The Lost World: Jurassic Park ( w/ Jean-Pierre Boudreaux)

Eli (00:02.558)
Hello and welcome to the establishing shot a podcast where we do deep dives into directors and their filmographies I am your host Eli price and we are on episode 68 of the podcast today in our Steven Spielberg series We're gonna be jumping into the lost world Jurassic Park today and I I'm excited it's

It's been good so far getting into his movies of the 90s. This is his third of the 90s. And yeah, I have a returning guest in JP Boudreaux Jean-Pierre, aka Jean-Pierre Boudreaux. And yeah, he's a, I mean, you're basically like, I don't know, prestige guest, I guess, level.

Jean-Pierre (00:53.346)
Basically your co-host at this point. Yeah, I need my five timers club jacket. Is this five? I think it's five times maybe. definitely. It definitely is, yeah.

Eli (01:01.458)
Yeah, five times, I think at least five recording, but since I've started splitting episodes, then you're technically on more episodes than that, think. So you might already be in five episodes. But yeah, so JP's joined me for several of our, I think your first one was Grand Budapest, if I'm remembering correctly. Were you on?

Jean-Pierre (01:08.13)
That's That's true.

Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (01:24.979)
Steve's easier actually I think because that yeah

Eli (01:27.436)
yes it was. You were on Steve, you were twice in that series. Yeah sweet. In the Spielberg series you joined me for Empire of the Sun and we did a Christian Bell performances draft which was really fun.

Jean-Pierre (01:31.575)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (01:46.022)
I still can't believe I lost that I thought I thought Patrick Bateman would have carried but I Think your audience just doesn't have taste Eli. That's that's what I'm convinced by

Eli (01:50.09)
Uhhh...

I thought so too but I had

Eli (01:58.83)
I honestly like when you took American Psycho Patrick Bateman right off the get go, was like, well, I mean, that's everyone. Everyone is going to say that's the best performance and that's going to carry your thing. But I, I don't know. Maybe it was, what's the

Jean-Pierre (02:13.686)
I just think people just haven't seen the movie. was hoping the power of the memes would carry me through. Right? Because it's not a fun movie to watch. That's true.

Eli (02:19.058)
Yeah, yeah, maybe people saw rain of fire because then you take the that dragon movie rain of fire and people were like That movie and they're like I can't vote for that

Jean-Pierre (02:27.914)
He's I mean he's good in the movie. I like it a lot. I I mean it's

Eli (02:32.754)
I haven't, I haven't seen it, so I can't speak to that. So,

Jean-Pierre (02:35.598)
I even now I'm like, that speaks to my inner 10 year old. know, like it's, think I honestly.

Eli (02:40.563)
Yeah, yeah.

Jean-Pierre (02:43.19)
I think it'd be perfect for a remake because I think I said this, I might have said this like when we recorded that, but like that movie was supposed to be so like such a higher grandeur scale. But when they went into production, there was an outbreak of like foot and mouth disease in England or whatever they were filming. So they had to like really tone it down a lot. So honestly, I think it'd be perfect for a remake. I think right now that movie came out. I think it'd be interesting maybe as like a

Eli (02:53.044)
Yeah, yeah.

Eli (03:03.282)
Yeah, you think bail could reprise his role?

Jean-Pierre (03:10.656)
as like a kind of a wink to people who like the original one, like if he was, if he had like a cameo in like a reboot, but I don't really think they could do like a legacy sequel because of the way the movie ends. You know, they kill the only male dragon, which is essentially supposed to kill the species. I mean, so I guess they could do it of like, it wasn't the only male dragon.

Eli (03:14.014)
Okay.

Eli (03:22.942)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (03:31.016)
Yeah, well if you go by Jurassic Park rules and there happened to be some frog DNA that got in there, then you know they might start switching genders, know? Yeah, life will find a way, as they say.

Jean-Pierre (03:41.58)
Or just nature, know, nature finds a way.

Jean-Pierre (03:48.044)
Just a bunch of trans dragons flying around,

Eli (03:50.878)
Yeah, so JP has been on the show enough that he doesn't need it. You can go listen to those other episodes to get the full intro. The quick version is that JP works. You do some filming. You do some videography work. Yeah. Right, right.

Jean-Pierre (04:10.698)
It's yeah, yeah, it's it's it's been a while with all the strikes and everything but you know Every day I wake up and it's like maybe today's the day that there's finally some productions coming back to New Orleans We'll have to see

Eli (04:21.29)
You

Yeah, yeah you're in New Orleans so hopefully some productions start popping up in New Orleans here in the near future where you can get on sets and that sort of thing.

Jean-Pierre (04:34.466)
Yeah, I know Five Nights at Freddy's 2 is apparently coming back, but that's probably one of those films that had a smaller crew so everybody that worked on the first one has already gotten the call to be ready to go when they start production in a few weeks. That's true, that's true. You never know, you never know.

Eli (04:39.282)
Okay.

Eli (04:48.328)
Yeah, that doesn't mean you can't try though. I still actually want to watch the first one. I still haven't seen it, but I did want to see it.

Jean-Pierre (04:57.838)
I think I was not as harsh to it as I saw a lot of people, just because firstly, I don't know if you know about Five Nights at Freddy's, but like...

Eli (05:04.68)
Hmm. It seems just kind of fun.

Jean-Pierre (05:10.27)
When those games were coming out, I was already little bit older. The whole idea of the first game was like baby's first horror game basically. It wasn't overly scary and graphic like lot of horror games. was somewhat kid-friendly to an extent. But a lot of the background lore is actually really disturbing.

Eli (05:10.344)
I do, I'm aware.

Eli (05:14.515)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (05:27.306)
Mm.

Jean-Pierre (05:32.174)
But so I think honestly it felt like a feature length episode of like Goosebumps. know, like I thought it hit the perfect vibe of like...

Eli (05:32.488)
Gotcha. Yeah.

Eli (05:39.167)
Hmm.

Jean-Pierre (05:42.208)
If you're younger and you're a fan of the games, you know, I think it gave you the creepy vibes, but I think a lot of people who, cause I feel like horror fans are some of the snobbiest people to be honest. Like I can, I can appreciate the occasional horror movie depending on what it's about. I'm not a huge fan of the genre, but I swear like people I know who are like really, really into horror. They're like, if it doesn't give me nightmares for a month straight, it's not a good horror movie. I'm like, okay, dude, maybe you just need

Eli (05:45.512)
Yeah.

Eli (05:53.118)
Yeah, could be.

Eli (06:05.203)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (06:12.122)
go to therapy I don't know I don't know

Eli (06:12.626)
Yeah, I think so. Yeah, so this episode is releasing on November 1st, so we're just out of spooky season. So yeah. What is your favorite horror movie, JP? If you had to pick, just like off the top of your head, you can change your answer at a later date if you need to. So this isn't written in stone.

Jean-Pierre (06:22.452)
I hope you all got your fill of your spooky season movies, okay?

Jean-Pierre (06:29.722)
man.

Jean-Pierre (06:35.892)
Yeah, if you had to ask me off the top of my head, I would say it's hard for me to pick a favorite necessarily of the ones that I do like, because I think a lot of my favorites are like ones that are kind of like on the cheesier end of things. But I do think Hereditary is a masterpiece. I love a good like

Eli (06:48.297)
Yeah.

Eli (06:55.932)
yeah, Herodotus is great.

Jean-Pierre (06:59.35)
It's weird, like, I don't really like, I don't watch, like, movies about serial killers or I don't want to watch, like, torture, you know, prawn kind of stuff where it's just like a bunch of, like, I can watch people get blown up and blood and guts in an action movie or a war movie all day long. I don't want to see somebody, slowly killed with a cheese grater and like a slasher flick, you know what I mean? I can't do it.

Eli (07:04.19)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (07:18.118)
man. Yeah, I watched one earlier this year called In A Violent Nature and it's got some brutal stuff in it that... yeah.

Jean-Pierre (07:25.3)
Yeah, I heard a lot of people talking about that one, but

Eli (07:29.064)
It looks beautiful. It's like, is that movie looks like if Terrence Malick made a horror movie? Because it looks beautiful.

Jean-Pierre (07:35.0)
I know that's your boy, I will say this, so, but I do, and I don't really like a lot of stuff about like,

I don't really watch a lot of movies about demons and stuff like that, just because usually they're all terrible, but also it really always bothers me when the theological concepts are terrible. But I do love a good creepy cult movie. I can't lie. So I've still not gotten around to seeing that. I need to. I need to. know. I'm so excited for Nosferatu, by the way.

Eli (07:46.718)
Yeah.

Eli (07:56.857)
Mmm. Have you seen the witch?

you got to see that. That would be on. that's that's probably my most anticipated movie of the whole year. And and I have to wait. I've been have I have to wait the whole entire year to finally finally. Did you see the trailer? They dropped it. man, it looks so incredible.

Jean-Pierre (08:10.702)
I, it's definitely up there for me.

Jean-Pierre (08:18.368)
I did, I did. I'm ex- I'm s- I can't wait. I can't- I mean, dude, I mean, you could've- like, all I needed to see was that picture. Like, like we got- we got the behind the scenes photo of like, Willem Dafoe, like, looking crazy. But that screen- that shot of him in the trailer where he's got the long hair with the impeccable mustache, like, beard stash going on. I was like, you could've just shown me that and I would've been sold. Like, I'm there. You know? But,

Eli (08:30.248)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (08:37.879)
yeah.

Eli (08:43.304)
Yeah, yeah.

Jean-Pierre (08:45.792)
Yeah, I mean, I've seen the I mean, as far as like Robert Argers goes, like I saw The Lighthouse. I don't think I'll ever watch it again, but it was a good movie. Like I can appreciate the performances. Loved The Northman. was one of my favorite movies of 2022.

Eli (08:52.586)
That's a trip. Yeah.

Eli (09:00.872)
Yeah, I wasn't as high on it, but I still really liked it.

Jean-Pierre (09:04.878)
So I'm definitely, think, yeah, I it's fraught to, I mean, I already would have been seeing it because I love monster movies, I love a good vampire movie. So I was already going to see it, but knowing that he's the person behind it, I'm sure it'll be a little more elevated, as they say. know some people really, really hate the elevated horror trope, but yeah, I think Hereditary is a masterpiece. So I know, yeah.

Eli (09:14.366)
Yeah.

Eli (09:23.063)
yeah.

Eli (09:26.985)
Yeah.

gotta see the witch. gotta make up for that. So we're... it's just... this is releasing November 1st, but it's just getting started in October as we're recording. we... so you have a whole... almost a month to get that one in.

Jean-Pierre (09:42.498)
Yeah.

I say another little shout out if people haven't seen it. I just gotta say it because I saw this within the last couple of months.

And after hearing a lot of people rave about it, well, like I heard a couple people, like a couple of reviewers, like rave about it. If you, if your audience and they like horror movie, horror movies, if they can appreciate more of a slow burn, if they have not seen The Empty Man, highly, highly recommend. It's a very stupid name, I agree. But.

Eli (10:18.642)
I haven't seen that one. Okay.

Jean-Pierre (10:18.722)
I've got, it was, it's long. It's like a two and a half hour long horror film, which is very rare. And it's, I think it's a little bit more of like a mystery thriller for most of it. And then it kind of gets into more like cosmic horror elements, but highly recommend. I loved it. I think I literally gave it like four and a half or five stars. So yeah.

Eli (10:25.096)
Okay.

Eli (10:31.742)
Yeah, yeah.

Interesting.

Okay, that's cool. Okay, I'll have to check that out. I always my go-to my go-to favorite horror movie is Blair Witch Project. Lovebriller. Yeah, classic. But but the witch is up there. Us by Pill. Jordan Pill is up there for me. I like Nope. It's it feels less of a horror movie. It's hard for me to qualify it as a horror movie. Yeah, it is.

Jean-Pierre (10:42.702)
But that's about

Jean-Pierre (10:47.63)
Okay, it's a classic. It's a classic.

Jean-Pierre (10:57.706)
Nope. Nope was phenomenal.

Jean-Pierre (11:04.044)
It's very Spielbergian, actually. Like, I remember...

Eli (11:07.772)
I call it Jaws in the Sky.

Jean-Pierre (11:09.654)
Yeah, yeah, I remember people were saying it's more like Jaws. It's like his take on Jaws, which I definitely agree with, but I think more... Yeah.

Eli (11:17.232)
Mm-hmm It's a I guess you could call it a monster movie But so it's technically horror, but it just doesn't it has more of just a thriller kind of

Jean-Pierre (11:28.106)
No, sure. it's like a, I mean, I would, I think it's on my list of like feature length episodes of the Twilight Zone, you know? Like I kinda, I kinda have this like, that's true. And some of the episodes are really great. Some of the ones I watched, like, I mean, like.

Eli (11:35.262)
Hmm. Yeah. Which Peele did do a remake of, so.

Jean-Pierre (11:44.398)
not like the stories were good, but also just the way they were shot and everything. They all look great. I love the one with Steven Yeun in it where it's like a small town in Alaska and like, it's kind of like a low key remake of like it happened on Mulberry Street or wherever that one is where like you have the aliens on the hill turning on power grids off trying to put people into a panic. But

Eli (12:01.765)
Yeah, yeah,

Jean-Pierre (12:08.342)
I kind of have this unofficial cinematic universe of movies that are not related but feel like Twilight Zone episodes. And Nope is definitely on there. But I don't think it's just Spielbergian in the fact that it's kind of a take on Jaws. I think also his approach to the way he made the movie feels like a kind of early to mid-career Steven Spielberg.

Eli (12:15.572)
Yeah.

Eli (12:23.007)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (12:26.526)
Yeah

Eli (12:30.002)
Yeah, the way it's filmed is very much like very showy, but in a a enjoyable, not in a like pretentious way, but in an enjoyable way that feels very much like Spielberg. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. Yeah, I I want him to make a new one, but we'll see. I think I think he has something in the works, but I don't think we know what it is yet.

Jean-Pierre (12:41.357)
right.

Jean-Pierre (12:56.672)
I think he, yeah, I think he does. I love how he's kind of become one of those directors where they can announce nothing more than a release date and people get hyped. think he's got a release date reserved for his next film for next year maybe, but I don't think we know anything about it yet.

Eli (13:05.648)
Mm-hmm. yeah.

Eli (13:11.656)
Next year, think. Yeah. Yeah. yeah. And we've, so we've followed a lot of bunny trails. hope, like you said, I hope people got their, their horror spooky month feel. and so yeah, maybe, maybe, I know I did. so, but yeah. So what we, we, we've gotten some of your favorite horror movies, but the real question is what is.

Jean-Pierre (13:27.682)
Maybe they watched The Lost World as part of it, who knows.

Eli (13:41.246)
your favorite dinosaur? That is, that's the real question.

Jean-Pierre (13:45.774)
Yeah, I... You know, it's been a long time since I've considered this question, but I will say, you know, there's that classic meme of like, it's like, you know, like big trucks, dinosaurs, like, you know, there's like a couple other options. It's like, you know, a boy will turn six and make one of these his entire personality. I was a dinosaur 100%. A dinosaur kid 100%, okay? Like when I was like six years old, that was like my favorite thing in the world.

Eli (13:51.561)
you

Eli (14:00.5)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (14:08.65)
Mm.

Jean-Pierre (14:15.682)
I gotta say, I think my go-to answer would be Velociraptor, but how they are portrayed in Jurassic Park, not like the actual real, not the actual scientifically accurate Velociraptor. You know, as much as it breaks, no, as much as it breaks my heart, I mean, ever since I was a kid, you know, before I was old enough to watch Jurassic Park, we had a...

Eli (14:25.074)
Yeah, not how they actually are. Yeah, not the turkey version.

Jean-Pierre (14:42.706)
this all bbc documentary from like them early two thousand school walking with dinosaurs which was one of it was like it was like one of those it was like is it apple tv country did one more recently but it was kind of like i think actually might be called walk with us was like it was like a reboot so to speak with like more scientific typically accurate dinosaurs better cgi i've gone back and watch some clips of like the one he saw just a kid and at the time i thought

Eli (14:48.272)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Eli (15:04.714)
Sure.

Jean-Pierre (15:12.44)
incredible and now when you watch it's like man this CGI is pretty rough but I mean I used to watch that all the time and so yeah I mean you you got you got to go with with with Velociraptor or I mean who doesn't love the T-Rex I know it's like basic but there's a reason why those are the basic answers

Eli (15:15.996)
You

Eli (15:33.226)
Yeah. yeah. I mean, T-Rex is, I mean, it's, it's an incredible beast, you know? I, I really like, I've always had a, you know, a spot in my heart for the long necks, you know, whether it's brachiosaurus or brontosaurus or apatosaurus, all the long neck ones, those are, there's just some cool dinosaurs, you know?

Jean-Pierre (16:03.394)
You know, I'll be honest, think the Brachiosaurus was, I think that actually was my favorite when I was a kid.

Eli (16:03.677)
is

Eli (16:09.128)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, and you also have Littlefoot, which I think Littlefoot is like a technically an Apatosaurus, I think. Littlefoot. So I took my son to see the LEM before time. They showed it at the theater here in Lafayette. Yeah, so that was fun to show my son that. I don't think he like really latched on to the parents dying at the beginning, but but yeah, that was fun. Fun little. He's five.

Jean-Pierre (16:15.79)
us.

Jean-Pierre (16:24.235)
Gotta give him that childhood trauma that you had,

Jean-Pierre (16:32.782)
You got it? Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (16:38.872)
How old is your son? Okay, yeah, maybe just a hair. Maybe another year or two, he'd be like, you know, he'd break down in tears like we all did, so.

Eli (16:42.536)
Yeah.

Eli (16:49.128)
Yeah, yeah. But yeah, that was was fun. But yeah, I like the long next and then like you said, T-Rex and I really like the is it what are they called? Anklea? Is it ankyl? Osorous or ankle? Osorous or something like that? Yeah, those ones are cool. Yeah, those are cool. But yeah, so the

Jean-Pierre (17:05.165)
The one with the big ball at end of their tail. Yeah, Ankylosaurus, yeah.

Eli (17:15.594)
I guess Stegosaurus are cool too and that's what... I feel like that was the feature of this one. Because that's the reveal you get. It's the Stegosaurus. Ooh, Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (17:25.965)
Mmm.

how it always starts and then there's the running and I love that lot so much dude. What do the kids say these days Ian Malkin is giving brat in this movie?

Eli (17:34.02)
Yeah, the.

Eli (17:41.502)
I don't know what, I don't, I can't keep up with what they're saying these days. He's doing something.

Jean-Pierre (17:46.798)
I mean technically I mean technically he did in the first movie too. There's you know, course There's that iconic pose of him with his shirt off like on the table, but

Eli (17:53.736)
Yeah, I think in the first one he's more, I guess it would be Riz. He's more of the Rizler, I guess, in the first one.

Jean-Pierre (18:02.914)
The Riz- definitely don't say Rizler, I think Rizlord. Riz- Rizlord is the positive, Rizler I think is like I'm not far behind you, I'll turn to 29 in a couple weeks, so you know.

Eli (18:06.538)
Riz Lord? Is that what it is? I don't know.

I'm in my 30s, I can't use these words.

Eli (18:20.343)
I cannot use these words. yeah, I guess every once in a while in like Instagram reels, I'll get like one of those videos where like someone my age is explaining what these words mean. And I'm like, I don't need these videos. don't need to know what these words mean.

Jean-Pierre (18:36.622)
I still help out with the youth group in my church. try and stay in touch with the culture, but you know.

Eli (18:45.212)
Yeah, but yeah malcolm he definitely has something going for him that I feel like he loses a bit of it in the second movie, but that's okay

Jean-Pierre (18:54.732)
I think there's some reasons for that that we can get into for sure.

Eli (18:57.418)
Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, I think so too. Yeah, so it's, it's, 19, mid nineties, probably around, I would guess around 95 ish, Spielberg and Crichton start kind of discussing, a remake or not a remake, but a sequel of Jurassic Park. they, they both kind of originally didn't really have any intention for a sequel.

but alas, everyone wanted a sequel and, you know, it's, it's kind of one of those things where Spielberg was so geeked out to make Jurassic park that when there was so much like traction from it, even though he was kind of one of those guys that was like, I'm there, I don't want to make sequels. He, he kind of gave into the pressure and I was like, all right, I guess let's do this.

Jean-Pierre (19:49.624)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (19:55.938)
Kind of talked Crichton into it. And yeah, you know, he, in fact, I remember Spielberg saying something about like, or Crichton, one of them saying something about how Spielberg wanted to make a sequel, but he didn't want to do it without there being a book. So he talks Crichton into writing the book. Crichton chooses the... Yeah, go ahead.

Jean-Pierre (20:17.55)
Yeah, I was gonna say, I think it's just really interesting how, I guess it's really, really rare that it's like the sequel book is a sequel to the movie, not to his first book, if I'm understanding that correctly.

Eli (20:31.754)
Yeah, yeah sort of. mean he so like at the end of the book and we can talk more about differences of like book stuff later on but like I think people say that because technically at the end of the book the idea that you get is that Ian Malcolm has died and then ta-da Ian Michael is alive at the beginning of the second book and

Ian Malcolm doesn't die in the in movie either. So I think that might be why people say that. But I think he's I think he's just kind of pulling. Yeah, I think he's just kind of pulling a Sherlock Holmes on us. But also, John Hammond dies at the end of the book. So and he he's like the Ian Malcolm thing is kind of like it's never I guess I don't remember it being explicitly like stated. And now Ian Malcolm is dead.

Jean-Pierre (21:04.012)
Which, not gonna lie, that's the better option.

Jean-Pierre (21:12.76)
Maybe so.

Jean-Pierre (21:19.308)
I mean, you couldn't, you couldn't.

Jean-Pierre (21:30.957)
Yeah.

Eli (21:31.333)
But John Hammond is definitely, he's toast at the end of the book. Right.

Jean-Pierre (21:34.082)
I mean, you could not kill Richard Attenborough in that movie. he just gives off such like, I mean, yeah, he created a theme park full of, you know, death machines, but he's just such a, I mean, he's just trying to be a good grandpa, you know? I mean, you can't kill him. They would have had to get like someone way slimier to play John Hammond.

Eli (21:45.86)
Yeah, Yeah, I think yeah.

Eli (21:56.817)
Absolutely, yeah.

Jean-Pierre (21:58.447)
to justify killing a mob. don't know, I I can't really think of anyone off the top of my head who was like kind of around that age and like the, you know, around the of the early 90s, they could have pulled it off. But yeah, I don't, yeah, that would have been really weird to give, because I mean, I feel like, you know,

Eli (22:10.378)
Mm hmm. Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (22:17.196)
I'm pretty sure in the books John Hammond's like, I've heard he's like a much, I've never read them, I really want to. But I've, yeah, he's like a really, kind of he kind of deserves it in the book, you know? But as far as the movie version goes, he's just trying to be a good grandpa and impress his grandkids, you know? He's just a nice, he's like Santa Claus.

Eli (22:23.252)
He's more of like a con man kind of.

Eli (22:29.298)
Yeah. yeah.

Eli (22:36.746)
Yeah, I think in the movie he does deserve it, but they make you feel like you don't want him to. yeah, yeah, Crichton, he does write the second book. same title, names it the same title as Arthur Conan Doyle's 1912 novel about dinosaurs and some high plateau in South America, which I've never read, but it does sound interesting.

I don't know if it's supposed to be really good or not. I haven't really heard.

Jean-Pierre (23:09.454)
Yeah, and it's one of the very, very first kind of sci-fi movies, if you think about it, because they made a... They have like a stop motion, a movie with a bunch of stop motion they made, and fun fact for you, the first version of King Kong from 1933 actually reused footage from The Lost World for the movie.

