The Royal Tenenbaums (w/ Harrison Fredericks)

Eli Price (00:38.199)
Hello everyone and welcome to The Establishing Shot, a podcast where we do deep dives into directors and their filmographies. We are four episodes in and we are excited to keep things going with this Wes Anderson series. Today we're gonna be discussing the movie, The Royal Tenenbaums, Wes Anderson's third movie. And we have with us today Harrison Frederick.

Harrison is a first-time host jumping on with us. So I'm excited to have Harrison on Harrison actually has a YouTube channel Instagram kind of going hard into movies talking about Just all sorts of stuff moving. He does a lot of movie news stuff trailer talks He did a trailer talk on the Power Rangers Trailer that was making me laugh that I saw recently so

Yeah Harrison, just tell us a little bit about yourself and how you got into movies.

Harrison Fredericks (01:41.526)
Hey Eli, thanks for having me, man. I'm glad to be here. I actually got started with movies at a pretty young age. Believe it or not, my mom was like a huge movie nerd when she was a kid. And so when I was a kid, all of that passion for movies, old Hollywood classics, musicals, her passion for those movies transferred down to me and my siblings. So I remember growing up watching

Eli Price (01:54.912)
Okay.

Harrison Fredericks (02:10.626)
John Wayne, Scenic in the Rain, like all of the classics. That's what I grew up on. And yeah, that's pretty much how it got started for me. As I got older, I got really into the behind the scenes of how movies were made. I just had, I don't know what it is. I think I just really wanted to know how movies were made. And so as I got older, I got really interested in the production process of how films are created.

Eli Price (02:14.241)
Yeah.

Harrison Fredericks (02:40.098)
how things are shot, how things are lit with light. So that just kind of evolved into high school and college where, man, I was just diving head first into as much like YouTube videos behind the scenes, like DVDs as I could get my hands on. And yeah, like you said, I have a YouTube channel. I talk about movies that I'm still like very passionate about that to this day. So yeah, I think that's kind of where I'm at currently with, you know.

my fandom for movies.

Eli Price (03:11.099)
Yeah, yeah. And you've actually you didn't you weren't you in a short with with some of our friends that played kind of at a local like a local film festival here in Lafayette.

Harrison Fredericks (03:23.826)
Yeah, I've actually, I've been a part of several production crews who have created shorts locally here in Lafayette. I haven't starred in any of them, but I have been a crew member. I think I was part of the writing team for one of them, so more behind the scenes stuff. But hey, I'm game to get in front of the camera if I need to, man.

Eli Price (03:28.847)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (03:37.055)
Okay.

Eli Price (03:47.799)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I thought you had done something with Ryan, but maybe that was for something else.

Harrison Fredericks (03:57.318)
Yeah, Ryan, Ryan is my best friend and he just so happens to be a film nerd as well. So there's a lot of collaboration of us together over the years. And yeah, I think I don't want to spoil too much, but he is going to be a key part of the Wes Anderson talk, I think, for this episode for me. But we'll get to that a little bit later.

Eli Price (04:00.471)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Eli Price (04:18.898)
Alright.

Great. Yeah, so what was your introduction into Wes Anderson? What's the first one you saw?

Harrison Fredericks (04:25.982)
Well, OK, let's let's get into it. Me and Ryan Watts, we were roommates in college at U.L. and he wanted to show me this movie called The Grand Budapest Hotel. I had never heard of it. I had never heard of Wes Anderson. And he was like, Dude, you have to watch this movie with me. It's by my favorite director. You're going to love it. I was like, OK, I mean, I'm game. I'm pretty good about, you know.

Eli Price (04:39.263)
Yeah.

Harrison Fredericks (04:54.262)
going outside of the box and trying new movies. So we watched Grand Budapest Hotel in our college dorm and it was awesome. Like loved it. It probably still is my favorite one that he's, that I've seen of him so far. But yeah, that was my introduction. And man, I think I got the, like the icing of the cake as my first taste test of Wes Anderson. So yeah.

Eli Price (05:19.951)
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's definitely his biggest, most well-known film, I think. Most successful, for sure. I feel like Fantastic Mr. Fox kind of has a broader audience, so it might be a little bit more well-known, but Grand Budapest is definitely his kind of like... I guess what most people would say is like his masterpiece movie. So, you know, yeah, definitely a good one to get introduced to.

