Bill Murray as well, depending like if you look at where he was in his career. You know I mean it had been a long time since he had really done anything notable. I also find it a little funny like just some of the quirks of the character Steve Zizou like he's he's he's kind of a dick.

Eli Price (01:10:36.544)
Yeah, he definitely did. He knew Bill Murray was going to play it.

Eli Price (01:10:42.732)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:10:56.542)
I mean, he really is, right? And if you know anything about Bill Murray in real life, he kind of is and kind of like was at the time. He kind of is a bit of a pain to work with from what I hear, especially on certain projects. I wonder how much of some of the aspects of the character was him acting. He's like very dry.

Eli Price (01:11:00.524)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:11:26.278)
It almost he almost has like a I guess a feeling of boredom, you know, which I'm sure was intentional because he's again He's got he's got all this stuff under the surface that he doesn't want to deal with and I think it comes out and him Kind of like well sure. Yeah, we'll do that, you know, whatever you want and so and but it's like I wonder how much of that was like Like I almost makes you wonder like did West kind of know about some of like bills personality quirks and like he kind of included that in the character or

Eli Price (01:11:39.152)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:11:55.482)
what did Bill Murray bring to the table? I mean, it's a great character, and in the context of the movie, it really works. But it is a bit funny to me just to think he doesn't really feel like he's acting because that kind of is Bill Murray's personality in a lot of ways.

Eli Price (01:11:57.347)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:12:04.749)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:12:11.52)
Yeah. Well, yeah, it's. Yeah, Wes, Wes kind of said like that Bill has this like underlying sadness that comes out when he's on camera, that isn't necessarily like. Yeah, he and he kind of the way he said it made it seem like he he's not necessarily saying like that's who Bill is, but just like when he's on camera, it's there. It's a reason like he was drawn to him.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:12:21.186)
A lot of comedians do.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:12:29.654)
Mm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:12:37.771)
I think it's his face.

Eli Price (01:12:40.74)
But yeah, it's it's funny like, yeah, it is. And it's.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:12:41.226)
He's really good at like, I don't know, his resting face, I think, has like a certain like puppy dog-eyeness to it, you know?

Eli Price (01:12:51.682)
Yeah, I guess.

Yeah. But yeah, you know, Bill, from from what I've seen in his working with with West through these movies, I almost wonder, like because I've seen some like I've watched some behind the scenes stuff for for each of them. He's been in three of them. And I almost wonder if like his just sense of humor rubs some people the wrong way and make them say like he's difficult to work with, because like he does like you'll see him like being like really dry and like.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:13:15.467)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:13:24.928)
Like for me, like I have a like, is, you know, not exactly the same, but a very similar sense of humor. So like to me, it's just like, oh, he's just being funny. Like, but like I could see how like some people would be like, oh, like Bill, like he's so like snooty and like. Right.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:13:27.15)
Hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:13:30.505)
Right.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:13:36.062)
Right. Well, I think it also depends on who you're working with. Obviously, if Bill and Wes have a good rapport, it's different. Sometimes he may be working on a project that he just doesn't like, doesn't believe in, but he either needs the money or he's doing a favor for somebody, that kind of stuff. It makes him want to not really do his best. But also it's like, maybe not so much.

Eli Price (01:13:47.002)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:13:52.097)
Right?

Eli Price (01:13:59.428)
for sure.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:14:05.066)
anymore. But I think there was a time where he's like, I'm like, I'm Bill Murray. Like, like, you know, I'm a big deal. Right. Exactly. I mean, it's like, and it's like, to an extent, like, you get it. Because like, I mean, how many classic comedies can you name from the 80s and 90s that, you know, he was a part of? And, you know, he is one of the reasons that makes so many of those films so noticeable, notable, you know, and I think it's I think it's, you know, I think that people

Eli Price (01:14:15.972)
Ghostbusters will do that to you. Hahaha.

Eli Price (01:14:25.859)
Hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:14:35.266)
tend to forget how easy it is for things like that to go to your head at a certain point, you know, to an extent. Again, nothing against Bill. I just find it funny that I feel like the way the character is portrayed in the film of Steve Zizou, it feels like, oh yeah, this was made for Bill Murray because this seems to be a little bit of who Bill Murray is as a person too, to an extent.

Eli Price (01:14:42.816)
Yeah. Yeah, and it's

Eli Price (01:15:01.776)
Sure. Yeah. And there is there is all that in the film. You know, there's even a scene where like he overhears some like people speaking in Italian and I guess understands them and then like goes out and is pouting. It's like, you know, they say they say they're just jealous, but it still hurts. And, you know, there's a lot of that in the movie. It's it's almost like West West in writing it. And I guess Bomback, too, as his co-writer, a kind of.

You know, seeing this character, you know, as a filmmaker. And, you know, at this point in Wes's career, especially for him, you know, he's he's had a lot of success. And Royal Tenenbaums was was almost like a reflection on like, what if I'm not the genius like they said I was? And then if he follows it up with this one, which is almost like, you know.

What if all the things people say about me are true and I've become washed up and unsuccessful 10 years from now?

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:16:00.982)
which is really kind of like tragically ironic that this movie was a flop and like that's one of the biggest themes of the film. And, but I'm also really glad that, yeah, no, I'm just saying I'm really glad that he didn't really, he didn't really take this film being a flop as an answer to that question, you know, cause he, you know, he's like, hey, I got more stories to tell, you know, hey, more power to him.

Eli Price (01:16:08.88)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it didn't stop them, though.

Eli Price (01:16:28.064)
Yeah, yeah. And so, you know, I think of the scene where he's in that doing the interview with Blanchett's character. And, you know, he's like making her tell him like what she didn't like about some recent documentaries. And and she says, so like while he while they're doing the interview, there's this like orca in the background, like through the window, porthole of the boat, like doing the almost like posing, like posing for the camera.

like in that little window and she he finally gets her to say and she's like, well, you know, I thought aspects of it were slightly fake and and there's an orca posing in the background.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:17:02.35)
And I loved her delivery of that line. Yeah, it's like, it's like hard to explain, but just, well, firstly, like Cate Blanchett's like accent for the character is like, it's just perfect. Like it's like this very, very like posh, like kind of like British vibe. And just her delivery. Right, right. So her

Eli Price (01:17:21.411)
Yeah.

Uh-huh. Yeah, it's just a little slight twist on her real accent.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:17:27.498)
But her delivery of that line specifically, it's like just the right amount of like silence goes by before she says it and the way that she says it. She's like, I thought aspects of it seemed slightly fake. It's just perfect. It just, oh my gosh. It's just, it really landed it.

Eli Price (01:17:36.635)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:17:42.544)
Uh huh. Yeah. And and yeah, the pause lets you like watch the orca like posing for the camera in the background is like, yeah, that's definitely fake. You know, and so it's just like the irony and the comedy, but also like the real emotion of like as a filmmaker, like West heard like probably I'm sure like he he would hear or read that exact same

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:17:48.919)
Right.

Right.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:18:09.678)
Mm.

Eli Price (01:18:12.4)
comment about his films. Like one of the things that people said, like he's even talked about it in interviews, like as a response, like responding to questions like, oh, this, you know, the way he makes movies really takes me like out of it. And Wes is like, well, that's the way I like it. Like, but just like him reflecting on it and, you know, for the character to start off like with those sorts of. You know, Zisu really like.

Gets upset like when she says that like he makes her say it and then he gets upset And it's almost like You know Wes kind of like sees through this character like he gets to the point where like at the end of the movie He's sitting with her and she's public. She's finally like published her article on him that she's been writing and you know, she's asking what he thought about it and he he kind of said like

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:18:47.306)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:19:09.188)
He kind of says, like, I'm glad you wrote it the way you did and didn't, like, leave out the bad parts. He said, I wrote down the quote, he says something to the effect of people are going to think I'm a showboat and a prick. He says, but, you know, that's me. I said those things. I did those things and I can live with that. And it's like this progression of this character who's coming to terms with one who he is, which I think is a common theme throughout West's films of people.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:19:31.224)
Mm.

Eli Price (01:19:38.692)
characters Coming to a point of acceptance of themselves and acceptance of others for who they are so You know, I think Zisu is as a like prominent example of that But yeah, you know he you know Zisu just reaches that point where he's just wrestling but that question of am I ever? Am I ever gonna be good again? You know, and I think I think that theme of legacy that we talked about that's kind of

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:19:49.153)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:20:09.252)
It's kind of unique a bit to this film and Wes's filmography. You know, the movie starts with his mentor for, for years that's mentored him. Um, and bit a huge advocate for him, like dying. He doesn't have that anymore. And so for all these years, and he's been successful and for all these years, he, he hasn't needed to think about like, well, what happens when I'm gone?

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:20:36.575)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:20:39.136)
You know, and now all of a sudden, like his mentor is gone, the person that like brought him up. And then all of a sudden, this like son protege figure shows up in Ned Owen Wilson's character. And all of a sudden, like he's thinking about that idea of legacy like. You know, I don't think he had ever thought about like, am I going to pass anything on like, am I going to pass like this? Because he does. You can tell Zisu loves what he does.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:21:06.295)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:21:08.64)
Like you can tell he genuinely like thinks that he's bringing something, you know, in his documentaries that like makes the world a more interesting, if not like necessarily a better place, quote unquote, at least a more interesting place or, you know, so he's never really thought about like what happens when I'm gone. Is there going to be someone that can do this like behind me? And so, yeah, I think that

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:21:21.9)
Right.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:21:37.678)
Well, I think a lot of us have had that experience. I mean, firstly, I think everyone, no matter if you're an artistic person or not, a creative person or not, no matter what you do, I think you have those moments where you crash and you burn. You think, man, I'm ever going to be good again. That's like a universal human thing. You know? Right. Yeah. I can't tell you how many times I've sat down and I've said that to myself.

Eli Price (01:21:38.072)
That idea is interesting, you know?

Eli Price (01:21:56.276)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Eli Price (01:22:01.184)
Yeah, or was I ever, you know?

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:22:06.698)
And then also legacy, I think for most people, especially if you're a bit younger in age, I think for most people, they don't really ask themselves questions about legacy until someone significant in their life passes away, especially if they're older, like a family member, a mentor, whatever, a friend. I think it's natural for, especially when it's a very sudden or very tragic...

incident, I think it's very natural for that to be a point in time where you start asking yourselves those bigger questions about legacy, about like, man, who's going to carry on my story when I'm no longer able to do it myself?

Eli Price (01:22:57.484)
Right. Yeah, and there's the, there's that aspect to it's, it's so wide ranging. So there's that aspect to legacy, but there's also the, the aspect of grieving the legacy that was passed on to you, like Esteban, his mentor, who's played by Seymour Cassell in a bald cap, which that was funny to see him in the Making of documentary talking about like how much he hated wearing the bald cap.