Eli (23:20.551)
Right.

Eli (23:27.37)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, and they do some stop motion in that too with King Kong fighting the T-Rex and stuff in that movie. Good movie. And a big influence on these movies, in fact. yeah, so the kind of idea of dinosaurs evolving in the wild excited Spielberg. And Cring kind of knew when he was writing the book that

Jean-Pierre (23:40.067)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (23:45.773)
Yeah.

Eli (23:58.67)
kind of knew Spielberg wasn't planning on like staying faithful to his book. And I don't know, in the interviews I watched he was like kind of talking about how he thinks it's unwise for movies to like slavishly follow the book and I almost wonder if he's like, really deep down in his heart he's like wishes Spielberg would have made it more like his book but he's just like for press sake like

yeah, yeah, you know, but they were, they were like pretty good friends. So I think they probably had discussed all that.

Jean-Pierre (24:34.776)
Well yeah, mean especially if there are, you know, those couple of kind of major character differences between the book and the first Jurassic Park movie, then it's like, well, if you want to write a book for the sequel movie you want to make, you've kind of forced my hand to make different decisions with some of these characters. Because like obviously, John Hammond, like I said, doesn't die and he's in this movie very briefly as well. So I'm sure, I'm sure as I can see as a writer, Michael was probably like,

Eli (24:44.382)
Yeah.

Eli (24:50.302)
Yeah.

Eli (24:57.736)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (25:04.783)
You really had to do that, but okay, alright, we'll figure it out.

Eli (25:06.792)
Yeah.

Yeah, it's funny because the first movie is closer to the first book than the second movie is to the second book. There's a lot different between the movie and the book this time around. And the last time they generally kind of tried to follow the same plot points and characters and stuff from the book.

Jean-Pierre (25:37.454)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (25:39.146)
But yeah, Spielberg started working on the film before the book was even published and he you know, he's coming off of the You know, I think I've said it on I haven't recorded the Schindler's List podcast yet But I know on Jurassic Park. I mentioned how this is 1993 was possibly the greatest year for a director ever for Spielberg

I mean, it's easily arguable that having Jurassic Park and Schindler's List in one year is probably the best director year ever. I can't think. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A billion dollar blockbuster basically.

Jean-Pierre (26:18.166)
I mean, it's literally the two different ends of the spectrum of film. know, got something that's like kind of a much more of a high blockbuster, a massively successful, universally loved blockbuster. And then also a massively successful, universally loved prestige drama.

Eli (26:32.936)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (26:37.428)
prestige film like Yeah Prestige history drama. Yeah That you know one They both won all the Oscars together, I guess One for the you know, the the films I like the I guess acting and best picture and directing and cinematography and one for the the more technical stuff, but yeah, so he's coming off of that and

I talked in those episodes about how like that year was just like so rough on Spielberg as anyone could imagine. And, but yeah, so he, said he took, it took him like two years to kind of get back on his feet and recover. And this is what he jumps into. He saw this as his first like real sequel. He doesn't, he didn't really consider like the Indiana Jones movies like sequels.

Because it's such a, you know, it's kind of that serial, that old serial kind of thought of, these are just all different stories in the serial. So he didn't really see those as like pure sequels, just more stories about Indiana Jones. And so, which makes sense to me. They're not like super interconnected plot wise.

Jean-Pierre (27:37.091)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (27:58.925)
Yeah.

Yeah, I wonder if... I guess you could argue they're more like entries into the franchise than they are like traditional sequels because again like I mean well firstly Temple Doom is prequel but then you know Last Crusade you know yes it does take place after Raiders of the Lost Ark but

Eli (28:12.019)
Yeah, yeah.

Eli (28:16.944)
Yeah, technically.

Jean-Pierre (28:25.378)
There's like almost nothing about it that's related as you said. So there needs to be like another word for those kinds of situations.

Eli (28:28.795)
Right.

Eli (28:33.93)
Yeah, I mean, it's like Indiana Jones franchise movie, I guess you could say. I don't know. It does. I guess maybe one day some maybe there is a word out there and we just don't know it. because still Spielberg talked about how he got a bunch of letters from I'm assuming from kids, but it's very possible from adults to wondering why he didn't have a Stegosaurus in the first movie. And so

Jean-Pierre (28:59.542)
Embers.

I can imagine a handful of paleontologists that were like, you gotta put the Stegosaurus in the next movie, man. Come on. You know?

Eli (29:05.15)
you

Eli (29:10.098)
Yeah, I mean, to be fair, like, I don't I don't know why he didn't think of that for the first movie, because what's more like great for the big big screen than those huge back plates, you know? I mean, yeah, yeah. yeah. Yes. So, you know, he he even said it's it was the first true collaboration between him and his audience. He's just like.

Jean-Pierre (29:23.778)
And the spikes on the tail, I mean come on. There's so much you can do with that, which as we get to in this movie, but...

Eli (29:37.992)
Alright, I got to give the audience more of what they want. got the Stegosaurus in there amongst other things. More T-Rex's. know, because technically the book has two T-Rex's already and the movie did not. I only had the one. So got the two in on this one. But yeah, wrote the story. He, he drew some stuff from the first book. So like

There's some comp, the attacks of the compies. So like the little girl at the beginning getting attacked. That's in the, that's actually at the beginning of the first book.

Jean-Pierre (30:15.64)
phenomenal phenomenal opening scene like it's like one of those film openers that I'm like it's like its own short film you know what mean like you could have just put out that and it would have been just so good so good

Eli (30:19.668)
Yeah.

Eli (30:30.448)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, and he's he's like the king of like deaths off-screen. I It happens like multiple times in this movie Yeah, got to keep it PG-13 somehow But yeah, so he he's working with David Kep again who does this did the worked on the screenplay for Jurassic Park, which I was never clear in my research there if

Jean-Pierre (30:40.322)
Yeah.

Eli (30:59.238)
if he just kind of like came in and redid the screenplay that they that he already had from Crichton or if he I'm not sure exactly what what happened there but but yeah Kep works on this with them he wants them to focus on the characters being like hunters and gatherers is how he phrased it so you kind of have the two groups of characters and that's kind of how he characterized them and then kind of putting

in like inserting more like action into the movie, which is definitely there. Yeah. So this is what Kep said. He said that for the first one, people were wondering like, can they do the dinos? Like, can they actually like put dinosaurs on the screen and it looked good? And when they did that, he says you can't just like have more dinosaur, like just do dinosaurs on screen and think that's going to impress people for the second one. Cause they're going to say, sure, you can.

Jean-Pierre (31:34.443)
yeah.

Jean-Pierre (31:53.314)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (31:58.538)
know now you can do the dinosaurs but what can you do with the dinosaurs? And so that's and you can see that in the movie that was a huge influence on like how the movie was written how they like developed the the set pieces probably I was like okay we can do the dinosaurs we know we can do them like let's try to do everything we possibly can with these dinosaurs now. But yeah so

Jean-Pierre (32:03.054)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (32:22.573)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (32:26.518)
along with kept most of the Jurassic parks team signs back on. You've got Jack corner, the paleontologist back as a consultant. ILM doing the CGI again, Stan Winston doing the animatronics. Got some T two T rexes this time, baby stick, a source of baby T rex. yeah. Baby T rex is great. I gotta admit it. He's, he's pretty great.

Jean-Pierre (32:48.91)
Yeah, baby T-Rex, man.

Eli (32:54.954)
I'm assuming it's a little baby boy. It kind of gave me the baby boy feel.

Jean-Pierre (32:58.452)
I so. he's definitely a rambunctious little guy for sure.

Eli (33:06.695)
Yeah, so just rolling through the crew Gerald R. Mullen, if I notice this as Moulton, but it's not Moulton. I don't know the typo in my notes. Gerald R. Mullen, no T, and Colin Winston produced, yeah, but Mullen was a producer on the first one and he's back producing again. Of course, based on the novel by Michael Crichton.

Jean-Pierre (33:19.768)
Guy must be real hot-blooded.

Eli (33:34.696)
loosely I might add. You've got, we just talked about David Kep wrote this screenplay. This is now his second collaboration after Schindler's List with Janusz Kaminski, who will, as we'll see, will become a regular contributor in Spielberg films going forward in his career. His two like career-long staples in

Michael Kahn as the editor and John Williams doing the music. And then yeah just a bunch of names coming back from Jurassic Park. Ron Judkins for the sound, Richard Hymns also doing sound effects stuff.

Jean-Pierre (34:17.141)
Which I would say...

Eli (34:20.457)
The sound is great in this movie.

Jean-Pierre (34:21.666)
Richard Timms might be the unsung hero of this film because there are so many, I mean like speaking of like the baby T-Rex, like there are so many just iconic like noises that they created for the dinosaurs in this film. Like his little kind of vocalization that he does throughout the movie, that kind of groaning sound. I'm not even gonna try and do it, but.

Eli (34:27.49)
I think you're right.

Eli (34:32.168)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (34:39.047)
Yes.

Eli (34:47.86)
Well, even more than just that, so like the, the one thing, one of the things that stuck out to me, and that I even heard on another podcast, them like pointing this out was the, the sound of the grass, the glass cracking, when in the trailer scene, like that, that, that senior, that sound of the glass cracking, is like the thing that holds the tension.

Jean-Pierre (35:07.276)
Hmm, yes, yes.

Jean-Pierre (35:15.628)
I you... Yeah. I don't want to get too much into that right now, but because I'm sure we're gonna talk about it, but that entire sequence...

Eli (35:18.074)
that whole scene. It's all... yeah. So Richard Hymns, yes. Richard Hymns, like well done my man. You did it. And this is... he was on Jurassic Park. I think he worked on some one or two other films even before that with Spielberg. So he's... yeah, he's great. Rick Carter is back production design.

William James Teagarden was an art director. I think these are a couple of new ones. Lauren E. Polizzi and Paul Sonski. I don't remember those names from the first one, but I'm doing some art direction. Stan Winston and Michael Lancieri are back for the mechanical special effects along with Miguel A. Fuertes. And then Dennis Murin doing the visual effects again alongside Randall Dutra.

who was kind of the, I think they called him the motion supervisor. He was in charge of like the motion of the dinosaurs. And Dennis Murin was more of like just the visual effects director. He led the, Dennis Murin led the ILM team in post. So yeah. And then yeah, let's go through the cast. Talk a little bit about these guys. Cause it's a big cast.

Jean-Pierre (36:34.412)
Yeah, that makes sense.

Eli (36:48.588)
It's not like Spielberg's biggest cast of big names, but it's a pretty big one. So you've got Jeff Goldblum, course, coming back as Ian Malcolm, adding some moments of humor to a more dark film, of course, than the first one.

Jean-Pierre (36:58.562)
the goat.

Jean-Pierre (37:06.958)
I feel like the way that he portrays the leading man in this movie maybe was...

a little ahead of its time in some ways. I'm thinking about it right now because I think we see this jaded, reluctant hero a lot more these days. But think about the 90s reacting to the 80s, coming out of the 80s where you had all these macho dudes. I feel like the first one you really see is Bruce Willis as John McClane. And as this guy, he's kind of just...

Eli (37:18.248)
Hmm, interesting.

Eli (37:28.092)
Okay, I see what you mean, yeah.

Jean-Pierre (37:45.722)
in the situation and he's trying to make the best he can with it but but I really yeah I would say that you but I get it I don't think it's I think I think it's worth just so much used to it now because I think the fugitive was like what like ninety-four ninety-three

Eli (37:48.318)
Yeah, I was thinking of Harrison Ford and the Fugitive too. Yeah, late 80s.

Yeah.

Eli (38:03.448)
I was thinking the fugitive was late 80s as well, but I could be wrong.

Jean-Pierre (38:06.014)
No, it's definitely the 90s for sure. I know that much. I know it's definitely a 90s movie. Phenomenal movie too, if your audience hasn't seen it. Yeah, yeah. So...

Eli (38:10.683)
Hehehe.

93, yeah, you're right.

Jean-Pierre (38:18.678)
So yeah, I think, mean, obviously it's Jeff Goldblum's, arguably his most iconic character outside of like maybe like the fly, but I can't even remember the name of the character in the fly. I just know he's in that movie. But I think for most people, myself included, when I think of Jeff Goldblum, I think of you Malcolm. I think he just, he's like Robert Downey Jr. is Iron Man level to me, like just perfect for this role.

Eli (38:31.924)
Yeah.

Eli (38:45.93)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (38:48.833)
And I really, yeah, I really love his character in this movie. I'm glad that we kind of see a little bit of a softer side of him in some ways because he is kind of on dad mode, you know, a little bit.

Eli (38:59.346)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (39:02.382)
But yeah, no, think it's great. I know we're gonna get into the rest of the cast, but I will say outside of kind of the main three, I think this movie has more iconic side characters than the first movie. There's so many good little character actors in this movie that have these characters that are ingrained in my brain.

Eli (39:22.794)
I definitely agree on one of them for sure.

Jean-Pierre (39:28.076)
Like, of course, like, you know, in the first movie, have Samuel Jackson's got a great bit part, you know, he's pretty funny. And then you've got a yeah, I mean, he's probably the most iconic side character outside of like the security director who has the clever girl scene. Right. But this movie, I can think of at least.

Eli (39:32.379)
Yes.

My night.

Eli (39:39.69)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (39:49.154)
three side characters that in my brain are like four, actually I would say at least four side characters in my brain that are like iconic to me from this movie, which we will definitely get it to you, but.

Eli (39:59.72)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that makes sense. yeah, I feel like so my whole thing with Jeff Goldblum is so, you know, we, did talk a little bit about like the success of the actor influencing the book sequel. Like how many times does that happen? but, it, I don't know. My thing with Jeff Goldblum is

Jean-Pierre (40:21.901)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (40:29.058)
I'm not sure if he's playing the same character at all in this movie, which doesn't really have anything to do with him. He's definitely still like Jeff Goldblum. The way he speaks is... that's the thing. Ian Malcolm in the first movie is so just Goldblum acting. And in this movie, it's the same thing. So the little...

Jean-Pierre (40:39.552)
Mm-hmm. He's written differently for sure.

Eli (40:58.418)
stuttering like stuff that he does and the little quips and stuff That's less like Ian Malcolm to me than just Jeff Goldblum. That's what Jeff Goldblum does and does well And so other than that like the character just feels like a totally different Person in this movie, which I thought was weird

Jean-Pierre (41:16.48)
I think you could argue that they may have tried to make him a little more likeable to be a leading man because he's not he's not not likeable in the first movie, but he is kind of He's a little he's a little bit of an antagonist. Yeah, yeah He does have a very sleazy vibe as well. Well, he's a little antagonistic In in some ways

Eli (41:22.196)
They, yeah they told, yeah. Right. He's a little bit of a sleaze.

Eli (41:37.896)
Well, I think the reason he works so well in the first one and in the book as far as that goes is because, yeah, he's pretty pessimistic, sure. And so you could say like, he's a negative character in that way. But I think he really like acts as kind of the along for the ride, asking the questions that we're all thinking.

Jean-Pierre (42:02.656)
Mm-hmm. He's the audience surrogate,

Eli (42:08.134)
surrogate yeah yeah and I think that's why he works so well in the first one and then you try to like twist that character into the leading man and I'm not sure if it totally works it it does it's just like it's on and off for me for this one

Jean-Pierre (42:20.887)
Yeah.

I could definitely agree that as much as I love Jeff Goldblum as this character, I could definitely understand the argument that I don't know that it's a little...

This movie might be a little more well regarded if it was a different character in the lead. So maybe a little more charismatic. Because again, like you said, like he does feel different. I feel like he is charismatic in the first movie. But again, he's like that pessimistic voice, I think, because they wanted to make him.

Eli (42:53.684)
and he's also not having to carry the movie.

Jean-Pierre (42:56.008)
Right, right. Where in this case he does... he's still got that pessimism, but he's a lot softer about it. It's definitely a... I feel like his whole vibe in this movie is just very nonchalant, you know? He's... it's like... which... but which again I do think is arguably the weakest part of the movie even though I do love this one. But I can totally understand the argument that he may not have been the best...

Eli (43:02.377)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (43:08.882)
Yes. Yeah.

Eli (43:17.214)
Hehehe.

Jean-Pierre (43:25.598)
choice for the leading man and I don't know if it's an Ian Malcolm thing or a Jeff Goldblum thing but obviously you could not have Ian Malcolm without a big show Jeff Goldblum. I think this is why he's he's always been more of a character actor like

Eli (43:31.563)
I think it's a Jeff Goldblum. Yeah, I think it's a Jeff Goldblum thing.

Jean-Pierre (43:39.404)
I mean outside of a movie like The Fly, there's very very few movies where he's the lead character and I think that's probably... because even that movie is as fun as it can be kind of as a sci-fi horror, I do think it kind of maybe suffers from some of the same issues where it's just like...

Eli (43:51.07)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (43:56.574)
as much as I love him as an actor and his mannerisms and a lot of times he's not really playing a character, he's just himself in a different role, I do understand the argument of like he's not necessarily the most charismatic leading man per se as much as he is fun to watch perform.

Eli (44:04.296)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (44:13.884)
Yeah, it works for me in the fly because he's just he's playing it so weird and that character has to be so like weird and strange. And and the way he can like totally flip from being like weird nerd guy to like the like kind of macho like he is in the first Jurassic Park that he has to do in that movie. And it still work. It feels the way he like delivers lines makes it feel natural.

and not like scripted and I think that's the strong point but I mean you got to think too like he's just like he's such a stu- like you were saying super strong side character character actor like I mean you think about he's coming off of Jurassic Park where he was that and then Independence Day too where he's the same thing

Jean-Pierre (45:02.266)
Which I think he's a little bit more of a leading man, but he's not carrying the movies. I think it works. But he's great in that film as well.

Eli (45:07.174)
No, he's not. Yeah. And that's the thing. He's a main character in both of those in Jurassic Park and in Independence Day. He you would say he's a like, quote unquote main character, but he's not like the leading man of the movie. He's not yet.

Jean-Pierre (45:13.016)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (45:18.882)
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I already quoted it, but I mean, I love his delivery of the library. He's like, ooh, that's how it always starts. And there's the running and the screaming. And I just, think I love that that's just the energy that he brings. Like this whole movie, he's just like, sure, here we go again. You know what I mean? Like.

Eli (45:39.23)
My favorite line, I think my favorite line was like, yeah, you're, you're not, you're not having the same, you're not having the same problems. You're creating all new ones. You're creating all new ones. I don't know if that's, that's probably a terrible goldblum impersonation, but yeah, there's a lot of, a lot of that. Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (45:51.758)
For sure.

Jean-Pierre (46:00.512)
I mean, maybe a little bit better than mine, I don't know.

Eli (46:08.938)
I don't hate Goldblum in this, you know, I should put a little asterisk on it. I don't think it's like I don't think it kills the movie necessarily. I think this I think the screenplay itself kills the movie to in my opinion, which will we haven't really led on to our like overall opinions. JP is more positive on this movie and I'm a little bit more like mid to negative on it. So that'll be we'll get into that a little more.

Jean-Pierre (46:18.318)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Eli (46:38.94)
little later on but but yeah I don't think it kills the movie I think that there's other reasons for that. Julia Moore plays Sarah Harding. The role was originally offered to Juliette Binoche which I think would have been very interesting and different. She's a French actress I'm trying to think of her most popular movies she's

Jean-Pierre (46:44.942)
Ha

Jean-Pierre (46:56.086)
I literally have no idea who that is.

Jean-Pierre (47:04.652)
Like I've never heard that name a day in my life.

Eli (47:07.974)
She doesn't do a whole lot of like big films. I mean she's been in a few, but like she was in the Gareth Edwards Godzilla, it's probably one of the bigger ones she's been in. The English Patient, she's co-lead in the English.

Jean-Pierre (47:22.638)
Okay. is she the mom?

Jean-Pierre (47:27.914)
Is she the mom that gets killed at beginning of the movie? Is that her?

Eli (47:31.804)
she plays Sandra Brody. So I don't think so. that is? Okay.

Jean-Pierre (47:34.35)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm pretty, yeah, that's, I think I'm almost positive that's the mom that dies in the very beginning, but, guy literally just looked her up.

Eli (47:40.235)
Yeah, she's in Chocolat with Johnny Depp. That's a decently known movie. The forgotten movie Dan in Real Life with Steve Carell. Have you seen that? Okay, Steve Carell and Dane Cook. Yeah, it's like a rom-com kind of. But yeah, so she was offered the role. She did not want to do it.

Jean-Pierre (47:45.868)
Yeah, I've not seen a single of her popular films.

Jean-Pierre (47:55.842)
No.

Eli (48:10.221)
She, I guess a little bit pretentiously in 2016 said that she did not like the lack of strong female characters in Spielberg films. No, but no. I think it was some 2016 interview and they were asking her about maybe that and she was just kind of...

Jean-Pierre (48:18.37)
with Julianne Moore.

Jean-Pierre (48:28.622)
It sounds like somebody's a little bitter that they didn't take the paycheck role.

Eli (48:33.524)
But yeah, Julianne Moore takes the role. She had been in a few, we mentioned The Fugitive, which she was in briefly in 93. I wish she would have had a bigger role in that movie because she was really good in it the short time she was on screen. Shortcuts, which was a Robert Altman movie in 93 as well that I have not seen, but Altman's a pretty, you know, big director.

And then she was the lead in safe by Todd Haynes in 95 which I think was probably like her big like leading role breakout and so her and Spielberg had kind of developed formed a valuable friendship and with this movie and Yeah, I think she's fine in this movie

Jean-Pierre (49:07.726)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (49:18.894)
I'm a-

I gonna say this might be a bit hot take but she She actually might be a worse lead than Ian Malcolm now I mean granted it sounds like this might be a little bit easier a little bit earlier in her career but but I just I just I Really don't necessarily love her in this movie like I Yeah, like like like like I always think of like the

Eli (49:33.78)
Yeah. It is. Yeah.

Eli (49:44.586)
She's really boring in it. But again, I think that's the screenplay.

Jean-Pierre (49:51.03)
It might be, it might be to be honest, but I always think, I mean, I feel like even when I was a kid watching this movie, the first scene where we meet her, where she's taking photos, she's just, I'm just like, this lady, like she's literally taking photos of dinosaurs. And you think that she was taking photos of like a kid's birthday party.

Eli (50:06.184)
Yeah, and she's just like, yeah, if you can't see, I'm just.

Jean-Pierre (50:11.298)
That's not her kid, right? It's like she's like, she like got hired to take pictures at someone else's kid's birthday party. And she's just like, hey, you're here. What's up? You know, and she's like, what? Plus, you know, she also is kind of the character who gets the short straw of like making all the dumbest decisions in the movie, more or less. So that never helps.

Eli (50:24.743)
Yeah.

Eli (50:32.712)
Yeah, yeah, it doesn't. But yeah, I I don't think Julianne Moore's the problem. Because she's obviously like a great actress. But but yeah, definitely not what probably one of her lesser performances, which I would blame on the screenplay. Vince Vaughn, Nick as Nick Van Owen, Spielberg had seen him in a in swingers.

Jean-Pierre (50:44.962)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (51:02.452)
which came out in 96. Spielberg actually saw him before it released because they used the Jaws theme in the movie and he had to prove it. So he had already actually seen him. And that was Vaughn's first leading role and Spielberg liked him and brought him on. And Goldblum in one of the docs was just talking about how he loved working with Vince Vaughn because he was really funny. So you got to have that guy that keeps things light on set.

Jean-Pierre (51:10.126)
Mmm.

Jean-Pierre (51:25.761)
He's great in the movie.