For sure.

Harrison Fredericks (05:50.794)
Yeah, dude, it was, I, I, it's a very distinct college memory of watching that with Ryan in the dorm. And, and then us just kind of like nerding out about it afterwards. Just like, because that was my first experience with obviously Wes Anderson, but also just like his style and his unique approach to filmmaking. And I was like, man, this guy is so cool because he is so unique. And that's, yeah, he's.

Eli Price (06:01.443)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (06:09.545)
Yes.

Eli Price (06:13.154)
Yeah.

Harrison Fredericks (06:20.618)
I mean, Wes Anderson has been on my radar ever since then. And I'm really glad that Ryan introduced me to that film.

Eli Price (06:23.925)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (06:28.999)
Yeah, yeah, I don't know if Ryan is gonna listen but shout out to Ryan for that Yeah Yeah, so, you know, I don't know At this point we were actually recording before the first episode has actually released so In that first episode and I think a little bit in the others we kind of we talk about how You know when Wes was getting started there were some people kind of like that were

involved in in getting him going like with his first film bottle rocket producer jim brooks and Even like later on after rushmore had released his second film martin scorcese Kind of did this piece in esquire and both of them just in different interviews and pieces kind of talked about how west anderson Uh, you know with bottle rocket. It was like the birth not of a career but of a voice like a voice in film

And so it's cool to hear you not even having heard us talk about that. Just recognize like he has a unique voice. He's not just another director, but he's bringing something different to the table, for sure. So, yeah, it's cool to hear you just recognize that, you know, as most people probably do. Yeah, so we're going to jump into this. We've.

We've covered, obviously, Wes Anderson in an overview episode, just talking about his themes and themes throughout his movies, his techniques and his filmmaking. And so if you haven't listened to episode one, stop what you're doing. Go back and listen to episode one. It's going to set you up for success and really being able to dig deep into these movies with us. But yeah, so we're going to jump into his third movie today.

The Royal Tenenbaums. Harrison, this was your first viewing of the Royal Tenenbaums, if I'm not mistaken.

Harrison Fredericks (08:28.91)
That's right. First time I had I had been aware of it, like I knew the name, did not really know anything about context, plot lines. I mean, of course, I expected some of those familiar faces from his other movies like Owen Wilson and people like that. But yeah, totally fresh take did not have any expectations for what I was going to watch. So that's that's always nice to fly in under the radar, you know.

Eli Price (08:33.079)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (08:58.779)
Yeah, yeah, I love going into movies knowing basically nothing Uh, it's it just makes it more fun. But yeah, yeah Yeah, so he um, this was his third movie and it's actually he's his first three movies. He co-wrote with owen wilson um, so um this one, uh, obviously he co-wrote with owen wilson too as um They you know, they were really uh Integral in each other's

Harrison Fredericks (09:05.065)
Oh, absolutely.

Eli Price (09:26.967)
career starts. They really kind of, you know, they were friends and they kind of, I guess, urged each other on and did some work, a lot of collaboration work together in the beginning. And so, yeah, it's cool to see, it's cool to see how they grew as writing partners. But it's just interesting after this, they don't write anything else together again. And so, you know, I'd like to see them come back together and

And write another one together someday, but we'll have to see. But yeah, so this one written with Owen Wilson, Wes Anderson. What's what's cool about this one is it's his first. It's his first movie with like a real Hollywood budget, not like a huge budget, but but it's not like a big budget film, but a real like Hollywood movie budget. So his first movie, A Bottle Rocket.

had a seven million dollar budget, like not very big, like obviously bigger than you and I might ever see in our lifetime. But, uh, you know, I mean, if you're out there and you want to give me and Harry seven million dollars, uh, budget to, you know, do whatever then go for it. But, uh, yeah, yeah. Um, but yeah, seven million on his first one. And then surprise, it was surprising when I looked this up, um, Rushmore, which is a, a

Harrison Fredericks (10:30.598)
Yeah, definitely.

Harrison Fredericks (10:38.646)
Hey, I'm Dame.

Harrison Fredericks (10:42.867)
Let's invest it, man.