When he was done, he was like, Can I get this thing off? But yeah, it's just a funny side note. But yeah, just that idea of like grieving when someone that has like passed this legacy on to you has like has moved on, has passed away. You know, at the beginning of the film, he's walking out of his premiere of his latest documentary shortly. You know, it's the part one of the Jaguar shark, you know, that where Esteban

Dies the jaguar shark, which we haven't really brought up a whole lot, you know kills Esteban in their expedition He loses the footage of it. He doesn't have the footage of it, which I think is Metaphorical in its own sense like he lost the footage of that It's almost like he doesn't know how to deal with it. It's kind of like the metaphor there

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:24:14.068)
Mm. Or he's like, he doesn't want to have to face that part. Yeah.

Eli Price (01:24:20.716)
Have to face it. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. And so, uh, you know, he's walking out of the premier and someone in the crowd of, you know, amidst the paparazzi says, you know, hey, hey, Steve, why aren't you, why are you at your premier and not sitting Shiva for Esteban or whatever? And, you know, sitting Shiva is just, you know, the Jewish idea of, you know, grieving for seven days when someone's passed on.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:24:40.863)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:24:47.22)
And you know, he fights this guy. He like gets in a in a tussle with this guy.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:24:47.618)
Well, because then he said, well, because right after that, he says, you know, when are you going to like, who's the next crew member you're going to kill or something like that? You know?

Eli Price (01:24:57.756)
Right, exactly. And so, yeah, so he's but he's at this point where like he's not he's not grieving. He's he's kind of ignoring it. And he does kind of like pass through like the stages of grief as you go. So you he he's he doesn't know how to deal with the grieving of the legacy that's been passed to him. But by the end of the film, like he.

It's almost like he is sitting Shiva because they're premiering part two of the Jaguar shark and where is where is Steve? He's not even in the premiere watching it. He's sitting outside Reflecting he's sitting on the steps outside the premiere reflecting and it's almost as if he's finally come to a place where he can actually like grieve You know the passing of his mentor that legacy that was passed to him, you know

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:25:36.908)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:25:54.884)
grieve the person that passed it to him. But then, what happens? Klaus's nephew walks out and he just hands him the Steve Zizou Society ring, this little kid that admired him that you see in the beginning. And it's like he's in a place where he can both at the same time grieve the person that passed the legacy onto him and also come to terms with like

where he is in life and be ready to pass a legacy on to someone else. And this kid, like he looks at the kid and says, oh, and the kid says, oh, you know, and then he walked he does he puts him on his shoulders as they're like leaving the premiere. And there's the whole like scene at the end of the movie. It's really like, you know, even me talking about it now, like reflecting on it, it's it actually like it's more powerful now for me, I think thinking about it in those terms than it was, I guess, watching it.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:26:24.587)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:26:34.819)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:26:52.974)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:26:55.072)
which I can appreciate, you know, that aspect of movie watching, of some things becoming more powerful after the effect. But I think that theme there is really, really powerful when you think about it.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:27:03.102)
Right. I think there's also an interesting aspect of like...

Like there's a component of bringing in someone new that you've decided is going to be your protege can like cause an issue with other people who might think because like the whole thing was like Klaus like I love that scene where he's like you know Bill Steve goes over and he's like well thanks for not picking me you know I'm always on B Squad he's like yeah but you're leading B Squad you know you know you know we always thought of you as our little brother he's like I always thought

Eli Price (01:27:20.346)
Mm-hmm.

sure. Like Klaus.

Eli Price (01:27:34.036)
Yeah. Right, right.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:27:39.39)
And so like you see Klaus is like a character who like so obviously wants to be the the protege, even though like he's, you know, physically speaking, not that much younger than than Zizou. But, you know, yeah, yeah, I don't I actually don't know how old each of the actors are. But, but, you know, obviously, Willem Dafoe is like, you know, a middle aged man as well, even when this was shot. And I love him in this movie so much, but

Eli Price (01:27:47.265)
Right.

Eli Price (01:27:54.176)
Yeah, maybe even older.

Eli Price (01:27:59.204)
I have no idea.

Eli Price (01:28:05.188)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:28:07.454)
But then you know so then you know and then obviously eventually you know he kind of he and he and Ned kind of have their Oh, and I also love like as they're leaving the ray There's that one scene where he tells him to hang back and he's like Klaus you're now a squad and he like He just takes that so personally in the best way and so there's a little bit of that aspect too of like trying to balance between like Bringing in someone new as a protege versus like also trying to still serve

Eli Price (01:28:09.817)
Yeah, he's so good.

Eli Price (01:28:26.)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:28:36.706)
the rest of the community that's around you as well.

Eli Price (01:28:42.704)
Mm-hmm. Yeah Yeah, absolutely and and I think it's like It's important to that. It's it's Klaus's nephew. That's the one that he's like passing the ring to and like putting on his shoulders You know because Klaus is Klaus is a bit, you know too far down the line But like Klaus is the one that introduces his nephew to him is like my nephew loves you So yeah, I think that's there. Yeah, let's um

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:28:50.647)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:29:04.194)
Mm-hmm. Right.

Eli Price (01:29:11.948)
Let's like let's wrap up thoughts on this with just talking about this Jaguar shark. You know, first of all, like we haven't mentioned it, but Henry Selig does the stop motion for all these creatures, which all these creatures are. They're this, you know, when Wes talks about it, he's like, yeah, we weren't like trying to make creatures that were like obviously fake, which they are obviously fake. But he said the idea.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:29:20.91)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:29:36.016)
Right.

Eli Price (01:29:41.568)
Wasn't it's it's kind of a very different idea from something like Jurassic Park or something like Like the Avatar movies where you're trying to make these creatures look like real-life creatures he was just going for an effect of like I Wanted them to look imaginary Which they do and I think it's it's almost a sense of like, you know when when Steve encounters these animals or these creatures

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:29:43.074)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:29:49.696)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:29:56.515)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:30:08.558)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Eli Price (01:30:09.868)
Like it's like viewing them through his eyes, through his like the way he sees the world, almost this imaginary, beautiful, interesting, unique place. And, you know, that's similar to like how Wes sees the world. But yeah, so, you know, you have these Henry Selick stop motion animated creatures through the movie and Henry Selick even said that he's he's pretty sure that that Jaguar shark is

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:30:15.214)
I'm right.

Eli Price (01:30:38.788)
the largest ever stop motion puppet. So, and it is big, it was pretty big. Yeah, I was wondering, I was wondering if it's since then.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:30:42.626)
Maybe at the time, I don't know. I know that, well, cause I know that, oh gosh, the people that like, like Coraline, Kubo and the Two Strings, like they've made some really big puppets for some of that stuff too, so.

Eli Price (01:30:57.188)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:31:01.388)
Yeah, yeah, but that was um, yeah that was after that was about five years later core line so Yeah Yeah, but the the jackwire sharp was big is definitely bigger than a person when I was watching it in the documentary In the making of but yeah, so, you know, obviously this is something that that Steve is going to confront You know, you get this kind of revenge

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:31:03.214)
Right, right. So as I was saying, maybe at the time it might have been, but I'm not sure about now.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:31:14.316)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:31:29.32)
narrative of like I'm going to confront this thing that killed my mentor. And so obviously when you have something like that, you're like, okay, well what does what does the Jaguar shark represent? What's the metaphor here? You know, and it's funny in that Italian talk show interview, the host kind of brings that up and Noah Baumbach says, you know, sometimes it's enough just to have a metaphor.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:31:38.435)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:31:52.692)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:31:55.372)
You know, like kind of skirting the question. But and then Wes is like, you know, we kind of see it as like a search for a metaphor. You know, it's they're very like. Again, they were being very like funny and to me in that interview. But then in the interview in the West Anderson collection book, I wrote down this quote word for word that I'll read. Wes says, I remember at a certain point while Noah and I were working on it.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:32:07.522)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:32:23.384)
We had to ask, well, does it exist, this Jaguar shark? And we decided, I guess it does. And then at the end, they go down into the ocean and they see it. We thought it should arrive and that it was going to stand for everything. Yeah, and that really stood out to me because I was like, oh man, like it is this search for a metaphor. Like it is this search for like.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:32:49.87)
That's Ahab and Moby Dick, you know?

Eli Price (01:32:52.268)
What is this thing that I'm trying to face? Yeah, yeah. And they talk about that, how it's almost like a comic Moby Dick. But at the end, instead of fighting the beast, like the name's slipping my mind, the.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:33:10.034)
Was a hab captain a ham. Yeah

Eli Price (01:33:11.052)
character in Moby Dick. Oh well. Ahab, that's what Captain Ahab, instead of fighting the beast like Captain Ahab does, he looks at it like in the face, he stares at it and then like kind of comes to the realization that like it was nothing personal. You know, and you know, Matt Zoller Seitz who is a friend of Wes and wrote the Wes Anderson collection book. In the interview that's in there.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:33:27.094)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Just an animal being an animal.

Eli Price (01:33:39.608)
he brings up the alcoholics anonymous thing of, God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference. And Wes kind of responds to that and says, he's working towards getting to the last part, especially. Yeah, and I thought that was really cool to think about, like how this Jaguar shark really does represent, like, everything all these characters are facing. And that's why, like,

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:33:48.052)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:34:07.82)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:34:08.676)
They pack into this submarine. They've been on this journey. It is that sense of like, for one, like there's a sense of like, okay, this is like a meta kind of filmmaking thing going on. You have this crew that you've been working on to make this thing happen, and you're going to face the end and see, does it really exist the way we envisioned it was going to exist? So you have that aspect going on. You also have this aspect of just like community,

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:34:27.99)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:34:38.136)
We're in this together. You know, they put their hands on Steve as he's like asking the question, like, does it remember me? I wonder if it remembers me. Like this grieving aspect of like grieving with a community, facing things in life with community. So there's like the filmmaking aspect, the like actual real life community aspect. And then there's just like, well, what is this thing that they're facing? The Jaguar shark. I wrote down like,

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:34:41.418)
Well, yeah, it's just really, yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:35:07.606)
Well, I just think it is really beautiful that he has his community around him. And it's almost like a moment where he gets a win. You know what I mean? He gets to be right. Because honestly, I feel like if they never showed the Jaguar shark, I think there would have been more of a ambiguous, oh, did the mentor actually get it?

Eli Price (01:35:08.056)
just a list of all the things I thought it could represent. I don't know if you had any thoughts on it.

Eli Price (01:35:16.983)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:35:26.508)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:35:32.173)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:35:35.918)
killed by an animal or did Steve actually kill the mentor or did something else happen? You know, because in retrospect, that line from the one paparazzi guy at the beginning of the movie does feel a little out of place, being that there actually is a jaguar shark. So I wonder if that was something added to the story late and originally the plan was to have it a little more ambiguous. But I think the jaguar shark just

Eli Price (01:35:56.121)
Right.