Jean-Pierre (51:30.414)
Yeah, I mean, I love, yeah, I have no issues. Well, I think he's fun. I think he's fun. I love how fast he talks. Like, I don't know if he was just nervous, because this is probably the biggest movie he had ever done at the time, obviously. So I don't know if that maybe was causing some of that, but.

Eli (51:33.918)
He's fine in the movie. I don't have any problems with him, but he's he is a kind of a boring character again.

Eli (51:45.982)
You

Eli (51:50.515)
Yeah, yeah.

Jean-Pierre (51:56.002)
I think that first scene where he's trying to explain all this stuff to Malcolm, Malcolm's just like, uh-huh, sure, uh-huh. It's just so funny.

Eli (52:03.72)
Yeah, uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. I think the dynamic between Malcolm and Owen is pretty good. yeah, keeping with that kind of group, you got Vanessa Lee Chester playing Kelly Curtis, the daughter of Ian Malcolm in the movie.

She, Spielberg saw her at a premiere of Alfonso Cuarón's A Little Princess in 1995 where she was in a supporting role. And I thought this was cute. This is a quote from her. She said, as I was signing an autograph for him, that being Spielberg, he told me one day he'd put me in a film and he did. Yep. I guess he liked her and was like, I'm going to put you in one of my movies.

Jean-Pierre (52:37.613)
Mm.

Jean-Pierre (52:52.664)
So sweet, so sweet. What a guy.

Eli (52:59.676)
And he did. Stuck to his word.

Jean-Pierre (53:02.614)
And I've never seen her anything since, so...

Eli (53:05.064)
Yeah, yeah, she her her career kind of sputtered out after this she was in a few movies before this And then it kind of I don't know. I don't know what happened. I guess people saw her in this and were like maybe not She's fine in it, you know, she's not

Jean-Pierre (53:20.14)
Which, and I think she, yeah, I think as opposed to Julianne Moore, who I just don't think was the right actor for the role, I could see an argument for her role being the weakest part of the movie, and I don't think it's her fault. I think she plays the character as well as she can, but yeah.

Eli (53:29.169)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (53:38.686)
Yeah.

Yeah, she's, I mean, she's going for it. She's, she's rolling the eyes. She's, you know, being upset with her dad, you know, getting the teenage drama feel in there. Yeah. Yeah. She's a prop. She's a prop. Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (53:48.556)
She really is just there to be the inciting incident for to end up on the island. Let's just be honest. She is a plot device, more so than a character. again, not her fault at all. I think she does great for what she's given. And I definitely would agree. Sure, sure. Yeah. I'll give you that.

Eli (54:04.906)
Again, it's the screenplay.

I don't I don't I don't know I don't I guess I don't like David Kep's screenplay I don't know I need to look up at his filmography and see what else he's done and see if it really is like a Kep problem for me

Jean-Pierre (54:26.574)
We also saw in the crew part, I'm assuming it's the same David Kep, who was part of the second unit director for some of this stuff, which for those who don't know, the second unit usually does lot of the big action sequences that involve a lot of stunts. So that way your main director can focus on the main scenes with the main cast, and then your stunt doubles and your second team all do the other stuff. So he probably directed a lot of the really cool, some of the really cool action sequences we get in this movie.

Eli (54:32.882)
Yeah, he did.

Eli (54:38.547)
Yeah.

Eli (54:46.729)
Yeah, well.

Eli (54:51.274)
So I will, I don't think, I don't remember if I have this in the, in the outline or not, but it probably, it might not quite be that. So what Spielberg was doing for this movie to really like keep it rolling was they were doing like 30 to 40 setups every day. so they would be, so like there was an instance in the dock where, they were on like a little river, a little Creek river. And so they would film, they would set up.

on one end of it and be filming, you know, to the, you know, off to the right in that direction. And then while they were filming that they would already be setting up the next set up on the other side of the creek facing the other direction. and so they would just move from one to set to the next and keep filming. and so that is probably something like that. Like Kep is the one that wrote it and knows

Jean-Pierre (55:35.388)
That's actually insane, because I mean...

Eli (55:49.48)
what needs to be happening next and so he's probably going off with the second unit to set up for the next scene before Spielberg gets there. That would be my guess. Because in the docs, whenever there's a big action set piece, you always see Spielberg there. If you watch like the making of docs, which I did. So that would be my guess. There is another dude that did like the aerial.

Jean-Pierre (56:00.174)
It's really possible.

Eli (56:16.094)
directing, second unit directing. Spielberg doesn't usually do those. He usually has like a guy come in to do like the helicopter scenes and stuff like that. But yeah, yeah. One more on the good guy side was Richard Schiff as Eddie Carr, kind of a non-character. Like, I mean,

Jean-Pierre (56:39.442)
He's fun. He's fun. like I like he's he's kind of like the You know who he reminds me of I'm thinking just now if you watch like Atlantis of lost Empire he reminds me of of mole the French guy like he's just like this he's just like this like nervous little shifty guy who you know, but

Eli (56:52.106)
Sure, okay.

Eli (56:56.072)
You know what I thought when I saw him holding a gun, I was like, yeah, that guy's definitely getting eaten by dinosaurs.

Jean-Pierre (57:01.772)
Yeah, I will say, even as a kid, the scene where he's trying to grab the rifle and it's caught in the netting is the most excruciating part of this entire movie. Every time I watch it, I'm just like, just get it out, man. It's just stuck on the front site post. It's not that serious.

Eli (57:08.676)
Yeah.

Eli (57:12.756)
Eli (57:17.53)
Yes

Eli (57:24.495)
yeah so yeah that's that's all the good guys I don't really have any notes on Richard Schiff you know he like not I don't have something very neutral about him Arliss Howard plays kind of our main protagonist as Peter Ludlow Gary Oldman was unavailable for the part and I think that's a huge shame because I think Oldman would have been

Jean-Pierre (57:53.108)
He's always great. I wonder what he would have been filming at this time. Maybe like Leon the Professional, I think.

Eli (57:53.244)
so much better because he's Gary Oldman.

don't remember. It could have been... I'm wondering if it was Coppola's Dracula.

Jean-Pierre (58:09.774)
It could have been that, it could have been, I think I saw the notes that this was in production 95, so could have been Leon the Professional, could have been Fifth Element maybe.

Eli (58:18.462)
Yeah, a couple of those Dracula's 92, so I don't, it wouldn't have been that. Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (58:22.03)
That was a little early. I feel like it was probably either Leon or Fifth Element because it's probably been filming around the same time.

Eli (58:30.482)
Yeah, could have been. But he was not available, unfortunate, because I think Arliss Howard is a little bland as a villain.

Jean-Pierre (58:34.904)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (58:42.742)
It's funny because visually I feel like he looks like the Gary Oldman we have at home, you know?

Eli (58:48.542)
Well, he's not he's not British and he's putting on a British accent. So I don't know if that has something to do with it. yeah, he

Jean-Pierre (58:52.227)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (58:57.122)
I feel like he does well as like the slimy John Hammond. He's the character you're like, okay, I can't wait for this guy to die. He's stupid, he doesn't care about anybody. Yeah, you're like, when he gets his come up in some like... And also he dies in like, I'm sure we'll get into this in the plot, but he dies in like the most like just...

Eli (59:03.998)
Yeah. Yeah.

Eli (59:12.872)
Yeah, you definitely want them to die. That's for sure.

Jean-Pierre (59:26.094)
I don't even know how to describe it. Just like the little, like the little, like the little boy little way, man. I don't know, man. He, he, he goes out like a, like a child. Like it's, it's kind of embarrassing to be honest, but I think it really fits the character really well.

Eli (59:39.114)
pump.

Yeah, definitely goes out like a punk for sure. But yeah, Arliss Howard, he, Spielberg also brings him back for Amistad, which is his next movie. And another one he brings back for Amistad is Pete Possilthwaite. He plays Roland Timbo in this, brings him back again in Amistad. Pete, this dude is just so good. Have you?

You know what I watched earlier this year with my son? We read the book and then we watched the movie was James and the Giant Peach and Pete Possilthwaite like shows up for just like two or three minutes as this like magical guy that gives James like these magic, not beans, but whatever they are. And he's like, as soon as he pops up on the screen, you're like, this dude is crazy and magical and like he just like

Jean-Pierre (01:00:19.192)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (01:00:24.14)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (01:00:37.962)
carries that. I don't know, he just he's just really really good in whatever he ends up in.

Jean-Pierre (01:00:44.098)
He is the testosterone to the 10th degree in this movie. He is amazing. I love that scene where he's like, he's like, where are going? To collect my fee, Mr. Creedy. To collect my fee. You know, just, dude. yeah. yeah.

Eli (01:00:52.743)
yeah.

Eli (01:01:00.455)
He owns it every every time he's on screen he's like he owns it he's and he was the one I was talking about of like He's probably my fate like the one guy that's like a side character that I feel like is actually like I Don't know if he's just like better developed as a character in the screenplay or if he's just like such a good actor that he makes you feel like he is

Jean-Pierre (01:01:21.133)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (01:01:25.645)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (01:01:27.114)
I don't know, it's hard to say. But he's really just now kind of breaking out in film. He did a bunch of British TV work before this. then in 93, he was in the name of the father and then the usual suspects in 95.

Jean-Pierre (01:01:46.76)
I think one of my favorite performances that he has, again, just one of those like, just iconic character actors. I don't think he, I can't think of any leading man roles that he did, but he, you every time he pops up in a movie, it's a good time. I really love him in Romeo Plus Juliet, the Baz Luhrmann version. I think he's like the apothecary.

Eli (01:01:54.398)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (01:02:06.536)
Yeah. Mm-hmm. I haven't seen that.

Jean-Pierre (01:02:10.406)
So he's not in it very much. He's either the apothecary or the friar that... Yeah, okay. So he's the friar that marries them and he's great. He's great He's like one of those actors where you're like, I feel like he was born to read Shakespeare, you know

Eli (01:02:14.078)
His father, Lawrence. Yeah.

Eli (01:02:24.904)
yeah. Yeah. I, I am. He, you know, he really hasn't done a whole lot recently. Like he was in the. yeah. But I mean, like in the, in the lat in those last years, like he really wasn't working as much like into the later 2000s.

Jean-Pierre (01:02:34.737)
He's dead, so...

Jean-Pierre (01:02:45.548)
I think he had cancer, so I don't think he could, you know?

Eli (01:02:49.066)
Yeah, I guess so. mean, like, so in 2010, he was in the town and inception. And so like, those are really like the last two. I'm just all that to say it's a shame like that we didn't get more Pete Possilthwaite later in his life.

Jean-Pierre (01:02:52.94)
disinception.

Jean-Pierre (01:03:01.475)
Yeah.

I thought you didn't know that he had passed away when you were like, he hasn't really done a lot recently. I'm like, what the heck? There's a reason for that.

Eli (01:03:07.068)
No, I knew he had passed away. Yeah, but no, he I mean he passed away what a couple years ago? 2011. I thought it was more recent than that. I guess that's what I was thinking. And yeah, so so yeah, I mean those really were like right there at the end for him. Yeah, that's where I was off was I thought.

Jean-Pierre (01:03:18.503)
I think it was probably at least, yeah I was gonna say it was at least a decade ago. Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (01:03:34.43)
It makes Inception a lot more awkward to watch because his character is like on his deathbed the whole time.

Eli (01:03:40.003)
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's that's true But yeah, all that to say Pete Posse with weight fantastic In fact Steven Spielberg in an interview said that he was one of the best actors he ever worked with Yeah, and so yeah, I love Pete Posse with weight in this movie Roland Timbo pretty pretty good character in a in a otherwise like

Jean-Pierre (01:03:56.364)
I believe it.

Eli (01:04:07.732)
bereft of good character script in my opinion. His right hand man is played by Peter Stormare as Dieter Stark. yeah. Yeah. What's funny is he had just been in Fargo in 96 and he played this like psychopathic brood of a man.

Jean-Pierre (01:04:14.934)
Also iconic in this movie. I love his character in this movie. He's so funny.

Jean-Pierre (01:04:27.33)
Well, but I will say this as well, technically speaking, I don't think his character is Timbo's right hand man. I think it's, yeah, yeah, I was gonna say, Ajay's kind of his like, Pac-Mule second in command guy. I don't, maybe I'm just not remembering correctly, but yeah.

Eli (01:04:36.498)
No? I mean, you have Ajay too.

Eli (01:04:47.07)
They kind of both, they like, they kind of both are, I guess like he is more upset that Ajay dies at one point, but, but yeah, think Stark is one of his main guys on his crew. I mean, he's the only other guy that you know his name. But yeah, I was just, what I was going to say was that he's just been in,

Jean-Pierre (01:04:55.703)
Yeah, yeah.

Jean-Pierre (01:05:04.663)
Yeah, yeah, probably.

Eli (01:05:15.06)
Fargo as this psychopathic guy and he's really only slightly more likeable in this movie which is I just think is funny.

Jean-Pierre (01:05:25.676)
Yeah, he's another one those characters that his death scene you're like, yeah, he deserved it. You know, he was, he, yeah, man, he pushed them. He pushed them to the edge. You know, it's, it's kind of like one of those scenarios where it's like, you know, somebody keeps, keeps like provoking, provoking, provoking some kind of like, like a dog or a cat or some kind of wild animal ends up getting hurt. You're like, I mean, look, we told you not to do that.

Eli (01:05:30.91)
Yeah. yeah.

You poke the copy too much, they're gonna poke back.

Eli (01:05:48.894)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Yeah. yeah.

Jean-Pierre (01:05:55.682)
You know, but, but, yeah, no, he, and I, and it's, actually pretty excruciatingly painful to watch too, cause it's pretty, it's a pretty prolonged sequence of like him, him getting killed by all the compies, you know? Like I remember even as a kid, like the scene where they're like all over his back and everything, I'm just like, gosh, it just, it just makes you, it makes you cringe a little bit, but, but he sells it man, 100%. the one that bites his face and he's just like,

Eli (01:06:05.246)
Yeah. Yes, it is.

Yeah.

Eli (01:06:21.599)
yeah, for sure.

Jean-Pierre (01:06:25.164)
You know, just so good.

Eli (01:06:25.738)
Yeah, we'll definitely talk about that when we get into the production because that's a pretty funny little thing. Yeah you have Harvey Jason play Ajay. I don't really know him from anything else. I don't know if he was more...

Jean-Pierre (01:06:40.546)
But he has one of the most iconic lines in the movie. Don't go into the long dress! Don't go into the long- dude. So good.

Eli (01:06:45.29)
that's true I almost wonder if he was more of like a stage actor or maybe a TV guy because I don't I don't really recognize his filmography at all the only other really like person of note that doesn't have a whole lot to do he has a few like I guess like exposition lines as the as Thomas F Duffy as dr. Robert Burke

Jean-Pierre (01:06:56.75)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (01:07:11.618)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (01:07:13.471)
The thing of note for him is he kind of plays a replica of Robert T. Backer with his beard and cowboy hat, which was like the rival colleague of Jack Horner in the paleontology world. So, you know, yeah. Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (01:07:29.058)
that is kind of funny considering what happens to his character. But he's one of those other people that I didn't know his, I couldn't remember the character's name, but he's definitely one of the visually iconic, yeah, I think he's one of the visually iconic characters in the movie for me, just with the hat and the beard and just a couple of scenes he has, you know, he's great. He's great.

Eli (01:07:39.144)
Yeah. He, mean, he has like five lines.

Eli (01:07:50.506)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, and then the last few I have on my notes, you have some returning characters. Richard Attenborough back as John Hammond for two scenes really. Like I almost would bet that he was on set for like one day and they filmed all this stuff and you know gave him his check and let him go home. And he's fine in it, you know, he's perfectly good. He's just doing you know John Hammond again.

And then you have the two kids from the first movie back Joseph Mazzello as Tim and Ariana Richards as Lex. They're in one little scene. But I did think it was funny in the one of the making of Mazzello was talking about how he just kind of saw it as Spielberg giving him a graduation present because it paid for his college. I thought that was fun. But yeah.

Jean-Pierre (01:08:27.917)
It's like two seconds.

Jean-Pierre (01:08:44.578)
Yeah.

Eli (01:08:52.913)
As far as I guess we can move out of that and into production now, this is where the fun really begins. I Spielberg had started prepping like 12 months before and really was like sketching out scenes like two years out. they did a lot of like 2d and 3d storyboards and animatics to kind of like make, cause one of the things is like they they're still doing a mix of. Practical and CGI, effects. And so.

They really worked hard on the front end on this one of like getting all of their scenes kind of laid out on storyboards and animatics so they could know like they could basically minimize the amount of CGI they were going to need. Which is really like it saves time in post, but also like more importantly for production money to not do more CGI. So they did a lot of that and then

Yeah, they start in September of 1996 shooting. I saw, can't remember who it was, the doc, but they were talking about they originally were thinking about New Zealand, but that would be too expensive, kind of. So they just kind of dropped that idea. They went back to Kauai in Hawaii and shot some things, but most of the location shooting was done in the Redwood forest of North California.

I think a lot of it is in Eureka, California, fact, which is like north of San Francisco, basically. Yeah, Rick Carter, production designer, was just talking about how the dinosaurs' natural habitat is really more forest, like we see in this movie, than jungle. So they were just kind of trying to be, I guess, more scientifically accurate. But also like...

Redwood forests are like really cool. They look cool. yeah, that's like one, that is one thing that I have gotten to see in my lifetime is redwood forests and they are really cool. Those trees are humongous. And which is very fitting for dinosaurs to have the some of the biggest trees.

Jean-Pierre (01:10:53.901)
yeah. yeah.

Jean-Pierre (01:11:13.89)
Yeah, very fitting for playing with the apes as well.

Eli (01:11:17.244)
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. but yeah, production design, Stan Winston is back doing the robotics. They, used them as much as possible so that the actors could have real interactions with, the dinosaurs. anytime there's a close shot, it's usually a robot. usually an animatic animatronic, should say dinosaur wider shots.

probably CGI. But yeah, Winston talked about how like working on smoother movements for the dinosaurs. You've got, I mean really like all kinds of different animatronics. So you have like the full bodied ones. You have a lot of the stuff they did with raptors. They would have, you're only seeing like the top half of the raptor on screen. So they'll have like, it's basically like the top half of a raft.

Jean-Pierre (01:12:02.926)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (01:12:13.724)
Raptor and then like you can see all the like gears and pistons down below in the making of Docks.

Jean-Pierre (01:12:16.44)
Mm-hmm.

Which I think it's really interesting that, you know, think in the first film, the raptors are like the main kind of dinosaur that the characters interact with. They're the main threat.

Eli (01:12:28.67)
Yeah.

Eli (01:12:35.187)
Right.

Jean-Pierre (01:12:35.278)
where this film, feel like it's much more T-Rex heavy, obviously. But they still had to give, I mean, people would have rioted if they didn't have the Raptors. So they had to give them something, and they do have one of the most iconic kind of sequences of the movie. So it's nice to see them, but it is interesting how they did kind of really only really mainly use them for that one kind of main sequence and set piece.

Eli (01:12:39.718)
It's... yeah.

Eli (01:12:46.377)
Yeah.

Eli (01:12:52.126)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (01:13:03.794)
Yeah. Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (01:13:05.432)
And then I think of like, honestly, and you think of like the third movie, like they're in there a little bit, but definitely that's, mean, the Spinosaurus is the main thing for that, you know? It was, it was.

Eli (01:13:16.738)
yeah, I like good Spinosaurus. It was pretty cool. gotta admit it. I did rewatch the third one too. so yeah, we can talk about that later, but, I mean, yeah, the Raptors, the Raptors are probably like the most CGI'd, because in this movie they're, they're like moving and jumping around a lot.

And so there's a lot of CGI for the Raptors, I think.

Eli (01:13:54.074)
There's just a lot more CGI in this movie overall They you know Obviously, they're using it for more complex movements. They do CGI But yeah, I mean the stegosaurus herd is CGI The kind of I called it the dinosaur stampede whether you know riding the jeeps and the motorcycles through other dinosaurs like that's all all those dinos are CGI

Obviously the T-Rex in San Diego is all CGI. There's a lot more CGI in this movie. I think Spielberg was talking about it's kind of almost 50-50 between real and CGI. I think there was around 60-ish CGI shots in Jurassic Park, which isn't very many.

Jean-Pierre (01:14:50.016)
Mm-hmm. mean that is yeah, that is like nothing Your average blockbuster these days has thousands of VFX shots

Eli (01:14:50.895)
compared to these days. Yeah. It's like nothing.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and really like this, so this movie has significantly more, but it's still only like several hundred CGI shots. So it's significantly more than the first one, but still like relatively like tame compared to movies today. I mean, by the time like the Phantom Menace came around, there was like a couple of thousand CGI shots. And then that kind of became the standard for big blockbuster movies.

But yeah, they really like, they worked on getting more like agility in the dinosaur movements. I talked about Dutra, who was the motion supervisor, worked a lot on that. And really like they did, they just really did a lot of work to make sure that Steven Spielberg could use the cameras and the camera movements that he wanted. you know, whenever he would ask them, they would be like, yeah, you know,

We'll make it work whatever you're wanting to do. So it makes the work harder in post to make sure the dinosaurs are like look like they're actually in the scene when you're moving the camera around like Spielberg does. But yeah, it's worth it. They do a good job. ILM does a really good job with the CDI.

Jean-Pierre (01:16:14.083)
Yeah.

What they do they do and I I would say it at least that was that was kind of their prerogative going into it I think the problem that we have a lot of times nowadays with with VFX artists is that they

They kind of just handed stuff and forced to work with it and with like very limited time and resources. At least in this case, was like, firstly, you have a director like Spielberg who's going to respect his crew, but also like they're like, yeah, like we're here to support your vision, whatever you want, you know, as opposed to how it often works these days. But, yeah.

Eli (01:16:40.084)
Yeah.

Eli (01:16:44.211)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (01:16:51.582)
Yeah. And in fact, one of the guys in the making of Spielberg was like describing something that he wanted. And the guy was like, if that's what you want, we'll make it happen. And I was like, that's cool.

Jean-Pierre (01:17:04.94)
Yeah, I mean that when you're on a Spielberg set, that's, you know, yeah.

Eli (01:17:09.316)
You kind of have to say that. I know that's what I would say. I'm like, I don't know how I'm going to do that, but we'll make it happen. Obviously there's some, there's some puppetry work going on too. We talked about Raptors. There's, there's several sequences where they have like a guy like outside of the frame that has like a Raptor arm that's like clawing at something with just a, and then the probably the best like

Jean-Pierre (01:17:14.402)
Right.

Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (01:17:32.822)
I will. Yeah.

Eli (01:17:39.53)
Puppetry stuff is the the comp we talked earlier about the comp is on a shirt on a stark shirt so though they made this like Shirt that he was wearing with all these like compy puppets attached to it that they were like I guess they were moving them with like little strings or something and then he asked for a puppet that he could control and so the whole thing were like the compy is like pulling on his lip and stuff

Jean-Pierre (01:17:45.176)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (01:17:53.806)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (01:18:08.68)
He's actually like pulling on his own lip with the comfy puppet. Like he said, yeah. And he said he had some like, you know, some blood capsule in his mouth. So he's like pulling on his own lip and like bursting the blood capsule in his mouth. And like, yeah, yeah. Yeah. He, he really sells it. Cause I mean, the reality is he's playing with a puppet and like,

Jean-Pierre (01:18:09.986)
That's amazing. That just makes me love that scene so much more.

Jean-Pierre (01:18:25.71)
Shout out to Peter Stormwear for just 100 % just sending it in that scene.