Eli Price (10:53.619)
much more refined movie has a lot more going on as far as like the filmmaking the way that he he shoots and you know the sets and their production and even having like some bigger names in there it was only a nine million dollar budget so he you know he only it it probably didn't help that bottle rocket only made four hundred thousand in Fox office after a seven million dollar budget but

Harrison Fredericks (11:20.302)
Man, that's tough.

Eli Price (11:22.899)
But yeah, so nine million for yeah for Rushmore. But now he has a 20 million dollar budget to work with. It's a solid, solid budget. And it, you know, it's actually one of his that has made the most like gross income just off of the budget. So it made 71 million dollars at box office. So he got in.

50 million on this movie. Obviously, it's not all going to West. But yeah, so it's cool to see his just progression. People started recognizing, oh, this guy is bringing something interesting to the table. Obviously, it didn't make as much as Grand Budapest. Grand Budapest just made so much money. I think it made like 150 million more than its budget. So.

Harrison Fredericks (12:13.577)
Oh yeah.

Harrison Fredericks (12:20.87)
thing. That's the big leads for someone like that, you know?

Eli Price (12:22.883)
Yeah. Yeah. But this was his this was his one that like really like people started catching on, I think, is the point here. One of his highest grossing films and really, I think, you know, his first two movies are pretty personal in that Bottle Rocket is really just like his him and Wes and those got him and Owen and those guys like story of like getting going.

getting started and making movies. You can see the parallels between their lives and the characters' lives in the movie. And then Rushmore, obviously, it's shot at his high school. It's about this kid who makes these plays, just like Wes did when he was in high school. It's very personal, but this one just feels very personal. So it's interesting to see his growth in that. It's like...

You have kind of some of those a little bit darker, deeper themes in Rushmore, but this one just like dives headfirst into those. Um, and, um, I, you know, we talked about in the overview, uh, the overview episode, how he, his parents were divorced when he was young. Uh, and he even talks about, uh, in interviews, how that was like the defining event of his childhood for him and his brothers.

And you can kind of see the effects of that in this movie, which is kind of centered around what happened when these kids' parents got divorced, or in their case, separated, not actually divorced. Yeah. So which, you know, this is a spoiler show, so we know that they eventually do. But yeah, anyways. But yeah, you know, it's.

Harrison Fredericks (14:04.458)
Right.

Eli Price (14:19.691)
What's interesting to me, and I'd like to hear your thoughts about this, whenever Wes talks about stuff like this and they're like, oh, is it you? Or, oh, is this based on your life? He's like, well, yeah, it's based on these ideas of things that I did or my characteristics or things that happened to me in my life. But he's always very particular about, but it's not based on anything in particular.

It's just I have these ideas of things that I've experienced or of people that I've known and their characteristics. And they just end up in my stories, those ideas and those people and those characteristics or ideas. And so yeah, what do you think about that? I feel like a lot of times we peg things on people, like, oh, this is about you. And they're like, well,

Obviously I wrote it so there's gonna be pieces of me in there, but it's not like it's about me Like it's about these characters in this story. I don't know. What do you do you have any thoughts on that sort of thing?

Harrison Fredericks (15:30.118)
Yeah, I mean, one of my favorite quotes, and I think it revolves around or pertains to the entertainment industry in particular, is art imitates life. And then usually the second half of that is life imitates art, right? But I'll use the, I'll use the first half of that for this, for this part. Uh, yeah, I think a lot of times artists, creative people, they do draw inspiration from their experience. I mean, that's a very normal thing.

Eli Price (15:44.6)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (15:55.909)
Mm-hmm.

Harrison Fredericks (15:57.762)
for creatives to do. And I think it is a really grounded place to start, you know? So a guy like Wes Anderson, I honestly didn't know that about his life, what you just said about his parents' divorce, they split up and like that has a traumatic effect on you as a child, right? So to be able to take that life event and try to make sense of it through a film, through what you create art in.

Eli Price (16:01.751)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (16:11.296)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (16:16.963)
Mm-hmm.

Harrison Fredericks (16:27.83)
That's art imitating life, you know? So I think he's probably, he's maybe trying to dodge it a little bit because he doesn't want a blanket statement. Everything in this movie is about my life, you know, because that's probably not true. But yeah, I mean, based on that information of of what he experienced as a kid with his parents splitting, I think that's a very real thing for him to try to work out in his head and through the creative process, you know?