Eli Price (01:36:02.702)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:36:04.118)
I mean, in a lot of ways, maybe just represents like inevitability, you know, it would be the inevitability of death, the inevitability of not being able to continue doing even things that you love because you just get to a point where you can't do it anymore. You know, that's what I mean. And, but in a lot of ways, I think it just, you know, it maybe represents Steve's, his

Eli Price (01:36:11.16)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:36:31.926)
his sense of wonder, you know, it's like another creature that like, yes, it did do this thing of like killing his mentor, but also to this very beautiful creature. And he gets to kind of have a moment where he just sits back and he just kind of appreciates it. You know, it kind of reminds me of like, the snow leopard scene in like, a Secret Life Walter Mitty where where Sean Penn's character says, you know, sometimes I don't take the photo. I just want to sit here and enjoy it.

Eli Price (01:36:40.452)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:36:49.039)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:36:55.856)
Sure.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:37:01.95)
You know, and I think it also, it's a very much reminds me of like a Steve Irwin kind of moment. You know, like, you know, if any animal ever bit him, he'd always be like, oh, you know, he didn't mean it. You know, he's just being him or, and I feel like if he had survived the stingray incident, you know, RIP Steve Irwin, that he probably would have had nothing against

Eli Price (01:37:02.)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Eli Price (01:37:12.557)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:37:20.865)
Yeah, right.

Eli Price (01:37:27.276)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:37:31.882)
you know, the stingray or stingrays in general, you know, it's because, cause he also had that kind of perspective of like, it was nothing personal. It's just an animal and it doesn't know any better, you know? Um, and I think that, you know, when it comes to people, like there is an aspect of that sometimes, but also it's like, you know, hopefully, you know, we're not just animals, we can be a bit better than them sometimes.

Eli Price (01:37:45.284)
Yeah. Yeah.

Eli Price (01:37:55.752)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:37:59.97)
But at the same time, it's like sometimes you have to remind yourself that it's like, you know, maybe it wasn't personal, maybe that's just who they are. And I kind of just have to be able to accept that.

Eli Price (01:38:03.104)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:38:09.556)
Yeah. Or maybe, you know, yeah, or maybe like, you know, obviously in this case, it's a, it's a beast. It's a, it's a shark like that just acts because it that's what animals do. Um, like a shark, but, um, but, you know, maybe it's, it was nothing personal, but like also maybe they had something going on too. And I, you know, I think you see that in, in Steve's interactions with these people throughout the movie too, like.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:38:17.408)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:38:30.094)
Hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:38:35.025)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:38:40.096)
You know the other characters like They they treat each other in certain ways and they they you know at the end they it's funny there, you know a lot of his movies end with this kind of like Reconciliation finding the characters instead of the other ways around like they end up reconciling just by you know the inevitability of them being together or like

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:39:06.368)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:39:08.032)
in proximity, you know. And I think there's that aspect because like not long before they go down in this sub together, like they're all like out of whack, but, but they go down together. Um, and there's this, you know, this aspect of like finding reconciliation around this thing that you're facing. Um, and yeah, like, and you know, knowing that like, they all have these different things going on.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:39:14.85)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:39:38.1)
And this Jaguar sharp almost represents all of those things for all of them. And they're facing all of their individual problems together. Um, and there's this, you know, common theme in his movies of acceptance, like I was saying earlier, they are, they're accepting like who they are, where they are in life. They're accepting each other for who they are.

And so, yeah, I mean, you know, the Jaguar shark, it represents death and its inevitability. It represents like how life happens and you can't control everything, you know, like Steve wants to. It represents that beauty.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:40:03.619)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:40:10.828)
Right.

Eli Price (01:40:21.376)
You know, it's it's not it's a beast, but it's also like beautiful in its own, like kind of magical imaginary way. It represents, you know, the overwhelming feeling of expecting a baby. You know, what am I going to do when this baby comes into the world? It represents, you know, past traumas that these people have experienced. It represents, you know, just the contrast.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:40:22.838)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:40:49.936)
of what a beast of an animal is with like the personality, the personal nature of humanity. Like I think there's that contrast there of like, yeah, he sees it and he's like, it's nothing personal, but we are personal. Like we're in this boat together. There's that contrast there. And so like, yeah, we do need to reconcile. Like you can't reconcile with a shark, but yeah, we do need to reconcile here in this sub together, which brings you to like,

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:41:13.442)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:41:20.912)
Your need for others like it represents like, you know, the thing that the chaos that ensues after it kills Esteban like culminates in, you know, this representation of like your need for others wherever you are in life, whether you're on top or at the bottom, you know, even you even see Hennessy Hennessy's in the boat. Jeff Goldblum's character like he doesn't have like. He you know, he doesn't have the same.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:41:34.412)
Right.

Eli Price (01:41:48.768)
issues as all these he's pretty successful, but he still needs others. Like even though he's kind of like at the top, you know, he has his own issues. Obviously, he's a prick in his own right. But but they all need each other, right?

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:41:51.822)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:41:55.734)
Well, and honestly, yeah, on that, on Hennessey, firstly, you gotta love Jeff Goldblum. I just, I really liked that one little moment where towards the end, and he kind of, he's like, hey, I need to talk to your ex-wife. And then Hennessey like pulls him aside. He's like, we never made great husbands, did we? And it's almost like, it's cause like, right. Cause like they start the movie like, hate each other's guts, basically.

Eli Price (01:42:20.096)
Yeah, yeah, it's that connection.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:42:23.07)
You know, Steve like steals literally goes to steal his equipment from the guy. And he's like, this guy's always overshadowing me. He's always taking all the funding that I'm trying to go after. Uh, I mean, he literally charges. He's like, uh, before we go any further, you just sign this invoice, which is for the cost of the rescue of my time and that of my crew. He's like, this is more than my entire budget. But, uh, but, but like just that it's, it's almost like, because they've kind of gone through that, that rescue raid together.

Eli Price (01:42:26.19)
Oh yeah.

Eli Price (01:42:33.648)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:42:42.124)
Yeah. Yeah.

Eli Price (01:42:48.076)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:42:50.718)
and everything, like just for him to like take that step and try and like form a little bit of genuine connection with Zizou is like, it was a, it's a really sweet moment.

Eli Price (01:43:03.008)
Yeah, yeah, and I think like the last thing I'll say about the Jaguar shark for is just the the idea of him facing that facing that thing and not not treating it the way like that a have treats Moby Dick in the sense of like and and I think it what it what that means is just It goes back to the

You know, he's a filmmaker, he's an artist. In a sense, like, I mean, not even in a sense, he is like he he creates these films, he's an artist. And just that idea that at the end of the day, like as an artist, you're just, you're more interested in preserving things than conquering them or destroying them.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:43:39.839)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:43:53.553)
Mm.

Eli Price (01:43:58.592)
And so at the end of the day, he faces this thing that the whole time he thinks, I'm going to kill this thing. But when he faces it, like deep down, he can't change who he is. He's an artist. Like I can't kill this thing. I can't conquer this thing. Like I'm going to preserve it. Not just like by letting it live, but by like capturing what it is on film. Like Vikram, Vikram is in there. Like he said, did you get the shot? Yeah, I got it. You know.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:44:15.574)
Well also... Yeah.

Well, on that specifically, you also have to think it's almost like the first time Zisu has to face the shark. Essentially, he has to face it alone, right? Even though Estaban was there, Estaban's killed. And then when he faces the shark the second time, he's surrounded by his community. In some ways, you can think of it, it's almost like Wes Anderson has to walk through a difficult situation in life. And then he has to face it by himself the first time.

Eli Price (01:44:34.404)
Mm-hmm. Right.

Eli Price (01:44:42.305)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:44:49.45)
metaphorically speaking. And then if he uses that as inspiration for something in his film, he gets to face that same scenario a second time surrounded by a community of fellow artists. So I think that's a really elegant way to kind of tie it all together.

Eli Price (01:44:54.415)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:45:16.304)
Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's Yeah, that's all I have for this one. I Mean I say that we could probably talk for forever about this because there's just so much going on here That's really fun. And and you know, we didn't really talk about a lot about like how just Funny this movie is like I laughed out loud a lot. There's a lot of funny stuff going on but

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:45:37.662)
Yeah, if you're people, people love dry witty humor. This is definitely this is definitely one of those those movies. It kind of reminds me of like like one of my favorite comedies of all time is Clue. The movie from like 1985, I think just because like that movie, it's like. Every five seconds, somebody is like in like this in like all the comedies, very verbal and it's very quick. And this is the same the same kind of thing here where like there's so many.

Eli Price (01:45:45.013)
Oh yeah.

Eli Price (01:45:54.145)
Okay.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:46:06.41)
little moments, little jokes that just go by so quick. And like literally like someone will like say something, there's like a scene where he's talking to Eleanor and he's like, you know I've never been big on apologies. So is it okay if I just skip it? And she goes, okay. And he literally goes, but anyway, yeah, I'm sorry. And he starts apologizing to her right after he just said, you know I'm not big on apologies, can I just skip it?

Eli Price (01:46:11.768)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:46:25.528)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:46:32.788)
Yeah, it's so funny. I'm going to skip the apology. But anyways, I'm sorry. Yeah. Yeah, it's great. Yeah. So what, you know, we I rate films and, and, you know, rank them and all that sort of stuff, even though it's kind of like a useless thing at the end of the day because of how subjective art is.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:46:35.178)
You know, and there's just tons of little moments like that. Yeah, yeah, it's good.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:46:58.497)
Right.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:47:01.79)
I do too. I, well, I first want to say I do as well. And it's nice that I feel like I have like a little group of people that like look forward to my ratings on things. But I also want to give you a shout out because I, I'm fairly sure that you using letterbox more regularly inspired me to get more involved with letterbox. So I had an account for a while and I would put stuff on there every now and then, but, but I really feel like it's been within the last

Eli Price (01:47:01.976)
but I like to share my ratings and my rankings, and so, like, what would you rate this?

Eli Price (01:47:14.946)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:47:26.284)
Yeah, yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:47:29.994)
six months to a year or so that I've really gotten into like everything that I watch. I'm giving it a rating, you know, I might give it some kind of little review even if sometimes it's just like a little joke that I want to make about it or something, you know, which there's tons of, there's so many things on letterbox where like people are like just make like a one-sentence joke about the movie but, so we do, right, right, no for sure. So what do you do like a scale of like like five stars or like add 10?

Eli Price (01:47:38.278)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:47:45.396)
Yeah, sure. It's something though.