Eli (01:18:36.98)
fighting himself with a puppet, it looks like it looks like the comp is really attacking him in the yeah.

Jean-Pierre (01:18:38.51)
He's yeah, he really sells the pain the pain of it, you know and I love you know, you said you say that super kind of the king of off-screen desk cuz I really loved the shot when he finally kind of goes off screen and the camera kind of pans and you start to see like Kind of like red. Yeah the red. Yeah, just so so good. So good

Eli (01:18:52.786)
Yeah!

Eli (01:18:59.294)
blood coming around the log yeah yeah well you have that you have the the blood coming around the log in the water and then you have more blood and water when is it the it's the the paleontologist guy the cowboy hat guy yeah he yeah that's his blood coming down the waterfall so yeah really great off-screen deaths like I said the king

Jean-Pierre (01:19:17.664)
Yeah, it mixes with the waterfall. Uh-huh.

Jean-Pierre (01:19:23.296)
Yeah. Yeah.

Eli (01:19:29.246)
king of off-screen deaths. Yeah, the other like, I guess you would

Jean-Pierre (01:19:33.964)
Which just makes me want another, it just really makes me want a rated R dress-up park movie where they just go full on. Which I've heard rumors that the new one might, but I can't substantiate that. Don't quote me on that.

Eli (01:19:39.987)
Yeah.

Eli (01:19:44.369)
Okay.

Eli (01:19:47.923)
whatever whatever even if I still haven't seen the two most recent Jurassic worlds I will definitely go see Gareth Edwards one

Jean-Pierre (01:19:56.398)
Yeah, because I've heard, I think it's kind of like a low-key, not a reboot of like the whole franchise, but like it's like a low-key reboot of like the Jurassic World maybe? I don't, again, I gotta do some more research, but I'm, yeah, we can talk about that a little bit later, but I'm very interested.

Eli (01:20:04.924)
Okay. That would be a good move. Yeah. Yeah, we were, we were talking, I think it was before we started recording. we were kind of talking about how, we both thought the Jurassic world was, was, not bad. And then I haven't seen the most recent two. but we were both talking about how we were excited because Gareth Edwards is set to direct.

whatever next Jurassic World, I don't know what it's called, but there's like a new Jurassic World movie that Gareth Edwards I think is really good.

Jean-Pierre (01:20:39.574)
I can't remember right now.

Jean-Pierre (01:20:44.878)
The cast is pretty solid. The couple shots of the behind the scenes we've seen so far look pretty sick.

Eli (01:20:52.638)
Yeah. Yeah. yeah, it's interesting. I'm interested in it. but, yeah, I mean, going back to this, the only other, okay. Well then yeah, that's in the name that it's going to kind of reboot it, I guess. which it probably needs, cause the, from what I've, what I can tell the last two have not been well received.

Jean-Pierre (01:21:03.464)
It's called Jurassic World Rebirth, I think is what the name of it is.

Jean-Pierre (01:21:17.612)
Okay. Yeah, I heard, I never, I was kind of vaguely interested in seeing Dominion, but I started hearing it was really bad and didn't go see it and I still haven't had a chance, but.

Eli (01:21:25.684)
I'll probably watch them eventually.

Jean-Pierre (01:21:28.206)
I will say it's it's it the synopsis is that it's five years post dress world dominion So when dinosaurs and humans are kind of like coexisting once again, it says an expedition braves isolated equatorial regions to extract DNA from three Massive prehistoric creatures for a groundbreaking medical breakthrough so All right, so almost kind of sounds a little

Eli (01:21:34.441)
Okay.

Eli (01:21:38.791)
Alright.

Eli (01:21:51.688)
All right.

Jean-Pierre (01:21:57.422)
Planet of the Apes reboot-esque in a way.

Eli (01:22:00.178)
I was, I was just thinking like, kind of has a, when you were talking about like humans and dinos living together, I was like, maybe planet of the apes kind of feel like,

Jean-Pierre (01:22:10.254)
Because basically, at the end of Fallen Kingdom, the dinosaurs they save from the island before the volcano erupts, they're brought to this mansion. This is all spoilers, but I'm saving you and your audience from having to watch these if they haven't seen them. They bring them all to this mansion and they have this private auction where these rich people are calling and trying to buy the dinosaurs.

Eli (01:22:25.116)
well. Yeah.

Eli (01:22:34.474)
Sure.

Jean-Pierre (01:22:35.146)
And they end up, it's like Grady, Chris Pratt's character is there. think Bryce Dallas Howard's character is there, and like this little girl.

That's like the daughter of the person that's doing this or the granddaughter and also you know finding out that she's a clone of her mom But she also has like partially dinosaur DNA It literally it was the only thing it was the only thing in the trailers They did not reveal I remember when the final trailer for that movie came out which I had not watched But then I went and saw a movie and they had it in front of the movie It literally spoiled 95 % of the plot. The only thing that wasn't in the trailer Was this and it's like really they don't like directly tell you but it's like this really settled moment

Eli (01:22:55.506)
Okay.

Eli (01:22:59.55)
All right.

Eli (01:23:12.394)
You

Jean-Pierre (01:23:18.916)
where you realize that not only is she a clone of her mother, that they also spliced her with some kind of slight dinosaur DNA because she says something along the lines of like, have to let them all go because I can feel them or like I'm part of them and they're part of me or something like that. So they release all the dinosaurs, like there's like probably a couple hundred in this mansion and I guess that's kind of what leads to Dominion where now the dinosaurs are like out in the wild living on planet Earth. I don't know how

Eli (01:23:28.874)
Okay.

Eli (01:23:37.022)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (01:23:48.436)
they get as widespread as they apparently are but yeah so so there is like you know it's kind of like a reality where dinosaurs are just part of human existence again you know from what I understand something like that

Eli (01:23:48.81)
All right.

Eli (01:23:59.998)
That's fair.

Well, I have a son and he likes dinosaurs, I might eventually see these movies. so we'll see. We'll see how that goes. but yeah, I guess like pulling us back off of that rabbit trail back to a dinosaur stampede, lots of CGI in the dinosaur stampede. I, this whole sequence, like the stuff with the Paki, which

Jean-Pierre (01:24:07.2)
I'm sure he would love him, you know?

Jean-Pierre (01:24:19.18)
Hahaha

Eli (01:24:31.316)
That's what I call it because I can't ever remember the full name. It's like, is it just Pachyasaurus or is it longer than that? I don't know. It's the it's the fryer tuck looking one with with the head, the head budding one. Yeah, that that kind of works.

Jean-Pierre (01:24:38.291)
it might be.

Jean-Pierre (01:24:43.01)
with the bonehead yeah it's pachycephalosaurus no wait that doesn't look like right one

Eli (01:24:52.796)
Yeah, I could, I was not going to remember that. I think that's right. I think now that you say that, I think that is right. It's not though.

Jean-Pierre (01:25:01.315)
I just looked at the picture, didn't look like right, but I'm trying to look at it properly.

Eli (01:25:03.702)
Okay, well anyway, I thought that was fine I Think one of the problems here is like they got they might have gotten a little bit ahead of themselves with the CGI stuff

Jean-Pierre (01:25:18.271)
no, is that one, yeah, Pachycephalosaurus. Okay, you're right.

Eli (01:25:21.01)
Okay, yeah, the Paki, that's what I call it. Yeah, I think they say the full name like once and then they say Paki.

Jean-Pierre (01:25:23.534)
I think that's what they call it in movie too.

Jean-Pierre (01:25:29.74)
Which, you know, I don't blame him.

Eli (01:25:31.4)
Yeah, which I I never understood why that was like the one there's like all these cool dinosaurs and they're like we've got to get the pacci like ignore everybody else ignore all these other cool dinosaurs. This is the one we're after. Yeah Yeah, yeah, or I think they do they are going after like a Parasaur parasaur lophis parasaur

Jean-Pierre (01:25:43.574)
I mean, it's a cool dinosaur. It looks cool. It's got a cool concept, you know?

Eli (01:25:59.612)
Olifus or however you say that. Yeah, I think they're doing one of those two But yeah, it's a lot of CGI I think and this is like the main sequence I can think of where it just feels like they got a bit ahead of themselves with the CGI stuff because it just in the first movie the CGI stuff is so like Contained it's it's so spare and it's mostly other than like the brachiosaurus

Jean-Pierre (01:25:59.978)
Yeah, the one with the big... the one with the big,

Jean-Pierre (01:26:20.152)
These are very sparingly.

Eli (01:26:27.26)
Reveal it's like mostly like in rain and dark scenes this scene just like looks so cgi'd And i'm like man, they I think they got a little bit ahead of themselves with this. They weren't quite It doesn't look terrible. I'll say that there's not anything in this movie that just looks terrible but it's just it's just yeah, it it's just the fact that you can just tell that it is cgi in those screens and it kind of like

Jean-Pierre (01:26:48.855)
Me tie a limb.

Eli (01:26:57.962)
takes you out for half a second of the movie because you're thinking about how it's CGI and not really there. It's not a huge... that's just kind of a quibble. It's not like a real big problem with the movie. I just feel like maybe they got a little too excited about how good they were at CGI before they really were, you know... I mean, the Jurassic World movies, you know, it looks incredible because the CGI is there for it to...

Jean-Pierre (01:27:13.038)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (01:27:21.322)
Yeah, I

Jean-Pierre (01:27:26.11)
Well, I mean, I would argue in a way, obviously the CGI is better, but in some ways it's worse because it is so, because you know it's so much CGI. So it's really hard for me sometimes to watch like a lot of like these really big blockbusters that come out these days and you'll have entire sequences where you know everything you're seeing is CGI. it's sometimes it really takes me out of the movie, but I

Eli (01:27:33.307)
right.

Eli (01:27:39.571)
Yeah, yeah.

Eli (01:27:51.336)
Yeah, no, I agree. Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (01:27:53.504)
I will say, we were talking about the sound effects team.

earlier and I think about this scene again, I think they are really the unsung heroes because again like the the big dinosaur with the big kind of crest it's like bellows sound that it makes as it's being kind of taken down tranquilized and like throwing the guys around so iconic and then there's that scene where like you know it kind of lets out a long one and it cuts up to like Ian Malkin and the gang on the cliffside watching all of it and they're all like really upset and sad I remember even as a kid I was like I'm also upset and sad

Eli (01:28:05.226)
Yeah.

Eli (01:28:09.503)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (01:28:13.992)
Yeah, yeah.

Jean-Pierre (01:28:27.766)
like it felt like it just felt it felt so like like the noise it made really evoke that emotion of like Yeah, and this is this is like not really nice guys, you know

Eli (01:28:34.153)
Yeah.

Eli (01:28:37.94)
Yeah, well they did a lot. They did do a lot of work trying to make all the dinosaurs sound distinct, which I think they did a really good job of. And then like, you know, that that's a huge actions at peace. I do think like some of the stunt work is good, like the little Jeep that the Paki crushes. They like they did a rig on that Jeep for it to like dent itself in and then like, you know, pull the

Jean-Pierre (01:28:44.557)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (01:28:48.032)
yeah.

Jean-Pierre (01:29:06.924)
Also the Jeepster is so freaking cool with like all the different attachments and there's like the scene where the guy is like on the chair and he like slides out and like It's like watching that James Bond movie or something man. I'm like, what the heck? What are all these gadgets?

Eli (01:29:07.526)
Stuntman out with a cable. Yeah. yeah.

Eli (01:29:17.417)
Yeah.

Eli (01:29:21.67)
What it feels like to me is like Spielberg and his buddies like, okay, what toys do we want? Let's come up with what toys we want for merchandise and let's make sure we get those vehicles in the movie.

Jean-Pierre (01:29:28.407)
Hahaha!

Jean-Pierre (01:29:33.612)
It's like, like each, it's like, I love how in that sequence, it's like each dinosaur they're trying to capture, they have like a different vehicle for it. Because, because they have, have, it's true.

Eli (01:29:40.476)
Yeah, uh-huh. Which sounds like merchandise to me. And hey, know, go, like, I'm all for it, you know, make cool stuff, make cool stuff in your movie so it'll have cool toys, you know, go for it.

Jean-Pierre (01:29:54.402)
Fair enough, yeah, but it's just, it's so sick. It's so sick.

Eli (01:29:58.056)
Yeah, kind of on the complete opposite end of the spectrum is the Baby T-Rex, which is kind of a technological advancement for the animatronics. It was a fully autonomous little T-Rex robot. No wires coming out of it, which usually these animatronic things had wires going out to whatever was controlling them.

This was a fully remote controlled little robot. they were, there were people like controlling its movements and it's and whatnot for a long like they were basically like acting alongside the actors with this remote controlled baby T-Rex. And I think it works really great. Cause that first one, when they were carrying it, when I, when at first they were carrying it, I was like, that's

Jean-Pierre (01:30:46.058)
yeah. yeah, like all the...

Eli (01:30:53.878)
You know, pretty good job at the CGI on this dyno, but then at some point I realized like that's not that's not CGI. That's really there.

Jean-Pierre (01:31:02.71)
Yeah, no, I mean...

I like all the all the main sequence I mean I think there's like a little bit of CGI for it like maybe later on the ship I can I think like like like the scene yeah yeah but but the whole sequence where they you see it out there they have it like kind of chained up trying to call like the parents to it and then they rescue it like the scene where they're carrying it in and it's like head and tail are going and even when it's on the table and like yeah just it's all it's so it's so good it's all so good

Eli (01:31:11.966)
Yeah, yeah. When it's up and moving, yeah.

Eli (01:31:23.167)
Yeah.

Eli (01:31:31.56)
Yeah. Well, then when you hear to like Vince Vaughn and Julia Moore talking about like working with it, it's like it's kind of like a lesser version, but similar to like hearing the actors talk about working with E.T. like it's yeah, they're like, yeah, it's a animatronic like puppet, but it's also like you feel like you're actually acting with something real that has emotion. And yeah, I thought that was cool.

Jean-Pierre (01:31:54.382)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (01:32:00.11)
I think it also helps that it is outside of the Rapture attack scene. It does feature in the most iconic part of this movie, I think is also very easily arguably the best scene in the entire film, is the RV T-Rex attack sequence.

Eli (01:32:19.315)
Yeah, sure.

Eli (01:32:25.502)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (01:32:25.85)
And I just think that they really do a great job of from the moment that they show up with really the moment they drive by and you hear it bellowing and Ian Malcolm and Kelly are up in that like the high hide, the high hide. We're gonna go high, we're gonna hide. And they hear it go by and she's like what was that? And he just kind of has this look.

Eli (01:32:41.726)
The high hide. Which that's in the book too.

Jean-Pierre (01:32:53.014)
You know, and you just know it's about to get bad. Something bad's about to happen. And then it starts pouring rain and you're just like, yeah. That's true. That's true. That was, yeah.

Eli (01:32:54.388)
Yeah, yeah. yeah.

Well, you don't know there's two at that point, That's kind of the reveal in the trailer that there's two of them, which is a great reveal. It really is. Do know what the sound was that they used for the baby T-Rex? They had they they did this recording of a baby camel and they kind of separated it away from its mama camel. And those were like the cries of a baby camel separated from its mom.

Jean-Pierre (01:33:08.269)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (01:33:13.944)
I have no idea.

Jean-Pierre (01:33:28.514)
That's really sad, actually, but I mean, it works. I mean, that's exactly what it feels like. It feels like a baby crying out for mommy and daddy, you know?

Eli (01:33:30.47)
It is. It is very sad. It does work.

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Eli (01:33:42.44)
Yeah. Yeah, but let's let's talk about, yeah, let's talk about the trailer sequence stuff in a second because we've got to talk about these two T-Rex's. They were so heavy that they basically stayed on their tracks and they built the sets around the T-Rex's. I think they weighed like eight or nine tons each. And they were just like, we're not moving these things. We're going to build a set around it.

Jean-Pierre (01:34:05.56)
day.

Eli (01:34:10.41)
tear the set down and build the next one around the T-Rex. So that's what they did. So yeah, even like the waterfall, the whole waterfall scene is like this portable waterfall that they built so like, so they can move the waterfall around and yeah. Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (01:34:29.262)
I mean, it works because they're in a cave behind it. So I'm sure that was a very, was like a little box they built all of that in, I'm sure.

Eli (01:34:36.114)
Right, no it is, yeah. But yeah, the T-Rex's were more powerful than the original and had a little bit more finesse. They were like very much smoother moving. They could like... Go ahead.

Jean-Pierre (01:34:48.782)
Do know if they had... I'm sorry, go ahead. I was gonna say, do you know if they had some of the same issues where I know I've heard that the original T-Rex animatronic got really waterlogged and it would kind of like shudder accident, like on its own sometimes and like make everybody crap their pants on set?

Eli (01:35:01.128)
Yes.

Yeah.

Eli (01:35:08.146)
Yeah, yeah, so there, yeah, there was similar, but they kind of had worked out the kinks of a lot of that stuff. But yeah, there's you still see like people drawing it off with towels like you did in the first one. But the first one was really like they really just like barely got by with it working like it's supposed to and to and getting all the shots. Yeah, yeah.

Jean-Pierre (01:35:30.958)
This is like one step above Bruce from Jaws, you know?

Eli (01:35:35.462)
this one, seems like they worked out some of those kinks, but yeah, there's still the, mean, cause those move, it's so heavy. So those movements are calculated by, you know, the weight. And so when you're adding all this water, it changes the way it changes the calculations. but I think they did work out some of those kinks. and there, there is still rain in this one. They're all those scenes. So,

Jean-Pierre (01:36:01.698)
A lot. Yeah.

Eli (01:36:03.924)
But the cool thing about these T-Rex is they actually were able to do stuff other than just look around and move their heads. They were actually picking up stuntmen with their jaws. So when it picks the guy out of the Jeep or the waterfall or even when it picks up Ludlow at the end, it's actually the animatronic T-Rex picking up stuntmen for those.

Which is really cool Obviously there's a degree to which if they're ripping you apart you have to switch to CGI, but You know RIP Eddie Carr, I guess They yeah the so obviously one of the pieces that they have to build around these t-rex is the lab trailer and Yeah, they they did

Jean-Pierre (01:36:41.526)
Right, right, right.

Eli (01:37:01.374)
a lot of cool stuff with these different trailers. they obviously had kind of different trailers built for different parts of it. You have the pulling through the mud trailer, you have the rolling trailer for when the T-Rex knocks it, you have the hanging trailer, which there was a couple of those. There was one hooked to a crane in one of the Universal Studios sound stages. And then they also had one in a parking deck outside the studio.

They built, they like decorated the parking deck to look like the cliff and hung the trailer off of a, with a crane off the side of the parking deck, which was really cool. And they're using like, they do some blue screen stuff underneath the trailer as well. But yeah, I thought that all that was really cool. And you know, you've got the glass shattering tension building there.

Jean-Pierre (01:37:34.43)
well.

Jean-Pierre (01:37:48.878)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (01:38:00.042)
yeah, all of the production for that is really good. It's probably the best, like, as far as like the production design goes, I think from the whole movie. And it sounds like you agree.

Jean-Pierre (01:38:14.112)
Yeah, no, I think that's definitely one of the strongest elements of the movie. As much as they kind of are like, well, they know we can do dinosaurs, but what can we do with them? think they also were like, you know, because obviously the first film is set in the park primarily.

Eli (01:38:31.785)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (01:38:32.328)
So it's, it looks like there's a lot of secrets that look like theme park. This one's like, they're actually like out in the wild, you know? So I think they, they do a great job of just really, really the set design overall, like whether it be that sequence, whether it be kind of like the little outpost where they have the Raptor attack.

Eli (01:38:39.273)
Right.

Eli (01:38:47.604)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (01:38:53.812)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (01:38:54.304)
You know, just like I kind of said, like I think when they're on the second island, I think it's a better movie than the first film in a lot of ways for me personally. Like even if, you know, we can, yeah, I can definitely agree with maybe the screenplay itself isn't necessarily as strong obviously, but I guess I just really love all the big action sequences that they really swing for in this film.

Eli (01:39:16.254)
Yeah. That's fair. Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (01:39:18.978)
My chair is just my chair. It's slipping down. I've got to get a new one. like, it'll slowly... You'll probably go watch this back and you'll see me slowly let go. Yeah.

Eli (01:39:28.586)
slowly moving down. man. at least it doesn't drop as fast as the trailer drops around them. but yeah. yeah, I mean, that's, I will say that sequence, it's especially like the whole, going back and forth between. So I think the stuff inside the trailer is really good. The stuff outside the trailer with Eddie.

Jean-Pierre (01:39:38.808)
Yes, it's true.

Eli (01:39:58.159)
is fine I guess it feels really drawn out

Jean-Pierre (01:40:02.752)
It does. I like it. Just outside of fact that like Eddie, much like the... What's the guy's Howard. Like his death overall is just really wimpy, you know? But I do enjoy it as well, you know?

Eli (01:40:14.377)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Eli (01:40:21.918)
Yeah, I guess it's just like it's the way it's written. It's like, okay, he he's just he just like he slips and it's just like, I don't know. There's something about it. That's like the way that they're trying to build tension. It feels like Spielberg for some reason with this was really lazy with how you wanted to build tension. And I feel like that's very uncharacteristic for Spielberg. He's usually like

really good at finding creative ways to build tension and just like dude slips in mud like over and over again just is really like lazy tension building to me and it just made me roll my eyes like i wasn't like is he gonna make it i was just like come on like

Jean-Pierre (01:40:57.731)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (01:41:03.085)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (01:41:08.982)
Well, and I also think one thing for me, like even as a kid, I was like, why does he think he could pull that giant RV trailer with his little Subaru Outback, you know?

Eli (01:41:19.274)
Sure.

Eli (01:41:23.176)
I mean, if you have like a strong enough winch, I guess you could. but yeah.

Jean-Pierre (01:41:27.128)
fair. but the problem is even with the winch though is that his car doesn't have enough weight to be the base.

Eli (01:41:34.122)
Yeah, you've got to tie the back end to something, which I can't remember if he did that or not. I guess not, because it starts dragging the Jeep.

Jean-Pierre (01:41:41.26)
Well, think if I remember, yeah, yeah. So if I remember at first he tries to do it with just the Jeep and then he tries wrapping around the tree stump and then trying to like use that as like a, as like another winch almost, you know, so he did what he could. He, you know, he was doing the best of what he had.

Eli (01:41:49.832)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah anyways I don't know that that scene kind of aggravated me because it's going it's going back and forth between like doofus slips and mud to like julianne moore on cracking glass which is really interesting yeah it was

Jean-Pierre (01:42:07.094)
And that was some muddy mud, That's like the thickest, nastiest-looking mud I've ever seen in my entire life.

Eli (01:42:18.371)
Yeah Yeah, you know overall it's good the My favorite part about that whole thing is between it's it's hard to decide between like the reveal of the second t-rex like peeking through the other window and like the glass shattering like That whole tension building with the glass shattering. Those are probably my favorite two parts about that whole sequence, but But yeah, it is a long sequence because by the time from the time

from like T-Rex's show up and peek in the trailer to like trailer finally falls and they get pulled up is like, it's a good little chunk of time.

Jean-Pierre (01:42:57.548)
It feels like almost like, I would say like from them, when they start doing like the little surgery to fix the baby's leg to that, I mean, it's gotta be like 20 minutes. If not, maybe longer.