Eli Price (01:47:52.812)
Yeah. But it preserves a memory too when you do that.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:48:01.474)
We're talking about Letterboxx, we'll do Stars. It's a five-star rating. I'd give this a solid three. I feel like it's, you know, I feel like maybe if I watched it again, you know, it's one of those movies I feel like I'd probably like a little bit more every time I watch it. But I definitely feel like I've seen other Wes Anderson movies that I enjoy a lot more. You know, so yeah, I'd give it a solid three. I think it's a...

Eli Price (01:48:02.203)
You can do five stars or out of 10, whatever you wanna do.

Sounds good.

Eli Price (01:48:11.843)
Okay.

Eli Price (01:48:21.997)
Yeah, yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:48:29.39)
It's a good watch, it's a fun time, a lot of really great performances, but I think Wes Anderson as a filmmaker has done stuff that's better and definitely more entertaining to watch, for sure.

Eli Price (01:48:43.18)
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, for sure. And I agree. I think this is up up there for me as far as his movies go, just because I think for one, like, I really, really appreciate his his art form. And I think this is like one of the most like personal and just like crafted to, you know, I think part of it is just having such a big budget is like he was able to do it so much like he wanted to.

So I just really appreciate this one it's so I think for me like Royal Tenenbaums was one On last episode I talked about it kind of moved up a little bit for me I had it at a four and a half and I moved it up to a five just because it affected me emotionally so So heavily this on this watch through and I think that is part of just watching his movies over again You know, you kind of are able to like get through some of the weeds

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:49:40.014)
Also think depending on what season in life you might you might get different out of two

Eli Price (01:49:42.432)
And really get to the core of it. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's part of it, too. You know, I have kids now, so I just for some reason, when you have kids, you just cry even more like I already cried in movies. And then like I had kids and now I cry like all the time in movies. I don't know what I don't know what the deal is with that. But you know, maybe you'll have that one day to look forward to. But yeah, you know, it's.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:49:51.643)
I'm sure.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:50:03.726)
We'll see.

Eli Price (01:50:10.412)
So this for me is a four and a half. It didn't move up on this watch for me, like Royal Tenenbaum does. And I think because like, one of the things that I do when I, rating is so subjective. It means nothing at the end of the day. Like, so like I'm talking with you, I'm thinking like, oh, he's gonna give it at least like four stars and then you give it three. And it's just like, we all have our ways that we, we do ratings. And part of the things, part of the way that I rate is just like,

how it makes me feel like watching it. Just it has a huge part to play for me. And so like this one would be a five star for me if it wasn't for the fact that like, I just feel like some of the way it's made just makes it harder to like feel the emotion in the moment. And like real tenenbaums at the end, like I like.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:50:57.719)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:51:06.292)
it broke me with one of the lines. You haven't seen it, right? Yeah, so you'll know the line that I'm talking about when you eventually watch it. There's a line that Ben Stiller delivers that just breaks me, or it did this time. And so there's just, I felt the emotion of the submarine Jaguar shark encounter scene.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:51:07.83)
I have not actually, I knew you were on to it.

Eli Price (01:51:33.036)
Um, but it just didn't affect me to the same level. So like, I just can't bump it up that high, but yeah, this is a four and a half. Star for me. And I'm probably, I probably am like too optimistic sometimes when I rate movies also like.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:51:44.906)
I feel like by the end of this, every Wes Anderson movie is going to be like a four and a half to five for you.

Eli Price (01:51:52.952)
That's that's part of it is like I'm doing so much research and like I just already loved what Wes Anderson as a director and this is making me like love it so much more. But but yeah so I have it I think I have it ranked as of now watching back through these again. I think I have it ranked at five.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:51:54.164)
Right.

Eli Price (01:52:14.34)
four or five, it's kind of in that range for me. That kind of like up, yeah, out of the 10 he has so far, like that upper middle kind of range for me. So yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:52:15.129)
Like out of all his films.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:52:22.982)
Yeah, I'd say that's fair considering that, you know, most of them, at least half of them I haven't seen. So I feel like it'd probably be probably about that same spot to be honest.

Eli Price (01:52:32.448)
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so yeah, next. Yeah, next week we're going to be covering. The Darjeeling limited, so everyone has that to look forward to for next week. But for now, we're going to take a quick break. And when we come back, we're going to do our movie news and movie draft segments. And so that's going to be a fun time. So we will see you in a few minutes.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:52:57.621)
Woo!

Eli Price (01:53:04.88)
sweet.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:53:05.23)
I didn't ramble too much for you there, did I?

Okay.

Eli Price (01:53:11.132)
No, it's good. It's good stuff. I would rather like ramble more than like have to pull something out of my guest. So.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:53:16.214)
No, I totally get that man. That's like my thing. Like anytime I have to do a video for church, it can be rough. It can be rough. That's like, you know, you got to think of yourself as like the director of the podcast. That's like the hardest thing to do as a director is like pull the performance out of people that don't really know what to do. I mean, I can riff and ramble all day.

Eli Price (01:53:28.538)
Yes.

Eli Price (01:53:41.332)
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, I will. We'll hit the movie news will probably be pretty quick this time. I don't I don't have a lot to say about this, just like basically like that. I'm excited. And, you know, it's fun to talk about like the different Spider-Man adaptations and how they work. But yeah, we'll we'll move we'll move through that.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:53:49.855)
Ugh.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:53:54.754)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:54:01.944)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:54:10.448)
pretty quickly, I think, and then do the movie draft. And I think what we'll do is we'll do five. So I've been doing seven the past couple, but I think this one is like, I think five is solid. I don't wanna run too thin on this one. So yeah, so yeah, do you need a break or anything? You need to go. All right, cool. All right.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:54:18.798)
I think five is a solid number. Yeah.

Right.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:54:33.462)
Nah man, I'm good. I'm good. Let's knock it out.

Eli Price (01:54:39.832)
Yeah, let's go ahead and knock it out. I think my I think my throat is finally like cleared up from all the coughing, but I've had like my whole family has like a slight cold right now. Yeah, it's not bad. It's just kind of annoying more than anything.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:54:50.177)
Oh gosh.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:54:55.094)
I feel like everybody that I know that has like kids under five, there's always something going around.

Eli Price (01:55:04.148)
Yeah, so yeah, we got four year old and four month old right now. So all right. Well, if you're ready, we can jump back in.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:55:05.297)
Right, right.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:55:11.075)
Let's do it.

Eli Price (01:55:20.196)
I'll just kind of, I'll basically just jump back in because I had all the other stuff in post-production.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:55:24.102)
Right, until you give yourself a little transfer. Yeah.

Eli Price (01:55:38.188)
Hey everyone, welcome back to the show. Thank you for sticking around with me and JP. Had a lot of fun in the first segment talking really in depth about the life aquatic with Steve Zisoo. But yeah, we're going to jump into our movie news segment. So yeah, I still don't have, I think, an episode or two, I was like, man, I really need to end.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:55:55.07)
my favorite kind of news.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:56:04.61)
Ha ha ha. Movie news. There you go.

Eli Price (01:56:06.084)
get a little news drop in the sound board, like kind of like a dee dee dee dee dee dee dee. Yeah, there we go. I might cut that out and use it. Who knows? Who knows if I find the time? But yeah, so for movie news, when this episode releases that week, this that same weekend will be the release weekend for Spider-Man across the Spider-Verse. So I figured we kind of talk about that.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:56:13.681)
Feel free.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:56:30.734)
Part one, right? I think it's part one of two. I think they're gonna do it. It's a two-parter.

Eli Price (01:56:36.024)
Huh? Part one? So it's not, it's a, so I know the third one that they have on the slate has a different name. I think it's like beyond the Spider-Verse or something like that. So there's.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:56:44.938)
Okay, I guess previously this was market, I heard it was like a part one and like the third film is going to be a follow, a direct follow up to this. Yeah.

Eli Price (01:56:54.148)
Gotcha. Part two. Yeah, yeah. And I mean, I'm sure it will be like because into the spider verse leads into this, which is across the spider verse. And then I guess after that, you have to go beyond the spider verse. But yeah, that's what that's what it says in letterbox. And anyways, like if you scroll to the bottom of like, you know, the where it shows you like sequels or whatever it has beyond the spider verse. But yeah, but maybe it wasn't originally marketed that way.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:56:59.107)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:57:05.87)
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That sounds dope. Yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:57:13.933)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:57:23.024)
But yeah, so that's coming out this same weekend that this is releasing. So I figured we kind of talk about like, are we excited for that? And then just like, Spider-Man adaptations in general, like what, you know, how has that been for you? And you know, what do you see moving forward with Spider-Man?

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:57:36.466)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:57:40.43)
Man, you know, it's... I would say I am excited for it. It does look cool, but I will be honest with you, I have still not got around to seeing Into the Spider-Verse, like the first film. Just one of those things where it's like, it kinda came out and I never had a chance to see it and I'm sure it's on like Disney Plus or something now and I just haven't gotten around to it, you know? Cause I'm not like the craziest Spider-Man fan, you know? So it's like...

Eli Price (01:57:49.656)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:57:55.94)
Gotcha, yeah.

Eli Price (01:58:02.233)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:58:06.848)
Yeah, well, I'll say this.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:58:10.258)
I know some people that are like their favorite superhero. They have to watch anything to do with Spider-Man. He's cool. There's other ones that I like way more. So, you know, it wasn't like... I mean, you gotta love Batman. Yeah, love Batman. See, you got the Justice League back there. I love Marshall Mannhauer, he's pretty dope. The Marvel side, really love Daredevil and The Punisher, actually, I really like as well.

Eli Price (01:58:11.35)
Okay.

Eli Price (01:58:16.592)
Sure.

Eli Price (01:58:23.684)
Sure. What's an example? Who's your guy? Or girl. Sure. Batman.

Eli Price (01:58:34.676)
Yes. Yeah.

Eli Price (01:58:41.96)
Okay, yeah. So, like, on the moral side, the violent are the better, basically.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:58:45.142)
Kind of I mean I well and honestly honestly like like I have really fond memories of like the the Punisher film with Thomas Jane From like 2005. I still think it's actually a pretty good movie the dare the daredevil series and Netflix that specifically though made me fall in love with that character like I love to do like maybe maybe whenever I get my show started. I'll have you on we could do like a deep dive into that series specifically and like especially a lot of like the

Eli Price (01:58:56.628)
Yeah, yeah. Uh-huh.

Yeah.

Eli Price (01:59:05.667)
Okay, yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:59:13.774)
the like religious undertones like it's so good so good but anyway Spider-man yeah Yeah, it looks really cool. I love the art style. I also love that It's pushed like the animation medium to where you have more movies coming out that are like Going for more of a unique feel

Eli Price (01:59:20.256)
Yeah, yeah. But yeah, Spider-Man.

Eli Price (01:59:33.384)
Yes.

Eli Price (01:59:38.864)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, I saw a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles preview that looked like it was yeah It looked like it was a similar animation style

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (01:59:40.138)
That one looks so cool. It looks so awesome. Yeah, I really love this new animation style of like, it's kind of stop motion ish inspired. But also like the but also I liked about the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles one is that it has like a like a every like a hand painted feel to it to the art style.

Eli Price (01:59:54.701)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:00:04.096)
Yeah. Yeah, so do you know the story behind the animation for the first Into the Spider-Verse, like the first one?

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:00:07.698)
I do know about the fact that Miles' frame rate progresses throughout the film. I've heard about that. Yeah, so like when he first starts out and he's like very, he's like a novice, the film's like 24 frames a second and I think they actually animated him at like 12 frames a second. So when he first starts out being Spider-Man, he's a little...

Eli Price (02:00:19.016)
Okay, yeah, I didn't even know that. But, uh...

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:00:37.238)
He's a little choppier. And then as the film progresses and he like comes under the tutelage of like Peter Parker, he starts like literally and metaphorically smoothing out, you know, but no.

Eli Price (02:00:37.84)
Okay, this is kind of like choppy.

Eli Price (02:00:52.556)
Yeah, yeah, that's cool. I didn't even know that but yeah when you said that now that you say that though I can just from memory I can see that But yeah, so they actually they started animating this You know basically like animation studios they Yeah, they kind of there's like a few big animation studios And they kind of have this like template that they start with as far as like you know obviously you're doing a lot of like coding

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:01:05.518)
like a Pixar ripoff.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:01:20.942)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (02:01:21.976)
when you're making animation software. And so they started making this movie. I don't know how far they got into it before they were like, this is not how we want it to look. We can't get it to look like we want it to look with these resources we have available, these animation software templates we have to use. And so they basically started from scratch as far as that goes. So like,

Yeah, so they were like, if we're going to get this movie to look the way we want it to, we've got to start completely from scratch. And so they made a whole new like, I'm probably not even using the correct terms, like for but the way that it makes sense for me is like an animation template. Yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:02:01.662)
Yeah, I think it's a fair term or you're probably getting a little more into like that the algorithmic kind of stuff You know, but it's all ones and zeros at the end of the day

Eli Price (02:02:11.272)
Yeah, yeah. But yeah, so they they created their own thing to make it have that comic book feel because it does it. You can even see like the little comic book dots like in the characters faces and stuff. It's really cool. And it even moved the way it moves like feels like you're going frame to frame in a comic book, which is really cool.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:02:18.931)
Yeah, yeah, it is cool.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:02:26.006)
Mm-hmm.

which is one of those things, like only animation can do that, you know? And then you've seen movies like the Mitchells versus the Machines, you've seen like The Bad Guys, another like DreamWorks film, even the most recent Puss in Boots, The Last Wish, which I've heard is like fantastic. I can't tell you how many people I've seen the reviews are like, this movie has no right to be as good as it is.

Eli Price (02:02:34.858)
Yes.

Eli Price (02:02:43.152)
Uh huh, yeah.

Eli Price (02:02:54.083)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:02:57.238)
But all these, it's just really cool to see more animations studios embracing, pushing the medium instead of just making something very Pixar or Disney animation-esque. Which those films, I mean, WALL-E is a beautiful movie, but it's like they were the big dogs and everyone kind of tries to copy that style. It's just nice to see people branching out.

Eli Price (02:03:12.42)
Right. Yeah, nothing against those, but.

Eli Price (02:03:20.588)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:03:26.878)
You know, I'm sure Disney eventually will try and venture. Well, technically, I guess this would be a Disney movie because it's owned by Fox owns them. So or Sony. Oh, yeah, never mind. Sorry. Right. Right. Right.

Eli Price (02:03:27.492)
Alright.

Yeah, yeah it is.

Eli Price (02:03:37.644)
Yeah, well, it's a yeah, it is. It's a it's the Sony. It's the Sony branch of Spider-Man. But I think so. Yeah, I don't know that Disney sees anything from this. It is very complicated. But yeah, so like Disney has some sort of rights to Spider-Man. But I think when Sony makes a Spider-Man movie, it seems like they're the official owners. So I would think Disney doesn't really have anything to do with it.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:03:45.459)
It's complicated.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:04:03.015)
I was thinking of 20th Century Fox is what I was thinking of.

Eli Price (02:04:06.468)
But I could be wrong. Yeah. Yeah, but Disney might own all of it. Who knows? But yeah, so, yeah. So if it's any encouragement to see the first one, I think it's the best Spider-Man movie. That might be a hot take. I don't know. I have no idea. But I think it's the best Spider-Man movie ever.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:04:09.739)
I'm sure they will someday.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:04:19.79)
I'm sure.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:04:24.226)
I mean, I know a lot of people say, I've heard a lot of people say that, and they've also said it's one of the best animated movies ever made. I get, I, nothing, I mean, I've wanted to see it. I just haven't had a chance to get around to it. But if you're asking me, yeah, well, if you're asking me my favorite adaptation, I mean, I grew up with Tony McGuire, man. I gotta stand by my boy. I love the Sam Raimi films, specifically Spider-Man 2, one of the greats.

Eli Price (02:04:38.08)
Yeah. Yeah, well maybe this'll be your chance. Catch up with it and see the new one.

Eli Price (02:04:48.004)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:04:52.007)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:04:52.846)
I really enjoyed No Way Home. I saw that. I still haven't seen Homecoming, but I did see Far From Home in theaters when that came out with my friends. All my friends over here in New Orleans are a bunch of MCU freaks. Every Marvel movie that comes out, some of the DC movies too, we go and see them together, but comic book stuff. I really enjoyed No Way Home. I think...

Eli Price (02:04:55.372)
I agree.

Eli Price (02:05:08.023)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:05:18.366)
I think at the time I was like, this is like a nine out of 10. It's amazing. All the crowd moments were great, especially seeing Willem Dafoe back as Goblin. He was brutal in that movie. That fight scene they have right before, right after he kills Aunt May, where he picks up Spider-Man and power bombs him through the floor. Oh gosh. The sound design during that scene. Right.

Eli Price (02:05:26.359)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (02:05:34.251)
Yes.

Eli Price (02:05:44.484)
Yeah. He is the perfect villain. Defoe plays that so well.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:05:46.69)
The sound design during that scene was just brutal. You just felt those hits. So shout out to the Foley team on that movie. But I think the nostalgia factor has kind of been removed. And so I don't know if I like it as much. I want to go back, because again, not being a super fire Spider-Man fanatic.

Eli Price (02:05:55.865)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (02:06:04.857)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:06:08.544)
It's solid. It's solid.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:06:12.562)
I do want to go back. I still haven't gotten around to watching the amazing Spider-Man films either, because I do think that the best part of knowing home was seeing Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man. He just is great as that character. I think I've really gotten into him because of some of the other movies he's done. My friends who are really into Spider-Man and Marvel.

Eli Price (02:06:29.516)
I love Andrew Garfield. Yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:06:39.53)
a lot more than me, I'll say that he is the best. Like Peter Parker slash Spider-Man. That's their opinion. And I'm like, yeah, I mean, get it. I think he nails the smart guy antics of Peter Parker. He nails the sarcasm of Spider-Man. I've seen some bits and pieces.

Eli Price (02:06:49.38)
Okay.

Eli Price (02:06:58.277)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (02:07:02.112)
Yeah, my thing with Andrew Garfield is he's not quite nerdy enough. Like he's he's kind of got that he's kind of got that like subtle, like handsome guy look that kind of is like, man, he needs to nerd it up a little bit more for me to believe he's Spider-Man.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:07:03.839)
You know, they...

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:07:11.348)
Yeah.

Yeah, I get that. I get that. But I've also seen people defending the fact that like, in some of like the early comics, like, like he was never like, like Peter Parker in the comics, it wasn't necessarily like unpopular. Like, yeah, he was nerdy, but he wasn't like, a social outcast, like I think like Tony McGuire, obviously, his portrayal was like much. I do think he nails the nerdy is a lot the nerdy is a lot better. But, but I do think that based on some of the stuff I've seen from

Eli Price (02:07:30.692)
Be assured.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:07:44.658)
Andrew Garfield's like quipping this is Spider-Man. I think he nails that aspect of it a lot better. I think so. I think most people would say Toby might be a better Peter, but Andrew Garfield's a better Spider-Man. And then think people think Tom Holland's a good combination of the two. I don't know. It's hard for me to really pick a favorite, but I just gotta say I grew up with Toby, so I gotta stand by Toby.

Eli Price (02:07:52.302)
Yeah, sure.

Eli Price (02:07:59.258)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:08:03.716)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:08:09.664)
Yeah, I feel the same way, you know. Spider-Man, Spider-Man and Spider-Man two are just like, so they're so good. I think Spider-Man two is actually like. The best of I think it would be after into the Spiderverse. I think that would be my next favorite. And I feel like if you ask, like a hundred people, you probably get 50. That said Spider-Man and 50 that said Spider-Man two, if it was the choice between those two.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:08:37.902)
They're both just super solid.

Eli Price (02:08:39.648)
Um, but yeah, it's those are just so, yeah, they're so good stance that Sam Ramey style, like the, the, the voice, like an elements that he brings to it. I think it was just so good. Um, and they make it interesting, not just like, you know, the Marvel, the Marvel movies have like this template or this kind of like, I don't know.

I don't know, there's a stillness to it that, I think the only reason I really actually enjoyed No Way Home was because it brought back, it brought back people from the other series. And it's like, so I'll say this, like I like, what I liked about the ending of it was just like, you know, and spoiler alerts, but it's been out long enough, you know, you should have seen it.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:09:17.924)
No, I think...

Eli Price (02:09:36.224)
Um, just the fact that like nobody knows him anymore and he can actually be Spider-Man again, where like, where I think like the, the reason I hated homecoming and even like far from home is it made him too much of like this MCU character. And so he wasn't really Spider-Man because like Spider-Man is your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man. Like he's, he, he's just like, he's a normal dude.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:09:41.207)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:09:54.829)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:09:58.163)
Right, yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:10:04.142)
We just so happens to be able to climb up a wall and shoot webs.

Eli Price (02:10:06.2)
He's not anything super important and he's yeah. And yeah. And he's just trying to figure out, OK, what do what does it mean for me as this kid to have these powers? What, you know, is this responsibility thing? What are my and so that you didn't get that with homecoming and far from home because he's just thrust into this NCU world. He has this like surrogate Tony Stark father figure, which I hated. And then so finally, like.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:10:15.61)
Yeah. What?

Yeah. Yeah.

Eli Price (02:10:35.604)
And this one, like at the end, you get the sense of like, Oh, like maybe in the future, we'll actually get to experience Spider-Man, how you're supposed to be introduced to him. So.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:10:37.887)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:10:42.398)
Yeah, well, and I did really like Jake Gyllenhaal as Mysterio in Far From Home. But yeah, I think that's the big thing with No Way Home is, and I told my friends and they laughed at me. They thought it was so silly that I was saying this, but I'm like, this movie is about him becoming Spider-Man, not Iron Boy, you know, as some people would call him.