Eli (01:43:06.27)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (01:43:11.026)
Yeah, yeah, it's a that's why I'm saying like there's several times in the movie where it feels like those sequences are just like way too drawn out like this if this to me it's like if this was like our 45 minute movie instead of like over two hours because this is the longest of of these movies like I think this is even longer than Jurassic World. It just feels like they could have shaved off and made

made it a little bit tighter. don't know. but yeah, the next, the, the other like set piece that I thought was like really, really cool design was the Raptors in the grass. Just like great, good stuff. they, they actually like grew the, that grass to the right height, for that scene. And then they, they, they had like mowed down.

the lanes for the Raptors to go down there. They mowed down the lanes and then they put the tracks in and they had the Raptors on their tracks going through the grass. And then in post ILM went back in and animated the grass back in and then obviously had it animated going down.

Jean-Pierre (01:44:20.046)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (01:44:24.808)
wow.

Jean-Pierre (01:44:28.931)
Which I feel like, I feel like you can, like with the eye I have now, I feel like you can definitely...

Eli (01:44:34.249)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (01:44:36.558)
It's like a little bit of CGI, but dude that the wide shot of the yet the wide shot well cuz it's dark You know you know you know something bad's gonna happen because the guy notices it and he's like don't go into the long grass Do that that wide shot where it's kind of a bit of an aerial shot and you just see You just see all the lanes of grass being like like so just just you I mean you know like man There's so many people about to die

Eli (01:44:38.92)
Yeah, in the moment though it works. Yeah.

Right.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Eli (01:44:54.524)
yeah.

Eli (01:45:00.222)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, yeah, it's great. But then again, when when Malcolm and Harding and Kelly get to like the I don't even know what that is, like the outpost or whatever. The whole like Raptor chase is just like. It was another like eye rolling thing, because it's like these are incredibly like physically.

like impeccable and smart beings. And just none of the, nothing that happened made sense to me. Like there's a Raptor standing riding right in front of you. It's supposed to be this like super smart pack hunter. And yet like you can fend it off with like a broken off door. I'm just like, I don't, I'm not buying it. Like, you know, and it was like really drawn another example of like,

this is like really drawn out like that whole sequence is like feels forever long before they finally like getting the chopper. So.

Jean-Pierre (01:46:07.777)
She defeats the rapture with the power of gymnastics.

Eli (01:46:10.266)
with gymnastics. And then he's like, they kicked you off the team, huh? And I'm just like, huh? I'm not buying that. Like, you know, I don't know how she's supposed to be 13 year old girl is like,

Jean-Pierre (01:46:24.908)
She definitely looks lot older than the character she's supposed to be playing for sure.

Eli (01:46:27.708)
Yeah, gymnastics kicks this Raptor. Like, I'm not buying it.

Jean-Pierre (01:46:33.276)
I you know, she built up some momentum, you know, to be fair. And that's another one of the parts of the movie where I'm like, I do agree, you know, it is pretty silly. As much as do love the movie, I can admit that it does have its flaws, for sure.

Eli (01:46:36.464)
Yeah.

Eli (01:46:43.837)
Yeah.

Eli (01:46:48.104)
Yeah. Yeah. To me, it's just like,

I don't know, I guess like my main issue is like you build these the Raptors up to be these like incredibly like powerful and smart like pack hunters but then like you can you can just like get away from them so easily over and over again and I'm just like not buying it.

Jean-Pierre (01:47:09.356)
I just remember, I just remember the scene where they're like digging under the door and they look, turn around and the rafter's digging and they start digging faster.

Eli (01:47:18.093)
Yeah. Yeah. And then, and right when they're like starting to get, get where they can get under the Raptors like, hello.

Jean-Pierre (01:47:22.495)
it's so silly, but I love it.

Jean-Pierre (01:47:28.662)
Right, she go, she's like, I love how she like, she like peeks under like two or three times. And then when she finally goes to go under, the reaper's like, rawr, you know what it is. it's great. It's so great.

Eli (01:47:33.769)
Yeah.

Eli (01:47:41.644)
Yeah. yeah, very silly sequence, but the reveal of the Raptors in the grass is, is visually like incredible.

Jean-Pierre (01:47:52.332)
And I think I do remember this scene, I think probably one of the best like tension building moments is a scene where is it Ian Malcolm's in like the Jeep and it's like trying to come through the kind of repeat, repeat like the broken glass thing where it's like, it's like kind of start to get its its snout like through the glass and the Jeep. And I think that's a good sequence.

Eli (01:48:05.78)
Yeah.

Yeah, Mm-hmm. Yeah, that was a that was a not a CGI raptor. That was like a practical raptor, which is cool. And that was I think that's one of the scenes where like there's a dude there's like literally a dude with like a raptor arm on his arm like tapping on the glass.

Jean-Pierre (01:48:16.043)
Right, right, right.

Jean-Pierre (01:48:25.334)
Yeah, because all you really see is like its head and like a little bit of its neck and it's like trying to like get through a little hole that it made. Something like that. Yeah. I believe it.

Eli (01:48:31.018)
Yeah, and there's a claw and that that's literally like a dude with his arm and a raptor arm like, yeah. It looks great on screen. It's just funny to watch it in like the making of because it's just like some dude bent down like out of frame. This movie magic movie magic. Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (01:48:46.926)
That's literally the entirety of cinema bro is like yeah, yeah. It's gonna look silly, you just gotta know that like most of the time it's gonna look amazing on screen but if people really knew some of the silly stuff that goes on behind the scenes, my gosh.

Eli (01:48:56.586)
Heh

Eli (01:49:03.082)
Yeah, there are some miniatures like the Jurassic Park Stadium shots or that's a that's a miniature little set and then the boat crashing into the dock is also a miniature which is pretty cool because it looks really good I think. Yeah, the I guess the last like production thing to talk on is the T-Rex in San Diego.

Spielberg always wanted to end with a Rex in the city as kind of an homage to other big monster movies like King Kong and Godzilla and apparently there's this one called Gorggo from 1961 that I've never heard of before but apparently has a big monster in a city so I'll have to look it up now. Yeah they at one point they abandoned this idea in pre-production they were gonna have

the kind of climactic ending sequence was going to be them leaving the island on the helicopter and then the Pteranodons attack the helicopter, which I think would have been a pretty cool scene because we don't get and really like all three of the first movies, you don't really get much Pteranodon. You get you get some in the three. Yeah, that's true. You do get you do get a good long sequence in three now that I'm thinking about it. And that that's actually a really great reveal.

Jean-Pierre (01:50:21.902)
You get a little bit in Dress Park 3. Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (01:50:29.018)
Which and also great another great reveal scene Yeah, yeah I Was literally say I love I love what he what his face He's like he's like it's a birdcage and you did yeah, yeah

Eli (01:50:33.059)
yeah. you were saying the same thing. Ditto. Coming out of the like fog. man.

Eli (01:50:44.667)
Well, like you have the first time you see the Pteranodon is like he's like it's like walking on the bridge out of the fog. It's like it's really creepy.

Jean-Pierre (01:50:54.966)
Yeah, I feel like that definitely, I mean, even like there's a little bit of in Jurassic worlds. I don't remember much in Fallen Kingdom and I don't know about Dominion, but I feel like there's definitely a missed opportunity in the franchise for more of the flying dinosaurs because they, a lot of ways, they are some of most terrifying, especially for how large they are. Like if those things still existed today, it'd be over. know, we would live underground. You know what mean?

Eli (01:51:11.753)
Yeah, yeah.

Eli (01:51:15.924)
They're huge and they can walk. Yeah. yeah. yeah. They're cause like when it's in, in Jurassic park three, when it's like coming out of the fog, it looks so freaking creepy. And it's, it, it's almost like, it reminded me of like a vampire, like with its like cloak coming out of like some fog. and, and yeah, those things are.

Jean-Pierre (01:51:33.105)
yeah.

Jean-Pierre (01:51:40.28)
Yeah.

Eli (01:51:44.598)
big and scary and vicious but yeah I remember in the first book there's like a whole sequence where they're in the birdcage there are so that was that's another thing that they waited until the third one to use something from the first book but yes like the and I forgot to mention this but the compy attack for Stark is kind of a callback to how

Jean-Pierre (01:52:04.078)
Hmm.

Eli (01:52:13.182)
John Hammond dies in the first book. He's kind of picked apart by Compys in the first book. yeah, that's kind of like a... Yes. Legal fees and some unnamed sickness. At least I don't remember them saying what he's sick with. yeah, that was the plan. They were going to have the flying dinos attack the helicopter. Instead, they end up

Jean-Pierre (01:52:15.085)
Mm.

Jean-Pierre (01:52:22.766)
as opposed to picked apart by legal fees.

Jean-Pierre (01:52:35.842)
He's just old.

Eli (01:52:42.792)
Going back to the T-Rex, Spielberg decides kind of on a whim like, no, we're going to still do the T-Rex at the end.

Jean-Pierre (01:52:51.074)
Which to be honest, I feel like the helicopter attack would have been a lot harder to do with the technology at the time.

Eli (01:52:56.574)
It have been harder to do and, to be fair to Spielberg who it's like half, he just really wanted to do a dino in the city, which is fair. mean, fair enough. You want to do a cool set piece in the city. Fair enough. But also like to be even more generous, like you do kind of have already an emotional attachment with the T-Rexes, you know, with them trying to get their baby back. So it does like add an extra like emotional element.

Jean-Pierre (01:53:23.0)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (01:53:26.42)
to a reason to bring it back.

Jean-Pierre (01:53:27.662)
Yeah, I think it definitely would have been weird to end the movie on the helicopter attack knowing that both T-Rex's and the baby had been captured. And I feel like that would have just kind of left that plot thread just like forgotten about. so I do think as much as it is made fun of and as much as people hate it, I do think this was the right choice.

Eli (01:53:37.584)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah.

Eli (01:53:46.494)
Right.

Eli (01:53:53.576)
Yeah. And I don't know if like, it was just going to end with the helicopter attack and not resolving the T-Rex thing. I don't know if that's the case, but in any case, it was like, instead of the T-Rex, like loose in the city. so yeah, but yeah, they do the T-Rex loose in the city. They used, kind of the Northern suburbs of LA and Burbank and Granada Hills as the stand in for San Diego.

They closed a couple of city blocks as you do for pieces like this and Yeah, a lot of the crew was used as extras like running from the t-rex In fact David Kep the rider. He's the guy that's like running towards the video store I think and gets like caught by the t-rex and Thrown around and I'm like, yeah, let's rip apart the guy that wrote this screenplay

Jean-Pierre (01:54:29.826)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (01:54:42.21)
the briefcase.

Jean-Pierre (01:54:52.611)
Ha

Jean-Pierre (01:54:56.952)
Careful, he also wrote the screenplay for the first one too, right?

Eli (01:55:00.898)
he has screenplay credit. but also they stuck to the Crichton story in the first one. And, so, so yeah, you know, it is what it is. the, my favorite, the coolest thing production wise and this to me is the bus. They like rigged this bus. So like dent itself in similar to that Jeep with the packy. So like when the T-Rex rams its head into the side.

they actually like did that whole you know that the t-rex is added in in post they had to like rig this bus up to like dent itself in and like blow the glass out and you know you have the stumpman on there like falling out of the windows and stuff really cool really fun action set piece

Jean-Pierre (01:55:48.694)
Yeah, I love the moment where they finally get the baby T-Rex and that's what we're going to use to draw it away. I love... Well, firstly, I think there was a missed opportunity to include a scene about what happens on the boat. I think that would have been really interesting. But I think there is a certain level of like, okay, I guess it's just a mystery of what happened to the crew on the boat.

Eli (01:55:57.799)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (01:56:09.022)
Yeah.

Eli (01:56:16.584)
Yeah, I didn't really understand what happened on the boat because the T-Rex was still and it's like I don't know how the T-Rex got the ones on the top on the deck. I don't really.

Jean-Pierre (01:56:26.046)
Yeah, think that's kind of one of the main plot holes of the movie is, you know, what happened to the crew.

Eli (01:56:31.356)
Yeah, I think my theory is that there was raptors up there and then the raptors were like stowed away. So there's probably raptors at the end in San Diego as well on the loose.

Jean-Pierre (01:56:37.742)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (01:56:44.75)
classic. But I love when they pull up with the car and like Ian Malcolm and the T-Rex like basically make eye contact. know? They're like, they have a little stare down. That's great.

Eli (01:56:53.027)
Yeah.

Yeah, and you get the rolling, what is it, 76 or whatever, like the gas station thing. That was fun. Yeah, so it's, you know, it's fine. It feels like it's in a different movie in a way. But, you know, it is what it is. They had fun with it and, you know, it...

Jean-Pierre (01:57:03.608)
Mm-hmm, great.

Jean-Pierre (01:57:14.53)
Fair.

Eli (01:57:22.94)
It does, you do get the satisfaction of the, I don't know if it's the mommy or the daddy T-Rex teaching its son to how to kill using, which that's actually in the book too. Not with, there's not a LUTLO in the book, but the antagonist in the book, one of them gets eaten because the T-Rex doesn't kill, they're like.

Jean-Pierre (01:57:32.682)
Yeah.

Eli (01:57:49.498)
the book it's like the t-rex is carrying the guy and you hear him screaming and the people like the good guys are like wondering like he's not dead like what is the t-rex doing and then you come to find out he was taking him back to his nest to teach his baby how to kill start teaching his baby it was like brutal but yeah yeah sounds more ambient sounds here for the forest they they talked about that

Jean-Pierre (01:58:06.883)
Yeah.

Eli (01:58:20.142)
They did some more recordings of trained walruses, which have you ever seen all the noises that a walrus can make? I think we... yeah. There's a there's a lot. I think I talked about that on the Jurassic Park episode, but they did some more recordings of walruses. They did... I think the stegosaurus sound was recordings of cows through these big tubes.

Jean-Pierre (01:58:28.76)
Definitely heard some, but I'm sure it's pretty extensive.

Eli (01:58:48.006)
Skywalker Ranch. We talked about the baby rex being a baby camel. When the compies are all running it's just like various types of birds flapping, which makes sense. And then the the strangest one of them all is that the Pteranodon sound is the sound of... I can't remember if it was Hymns or

Jean-Pierre (01:58:48.162)
nice.

Jean-Pierre (01:59:02.22)
I can believe that.

Eli (01:59:18.634)
blinking on his name trying to look at look look for it Ron Judkins it was either Judkins or Hymns he talked about like he usually doesn't like to use inanimate stuff but he used his dental floss like pulling out slowly his dental floss for the sound of the Pteranodon which is fun it's always fun to hear like all the random ways they get sounds for the sound effects but

Jean-Pierre (01:59:35.819)
Interesting

Eli (01:59:47.474)
Yeah, one thing that we've kind of touched around but haven't directly addressed is Kaminsky's work in the cinematography. He was going for like a very moody feel. He, you know, he kind of talks about that in one of the making ofs. The, and obviously like the atmosphere of this whole movie is very different from the first movie, you know, in the first movie, it's a theme park. In this movie, it's like,

Jean-Pierre (01:59:55.054)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (02:00:16.764)
it's kind of nature evolving in the wild, kind of going back to that a little bit darker in tone. So yeah, he's, it almost feels a little bit like a war film in the way that Comenci kind of lit it and shot it in a lot of ways. And yeah, you know, the movie doesn't look bad, obviously. So it's hard to like,

Jean-Pierre (02:00:44.248)
Yeah.

Eli (02:00:45.788)
It's hard to find anything to really critique as far as Kaminsky's work on the film.

Jean-Pierre (02:00:53.336)
mean, it's not gonna be a movie that gets posted on a cinematography lover account on Instagram or something, but I think it does really good job of capturing the deep, dark greens of the natural areas and stuff like that.

Eli (02:01:00.199)
Right.

Eli (02:01:09.928)
Yeah, mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, they finished filming in December of 1995. They kind of finished, I think I wrote down nine days ahead of schedule. yeah, I guess it was all those 30 to 40 sets, setups in one day.

Jean-Pierre (02:01:28.482)
Which I mean, you're, yeah, mean, when you're a professional, which I wanted to say on that, just so people are aware, mean, like 10 setups a day is like a lot. So the fact that they were doing 30 to 40, that is insane, but honestly, it's a testament to Spielberg and his team and his level of, and his ability to kind of really get people moving.

Eli (02:01:46.792)
Yeah, and I think

Yeah, Kathleen Kennedy, who's she was she wasn't a producer, but she was an executive producer for this one. She was talking about how like Spielberg is just so like organized and in control of stuff like that, that, you know, it just works because he's he just knows what he's doing.

Jean-Pierre (02:02:04.951)
Yeah.

I mean a massive movie like this ending even one day ahead of schedule is a miracle let alone almost two full weeks ahead of schedule. mean that just really speaks to his professionalism and his commandeering of a set for sure.

Eli (02:02:19.442)
Yeah. Yeah.

Eli (02:02:27.558)
yeah, yeah absolutely. As far as post stuff, post-production stuff, the score, John Williams obviously does a great job. I thought it was interesting, John Williams was talking about how Spielberg never says like, I don't like that when he's listening to his samples, but he'll like make suggestions and Williams was basically like

just kind of saying like Spielberg's really nice and he's never gonna say like that wasn't good and so I really have to like pay attention to like his suggestions and his like reactions and responses to like get a feel for like what direction he wants me to go in but but yeah Spielberg Spielberg talked about Max Steiner who was he was a big composer back in the day he did movies like I mean he did the King Kong score

like movies like Gone with the Wind and like just big movies like that he did the score for but so he was he was really looking for like a King Kong esque jungle rhythm in a lot of the movie for this score and so Williams definitely does that throughout the film it's definitely like a darker more ominous score I think than Jurassic Park which is more of like an all-field kind of score in the end

Jean-Pierre (02:03:40.728)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (02:03:45.812)
Mm-hmm, for sure.

Eli (02:03:54.286)
that episode I talked about how Williams was like a lot of the score he's going for like this kind of cathedral kind of sound of like religious experience you know seeing these dinosaurs and it's just different Spielberg actually said he prefers the score in this movie because it's more complex and has more themes which I guess I get that but to me it's just like iconic score of the first one

Jean-Pierre (02:04:13.356)
Yeah. I I was gonna say...

Jean-Pierre (02:04:19.926)
Right, I I was gonna say you have that, obviously that iconic main theme, probably one of the best things that John Williams has ever created. But I will say, there are like two motifs from this movie I remember very distinctly. There is like a lot of like, kind of like, kind of like almost like Congo, like drumming kind of like percussive stuff. But there is that one main motif that...

Eli (02:04:29.603)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (02:04:47.134)
is kind of like, I don't even know how to describe it, but I always remember the scene where after the trailer falls and they climb up the rope and she goes like, know, Julianne Moore's character goes to like kind of get up the cliff and you see the hand reach out, you know, just like this wet hand of like Peter Postolich's character and helps him up. And there's that theme that plays in that part that's like this, it's like almost like the two groups coming together to like survive.

Eli (02:05:03.071)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (02:05:17.018)
you know, kind of vibe. like, I, you know, I can't hum it or anything, but I can very distinctly remember that the sound of that, cause it happens a couple other times in the movie too. that same motif, which I think is, is the one that I think sticks out the most, but I don't think there's, there's, mean, I really would, I mean, now I'm interested to go listen to the score just for the sake of listening to it if it Spielberg's favorite, but, but there's definitely nothing even close to approaching that iconic.

Eli (02:05:18.474)
Hmm, okay.

Eli (02:05:27.038)
Yeah, yeah. Okay.

Eli (02:05:38.524)
Yeah, same.

Jean-Pierre (02:05:46.928)
But I do think that's really fascinating where you say that in the first film.

You know, he went with like kind of a religious kind of awe inspiring sound because that is that is not just what the people in the movie experience, but also what the audience members experienced. I this is like some of the first first fully CGI, you know, anything like it's not like the very, very first. was a couple of things that came out before that. Like, you know, you have this, the young adventures of Sherlock Holmes or the adventures of young truck homes that like a stained glass like creature, had the abyss with the water effect.

Eli (02:05:58.623)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (02:06:10.494)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (02:06:22.174)
Yeah, it doesn't look good.

Jean-Pierre (02:06:23.996)
Yeah, no, not at all the abyss with the water effects, you know, but this is definitely one of like I Mean, this is it. Yeah, it's I mean, it's it's a breakthrough for sure and so I think it is Interesting that that was what he was inspired by I think it really suits but then also yeah is for this being a darker Movie that's more focused on the adventure side of it the action adventure. Yeah, does it does fit for sure

Eli (02:06:28.018)
Mm-hmm.

It's a real creature, you know, and in the real world. Yeah.

Eli (02:06:44.999)
Mm-hmm. It fits.

Eli (02:06:51.304)
Yeah, yeah, and you know Spielberg has I find that Spielberg in the things that he says are his favorite is always interesting I almost feel like he has a bit of contrarian in in him for stuff like this Yeah and I think it's like he just like I don't know it's kind of a thing where maybe he just really likes the

Jean-Pierre (02:07:05.528)
Sounds like he and I would get along great.

Eli (02:07:20.454)
drums like the you know the King Kong-esque jungle rhythm and so he's like this is my favorite because it has that in it. But anyways there were we talked about one scene that was cut the the Pteranodon's attacking the chopper there was also another Pteranodon scene that was cut where they were like I don't know what characters it was supposed to be but they were like

Jean-Pierre (02:07:24.334)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (02:07:36.867)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (02:07:45.192)
Basically hang gliding away from some Raptors and then some Pteranodons attack them on the hang gliders So that wasn't on here They do that in three Mm-hmm. Yeah, which it was that's actually a pretty good sequence. I think in three The the scene there's a extended scene with Ludlow in a board meeting. That's like he's doing more like exposition on

Jean-Pierre (02:07:54.19)
Which I feel like they kind of, he kind of brought that into 3, yeah.

Eli (02:08:13.768)
why they need to do what they're doing. Yeah. And then there's actually like a scene where they introduce Roland Timbo. Ajay comes to like recruit him. You can watch it in the on the Blu-ray or DVD and like the deleted scenes. He like it's I feel like it would have added a little bit more because I feel like you get thrown in with Timbo and

Jean-Pierre (02:08:14.926)
board meeting stuff.

Jean-Pierre (02:08:40.142)
You can't just shh up here.

Eli (02:08:41.83)
Yeah, he just appears and you you can you can kind of tell it seems like there's something missing like I'm supposed to already know who this guy is

Jean-Pierre (02:08:50.944)
Yeah, you're supposed to already know that he's like the badass of the movie, but... but... yeah.

Eli (02:08:55.642)
Right, but you you kind of it kind of is like throws you off for a second because there was this original scene that introduced him and actually like introduces him in a better way for his character what his character arc ends up being because it it makes because when the way they introduce you to him in the movie you're just like this guy kind of sucks he just wants to kill t-rexes and and every other animal well in the movie like you see him

basically like save kind of like get revenge on these jerks in this I don't know he's somewhere in like maybe South Africa or something there's these like jerks basically sexually harassing their waitress and he goes over and like beats the guy up yeah and so it's like that would have been great it would have made more sense for his character it would have showed you like yeah he's kind of like

Jean-Pierre (02:09:43.48)
Classic.

Eli (02:09:52.636)
a jerk as far as like killing animals maybe goes, but also like he has this soft side to him because there's that scene. Well, yeah, he doesn't the T-Rex's, but but he does other animals that he hunts. But because there's the scene where he goes up to Sarah Harding and he's like checking on her and making sure she's OK. And it just feels off in the movie. But if you would have had that scene to introduce him.

Jean-Pierre (02:09:57.737)
I mean, to be fair, he doesn't kill them.

Eli (02:10:22.027)
It would have made more sense So like in hindsight, I was like, he he's actually like an okay guy, you know But you know, we don't have that scene in the movie

Jean-Pierre (02:10:33.496)
Does it, yeah, does he make some comment about like, you hurt? Are you bleeding? She's like, it's not my blood.