Eli Price (02:10:53.868)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:11:07.038)
I think in hindsight, again, I haven't really seen the movie since probably I went and saw it in the theater, but I very strongly remember it. I think the second half of the movie after Outmay dies is much stronger than the first kind of like MacGuffin with the portal and stuff. I think in hindsight, there's also a lot of holes you can kind of poke in the whole setup. But to have...

Eli Price (02:11:08.565)
Yeah, yeah, right, yeah.

Eli Price (02:11:16.845)
Yeah, I haven't either.

Eli Price (02:11:27.137)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:11:34.206)
Alfa Melina back as Doc Ock is phenomenal. Davil Mdofoe back was great. And I think the whole sequence where Antme dies and there's a shot of him like on the roof, like crying in the rain, like it's like really beautiful. And it's like really, it's like, it was nice to have that kind of emotional moment. I do agree though, like the MCU can be very formulaic and it's interesting how like, when you look back at it,

you look at the films that broke the mold, and then every other movie that followed up had to be that. So it's like, I think of like, Guardians is like the first one I can think of in my mind that was very comedy-centric. You know, like all the other movies before that had some jokes, but Guardians was definitely the one that was the most comedy-central. And then every movie since then, and it was like the first movie where all the main cast all kind of have their quips. And then every movie since then, everybody's got a...

Eli Price (02:12:26.448)
Sure, yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:12:32.226)
be the jokester and it's, you know, it gets really aggravating after a while. Um, although we'll say volume three was phenomenal, but we don't have to talk about that. I loved it. I loved it. It was, it's so good. It's so good.

Eli Price (02:12:37.59)
Yeah.

Sure.

Eli Price (02:12:45.76)
Yeah, I haven't seen it, but...

Eli Price (02:12:51.404)
Yeah, but uh, yeah, I think we mostly agree as far as like Which spider-man adaptations are good or not, but you just need to go see into the spider-verse That's what you need to do Yeah But yeah, so yeah, I'm excited about across the spider-verse I'm sure when this episode releases I will be making my way to theaters to see that because

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:12:55.682)
sounds like it. I know, I know, I know. I will watch it soon, I promise. I'll let you know what I thought.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:13:14.998)
making your way downtown. If there was a movie theater downtown, like you're gonna open one.

Eli Price (02:13:21.208)
Well, yeah, if there was, yeah, if there was one that we could open that would show it downtown, you know, I'll run it. Someone just paid to make it happen and I'll I'll get the movies anyways. Yeah. So, yeah, that's that's all I really had for that. It's it's fun to talk about Spider-Man and the adaptations. I think he is my favorite into you care. Like I say, MCU.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:13:32.712)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:13:49.324)
My favorite just Marvel character in general. You know, I'm a DC guy. So like Flash is my favorite comic book character. And then Batman is a very, very, very, very close second. But I just like, as far as like the characters and the storylines, I prefer DC. So I haven't read a lot of Marvel comics. I've read an OK amount of DC stuff.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:13:53.667)
same.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:14:07.65)
Same here.

Eli Price (02:14:19.096)
But yeah, obviously, like, DC hasn't made a ton of good movies, but, you know, there's some really good ones at the same time. So, but anyways, yeah, that's enough on the superheroes. We're gonna move now into our movie draft segment.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:14:27.012)
Hmm. Long live the side reverse.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:14:35.446)
All right, I'm ready. I spent like half an hour putting together a list and I, cause I was like, I wanna have some ready to go that aren't like the popular ones just in case, so.

Eli Price (02:14:44.265)
Yes, I love it.

Eli Price (02:14:50.812)
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So this is going to be an interesting one. I think this is going to be the most like strange one we've done so far. The other ones have been pretty like typical. So but yeah, so today just kind of along the same theme as covering the life aquatic with Steve's issue, we're going to do a draft of movies with significant scenes that occur underwater. So.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:14:58.028)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:15:20.808)
It can be a movie that's completely or mostly or a lot underwater, or it can be a movie where there's just a sequence that's, you know, means something significant that happens underwater or anything in between. So that's kind of what we're drafting. You know, I don't want to give any examples because, you know, we might give away things that we want to draft, but you'll you'll pick up on what we're what we're putting down once we get going. So.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:15:42.123)
Right, right.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:15:46.978)
Hmm.

Eli Price (02:15:50.984)
JP, you're the guest, so I'm gonna let you pick first. This always comes back to bite me, but you know.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:15:53.426)
Man, do I need to like give a little explanation after what I pick? Let people know what it's about? All right. I'm just going to say, the ones that I really want to choose from, if you don't choose from, there's going to be a bit of a theme here. But my first choice is going to be the movie Underwater from 2020, starring Kristen Stewart and a bunch of other people.

Eli Price (02:16:02.224)
A quick one, a quick one.

Eli Price (02:16:11.861)
Okay, I like it.

Eli Price (02:16:21.084)
Nice, okay. Yeah, yeah, I never saw that.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:16:22.018)
Uh, it's there. They are researchers on like this like deep sea research facility and, uh, you know, uh, chaos ensues. Just a little, little, little, little monster action. Uh, it's, uh, it's, it's a good time. It's a good time. It's, it's like one of those movies where like, you know, I expected it to be like, okay, but it actually was like pretty good. It's, it's a fun movie. Highly recommend.

Eli Price (02:16:33.121)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (02:16:51.872)
Yeah, yeah, so I'm envisioning like a lot of like intense like kind of like clencher butt cheek sequences where there's something happening, but and because you're underwater, it's like super stressful.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:16:57.644)
Yeah.

Well, yeah, like, like it's, you know, it's, it's a, it's a, it's a little sci-fi ass cause there's like a sequence where they have to like cross the ocean floor in these suits and it's pitch black. So as you can imagine it, it's, it's definitely got some clinch in of the cheeks.

Eli Price (02:17:08.804)
Okay.

Eli Price (02:17:12.6)
Gotcha, yeah. Right. Yes. Yeah, and I like Kristen Stewart. She gets a bad rap, I think, sometimes from Twilight, but she's a good actress. Right.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:17:20.962)
So does Robert Pattinson, like people don't understand that he's actually like a phenomenal actor. So, go watch Good Time by the Safdie Brothers and then come back to me.

Eli Price (02:17:28.494)
Oh yeah.

Yes, yes. You know, I would say go watch the lighthouse, but that's kind of like, if you dare, go watch the lighthouse, if you dare. It's intense. Yeah. But yeah, so I I'm coming in and I have a list of movies, but I don't have them like in any sort of order. And so I'm coming in like, man, what do I need to pick first? But I'm going I'm going to start off just like.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:17:38.031)
That's a rough one.

Eli Price (02:17:59.744)
I don't know if this is something you're familiar with or interested in. Typically, I try to, you know, you want to try to draft things so that the other person doesn't get to get them. But I'm going to go completely like off the wall here, and I'm going to make my first pick Ponyo, which is, yeah, it's a Hayao Miyazaki film, Japanese, you know, it's it's an anime movie in a sense.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:18:13.302)
Okay. Okay.

Eli Price (02:18:28.94)
in the sense that it's a Japanese animated film. But yeah, Miyazaki, movies like Spirited Away and My Neighbor Totoro, which are great. But Ponyo, I love Ponyo. And I think the reason I'm choosing it here is just because I love the way he animates the ocean. It gives you a similar magical vibe that the underwater scenes in Steve's Asu give.

Like, it's just when you go underwater in that movie and to give people a reference point, it's almost like it's kind of like a Little Mermaid esque kind of story where you have this character, Ponyo, who's a fish and becomes a human and befriends like a human kid. Like they're both kids. And you know, they're it's it's Little Mermaid esque in that way.

Not in the it's not the typical little mermaid story, but it has those vibes to it. But yeah, so it just the way he animates the underwater seems just like when I saw this movie and we went underwater, I was just smiling because it was so fun and it was so like interesting to look at. And yeah, so I'm going with Ponyo. Great movie. And you can watch.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:19:45.709)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:19:53.484)
Okay.

Eli Price (02:19:58.912)
You can watch it with subtitles in Japanese or you can watch all these Miyazaki movies are dubbed too. And the dubs are generally actually pretty decent dubbed films.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:20:07.478)
Yeah, my rule is if I'm watching live action, I'll watch it subbed, at least for the first time. If I'm watching animated, I'll watch it dubbed. I know it's a very hot take, but dub over sub every day when it comes to anime.

Eli Price (02:20:16.784)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, and.

Okay. Yeah. And I would even recommend like if you're getting into like Miyazaki animated movies for the first time, like because the dubs are actually pretty good generally. And his movies are so visual like visually stunning. I would recommend like going dub so you can pay attention to what's going on on the screen more. Yeah, but yeah, Ponyo is my first choice.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:20:38.679)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:20:47.998)
Okay, okay. So my second pick, again, because it's like, I want to like, because I'm approaching this is like movies that I actually like have seen, I really enjoy. I'm not really worried about like, what who the viewers are going to think has the better team, so to speak. Number two for me is going to be The Cave from 2005. Okay, so this is a movie I saw like

Eli Price (02:20:49.844)
We're gonna draft five each by the way for the listeners. We already know that but.

Eli Price (02:21:03.074)
Uh huh, yeah.

Eli Price (02:21:16.197)
I don't even think I know this movie.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:21:17.218)
forever ago and I recently rewatched it and I was like, surprisingly, I still love it. It's about a group of cave divers that find this cave underneath this like old, like church chapel and they go down and chaos ensues, a little bit of monster action. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Eli Price (02:21:39.128)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (02:21:44.664)
Okay, so it's like a horror thriller kind of movie? Yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:21:44.99)
Yeah, it's fun. It's fun. It's like PG-13. It's not too crazy. And I feel like it's got a bit of a higher budget. It's one of those movies where I actually was looking it up the director, it's the only movie they've ever made. Because it was like a critical and commercial failure. But as a fan of monster movies, it's a good time. It's a good time.

Yeah, they're cave, yeah, yeah, sorry. They're like, yeah, they're like, there's a lot of scenes of them in the water, or the fact that they're inside of this cave network has lots of play into it. I will say, it was hard to like, I'm like, does it have to be on underwater or on the water? Does that count? But I'm trying to stick to underwater. So yeah, there's a lot of sequences of them having to like, they have to, yeah, yeah. There's a lot of sequences in diving.

Eli Price (02:22:08.233)
And they go underwater, I assume, in this cave.

Eli Price (02:22:22.328)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:22:31.464)
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, definitely it has to be underwater at some.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:22:36.566)
you know, inside of the cave. So.