Eli (02:10:37.618)
Yeah, mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, she he's like checking on her. He's like He's like being a good good guy and it feels off in the movie because you haven't had anything like that to that point from him

Jean-Pierre (02:10:42.807)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (02:10:49.262)
I think it would have been interesting seeing him take on some potters or something or something like that and then he gets a call about the opportunity. But I definitely agree with you. think it would have been nice to have a scene like that that kind of establishes his character a little bit more. But I think the trade-off there would have been they would have had to kind of force him into the plot more where he would have been... I feel like something like that would have been...

Eli (02:11:18.13)
which it's

Jean-Pierre (02:11:18.37)
would have been great if he was more of a main character instead of the side character that he is, you know? That's very true.

Eli (02:11:22.09)
Yeah, I feel like he should have been a more of a main character because of how awesome Pete Possil Thwait was. They should have just rewritten everything for him.

Jean-Pierre (02:11:28.524)
Yeah, that's part of it, but also think he's a... I think he would have provided a much better antithesis for Ian Malcolm, maybe. think seeing the two of them go head-to-head more would have been nice.

Eli (02:11:40.552)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, maybe so. Yeah, so those are some of the scenes cut in editing. They do about six months of post work. You know, a lot of CGI work that has to be done. They obviously like worked closely with the special effects team throughout the whole process, really, so that they could have like good continuity between the practical and CGI dinos.

And there's actually about 70 to 90 blue screen shots in this movie too. a good bit of like adding in those backgrounds too from the blue screens. Which I don't know, at one point did it change from blue screens to green screens? Because you don't ever really hear blue screen anymore. Do you know anything about that?

Jean-Pierre (02:12:27.246)
it really kind of depends. Blue screens...

Eli (02:12:31.26)
Okay, is it like for different things?

Jean-Pierre (02:12:33.934)
Yeah, think it's part of that. I think it also depends on it depends on what you're doing. It depends on also it's like depends on like what the characters are wearing. Like obviously if there's like a movie like this where there is a lot of green that they that they used like you know they're filming in the trees. You don't want to use a green screen because then it might be harder for the VFX artists to like you know properly cut things out. So I think technically you can really use whatever color you want honestly like

Eli (02:12:42.641)
Okay.

Eli (02:12:48.166)
Yeah, okay.

Eli (02:12:54.728)
That makes sense.

Eli (02:13:00.67)
Okay.

Jean-Pierre (02:13:01.942)
Like you could use any color that's opposite of whatever you're trying to cut out as part of your, as your chroma key is technically the technical term. It really just depends. Cause like, even if you go, you go look at like behind the scenes of like the star wars prequels or, or even like the hobbit series, like there's a lot of blue screen that's still used. really just depends on, it's like a lot of factors that can go into that. But,

Eli (02:13:07.22)
Gotcha.

Eli (02:13:17.502)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (02:13:28.76)
you know these days they do still use blue screen on occasion as well as green screen even though the volume is being used more and more for sure

Eli (02:13:35.7)
Yeah, okay. Well, yeah, that makes sense. I wasn't even really thinking about like what colors are in the scene, but that makes a lot of sense.

Jean-Pierre (02:13:46.956)
Like with the shirt you're wearing right now, like obviously I wouldn't put you in front of the green screen. Like I'd put you in front of a blue screen, because that's opposite kind of thing.

Eli (02:13:51.878)
Right. Yeah, I'm wearing my Grow Goo Baby Yoda shirt because it's the closest thing I could, the closest shirt I had to dinosaurs. It's a green, it's a green puppets and there's green puppets in this movie. So, you know, it's the closest thing I had. Yeah, I don't, need to get like a Jurassic Park shirt. That'd be.

Jean-Pierre (02:13:59.586)
There you go.

Jean-Pierre (02:14:05.548)
He's a, you know, just the little reptilian. There you go. I can see it. I see the vision. I see the connection.

Eli (02:14:22.218)
That'd be a good shirt to have.

Jean-Pierre (02:14:23.402)
I love, there's quite a few parody versions, but I love the one that it's like the Jurassic Park logo, but it's a xenomorph, and it says like LV.

Eli (02:14:32.104)
You

Jean-Pierre (02:14:34.604)
Whatever the whatever the planet is like 486 or whatever all the all the alien fanboys are gonna come from ahead because I don't know the name of the planet but that one's pretty sick. But yeah I would also love a good I don't really wear a lot of like graphic tees outside of like band merch. So you know because I love supporting my friends but I think I think a nice like kind of shirt with a faded Jurassic Park logo would be sick. Yeah.

Eli (02:14:35.304)
Yeah, yeah. huh. Yeah.

Eli (02:14:43.048)
Yeah.

Eli (02:14:54.078)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (02:14:59.464)
Yeah, like a classic one that you might find out like Old Navy.

Jean-Pierre (02:15:03.81)
There's also a company, I can't remember the name of the website that it's on, but I see the ads for it all the time and they have this line called American, it's like American Vintage or something, and they have all these really interesting, kind of like faded designs for movies, like they have some Lord of the Rings shirts, I'd like Love, and I think they have a couple Jurassic Park ones as well. Yeah.

Eli (02:15:21.399)
Yeah, yeah,

Eli (02:15:29.906)
Yeah, I've seen some of those. Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (02:15:34.028)
I can't remember the name of it, but...

Eli (02:15:36.542)
Yeah, there's, I think there's a, there's like multiple of those.

Jean-Pierre (02:15:40.59)
Yeah, they have like a Batman the Endgame series one I really like. I always see the ads for them. They have quite a few Lord of the Rings shirts that I really would love to get at some point. And they've like done some Star Wars ones now too, which look pretty sick. Yeah.

Eli (02:15:53.738)
Sweet. Yeah, yeah, that's, that's really it for post-production. mean, obviously it's just a lot of CGI work there. I mean, they're, they're like, if you look at, if you like, watch some of the behind the scenes, the guys at ILM, they're basically, the interesting thing is, so when you make the robotic, the big animatronic stuff, you're using like a wire frame and you're building a mold on top of that.

Jean-Pierre (02:16:20.078)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (02:16:21.448)
And it's really kind of the same thing on the computer. Like they build the wireframe of the dinosaur on the computer digitally, and then they add like skin onto it, and then they texture the skin, and then they paint the skin. So they're basically doing the exact same thing on the computers that they're doing in real life for the animatronic robots.

Jean-Pierre (02:16:41.898)
Right, because it's, that basically represents its skeletal system. you have to, that's, like, like any CGI character you've ever seen, like underneath all those layers, it's literally a stick figure because that's the basis of, of being able to animate it. Cause you have your joints, you know, so.

Eli (02:16:55.951)
Uh-huh.

Eli (02:17:01.674)
Mm-hmm. Yep. Yeah. Which it is cool to see them kind of like take you through those steps of that if you, if anyone ever wants to go watch like the making of stuff.

Jean-Pierre (02:17:10.367)
love a good VFX pass video, like where they show you like what...

Especially when you see where they started and what they ended up with, like the final project. I really highly recommend, if anyone's interested in seeing the behind the scenes of VFX, if you watch Corridor Crew, the Corridor Digital's secondary channel, Corridor Crew. They've been doing for probably four or five years now a series called VFX Artists React. They also do a Stuntmen React series as well, which is really cool where they break down different stunts.

Eli (02:17:21.747)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (02:17:43.082)
Hmm.

Jean-Pierre (02:17:47.84)
They'll have like actual stunt performers or friends with kind of talk through it. But but yeah, I mean they I mean they're they literally are all VFX artists by trade That's what they started their their their channel with like literally over a decade ago And so it's cool to see them kind of talk down. They actually did episode with Gareth Edwards Right around when the creator came out Yeah, so they would do it long enough to where they're actually starting to get I mean they've got they've and they've had a guy from ILM on there a few times actually as well, so

Eli (02:17:48.659)
That's cool.

Eli (02:18:05.317)
cool. For the creator? yeah.

Eli (02:18:15.516)
Okay. Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (02:18:17.36)
Yeah, it's a great series, you know, it's really fun. They look at the good, the bad, the ugly, and it's just always a fun time.

Eli (02:18:24.435)
Cool. You'll have to shoot me the link to that so I can put it in the episode description notes.

Jean-Pierre (02:18:31.151)
Maybe I'll try and find a couple episodes that would be kind of more related to what we're talking about. think there's a Jurassic Park episode I can try and find.

Eli (02:18:35.774)
Yeah, sure, yeah.

yeah, that'd be cool. Yeah, I love watching that sort of thing. And I think I mentioned in the Jurassic Park episode, there's an episode of the Team Deacons podcast, which is, yeah, know, the Deacons, obviously. But they had Dennis Murin on for an episode. That was really cool. He's the ILM guy, so yeah.

Jean-Pierre (02:18:52.013)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (02:19:06.729)
But yeah, that's it for production on the movie. mean, they get it done. It releases the next year in 1997. And in May. So the end of May 1997, this movie comes out. It's released in over 3,000 theaters. So big wide release. And it gets $72 million on the first weekend, which

was a record at the time. So that record was passed by Harry Potter in 2001, which didn't quite hit the $100 million mark. It took Spider-Man to hit that one to get the record for the $100 million. But yeah, this one passed $100 million in seven days. So it didn't take it long to hit that mark. But yeah, in the box as far as it

Jean-Pierre (02:19:36.76)
Wow. Yeah.

Eli (02:20:06.096)
it worldwide, it eventually got 618 million, which not as big as Jurassic Park, but still huge box office. And I would imagine that's like probably in the eight or nine hundreds with inflation. I don't know if that would quite break a billion with today's dollars, but.

Jean-Pierre (02:20:15.67)
Yeah, yeah.

Jean-Pierre (02:20:30.582)
I still can't believe Jurassic World made a billion dollars worldwide. That's insane to me. I I enjoy the movie. just, I was, guess people were really hurting for dinosaurs.

Eli (02:20:33.904)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Eli (02:20:41.778)
It's a beloved franchise. People love this franchise. Even with these second, like the Lost World and Jurassic Park 3 are not like super like, everyone's like, these are masterpieces. Like they're kind of like down as far as like what people would rate them and what critics would rate them, but they still love them, you know?

Jean-Pierre (02:21:01.934)
Yeah, they definitely don't get as much hate as like the Star Wars prequels in the sequel trilogy compared to the original trilogy for sure. I feel like people are a lot softer on them probably because it's it's dinosaurs man, you know, like it's it's I mean even even if even with this movie with you not really loving the screenplay like at the end of the day like there's still some great stuff in this movie, you know.

Eli (02:21:08.35)
Sure. Yeah. Yeah.

Eli (02:21:15.624)
Yeah, it's dinosaurs.

Eli (02:21:26.78)
Yeah, I mean it's it's any even a bad Steven Spielberg movie there's still like some stuff that that you can find to like enjoy and like just because it's Steven Spielberg's gonna do something right, you know, even in a bad movie. So yeah, this one in the box office that year though this one was overshadowed by Men in Black and Titanic so...

Jean-Pierre (02:21:41.069)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (02:21:54.222)
Mm.

Eli (02:21:55.453)
Wasn't like the biggest movie of the year, but it was up there.

Jean-Pierre (02:21:58.166)
which is really funny because the original Jurassic Park totally stole the thunder for a movie. You know, actually, you know what? We're going to talk about this in the underrated movie sequence maybe because I think there is a movie that I really love, think more people should see that was...

Eli (02:22:12.764)
Okay.

Jean-Pierre (02:22:20.142)
had the very tragic occurrence of coming out this, I think, the same weekend as the original Jurassic Park. So yeah, yeah, it's rough.

Eli (02:22:26.636)
no. Yeah, yeah, just a preview. We're, yeah, we're next week we'll be doing our favorite, like, underrated, some of our favorite underrated movies. Not a draft, but just like a discussion. So we look forward to that. Yeah, this one, it was received very similarly to Jurassic Park, but probably with

Jean-Pierre (02:22:32.994)
but put a bit of that one.

Eli (02:22:55.038)
more criticism. would say the general consensus on Jurassic Park was basically the same here, which were Dino's great, characters not as great, which I kind of disagreed with Jurassic Park. I thought the characters were pretty well developed and pretty good in Jurassic Park, but I do agree with it here. I don't think the characters

I do think the characters are mostly just kind of stereotypes in this one, which was kind of a general critic consensus. In fact, Roger Ebert, one of one of my favorite critics to read, said that they are scripted to do stupid things so that they can be chased and sometimes eaten by dinosaurs. Which is fair, you know? The San Diego

Jean-Pierre (02:23:44.888)
Fair? Fair.

Eli (02:23:51.764)
T-Rex sequence, as you alluded to earlier, didn't impress a whole lot of people. I read too that some people were like speculating that it was done deliberately to pull the rug out from under the Godzilla remake that would release the next year. I think that's kind of a dumb speculation. Like Spielberg just really, really wanted to do that.

Jean-Pierre (02:24:09.888)
It is kind of crazy. Which, that's another movie that I agree is, I know it's not great, I mean, I'm I am a monster movie fanboy, okay? I am very...

Eli (02:24:17.042)
I have a lot of nostalgia attached to that movie. I haven't watched that since I was a kid and I don't really want to because I feel like I'll ruin it for my memory because I loved that 98 Godzilla movie as a kid.

Jean-Pierre (02:24:28.654)
Yeah, yeah like like I just I'm very easy to please when it comes to monster movies man so

Eli (02:24:39.333)
I love that though. That's great. I don't think that's a I don't think that's a JP flaw. I think that's a strength

Jean-Pierre (02:24:46.286)
Appreciate it. Like literally, if you wanted to know like top three choices of like the types of movies I would love to make one day, Monster Movie would definitely be the top three. Some way, or form, I would love to make a Monster Movie.

Eli (02:24:59.146)
Mmm.

Yeah, that's cool. I will definitely see your monster movie when it comes out. I'm speaking it into existence. Your monster movie will one day be released and I'll go see it. Yeah, yeah, just generally not great reception. People disappointed that he gave into the temptation of a lucrative sequel, but hey, even great directors have to do some money grabs sometimes too.

Jean-Pierre (02:25:07.586)
Thank you. Thank you. Okay.

Eli (02:25:32.746)
It got one Oscar nomination. Yeah, for real. One Oscar nomination for visual effects. Didn't win. That's pretty much it for awards. Yeah, let's jump into, I guess more like just key points, key talking points from the movie. We've touched on a lot of this stuff. I did want to... have you ever read the book, The Lost World? Okay.

Jean-Pierre (02:25:34.616)
Gotta pay for that house.

Jean-Pierre (02:25:58.606)
I've not. One of these days I'd love to... I find myself, I don't really read a lot of fiction these days. I kind of more of like, I'll read a memoir, an essay, kind of a, I guess like life advice kind of stuff. But I think it's like, for me, Jurassic Park is right up there with...

Eli (02:26:11.295)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (02:26:22.03)
like the Lord of the Rings trilogy. I'd love to actually get around to reading it one day. think, I want to say when it comes to Michael Crichton, I definitely think I read like the Andromeda strain. I might've read Timeline. Yeah, like kind of when I was like middle school or high school, I might've read Timeline. And I think there was like one more obscure book that I don't think has ever been made into a movie that I think I read of his, but I can't remember what it is right now.

Eli (02:26:23.742)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Eli (02:26:35.016)
Okay yeah, that was like his breakout.

Eli (02:26:48.586)
Hmm. Yeah. I, so I read Jurassic Park and the Lost World. listened to the audio books actually. I've been doing that with a lot of these Spielberg, adaptations. I've been listening to the audio books. So, been getting a lot of books in this year that way of just listening to the Spielberg adaptation, books. the Jurassic Park I thought was great. it was

really well paced as a novel, interesting ideas. It delves into like the chaos theory stuff a whole lot more with Ian Malcolm. Yeah, great characters. The Lost World is kind of a step down. You can tell that, you can almost tell that like he didn't plan on writing this book and he's kind of grasping at like what is he going to do with it.

It's definitely a step down. It's not a bad book, but it's not a great book either. It's just kind of okay. It's not as well paced. It's not as thrilling. It really, the book, I think the sequel book suffers from a lot of things that the sequel movie does, which is like, okay, we've seen the dinosaurs now and we've had a thrilling time with them. And now the luster of that has kind of worn off some.

Jean-Pierre (02:28:15.725)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (02:28:16.382)
But yeah, in the book, it's very different. There's two kids. Kelly is one of them, but she's not Malcolm's daughter. And Arby is a boy. They're like middle schoolers who they do sneak onto a trailer. This guy, Dr. Thorne, is an engineer, and Eddie Carr is actually his assistant. And they're actually going with Ian Malcolm to rescue

this guy, Dr. Levine, who's this like really rich paleontologist guy. He comes from money and is like going on this crazy expedition. And Ian Malcolm goes with Thorne to try to rescue him and find out like he's actually like not trying to be rescued. He's just trying to observe the dinosaurs.

Jean-Pierre (02:28:52.557)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (02:29:11.15)
So kind of, they kind of replaced that plot line with him going to get Sarah, yeah.

Eli (02:29:14.634)
with Sarah. shows up, Sarah's in the book too, her character is. She comes later than everyone else and she ends up on the boat with this boat with the antagonists of the... it's these guys Dodgson and King. They're like a rival company to Injen and they're trying to go get on the island and steal a few eggs. And so she ends up with

Jean-Pierre (02:29:30.061)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (02:29:44.306)
with them and that's how she gets to the island.

Jean-Pierre (02:29:46.924)
Yeah, I was gonna say real quick, think I looked it up. think the book of the other book of his that I know I definitely read is called Prey, which is from 2002 and it's like about nanobots and stuff, which it's actually really surprising when you look at his bibliography, like how many of his books have been turned into some form of visual media, you know.

Eli (02:29:55.987)
Okay.

Eli (02:30:07.89)
Yeah, well he yeah and he's he he did he wrote and directed a movie back in the 70s or 80s Westworld but

Jean-Pierre (02:30:17.026)
Mm-hmm.

right which then got changed into the the TV show which I've seen the first two seasons and they were both pretty I mean the first season is amazing

Eli (02:30:27.626)
Yeah, yeah, that's Jonathan Nolan, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, I haven't watched any of that. But yeah, but yeah, it just the the book also like it's very focused on the reason that they're on the island. They wanted to study extinction and figure out what causes extinction. And yeah, I mean, it's kind of like there there is like the the baby T-Rex on the in the trailer.

happens in the book so that's that's actually from the book there's a few things that they kind of pull over the characters really like aren't very similar from the book to the movie even though some of them have the same names but but yeah the it's just very different

Jean-Pierre (02:31:11.982)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (02:31:21.288)
And then so you can compare this movie with the novel it's quote unquote adapted from, but then you can also compare it with the original movie, which is probably like the more apt comparison. Since like the book was written so that they can make a sequel movie. But they really, I don't know that we talked about the score, how the scores are different. And I think that's a very, a very good indicator of how like

Jean-Pierre (02:31:39.726)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (02:31:51.518)
odds these movies are with each other and just like tone and feel I Don't know like you you watch Jurassic Park and you're like To me Rewatching it this time. I was like man. It just feels like it doesn't need a sequel It feels like you get you get everything you want out of it You get the the all-in-wonder of seeing dinosaurs like in the real world

And also like the fear of what they could do to us. like, and then like you escape and everyone seems like they've learned their lesson. And, and that should be, you should be good to go. Like you don't need a sequel, but alas, we have one. and, yeah, it's just, it's missing like the, the thing. So the thing that Spielberg has done really well.

for most of his career to this point is like mixing the emotions of fear and wonder. And you have that in the original Jurassic Park. In this one, it's just fear and there's not really much wonder. You talked about Sarah Harding's face and you just, you don't get the like awe and wonder that you get on Laura Dern's face when she sees the Brachiosaurus or the Triceratops or you know,

Jean-Pierre (02:33:20.259)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (02:33:20.4)
any of it. It's just not there. And it's almost like the characters just knew what to expect. you're missing that whole wonder element that feels essential for a movie like this. And even in an interview, Spielberg felt like this was the film's greatest mistake. And I think that's, I don't know if that's like its greatest mistake, but it's a big

Jean-Pierre (02:33:46.348)
Yeah, I would definitely agree.

Eli (02:33:49.448)
It's a big part of it for sure.

Jean-Pierre (02:33:50.764)
Yeah, it's definitely up there. I even even again, just thinking about the context of the original movie of that first scene of like they pull up in the Jeep, Malcolm looks, know, know, Alan Grant looks over, you know, turns Sattler's face and like, you know, they just all like their reactions, they just sell it. And then also like,

Eli (02:34:13.672)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (02:34:16.204)
And they're almost kind of very similarly, like they're almost like the audience surrogate in that moment. Because then we have that same reaction when we finally see the, yeah, when we finally see it for the first time. And so I almost can understand why, again, like in this movie, it wasn't a question of can they make the dinosaurs, it's what can they do with them? And so.

Eli (02:34:25.544)
Yeah, when it turns the camera.

Jean-Pierre (02:34:42.366)
I think there probably was a certain subconscious of like, wow, more CGI dinosaurs. Like, it's not as impressive as it was the first time. And I think that that's true for any time there is a new breakthrough in VFX specifically. Like, the first time there's a CGI character in a movie, like in the Avengers Young Triangle.

Eli (02:34:51.656)
Yeah.

Eli (02:34:59.07)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (02:35:05.341)
Hmm.

Jean-Pierre (02:35:05.846)
Incredible or you know, James Cameron's the abyss the water effects incredible dinosaurs in Jurassic Park incredible Even now like I feel like the very first time I saw like the volume used in a very prominent way on like the Mandalorian like it was super super super cool and then but inevitably what happens is and a new breakthrough happens and then everyone starts using it and then they start over using it and they use it in a way in which It's not necessarily designed for so like, know the big thing with the volume

Eli (02:35:28.18)
Yeah.

Eli (02:35:33.993)
Hmm.

Jean-Pierre (02:35:35.77)
which, you know, for your audience, if they're not familiar, is like a bunch of, it's basically a giant LED screen that they can project wherever they want on. So it's like, can have, instead of having to add in an environment in post, you can have your actors reacting to something in real time. It's also great for real time lighting as well. And I say that because like, especially to watch like a lot of Disney plus shows that were, that were kind of came out during the pandemic years, you can tell that they really overutilize the volume, especially like Kenobi. There were so many moments in

Eli (02:35:50.111)
Hmm.

Eli (02:36:04.202)
Mm.

Jean-Pierre (02:36:05.75)
series that just felt so cramped and so small and then but then you watch something like the Batman the Batman use the volume a lot as well but the way that they used it was like the way it's meant to be used so like there's like iconic scene in the opening where he comes out of the shadows on the the train kind of platform and like the whole like the secrets all was almost happening sideways and the whole like back wall is the volume but they're mostly using it as like a lighting thing or like all the scenes of him and

Eli (02:36:09.278)
Gotcha.

Eli (02:36:18.259)
Hmm

Eli (02:36:34.281)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (02:36:35.62)
that kind of construction tower overlooking Gotham all that's in front of the volume but again they're using it for lighting and it's they're using a way Samantha used I think the same thing kind of happens here with with the CGI dinosaurs is that as much as I love all the extra action sequences because they were more going for

Eli (02:36:52.223)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (02:36:55.904)
what can we make them do? you know, like you've said several times, it does kind of feel like they maybe overplay their hand a little bit. And maybe that definitely could have added to that lack of sense of wonder, you know, because there's quite a few scenes where it's like, okay, eventually there's going to be something here that you're looking at, you know, and, you know, even today it's hard for actors to like,

Eli (02:37:05.0)
Yeah. Yeah.