Eli Price (02:22:40.96)
Yeah, yeah, that works. Okay, well, I'm going to go with a movie. My second pick, I have some other ones that I probably like more than this, but I'm gonna go ahead and pick this one because I really like the scene that's underwater. And it's funny, you mentioned the original version of this earlier, Casino Royale, the Daniel Craig version. I can't remember the year it released, but it's the most recent, you know.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:23:00.247)
Mmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:23:05.139)
Gun 6.

Eli Price (02:23:09.888)
Yeah, 2006 most recent Bond series with Daniel Craig is the first one. And the reason I'm picking this one is because, you know, spoiler alert, if you. I'm not giving spoiler alerts every time I spoil a movie. Sorry.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:23:13.475)
So good.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:23:19.65)
been out since 2006 y'all. You can't you can't give a spoiler alert for a movie that's like over a decade old you know it's like if you haven't seen it that's on you.

Eli Price (02:23:31.14)
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It's on you. But there's a scene at the very end. The reason I love it is because it's the first time you get every other introduction to every other bond. He's just like suave, does everything well, like, you know, he's just in charge. Right. And yeah, always saves the day, always gets the girl. And in this one, you have that that scene at the end.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:23:49.106)
Always say it today, always gets the girl.

Eli Price (02:24:00.908)
where he's underwater, he's trying to save the girl, she's stuck in a cage underwater, and he can't save the girl. And the response is just like this purely vulnerable emotion of like, just like despair and rage that you get from Daniel Craig underwater. And it's just an introduction to Bond that I thought was like, I'm not a huge fan of Bond in general. Like I've watched

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:24:14.594)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:24:25.074)
I love to do these porn films.

Eli Price (02:24:30.124)
I've watched the old ones and they just don't do it for me, but the Craig series I love. And I think part of it is just because you get this, you get such a vulnerable introduction to him in this film and it all culminates in that underwater scene with him.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:24:39.585)
Yeah.

Also, she like, she like lets herself drown too. Like that's the other part of it too, is that like, is, yeah, all around, that's phenomenal scene, great pic. I wish I would have thought of that.

Eli Price (02:24:49.408)
Yeah. Yeah.

Eli Price (02:24:55.796)
Yeah, so I'm going Casino Royale for that scene. Yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:24:56.394)
Man. All right. All right. Number three.

Gonna go with Deep Blue Sea, 1999. One of the greats. You've never seen Deep Blue Sea? Oh dude, it's a classic. Thomas Jane is in it. LL Cool J, Samuel L. Jackson, very infamous scene of Samuel L. Jackson getting killed by a horrifically CGI rendered shark. It is 1999. Yeah, it's so.

Eli Price (02:25:10.508)
I think it's another one I don't know.

Eli Price (02:25:15.161)
I don't think so.

Eli Price (02:25:21.397)
Okay.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:25:32.546)
Hey, I told you I love I love monster movies. What can I say? Uh, yeah, I know this one They have this kind of ocean research facility and they are trying to create a cure for Alzheimer's Which they are doing by injecting Certain things into these Mako sharks and they're basically using the Mako shark brain to like test the chemical but it causes them to become hyper intelligent and some things happen and they end up

Eli Price (02:25:33.556)
Yeah, I'm seeing your I'm seeing your running theme with these monsters

Eli Price (02:25:56.621)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:26:02.07)
basically being able to get into the facility and it slowly starts filling up with water and you know you got you got like three hyper intelligent genetically modified mako sharks and a bunch of people and uh chaos ensues so it's great it's it is such a i'll give you one really fun fact about it is that there is a character in the movie like the lead female scientist who earned her character name and

Eli Price (02:26:21.456)
I love it.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:26:31.158)
But originally, this character survives the movie. And test audiences hated this character so much. Every single comment was like, you need to kill her. Why does she live? They had some more colorful things to say that I'm not going to say here. And so they actually reshot the ending to allow her to die because everyone felt so strongly about it. And when you watch the movie, you'll get a sense of why. But yeah, it's just a fun time. It's just a great, great.

Eli Price (02:26:57.422)
That's awesome.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:27:00.618)
like classic, like, you know, 90s monster film. So, yeah.

Eli Price (02:27:08.32)
Yeah, I dig it. That's awesome. Yeah, so I'm going with this one. The reason I'm going with this movie is there's there's only like one small little like part where they're underwater that I can think of. But it was my favorite movie last year and I just loved it so much. So I wanted to take this chance to highlight it. It's after Sun. It's a movie. It actually got

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:27:29.09)
Hmm.

Eli Price (02:27:37.584)
Paul Mescal got nominated for supporting actor. Yeah, it's a it's a first feature film by a director named Charlotte Wells. It's great. It's about it's kind of like this. It's about this girl and her dad on this vacation, and it's you you kind of realize like fairly early on that you're kind of seeing it. It's a memory.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:27:38.517)
Mm-hmm. I've heard a lot of good things about it, having gone around and seen it.

Eli Price (02:28:06.808)
Like it's her older and she's thinking back and watching these old tapes, like home video tapes of her and her dad on this like, kind of like a vacation where they last like had a strong relationship you get the sense of and her kind of reflecting on that and what it means. And there's this scene where they're underwater. You see them and they have those underwater cameras

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:28:18.998)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:28:33.806)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (02:28:37.42)
You know kids these days, I don't know if they are gonna understand this but those little they're basically They're basically Like disposable cameras, but they were underwater versions Yeah They had those back in the day They were like full like a ton of them in the little surf shops at the beach You know in in beach towns, but um, but yeah, so yeah, they're in the pool like underwater taking pictures of each other

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:28:46.76)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:28:56.023)
Right.

still see those Walmart sometimes.

Eli Price (02:29:07.008)
And it just kind of gives you, it just kind of highlights that nostalgia of her looking back, but also like it kind of like, is that, you know, almost metaphor of like capturing the moment, like trying to remember that moment sort of thing. So yeah, very, it's a very short little sequence of underwater. So, you know, I'm sneaking it in here, but I just love the movie that I wanted to highlight it here after Sun.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:29:31.35)
Okay, okay. All right, all right, all right. So number four, and this is super relevant because the trailer for the sequel just dropped and I'm very excited. I'm gonna go with The Meg from 2018. The Jason Statham Absolute Powerhouse. This movie, it's interesting to me. I feel like...

Eli Price (02:29:46.594)
All right.

Eli Price (02:29:50.058)
Meg, this one I do know but I haven't seen.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:29:58.126)
people didn't really like it as much as they should, they could have because it's like a very, it's like a US Chinese production. As someone who watches like a lot of foreign films, like I can kind of pick up on it, but it's definitely has some of that awkwardness that like watching a Chinese film can have sometimes. But it was just, man, it's so much fun. Jason Statham gets to fight a Megalodon. I mean, what more do you want? And the sequel looks,

Eli Price (02:30:07.909)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (02:30:20.548)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:30:27.266)
bigger and more ridiculous in the best way. So, yeah.

Eli Price (02:30:28.481)
Yeah, it's awesome.

Eli Price (02:30:33.492)
Yeah, I've heard that this is actually secretly pretty good. Like it doesn't have good ratings at all. But.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:30:34.122)
It's really solid. It's just a, it's, I mean, it's a, it's a dumb movie, but like, it's just, it's just a fun time. Like, it's literally like, it's a turn your brain off, pop some popcorn, and have a good time watching Jason, Jason Statham fight a megalodon. You know, it's good.

Eli Price (02:30:43.33)
Yeah, sure.

Eli Price (02:30:58.016)
Yes. Yeah. So that's awesome. My fourth pick here is going to be anytime I get the chance. I'm pretty sure I've picked that I picked this movie for a different draft a couple of episodes ago. But any time I get the chance to draft it for any reason, I'm going to because I love Paddington, too. It's such a great movie. But there's a scene, you know, where.

Paddington is stuck in a car and he's needing to be rescued, of course. And it's Sally Hawkins' character who plays Mrs. Brown, goes and saves him. And yeah, I just love Paddington too. That's a good sequence. It's a good little rescue sequence.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:31:53.506)
I've not seen either, but I know a lot of people unironically say like they're some of the best movies ever made. Like unironically they have like 100% on Rotten Tomatoes, both of them. Not that I like take Rotten Tomatoes scores that seriously.

Eli Price (02:31:54.904)
But have you seen the Paddington movies?

Eli Price (02:32:03.276)
Oh yeah, it's not ironic, I love them.

Eli Price (02:32:08.969)
Yes.

Eli Price (02:32:12.664)
But yeah, Paddington, it's funny, Paddington 2 is actually like it has a very Wes Anderson feel to it. Not so much in like the humor necessarily, but in the way it's shot, it kind of has that Wes Anderson kind of detail and color to it. So yeah, Paddington 2 has a great is a great movie and has a great little underwater scene. So alright, where are you going? Number five. Last pick.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:32:14.806)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:32:37.104)
Oh man.

Eli Price (02:32:41.588)
I'm expecting another, I'm gonna be disappointed if it's not another monster.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:32:41.874)
You know, I'm looking at my... I honestly, like I said, I made a list. I have some of the more popular ones on here just so I can have them on hand. But I'm like, like I said, I'm just making a list of movies that I like where a lot of it's like underwater or whatever.

Eli Price (02:32:54.18)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (02:33:00.168)
Yeah. Well, you know, part of this is like people are going to hear things and be like, oh, I might be interested in that. Go check it out.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:33:00.822)
Yeah, yeah. Okay, I'm stuck between two, but one of them is pretty popular. So the other one I'll go with, my last pick, I'm going to go with the Shallows for 2016. Blake Lively is a surfer stuck on a rock after she had a bit of an accident while surfing. And there is a whale carcass not too far from her that has attracted a great white shark.

Eli Price (02:33:17.433)
Okay.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:33:29.922)
and she's stuck on this rock in the middle of this little lagoon in the shallow area. Everyone's left the beach and she basically has to figure out how to survive. Super satisfying movie. Firstly, it's like one of those movies where she makes a lot of really smart decisions and you always, you gotta love in a movie, especially like a quote-unquote horror thriller, although it's like not really scary at all.

Eli Price (02:33:41.328)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (02:33:52.888)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:33:58.746)
Which you gotta love when like a character makes smart decisions, especially a female lead character Who's like a very obviously very attractive person like there's like certain assumptions about oh, you know she's gonna be really dumb, but yeah, it makes a lot of really smart decisions and It's just one of the movies. That's just super satisfying like the ending and everything and Yeah, it's it's a good time. Also. It's I can't remember how to pronounce his name but it's the director of this film was the same guy who's like

He's like worked with The Rock on a lot of stuff, like he directed Black Adam. And this movie is like steps and bounds, better direction than Black Adam or any of those other recent, like, uh, you know, like I think he did like rampage or whatever, but, uh, just really solid, like a really, like one person, one location, they have a problem they need to solve how to get to the beach without getting attacked by the shark cause she has like a cut, she's bleeding, so the sharks are attracted to her as well. Um.

Eli Price (02:34:32.726)
Okay.

Eli Price (02:34:46.05)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:34:55.886)
And yeah, it's just a fun, it's like 90 minutes, just a super solid like popcorn thriller and just a satisfying watch. So there you go, there you go. Didn't leave you disappointed. My other option was gonna be Pacific Rim, but I was like, that one's too popular, people know that. I'm gonna go with Pacific Rim.

Eli Price (02:34:57.017)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:35:09.324)
Yeah, I love it.

awesome.

Okay. Yeah. So, I mean, I've got to tell you, I love that you went with the monster theme and stuck with it, but you're like, I feel like I've got this one in the bag as far as like a poll afterwards goes. But who who cares? You know, you're getting.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:35:28.163)
I mean, I feel like literally, I feel like literally all of mine except for maybe the Meg or Deep Blue Sea people are like, I've never even heard of that movie. So it's all good. It's all good.

Eli Price (02:35:39.996)
Yeah. Yeah. So so I could, you know, I could go that easy. Like I have a couple that like are obvious and like I do love like especially Jaws. I love Jaws. I think it's like a way more like important and like powerful movie than like meets the eye. And yeah, for for one that but just like thematically, I think it's it's.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:35:57.706)
I mean, it literally created the summer blockbuster.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:36:04.974)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (02:36:08.716)
You know, I think it's a metaphor for like America and like the problems with our country. But anyways, we're not going to get into that. You know, I could go into I could go with Nemo. Nemo is obvious. It's it's a good movie. I like Nemo a lot, but I'm not going to go with Jaws or Nemo, which, by the way, my first pick, Ponyo, the animation for underwater is much more fun than Nemo and much more beautiful. So.

Go check out Ponyo. But I'm gonna go with one that maybe less people have seen just because I think I've already got this one in the bag. And I'm gonna highlight one of my favorite movies from 2020 or 2021. Can't even remember in the moment, The Green Knight. Have you seen The Green Knight?

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:36:54.722)
Mm-mm. No, man, again, it's one of those ones that was on my list and it was in theaters for two weeks and just did not have a chance to go see it.

Eli Price (02:37:03.498)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:37:08.372)
Yeah, so it's by David Lowry, stars Dev Patel, who's just fantastic in it. And its bass is actually like kind of adapted from this like really, really old English poem. Right. Sir Gwaine and the Green Knight. Exactly. And so, yeah, so it's there's it's a it's a poem. It's really.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:37:21.07)
I'd start going into the green night, I believe.

Something like that.

Eli Price (02:37:37.204)
Yeah, there's a lot of lore behind it, but the movie is fantastic. It's visually just like incredible. But yeah, he's basically it's a it's a typical sort of like, you know, chiv chivalric journey, night's journey kind of movie where it's like episodic. So he has these the he has like a quest he's going on. But along the way, you have these kind of like episodes where he has to like

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:37:51.522)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (02:38:06.604)
Um, you know, he's basically like proving his virtue in this way with this episode and this way with this episode. Um, but actually like not proving it because it's kind of like a twist on that sort of tail. But yeah, and one of them, there's this like ghosts like woman who, uh, like his task, I guess you would say in that scene is like, he has to retrieve her head. And, um, it's like.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:38:30.19)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (02:38:35.348)
Underwater so he has to obviously it's kind of like one of the more spooky scenes But yeah, it's it's it's a really good sequence and the movie just is so very good I loved that movie So yeah, the green night is my last choice again, like partly because it does have a good underwater scene, but also because I wanted to highlight a really good movie, so

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:38:50.292)
Okay.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:38:58.562)
Well, if I would have known, I could have gone with movies that only had one scene underwater.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:39:06.478)
I'm just, yeah, I don't know. I mean, you know what? I feel good about My List. I'm sticking with it. Like monster movies are like one of my guilty pleasure genres, so I will watch just about anything, monster movie-wise.

Eli Price (02:39:08.568)
Hey, I told you, I told you that.

Eli Price (02:39:18.158)
Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, there's really not a ton of movies totally underwater except for maybe monster movies. But yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:39:25.866)
And it's also like there's not a whole lot of movies that like you said, like are, well, yeah, I guess you kind of said the same thing, but not only are a lot of movies, like they don't really make a lot of movies about things underwater, except for monster films or like some kind of creature from the deep. And I think it's because like the ocean is still such a mysterious place. So it really does work.

Eli Price (02:39:41.872)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (02:39:49.529)
Yeah.

Yeah, so that's our draft. I'll read them back. JP got underwater, the cave, deep blue sea, the megh, and the shallows with his monster theme. And I went with Ponyo, Casino Royale, Aftersun, Paddington 2, and the Green Knights. And these are, that was our draft for movies that are underwater and have under, yes, underwater scenes. Yeah, that was fun.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:40:12.746)
the duality of man.

Eli Price (02:40:22.212)
That was a fun one. I will say, you know, I don't, I think I've got that one in the bag when I put the poll up, but who cares? You got, you took your movies and they're fun, so. Yeah, we're gonna wrap things up with recommendations of the week. JP, what do you got for a recommendation?

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:40:27.554)
We'll see. We'll see.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:40:40.784)
Ah, man.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:40:45.71)
I'm sure I thought about this part more. I'll tell you what. I'll do this. I'll recommend a movie that I rewatched recently that I thought was, it still feels really good. Maybe didn't like it as much as I liked it when I first saw it when I was younger. And it feels more like a concept film, like a film that probably would have worked better as a TV show. I'm going to go with the movie Push.

Eli Price (02:40:50.988)
Hehehehehehe

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:41:15.874)
from 2009 starring Chris Evans and Dakota Fanning. It's like, it's kind of a superhero film. Like it's like set in a world where a certain percentage of the population has like certain psychic powers. So there's like telekinesis, telekinetics, and they all have cool names like pushers can move things. And then, you know, I can't remember some of the other names.

Eli Price (02:41:23.67)
Okay.

Eli Price (02:41:32.644)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:41:40.034)
They all have really cool, it's just really cool, interesting powers of people that can protect the future, people that can take solid matter and make you think you're seeing something else for a limited period of time. It still is a pretty solid movie. It's one of those movies that makes me really nostalgic for those mid-2000s style thrillers. I think that and I watched Safe House last year, I think for the first time, with Denzel Washington and Ryan Reynolds.

Eli Price (02:42:04.302)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:42:09.762)
And I know, like, I know at the time we kind of hated it, but there's just something really nostalgic about like, it's really like over exposed. It's like grain, like fake, fake film grain. There's all these like power zooms and like weird random cuts, like, like little montage scenes. But, but I don't know, I'll kind of miss it. So that's what I'll recommend is 2009's push.

Eli Price (02:42:11.209)
Yeah, yeah.

Eli Price (02:42:26.066)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:42:39.176)
Okay. Yeah, yeah. That's yeah, I like that. That's fun. I think my recommendation, I'm just like making this up on the fly because I guess like you, I hadn't really thought about it before sitting down here. But yeah, so I'm going to recommend the band Vampire Weekend. It's for one.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:43:01.866)
Mmm. You and my cousins and me and my cousins. Da da da da da. Oh, sorry. I like that song.

Eli Price (02:43:10.04)
Yeah Yes Yeah, vampire weekend is I think they're probably one of my favorite bands and Vampires of the modern city. What is the name of that album like vampires of the modern city? I think is what it's called It's one of my favorite albums just all time just they have this very like Very like wide-ranging influenced

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:43:39.923)
Yeah, definitely.

Eli Price (02:43:39.988)
indie pop rock kind of sound. Like you have kind of the classical music influence in the way they like the instrumentation and the kind of like melodies they have going on. And you even have kind of like almost like. I would say I can't I can't place the rhythms that they use, but I want to say like almost like African.

rhythms that they kind of have. It's something that is not American that they use in their rhythm patterns. But it's like this eclectic mix of... Yeah, yeah, in a way. But I felt like they were a good recommendation because they kind of have this like, quirk and detail to them, to their music that Wes Anderson kind of brings to his movies.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:44:18.102)
They're a little math rocky.

Eli Price (02:44:39.196)
And they even have a music video that's like styled in a West Anderson style. I can't remember which song it is that the music video is for, but yeah, they're very, very, very good band. One thing I like about them is, so I don't know, I'm weird in this way.

I, you know, I'm a Christian, but also like I appreciate people that like are struggling with like religion and faith. And so like, they have this very cynical, but also honest approach to religion. Like a lot of their songs have a ton of religious overtones and like, just like they are, they're obviously very cynical about it, but kind of honest in the way they approach.

lyrically like Religion and you know its problems and so I appreciate that aspect of them, too So yeah, I'm gonna recommend the band vampire weekend also very catchy their songs will get stuck in your head

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:45:45.366)
Nice. Yes. Yeah, no. I definitely have a couple of their songs I really enjoy. Very cinematic band too. Like I feel like they have songs that, you know, James Gunn might put in his next movie. You know? Ha ha ha.

Eli Price (02:45:59.349)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:46:06.006)
Sure. Yeah, so JP, where can people find you? Social media, letterbox, give us all the things.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:46:10.086)
Yeah, best place to connect with me is on Instagram, either my personal, which is Jean-Pierre Boudreau, or my creative brand, Inhabit Creative Co. Either of those, I'm usually pretty active on there.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:46:47.442)
Yeah, everything good?

Eli Price (02:46:48.997)
kind of came out there for a minute. Sorry about that. Yeah, I don't know what happened. This had never happened before. I'm going to go ahead and ask you that question again, because I think all the way up until I asked it, we were good. OK. Yeah, so JP, why don't you tell us where people can find you, social media, Letterboxd website, all that sort of stuff.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:47:00.45)
Okay. Okay, yeah.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:47:13.674)
Yeah, best place to connect with me is over on Instagram. My personal account is Jean Pierre Boudreau or follow my creative brand agency, whatever you wanna call it, Inhabit Creative Co. Super active on there usually, pretty much daily, sharing stuff. So yeah, I'd love to chat about movies anytime or anything else really.

Eli Price (02:47:42.745)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and we'll definitely link those in the episode description so you can find it there. But yeah, it's been great having you, JP. You know, I love the just the perspective you brought today. And yeah, it was a lot of fun having you on. And I think we'll be having you on again soon, I think, in this series, if I'm not mistaken. So.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:48:00.698)
Anytime. Yeah, anytime. I love it, man. It's great.

Eli Price (02:48:09.249)
Yeah, so yeah, great having you. And yeah, this has been the establishing shot. And I've been Eli Price. And we've had JP Boudreaux on. And we will see you next time.

Jean-Pierre Boudreaux (02:48:21.582)
Have a good night, everybody.