Eli (02:37:17.854)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (02:37:25.672)
act against a green screen. mean there's that famous shot of Ian McKellen on the set of the Hobbit films where he's like sitting on this, there's a little bit of a set built but most of it's completely CGI, like there's all blue screens around and he's literally sitting there like this. Like it's a really sad photo actually, he's just like, you can just tell he's just like, this is not what I got into acting for, you know?

Eli (02:37:28.447)
Yeah.

Eli (02:37:38.408)
Yeah.

Eli (02:37:48.733)
Right.

Jean-Pierre (02:37:51.072)
And so I definitely could, there is a challenge there for the actors themselves. It's not always like fully their fault, but that's really why you have to have a solid director who can really pull that performance out of them. And we know Spielberg is capable, but as he said himself, maybe he, wasn't his best moment in the production of this film.

Eli (02:38:10.398)
Yeah. Yeah, no, it's it's not. I think another another difference in the two movies is like the characters. There's just like so many. I don't think in actuality there's a lot more characters in this movie than than there is, but it feels like there's so many more characters in this movie than the first one.

Jean-Pierre (02:38:28.856)
bunch of NPCs, yeah.

Jean-Pierre (02:38:35.918)
I would say there's definitely more characters. Because there's more people. There's more people less maybe about the same amount of characters that we actually have any kind of interaction with.

Eli (02:38:38.942)
There's more, but probably not a lot right. There's more people.

Eli (02:38:48.552)
Yeah. Well, it's, odd. like, this is why I think like, I'm not sure how much it, makes me wonder how much David Kep actually changed from the, from like Michael Crichton's original script that, Michael Crichton wrote this first script, the first draft of this, of Jurassic park himself. they had another lady that wrote on hook with Spielberg deuce.

some work on it and Spielberg wasn't really happy with what she did so then he brought on David Kep to work on it and I almost wonder if like he just kind of rolled with Kryten's character development in his script and then because in this one it just feels like I don't know in the first one it feels like the characters are so well developed everyone has their like distinct this is who this character is they have their setup scene you have your setup scene of

Jean-Pierre (02:39:16.622)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (02:39:30.765)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (02:39:45.25)
You have your set up scene of Samuel L. Jackson. You have your set up scene of like the, I can't think of his name, but the guy that's like the velociraptor guy, the clever girl guy. Like, yeah. Right, right. And so you have like your set up with all those characters and then the movie like puts them in their proper place, for lack of a better word, meaning like.

Jean-Pierre (02:39:59.712)
I can't ever see him either, but he's like the head of security or whatever.

Eli (02:40:13.802)
they show up when they need to be there, you kind of get their vibe, like what they're up to. But the focus stays on the main characters. And in this one, because they've split up, the hunter's gatherers thing where you have Spielberg wanting to juxtapose these two groups of characters against each other, you kind of lose...

Jean-Pierre (02:40:42.072)
Yeah.

Eli (02:40:43.698)
all of that. And then like on top of that, in the first movie, your action breaks are used for character development. like anytime there's an action break, so like a few standout ones are like Grant in the tree with the kids or or Ellie Sattler with John Hammond eating the ice cream. Like

Jean-Pierre (02:41:09.624)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (02:41:10.202)
you have these moments where things slow down and you develop the characters. In this movie, anytime the action slows down, there's just like exposition dumps of explaining why they're going where they're going, what they need to do next. And there's no character development.

Jean-Pierre (02:41:30.834)
Or you get lines like the high hide you're go high and you're gonna hide

Eli (02:41:35.282)
Yeah, which is like a unnecessary exposition. And not even a funny joke. But yeah, I don't know, the it's just even like Ian Malcolm, like Ian Malcolm in this movie, he's a different character than he is in the first movie that I've already talked about that, like, and he ends up just kind of being this like

very stereotypical Spielbergian bad father that learns how to be a better father but like the way things play out like he I don't know like he doesn't develop into that it's just kind of like I don't know it's it's just not good like in my opinion the way the characters don't

The only one that feels like they have an actual character arc is Roland Timbo. Like he's the only one that feels like he starts in one place and changes and ends up in another place.

Jean-Pierre (02:42:42.284)
Right, starts out like, yeah, I'm here to kill a T-Rex and then by the end of it he's like, what have we done?

Eli (02:42:49.522)
Yeah, exactly. And it would have even like been even better if we had that intro scene that got cut that I was talking about. It would have even more rounded out his character and given it a complete story. And I don't know and it just kind of sucks that they didn't...

They just didn't develop these characters as well as they did because there's a lot of potential with this one, I think, to have bigger and more in the action stuff. But then the. To me, the characters and and all of that character development in the first one is like what elevates it to the next level. And in this one, it not only like doesn't elevate it, but it drags it down a little

to me where like I can't quite enjoy the action stuff as much because like the stakes feel so low because who are these people you know I don't know I have a lot of quibbles too I don't know do you do you do you want to hear any of my quibbles

Jean-Pierre (02:43:53.262)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (02:44:08.566)
I I've been hearing them all night, but feel free to quibble away.

Eli (02:44:11.547)
These are these are more just like these are these are so What I was just saying was like I think a big issue. These are just like little quibbles like just things that I think are funny about the plot like Like I just don't understand John Hammond's plan here Like why is he sending like he knows he knows Ludlow's obviously gonna go to the island like you can tell he knows they're going so like

Jean-Pierre (02:44:24.301)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (02:44:29.923)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (02:44:40.234)
Because wasn't it? If I remember it correctly Is it is it he like trying to start his own company, right? And so

Eli (02:44:49.018)
Ludlow is taking over because Hammond is his uncle and he's basically like in the cut scene with the board meeting, he's basically like making an argument to the board of why they need to let his senile uncle take him out of position and put him in charge.

Jean-Pierre (02:44:52.918)
Okay,

Jean-Pierre (02:44:58.05)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (02:45:05.399)
Yeah.

I just thought when they come across their camp and they find the boxes of stuff, it has a different company name on it, if I remember, but maybe not. Or maybe it was the planned dinosaur zoo in San Diego was a different company.

Eli (02:45:18.594)
I don't.

Eli (02:45:26.922)
That's what it was, Yeah, I don't know about a different company, but he's definitely like, there is, there's literally a deleted scene, which is the board meeting scene where he makes an argument to the engine board that his uncle like is no longer fit to lead the company and he needs to take over. yeah. But yeah, I don't understand Hammond's plan.

Go take pictures so that people will leave the island alone. Like that's your plan.

Jean-Pierre (02:45:59.104)
I said a great plan, but I think I can understand of like, of the idea of like, hey, people need to see these animals like just living their lives and need to see and just need to have an understanding of like.

Eli (02:46:13.32)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (02:46:16.8)
it's best that we just let them be, you know? It's partially as a warning, also, because I'm sure, don't just get pictures of them being majestic, also get pictures showing how dangerous they are as well, you know?

Eli (02:46:33.246)
I yeah. I just don't get it. And then you have at the end, he's on the news report and his quote, because I wrote down the quote there at the end, says, we step aside and trust in nature, life will find a way. And it's like a callback to the line from the original movie, but it just doesn't make sense to me. Yeah. It just doesn't make sense to me. What does that even mean?

Jean-Pierre (02:46:56.322)
He said it, he said the lie, guys.

Eli (02:47:02.972)
If we step aside and trust in nature, trust in nature to do what? To keep the dinosaurs contained on this island? that nature will find a way to bring the dinosaurs to kill us all? Like, what does that mean?

Jean-Pierre (02:47:08.13)
Dude that that, dude.

Jean-Pierre (02:47:12.995)
that

I don't know why, but that just reminds me of David Ayer's Suicide Squad when Will Smith is like, so what are we? Some kind of suicide squad. man. Hashtag, hashtag release the Ayer cut. You know.

Eli (02:47:25.802)
You

Eli (02:47:30.186)
great line, he said it.

Yeah, yeah, I just, I just watched, went and saw the wild robot with my wife and son. It was great, by the way. But there is a part where, yeah, it's animation is incredible touching story. But there is a point where like, Roz, the water robot says something to the effect of like, I'm a wild robot. I was like, she said it, she said it.

Jean-Pierre (02:47:45.57)
I've heard a lot of really good things.

Jean-Pierre (02:47:59.6)
What am I? Some kind of wild robot? I love a good roll credits scene. This is a little bit different, but still.

Eli (02:48:04.706)
yeah. but yeah, my, the only other, I'll do one more quibble. this is what I wrote my, my notes. Sarah, we observe. We don't interfere. Also, Sarah charges into Stegosaurus herd and pets a baby Stegosaurus. I just was like, yeah.

Jean-Pierre (02:48:24.962)
which there's that scene where she's crawling through the log and the tail comes down and they try and take her out.

Eli (02:48:30.076)
Yeah, I'm just like, I don't, this is dumb, this is stupid. Anyways, that was my, I'll do that, I'll leave it along with the quibbles after that.

Jean-Pierre (02:48:41.887)
There's also the scene where they release the baby T-Rex and she's like sitting in the open door with this big smile on her face and Ian Malcolm's like, okay, let's get back inside. Not a good idea.

Eli (02:48:47.305)
Yeah.

Eli (02:48:51.22)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, I don't know. Do you see any themes, any like, legible themes in this movie that make sense to you or like... I just don't. I don't personally see it. I wrote down some, you know.

Jean-Pierre (02:49:12.522)
Mm-hmm. mean, I mean other than, you know, the pretty, other than pretty obviously showcasing like this particular crew of Injun and like they're like, it's really wrong and bad of them to go there and try and like take advantage of these creatures, you know? But I mean, like, I I feel like it's like the most obvious theme that there is. I would argue...

Eli (02:49:32.99)
Yeah.

Eli (02:49:38.184)
Yeah, I don't I couldn't tell if it was supposed to be some zoo ethics thing or what?

Jean-Pierre (02:49:42.85)
Yeah, maybe so. I would kind of argue, like, I don't think every single movie in the world necessarily needs, like, really strong themes. Like, sometimes it's just a fun movie.

Eli (02:49:53.019)
I don't either, there's too many lines and stuff that it's in there. It's trying to say something. It would be a different story if it was just a fun action movie with dinosaurs and they're not talking about all this stuff, but they are talking about it.

Jean-Pierre (02:50:02.573)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (02:50:08.546)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, outside of some kind of argument about letting nature take care of itself, I'm not really sure if I can think of anything specifically.

Eli (02:50:21.992)
Yeah. This is, this is something that, I'll give credit to the blank check pod podcast, which, is one that, they actually do a similar thing that I do, except they focus on directors that get blank checks. but they, they actually did a Spielberg series where they started with the lost world. Cause that was one of his first big blank check kind of movies that kind of bombed, critically. And so.

Jean-Pierre (02:50:50.356)
I love a good blank check movie. Sometimes they are amazing, gotta be honest though. Usually not great. I think the one right now I'm thinking of is Michaelopolis.

Eli (02:50:52.424)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

But yeah, they.

yeah, I haven't seen it yet. So I'm very intrigued, but yeah, don't, don't tell me anything. yeah, one of the things they said that, I was like, yeah. Okay. Which I don't think the movie's trying to do this, but they said it's kind of a semisemite interesting meta commentary on itself. And the fact that it's like, there was no need to go back. We should have just left it alone.

Jean-Pierre (02:51:29.976)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Eli (02:51:31.011)
and it's like the same with the movie like there was no need to make a sequel we should have left it alone

Jean-Pierre (02:51:33.41)
Which is kind of a theme in the...

Yeah, it's kind of a theme in Jurassic Park 3 as well. There's a second island the whole time, you know? Yeah.

Eli (02:51:41.246)
Yeah. Yeah.

Eli (02:51:47.434)
Yeah. I guess just, if you, do you have any final thoughts before I share my final thought? You like here, I want you to do this. You really like this movie. I've, I've ripped, I've ripped on the movie the whole time. I still had a good time with the movie there. I like the T-Rex stuff. The T-Rex stuff is pretty fun. I don't know about T-Rex and Stan San Diego. it's fun standalone.

Jean-Pierre (02:51:55.563)
Yeah... Yeah.

Eli (02:52:16.532)
but in the movie I don't know about it but the T-Rex stuff on the island I really like that stuff I thought it was fun the robots are really cool but I've done enough ripping on the movie if you would like to share like the reason you still really really like this movie despite all of my like problems with it because we need this we need your dissenting voice here at the end

Jean-Pierre (02:52:40.696)
Yeah.

Well, I think, you know, just a few things I can think of is like, firstly, I do think much like Spielberg, I do have a bit of a...

desire to be contrarian my friends make fun of me all the time for like they're always joking with me about like like if people like something you're gonna hate it or vice versa which isn't always true, but Sometimes it is like I said, I am a big fan of Monster movies like I mean like even like one that I know is gonna be cheesy and bad I can still have a good time with you know I mean I used to love watching like the sci-fi channel original movies every week, you know, which

Eli (02:52:57.066)
You

Eli (02:53:16.788)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (02:53:23.536)
still crazy to think, I don't know if they do it anymore, but it's still crazy to think they used to make so many movies that they could put one out every single week. It's crazy. Most of them were terrible, but hey, it was fun. But I think for me, I think there's a couple different things about this movie I really like. Number one.

Eli (02:53:33.258)
That's true, yeah.

Jean-Pierre (02:53:47.118)
I do like that it kind of leads a little bit into some survival horror elements. And I think it'd be really interesting to see a Jurassic Park movie that leans more into that. I just think the idea of them like, I always thought like a cool concept for like a Jurassic Park game, and there's been some games that have kind of done this at this point, is like you shipwreck, you wash up on the island, you would find the other dinosaurs, and you have to learn how to defend yourself against them. And I just like there are some elements of that.

it's like everything that can go wrong for these people does go wrong and and at certain points they're literally being picked off like one by one you know but I also think that just you know with some of the action sequences in this movie being like bigger and more over-the-top for various different reasons I do like that but also I maybe this maybe this movie just kind of connects with

Eli (02:54:21.108)
Yeah, sure.

Jean-Pierre (02:54:42.07)
like that six year old child who loved dinosaurs more than the first film does. As much as I love the first film, I think in some ways, and part of this was probably technological reasons, I think in this movie, the dinosaurs act more like I want dinosaurs to act. Whereas in the first movie, they act more like, you know, I mean, they're literally a theme park attraction gone wrong. You know what I mean?

Eli (02:55:05.043)
Right, right.

Jean-Pierre (02:55:06.675)
And so I feel like in this movie they're much more like animalistic and so You know again, I it's one of those things where I don't know if I can really necessarily put into words I just know that I have always I Love the first film, you know, I love it. It's iconic. It's one of the best

Eli (02:55:09.098)
could see that,

Eli (02:55:24.936)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (02:55:28.93)
You know, sci-fi films ever made. Totally agree with that. One of the Spielberg's best films. Totally agree with that. I enjoy Jurassic Park 3, even though I think, and I know you do as well, you actually said you like it better than this one. We both enjoy that one, even though we both can agree that it's obviously not as good. And I liked Jurassic World. know, Fallen Kingdom, like I said, was really bad. I haven't watched Dominion. But I don't know. There's just something about this movie, when I think about it, it's probably the nostalgia.

Eli (02:55:34.857)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (02:55:41.79)
Yeah, I do.

Jean-Pierre (02:55:59.325)
but it's just always been the one that I've been the most drawn to and in a lot of ways I feel like

Eli (02:55:59.732)
Sure.

Jean-Pierre (02:56:07.71)
I can remember more of those iconic moments from it. I think honestly, it's just the character. think you just got a lot as much as like the characters are much better developed in the first movie. I think this one just has cooler characters like like Chimbo, like like, you know, Peter, like Peter Strommair's character, like the the the paleontologist with the cool cowboy hat and the beard. You know, I don't know. There's just a lot of sequences of this movie that I remember very fondly.

Eli (02:56:11.069)
Mm.

Eli (02:56:19.434)
That's fair.

Eli (02:56:24.83)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (02:56:36.118)
I don't know, again, I think it's because it's more monster-centric, much like Jurassic Park 3. That's the reason why I like that one as well, is like, it's much more of a monster movie than a Jurassic Park movie. I don't know, it just, it makes that little six-year-old version of me just really giddy watching this one.

Eli (02:56:40.18)
Yeah.

Eli (02:56:46.666)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (02:56:54.994)
Yeah. Yeah. And I almost wonder too, like if it's just like it get, it comes down to like the lens you're watching the movie through. like if you're just watching the movie through the lens of like, let's see what dinosaurs can do and who give us a rip, like what the characters are. let's just see how, how much fun we can have with dinosaurs. Like you're probably going to have a good time with it, you know, and like six year old JP or Eli probably like,

Jean-Pierre (02:57:13.731)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (02:57:24.616)
That's why you're watching the movie, is to see how the dinosaurs are going to kill somebody or that sort of thing. so probably not six, but maybe like nine, 10.

Jean-Pierre (02:57:31.522)
I mean, to be fair, I probably watched this when I was a little older than six. But like five, six years old was like my peak dinosaur phase for sure.

Eli (02:57:40.412)
Right, right, right. And so, I don't know, watching it through that, I can see it. I'm watching it, I guess like, I'm kind of like held down by the fact with this one that I'm watching it through the lens of like going through Steven Spielberg's filmography. And so like, it's just not gonna, it's just not gonna add up to what I've been watching from him for, for most of his filmography so far. And so,

Jean-Pierre (02:57:58.668)
Yeah. Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (02:58:05.75)
Of course.

Yeah, I think

Eli (02:58:09.042)
It's just tough to take those lenses off when I'm watching it in sequence of all of his other movies.

Jean-Pierre (02:58:16.044)
Yeah.

I think because for me the two genres that are more guilty pleasure genres for me are supernatural action films. So your Resident Evils, the Underworld franchise, stuff like that. And then monster movies.

Eli (02:58:29.353)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (02:58:34.142)
Mm. Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (02:58:39.31)
I just, I don't know, I'm just able to give them so much more grace because like, when it comes to a monster movie, like, dude, I'm a simple man. You give me some kind of like big, you know, scary beastly, and then like some like old man drifter with a shotgun taking it on. I'm there, you know, I'm having a good time. And so, yeah, I don't know. And you know, like I said, for me, it's like the same as like the 1998 Godzilla film, the American one in that.

Eli (02:58:43.038)
I think that's a good though.

Eli (02:58:47.241)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (02:58:56.392)
Yeah. Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (02:59:09.465)
Which is funny, I don't know if you know this but...

the Japanese audience reacted to that movie so terribly that number one, they refer to the creature in that movie as Zilla, not Godzilla. And number two, in the movie Godzilla Final Wars from like 2000 or 2004, I can't remember, it's like literally Godzilla fights a bunch of different monsters and kills them all. And that's the first one that he fights and the fight is over in like two seconds.

Eli (02:59:35.774)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (02:59:42.416)
decimate Zilla in that movie. But for me it's kind of the same category as that where it's like you know people can argue it's not a great movie I could definitely understand that but for me I just I have a good time with it regardless you know and I wish I would be like that more honestly I feel like I definitely could tend to be a lot more critical.

Eli (02:59:45.332)
That's funny.

Eli (02:59:56.958)
Yeah. Yeah. So.

Jean-Pierre (03:00:05.198)
of other genres, especially when comes to superhero movies and lot of other blockbusters, I'm going to be much more critical. But something like this, I don't know.

Eli (03:00:05.406)
Yeah.

Eli (03:00:10.16)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. It's hard. It's tough. it also like the mood you go into something with too can affect like your experience with it. There's a lot, the moral is like go watch The Lost World Jurassic Park with JP's eyes and not mine if you want to enjoy it. Because to me, it's a lot of plot and no story.

Jean-Pierre (03:00:22.082)
Mm-hmm. Mm.

Jean-Pierre (03:00:32.494)
You

Jean-Pierre (03:00:38.54)
Yeah, like even this year there's been a few kind of monster-esque flicks that have come out. Like I went and saw... April I saw Abigail, which I really liked. I thought it was really good. But despite the fact that they ruined the best twist in the movie in the trailer. So the first half of the movie they're trying to figure out who's killing everybody. It's like, we already know who was doing it. But it still is really, really, really, really fun. It's a great like, kind of like horror comedy action flick.

Eli (03:00:53.668)
Right, yeah.

Eli (03:00:58.782)
Yeah, that's what I've heard. Yeah.

Eli (03:01:07.114)
Mm.

Jean-Pierre (03:01:08.494)
I found out it's the people who did Ready or Not, would... No, they did... I don't know if it was Ready or Not, or I think they also did the movie You're Next, which I've seen You're Next, not Ready or Not, but You're Next was really fun. And also, that same time, a movie called Sting came out, which is about this...

Eli (03:01:11.112)
Yeah,

Eli (03:01:27.498)
Sting. Okay.

Jean-Pierre (03:01:28.646)
Sting which was about like this alien spider basically that kind of takes on starts killing people this like apartment building and It was it was pretty cheesy. I gave like a three and a half I gave it the same rating as Abigail actually I gave them both or maybe I gave Abigail four stars. I think I gave Sting like three and a half like I was like, you know what? Hey, it's a nice little 90-minute like thriller. It was pretty campy It felt like a throwback to like something from like the 50s in some ways and it tried to have a decent message so

Eli (03:01:47.966)
Gotcha.

Jean-Pierre (03:01:58.52)
I don't know I just and there's another one coming out soon with Anthony Mackie I just saw the trailer for called elevation which comes out in November and I'm like it's probably gonna be good but you best believe I'm gonna go see it I mean, don't know. It's just you know, big big CGI alien creature thing and a post-apocalyptic environment. I'm there, you know

Eli (03:01:59.38)
Yeah.

Eli (03:02:16.372)
Yeah.

Hey, gotta, I gotta love it. Gotta respect the, the, the dedication to your genre. You know, gotta respect it. yeah, yeah, I, I did enjoy that one. I, I, I have a great respect for the first one that I didn't care for the second one that much, in relation to the first one, but I thought this one was

Jean-Pierre (03:02:30.185)
Quiet Place Day 1, was another one that came out this year, that was great. It was so good, actually.

Eli (03:02:48.498)
was better. It was kind of somewhere in between the first and the second one for me. I know a lot of people did like the second one, but I was... I don't know. I'm probably... that's fine. Yeah, but it's not something I have strong feelings about.

Jean-Pierre (03:02:52.462)
Okay, all right, interesting.

Jean-Pierre (03:03:00.318)
I think it's as good as the first personally. I put them... yeah.

Jean-Pierre (03:03:09.286)
I just, think my thing with that series as much as I love it is I'm like, at some point, we need to move past, we need to get from point A to point B quietly. That's the only, that's like my only gripe with the franchise at this point is like, I'm hoping, I'm hoping we get part three to finish a storyline.

Eli (03:03:18.57)
Ha

Jean-Pierre (03:03:27.372)
with like the main family, the Abbott family and like them kind of taking the fight to the Death Angels. I want that movie, but it's also one of those franchises where like I don't want them to milk it, but honestly there's so many stories they could tell within the world that would be interesting. But at some point it can't just be, we've got to get point B quietly as possible. know, cause like literally all three movies so far that's kind of

Eli (03:03:53.532)
Yeah. Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (03:03:57.557)
the main plot you can argue.

Eli (03:03:59.112)
Yeah. Yeah. I, I'll tell you this for, for day one, I was like, I was all on board for going to get some pizza. was like, heck yes, dude. Let's go get some pizza. That's what's up. That's what I'll, you know, you've got your priorities straight at the end of the world. I want a good slice of pizza. You know,

Jean-Pierre (03:04:12.429)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (03:04:18.062)
Also, most unrealistic cat I've ever seen in my life. Ain't no way. That cat, that was not a cat. That was like a, that was like a guardian angel, familiar, or it might've been an alien itself. Ain't no way. Ain't no way.

Eli (03:04:23.178)
Yeah, that cat is something.

Eli (03:04:33.77)
Yeah, I guess just to wrap up this discussion bringing us ruling us back in To me, I really feel like Spielberg is I think with this film he sort of realizes he's He he had a strange like transition point coming out of the 80s into the 90s and then he hits like Knockout year with Jurassic Park and Schindler's List

And I think this movie was him trying to go back to the well that he's just kind of like tapped out of at this point to me. It's like, I don't know, it feels like there's a lot of very bored and lazy choices made. That feels like he's just kind of going through the motions of making this kind of big blockbuster movie.

I maybe a scene, a cut sequence that is definitive of that is going from a mother screaming because her daughter has just been torn apart by compies to Ian Malcolm yawning. Like it's literally a transition cut from the mother screaming mouth to Ian Malcolm's mouth yawning.

Jean-Pierre (03:05:43.712)
Which which I gotta say

Jean-Pierre (03:05:50.124)
Which I gotta say, one of the most brilliant like crossfades I've ever seen in my life. Like I love, like it's really weird in context, but it is kind of brilliant filmmaking to be honest. Like it's iconic.

Eli (03:05:56.682)
Hey

Eli (03:06:00.616)
Yeah.

Eli (03:06:04.904)
Yeah, but I yeah, I think it's I think it's a visual representation of Spielberg feeling like he's ready to move on to a different phase of his career. And I think that's what he does. He he really like after this, he really kind of fully commits to his post Schindler's List era. You know, he he really doesn't do another like all and wonder childlike

movie until he goes back to the Indiana Jones rail well with Crystal Skull in 2008. And then, you know, he does Adventures of 1010 is the movie after that. So he really doesn't go back to that well until then. I mean, like Catch Me If You Can is a fun movie, but it's an adult fun movie. It's not. And so, you know, he's really doing a lot more serious movies. And then like the

Jean-Pierre (03:06:55.821)
Yeah.

Eli (03:07:04.616)
the one or two that you could say are more fun movies, like Catch Me If You Can, War of the Worlds, they don't have the same feel as like Jurassic Park and E.T. all those.

Jean-Pierre (03:07:16.942)
Dude, that, his take on War of the Worlds, that movie is... I think I rewatched that pretty recently and dude, the tension. It's like the cracking glass scene in this movie, but it's like the entire movie is like that. It's so good.

Eli (03:07:22.086)
I'm really excited to rewatch it. Yeah.

I'm really excited to re-watch that one.

Yeah, stretched out. Yeah, cool. That's good to hear. I'm glad to hear that. But yeah, that's kind of my final thought on this movie is Ian Malcolm yawning is Spielberg showing us that he's kind of ready to do a different phase of his career and fully dive into it. And I think that's what he does. So I'm excited to get into that.

Jean-Pierre (03:07:51.96)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (03:07:56.652)
Yeah, I can't remember if I said this on the Empire of the Sun episode, you know...

Spielberg obviously is someone whose films I'm very fond of. I have grown up watching so many of them, whether it Indiana Jones, whether it be, you know, the like ETs, stuff like that, Jurassic Park. But he's someone that I just, I wonder if he's past his prime at this point. Cause I really can't remember the last Spielberg movie I've seen in recent years that I was like, wow, that was, that was a Steven Spielberg movie. You know what I mean? So, and it's

Eli (03:08:07.902)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (03:08:32.456)
Yeah, I-

Jean-Pierre (03:08:34.368)
It's kind of a sad thing to think about sometimes for me.

Eli (03:08:36.68)
Yeah, I think, I think I'm really enjoying actually this era of Spielberg. Like I'm, I'm excited to see what he does next. Cause I really enjoyed his West side story. and, and, and I thought the fabled ones was really great. I thought it was a really, really good movie. and so I'm excited to see what he does next. I know he has a couple of things on, on the docket. Like I know at some point.

Jean-Pierre (03:08:50.764)
I did like that one a lot actually.

Eli (03:09:06.248)
there was like a Bullet remake with I think Bradley Cooper in the Steve McQueen role as Frank Bullet. So that would be cool to see. I think that would be a fun remake that he would do well with.

Jean-Pierre (03:09:16.184)
Hmm. Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (03:09:23.244)
I feel like also he, you know, within the last like kind of two decades, he's also kind of stepped way more into a kind of producer, executive producer, producer role too. So, yeah.

Eli (03:09:34.408)
Well, he's he's always done. He's always been doing that. He's just doing that. He's doing that, I think, probably to the same degree, but just directing less often.

Jean-Pierre (03:09:44.684)
I just think within the last 20 years, especially within last 10 years, there's probably more movies that I've really enjoyed that he's been more involved behind the scenes than movies he's done recently that he's the director of that I really enjoyed. I would say that.

Eli (03:09:58.506)
Okay, yeah, that's fair. Yeah. I think I shared in the kind of intermission between the 80s and 90s episode that I think it was between like, I don't know, like early nine, like 92 through like, 2013, there was only one year that didn't have a movie directed or produced by Spielberg. Through that, like, nearly two decades span.

or over two decades band. So just cra like the dude is crazy. And the dude was crazy for like a long time of just producing stuff and directing it. And, but yeah, I'm excited to see what he does next. this one, that, and yeah, this, this too, like he's started, in between Schindler's list and this movie, he started dream works.

Jean-Pierre (03:10:34.37)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (03:10:58.926)
Hmm.

Eli (03:10:59.51)
Which like who starts a new studio like Yeah, so Amblin was a production company but Dreamworks is a full-on studio And he starts to I think they start Dreamworks in 94 and so this movie is not Dreamworks because Universal already had their the Jurassic Park, right rights, but next

Jean-Pierre (03:11:03.392)
I realize it was that late. Yeah, I mean, I feel like... Yeah. Right.

Eli (03:11:26.722)
When we cover Amistad in a couple weeks, that's his first movie. It's not the first DreamWorks movie. There were like two others that year also that came out before Amistad, but Amistad was his first movie with DreamWorks as the studio that he made. And it's just crazy that like this dude was so big that he was just like, I'm going to start a whole studio, not just like a production company, but

a whole studio and that's just a whole nother animal that's yeah just wild

Jean-Pierre (03:11:58.934)
Yeah. It is also very rare for a studio to do both live action and animated content. And I think you can argue that their animated stuff has been...

Eli (03:12:05.193)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (03:12:10.51)
is kind of like the stuff that's a lot more popular. mean, the Shrek franchise. Was the Wild Robot Dreamworks, I think? Yeah, so it's like, I think, I mean, I literally saw someone was like, they also took their kid to go see it. And they were like, it was great. Disney really needs to take some notes from Dreamworks, you know? They obviously don't put out as much animated content, but I feel like what they do choose to create and put out is like,

Eli (03:12:12.744)
Yeah. Yeah, it was. And it's great. It's great.

Eli (03:12:30.717)
Yeah.

Eli (03:12:35.87)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (03:12:38.318)
pretty top tier stuff and I feel like they're definitely, I feel like as Dizzy kind of leans into more just doing like schlock just for the sake of like making kids content. I like DreamWorks is really still trying to be like, hey kids can also handle kind of like mature stories as well. Like we can, it doesn't have to be just a bunch of bright colors and a bunch of fart jokes the whole time, you know what I mean? So.

Eli (03:12:39.679)
Yeah.

Eli (03:12:46.974)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (03:13:00.915)
Yeah, yeah Yeah, so that you know he has a lot going on and while making this to is getting his studio go and so That might also like contribute to his seeming distraction with this movie, but yeah, that's that's it for this one I think we already mentioned Or maybe it was off. It was before we started recording I

Jean-Pierre (03:13:24.942)
I it was before we started.

Eli (03:13:27.452)
I mentioned that I gave this movie a two and a half star. just, as much as I love dinosaurs, maybe it is, but I'm also like having to compare it to other Spielberg movies because I'm working through the filmography and I have, there's a few that I have like three stars that I liked like enough more than this movie to like say, okay, I guess this is a two and a half.

Jean-Pierre (03:13:32.898)
Little harsh. Little harsh.

Jean-Pierre (03:13:40.482)
fair.

Jean-Pierre (03:13:52.398)
Do you think this is one of his worst movies he's ever made? I feel like this would probably be pretty low as far as your Spielberg rankings.

Eli (03:13:56.994)
Probably. Yeah, so actually I have it right above hook. I know people I people probably aren't happy with me for my dislike of hook. But I like dinosaurs more than Peter Pan. So I have this one right above hook. And then.

Jean-Pierre (03:14:05.666)
That's crazy.

Jean-Pierre (03:14:11.606)
Yeah, the pitchforks and torches are coming out, bro.

Jean-Pierre (03:14:20.972)
sphere.

Eli (03:14:23.932)
Other than that, like the Twilight Zone movie, I have it ranked for his segment, which is not good at all. And then Always and 19 always in 1941 are just are both terrible, my opinion. Always looks really good. And 1941 has some really good like set pieces, too, but they're just like as movies and stories, they're just like not good at all. So, yeah, this is like in the bottom.

Jean-Pierre (03:14:31.904)
I think that one doesn't really count.

Jean-Pierre (03:14:38.53)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (03:14:54.372)
bottom few movies for me like look like bottom tier spillberg but jp watch the movie with jp's eyes because he has it higher

Jean-Pierre (03:15:01.026)
Fair?

Jean-Pierre (03:15:04.962)
Well, was going say it was interesting because as we were talking offline, realized that one of the things I did a few years ago when I started taking Letterboxd more seriously is I

I kind of like from memory tried to go through and give a rating for any movie I could think of that I knew that I saw. And so I realized that I actually have Jurassic Park OG 1993 as a five stars and I actually have The Lost World listed as four. Even though I do enjoy it more and it's definitely my favorite of the franchise. But I think I think it was for me it was more.

Eli (03:15:28.905)
Yeah.

Eli (03:15:35.55)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (03:15:42.152)
Yeah, I think it's fair to say this movie is better, but I like this movie more. Like that's a fair distinction, I think. Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (03:15:49.154)
Yeah, yeah. For sure. Like, like I, you know, it's, it's definitely not my elite. Yeah. I don't know if there's any like Spielberg movie I really like have lower than maybe a three star. Like I think like,

Eli (03:16:04.628)
Don't watch 1941.

Jean-Pierre (03:16:07.95)
Honestly, part of me feels like I kinda wanna watch it, cause I feel like maybe I would think it's kinda silly and enjoy it. I mean, I think like, you know, like the ridiculous six, I think that movie's really funny, as stupid as it is, so, you know.

Eli (03:16:20.562)
Yeah, I didn't laugh. I don't remember laughing really at all in 1941.

Jean-Pierre (03:16:26.094)
Yeah, like I get like a ready player one has like three and a half stars and kind of stuff like that. yeah, no, so I can concede that it's definitely possible outside of like the Jurassic World franchise. I can concede of the three, you know, I can understand why somebody would think it's the worst of the three, although it is my favorite three. So I can definitely concede that.

Eli (03:16:30.579)
Yeah.

Eli (03:16:41.566)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (03:16:49.544)
Yeah, I did like I watched Jurassic Park 3, which is directed by Joe Johnson, not Spielberg. But I liked Jurassic Park 3. I liked the story a little bit more. It seems like they had a little bit better handle on like the daylight CGI in Jurassic Park 3. I think the Pteranodon sequences are really fun. Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (03:16:56.526)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (03:17:16.696)
Joe Johnson's done some really, it's interesting that he's the one that did Dress Park 3, because if I'm remembering some of the movies I've seen of him, he has a very Spielbergian vibe to some of his stuff.

Eli (03:17:20.681)
Yeah.

Well, he...

Eli (03:17:27.058)
Yeah, well he wanted to do the second one. Like he had approached Spielberg and was like, hey, if you do a sequel, I really want to do it. But then Spielberg did it. And so I guess when they decided they were going to do the third one, Spielberg remembered that and asked him if he wanted to do it.

Jean-Pierre (03:17:42.582)
Yeah, did he do the Rocketeer?

Eli (03:17:47.072)
Say that again.

Jean-Pierre (03:17:48.206)
Didn't he do the Rocketeer in like the kind of late 90s? I want to say he did maybe. I recently watched his take. Okay, that movie I feel like it's very Spielbergian feeling from what I remember. It's been a long time since I've seen it. And then I...

Eli (03:17:50.516)
Joe Johnston? Yes, he did.

Eli (03:18:03.786)
That was 91.

Jean-Pierre (03:18:05.262)
I got to see, I watched his version of The Wolfman recently with Benicio Del Toro and I gave it two and a half stars. I loved how violent it was. Like it was actually shockingly pretty violent for like a mid 2010s film and

Eli (03:18:11.593)
Okay.

Jean-Pierre (03:18:22.638)
And it takes itself very seriously, but it's also very messy. But yeah, I'm just looking he also did like yeah He did jumanji. He did october sky, which is a movie. I definitely watch as a kid And he also did the first captain america movie, which is pretty solid. So yeah, I think I think he he definitely Is the was the right person to kind of do? he also did a hidalgo. Okay. I haven't seen that movie in forever, but I like that movie when it came out, too So I definitely think he's he's definitely someone that that can

Eli (03:18:25.246)
Hmm. He did Jumanji too.

Honey, I shrunk the kids.

Eli (03:18:47.145)
Mm.

Jean-Pierre (03:18:52.758)
was a good choice to kind of make an entry into a franchise that's a Spielberg franchise for sure.

Eli (03:18:54.441)
Yeah.

Eli (03:18:57.938)
Yeah. Yeah. And I forgot to mention this earlier. We were talking about, the special when we were talking about special effects and like the making of stuff, but there's, there's a documentary. So I have like the blue ray, like, this is actually the Jurassic world ultimate collection, but it has like Jurassic park all the way through dominion. yeah. So it has all six of the movies.

Jean-Pierre (03:19:18.648)
shame on you. okay. There you go.

Eli (03:19:24.606)
But it has this documentary called Return to Jurassic Park, which is a six part documentary. And it has it split on the disk between the first three movies. But it's really good, because it goes through all of the three first movies and does all the behind the scenes stuff and interviews. it's really good. if you have the

Jean-Pierre (03:19:48.152)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (03:19:53.06)
Blu-ray collection like I have then you can probably watch those on those different discs But you could probably also find the doc the whole documentary just all together or somewhere out there Yeah So I recommend that it's it's a good watch

Jean-Pierre (03:20:02.058)
Mm-hmm, like YouTube or something Well, I know know Yeah, I know we're trying to wrap up the episode here but I guess my question for you is who do you think is someone that You think is currently kind of carrying that Spielberg mantle outside of the man himself. I know we talked about Jordan Peele Definitely, especially with like a movie like nope Yeah

Eli (03:20:24.914)
Yeah, he doesn't make enough movies. That's the only problem with Peele is,

Jean-Pierre (03:20:29.634)
Well, I guess not maybe not in the frequency of movies, but I'm talking about someone who matches that vibe of like the most iconic Spielbergian blockbusters. I know we talked about, but we talked about Jordan Peele with Nope and how that that's a very Spielberg feeling movie. Obviously very influenced by Jaws, you know.

Eli (03:20:34.641)
Okay.

Eli (03:20:44.722)
Yeah. I think, so I think, this might be a surprising answer, but Bong Joon-ho, can make a mean blockbuster movie and he has one actually coming out, early next year with Mickey 17 that I'm excited to see. Cause I mean, parasite was incredible. snow piercer is great. Oakja. really enjoy.

Jean-Pierre (03:21:03.222)
Mickey 17. Very excited for it.

Jean-Pierre (03:21:12.78)
Yeah.

Eli (03:21:15.118)
The host speaking of monster movies is really fun. So I think Ban Ju Ho and he has a very like, he just like has a very good handle on those big blockbuster-y kind of movies. So I would say him, I mean, the easy answer is Christopher Nolan.

Jean-Pierre (03:21:18.56)
Mm-hmm, I forgot that was his movie.

Jean-Pierre (03:21:43.82)
It's so different though. I mean, I definitely agree, but yeah.

Eli (03:21:45.98)
It's different, but it's not. He makes the blockbuster movie and he's a household name that makes blockbuster movies that are both... that he makes both serious ones and like really fun action-y sci-fi ones. So to me, that's the most like direct comparison, even though like their films look and feel different as far as like a household name that makes big budget movies.

Jean-Pierre (03:22:03.938)
See you.

Jean-Pierre (03:22:09.442)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (03:22:14.43)
that everyone sees big ensemble casts. That's the most direct comparison, I think. But yeah.

Jean-Pierre (03:22:26.06)
Yeah. I'm okay with that. I feel like part of me would want to throw like Dinev and Ove out there, but I feel like his movies are just way too artsy to be compared to Spielberg. Like not to say like Spielberg does have some very iconic cinematography in some of his films, but I feel like when I think of Spielberg movies, it's never the cinematography that sticks out to me, you know?

Eli (03:22:34.132)
Yeah. Yeah.

Eli (03:22:42.814)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (03:22:52.488)
It's the camera work to me. It's the...

Jean-Pierre (03:22:54.208)
It's the camera work, it's the characters, it's the way that tells the story for sure. Whereas opposed to like a Nolan or a Villeneuve, like there's like scenes that I would print out as a poster for my wall. You know what I mean?

Eli (03:22:58.174)
Mm-hmm.

Eli (03:23:05.226)
sure sure yeah Villeneuve is I don't know he he's he's a little bit different register to me than he's like yeah he's technically making blockbuster movies but it's kind of a different in a different register than like a Nolan blockbuster or a Spielberg blockbuster which kind of feel like of the same mold in a way

Jean-Pierre (03:23:11.31)
I mean he's crushed it with the Dune part 1 and 2. Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (03:23:32.79)
Yeah, that's fair.

Eli (03:23:34.974)
But yeah, I can't really think of anybody else.

Jean-Pierre (03:23:36.206)
I think for me, Jordan Peele is, it would be my, I mean, I know we already talked about it, but.

Eli (03:23:41.29)
Peel is the most... Peel... Peel... I say that like, Get Out and Us like, aren't like terribly Spielbergian feeling, but nope.

Jean-Pierre (03:23:53.42)
I think us is a lot more than to get out for sure.

Eli (03:23:57.32)
Yeah, Nope definitely is like... When I saw it, I thought this is like Jaws in the Sky, the minute I walked out of the theater. yeah, other than that, can't really... Nobody else really comes to mind. I mean...

Jean-Pierre (03:24:03.97)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (03:24:14.093)
Yeah.

I would say maybe, maybe, I don't know if you know these guys, but Aaron Mornehead and Justin Benson.

So they're like directing duo they've done a movie called the endless which I really love I recommend everybody see that. But more recently they've actually kind of solidified themselves as like Marvel's go to guy so they did they did some episodes of Moon Knight. They did like the best episodes in my opinion. They actually directed all of Loki season 2 and they are the ones that Marvel brought in when they did the refresh on Daredevil born again. So like I don't know if you know anything about that but like they

Eli (03:24:44.329)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (03:24:56.08)
They kind of filmed some of it and Kevin Feige was basically like, this all sucks. We're hitting the reset on this and then they brought in Aaron Morehead and Justin Benson to kind of take over and they've kind of like reshot everything now. So part of me is like, it's Marvel. I hope it's gonna be good but part of me is like, I like those guys a lot. They've done a lot of like kind of very...

Eli (03:25:00.618)
Yeah.

Eli (03:25:10.622)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (03:25:21.826)
The couple of movies they've done are very Spielbergian feeling. And they're also starting to help produce a lot of stuff more now as well, which also is very Spielbergian. So maybe them as well.

Eli (03:25:32.52)
Yeah. Yeah. I was kind of scrolling through just like my highest rated movies on letterbox just to kind of see if I could see anyone. The only other person that like was like, maybe this not exactly like Spielberg Ian and the way they feel, but just like a guy that makes like that here, especially here recently is kind of making these big genre movies as a Ryan Johnson. you know, he's got

the Knives Out franchise, he's got Looper, though his kind of take on Star Wars was... but yeah, it... Ryan Johnson kind of feels like if a Spielberg was like really trying to make genre movies more... yeah, Gareth Edwards is fair. I was also thinking about Matt Reeves if he wasn't so like stuck to franchises.

Jean-Pierre (03:26:05.773)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (03:26:10.552)
controversial to say the least.

Jean-Pierre (03:26:22.914)
Gareth Edwards. Wait.

Jean-Pierre (03:26:31.694)
That's true. That's true.

Eli (03:26:32.33)
he feels like he could be working in that register. be a Gareth Edwards, Matt Reeves, Gareth Edwards is. Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (03:26:40.122)
I think Gareth Edwards is so good at producing that same sense of scale and wonder that we get from some of the best of Spielberg for sure, which is why I'm so excited.

Eli (03:26:46.546)
Yeah, no. Yeah. And we did we talk about that off mic too? I think we did. We were talking about how like he needs so Spielberg, I'll say in Spielberg early on kind of learned that he has great ideas, but isn't a very good writer. And I was saying Gareth Edwards kind of feels the same. Like he has great ideas, but he needs a good writer to to write his movies for him.

Jean-Pierre (03:26:53.55)
We definitely

Jean-Pierre (03:27:04.002)
Mm-hmm.

Jean-Pierre (03:27:08.236)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (03:27:13.592)
Which like we said, on screen while we recording, we were both very excited for his take on Jurassic Park. And if it comes out bad, there's nothing that could happen. If it's bad, there's nothing that would make me want to blame him. I know it's not gonna be his fault. Because I have not hated, I love every movie he's made so far. So I think he's one of those directors where I'm like...

Eli (03:27:19.614)
Yes.

Eli (03:27:30.442)
You

Eli (03:27:36.969)
Yeah.

Jean-Pierre (03:27:41.932)
I don't think, even like the creator, you said, the story, like the script overall wasn't great, but visually, absolutely insane. So,

Eli (03:27:47.475)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, but Gareth Edwards is kind of stuck to franchises too, other than the creator and I guess like his kind of original, yeah, which I haven't seen, but like his other three are going to be Godzilla, Rogue One, and then this new Jurassic World movie. I don't know. just wish direct, I just wish guys like that were more working in original stuff like Spielberg did. But you know, that's the world we live in, I guess.

Jean-Pierre (03:27:54.734)
Well, the creator was like original.

his first film, Monsters.

Jean-Pierre (03:28:09.495)
I'll do some more stuff.

Jean-Pierre (03:28:15.309)
Yeah.

Eli (03:28:21.655)
But I guess just wrapping up that's that's really all we have for this week next week JP is going to join me again and we're gonna since this is a movie that JP feels like is a little underrated I thought it would be fun to kind of roll off of that and talk about some of our favorites under films that we really like that we feel are underrated Should be a fun discussion

and I guess we'll do like a top three or top five style kind of discussion in that way. And yeah, so that's next week and then we'll pick back up with Spielberg's Amistad the week after that. So looking forward to that. I have never seen Amistad before so decided to fill in that blind spot. Cool. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Not a good time but...

Jean-Pierre (03:29:06.382)
Wow

It was, we had it on DVD growing up, so I've seen it quite a few times, and it's great. It's a good time. Well, I mean, it's a little depressing and sad, but it's a phenomenal film. Anthony Hopkins is great.

Eli (03:29:19.127)
A good movie. Yeah, okay. Good to hear. Yeah, yeah. Morgan Freeman. Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. yeah, until then, I have been Eli Price for JP Boudreaux. You've been listening to The Establishing Shot. We will see you next time.