Eli Price (16:35.948)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (16:55.048)
Yeah, yeah and uh and we'll talk a little bit about that when we get to kind of like some of the key points for sure In the movie, but I wanted to move on some some of the things kind of like Just what the beginnings of the movie were super interesting to me like for one He he gets Gene Hackman in this movie His third movie and he gets a big star like Gene Hackman and what's funny to me is so he

He had this idea for this character and he was like, I want it to be Gene Hackman. Like from the get go, it was always Gene Hackman. And so he got a meeting with Gene through his agent. And Gene was like, you know, tell, you know, I don't want to see it unless I see the script or whatever. And Wes is kind of telling him, you know, I want, I kind of want to write this character for you or whatever. And he's like, no, no, no, no, it's funny. Gene.

Hackman, even in an interview that I saw with Gene Hackman, he talks about the same, him and Wes kind of talk about the same thing, really like in the same way. They both remember it exactly the same way. He was like, I don't like it when people write things for me because they don't actually know me and how I would do it. And Wes is kind of like, well no, no, I'm not writing it. It's for you, I'm writing a character that you are gonna play well.

sort of thing and but ends up what happens is Gene gets the script, you know, he he still like doesn't really want to do it. Probably the main part is because they still don't really have enough money to like actually pay him what he wants. But his agent really wants him to do it. And he has a close relationship with his agent. So he goes ahead and does it. It's funny. It's like he's kind of like, yeah, he's kind of like forced into this movie and then it ends up being like, man.

Harrison Fredericks (18:43.577)
That's great.

Eli Price (18:49.891)
Gene Hackman is like perfect for Royal Tenenbaum and the movie does well. Yeah, it was just so funny to me that like he just really didn't wanna do it but ended up doing it anyway.

Harrison Fredericks (19:06.35)
See, my memory of Gene Hackman is from Hoosiers. So he's the coach, the hard-headed basketball coach. So I feel like that, he just, he gets, I don't know, maybe he's typecasted a little bit into that hard-nosed middle-aged man, like that kind of stuff. So I don't know. It's funny though that the agent was like, "'You're doing this, dude.'"

Eli Price (19:10.592)
Okay, yeah.

Eli Price (19:14.211)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (19:20.936)
Yeah, yeah.

Eli Price (19:30.847)
Oh, yeah. Yeah, I can't remember how many Jean Hackman films I've seen. I don't think I've seen a ton of them, but the probably the most recent one I watched was The Conversation. And I don't know if you've ever watched The Conversation, but he's it's a it's a very different like character, like he's very paranoid, like very like it's a it's a pretty stressful movie. But yeah, it's very different. So, you know, he has he.

Harrison Fredericks (19:44.575)
I haven't.

Harrison Fredericks (19:56.618)
Thank you.

Eli Price (20:00.071)
He does well. He kind of talks about how, you know, he doesn't like, I think it was Wes, actually, that talked about how when he was working with Gene, for one, it was like the hardest person he's ever worked with. I guess just like the kind of like, I guess, personality Gene has is just very like, he doesn't want you to tell him too much of what to do sort of thing. And

Harrison Fredericks (20:25.59)
What to do. Yeah.

Eli Price (20:29.755)
And Wes kind of had to learn how to work with that and let him run with the scene sort of thing. But yeah, so it's just funny. Someone that, a director that's so precise and detailed, but you can't really do that with Gene Hackman. You gotta just let him take the scene and do what he's gonna do with it sort of thing.

Harrison Fredericks (20:55.37)
Yeah, some of those actors, man, you just gotta let them go.

Eli Price (20:58.331)
Yeah. Yeah. The other one I wanted to point out as far as like the cast was Luke Wilson, you know, in Bottle Rocket, he's you know, he kind of has he's a different person in Bottle Rocket. He's a different kind of sort of character. A lot more. You can kind of see some darkness under the surface, but he's a lot more lighthearted there. And this character is really like feels like tormented through the movie.

And we'll get into his character a little later and what party plays but um Yeah, it was just interesting West said that Richie also was written for Luke Wilson and you wouldn't think that based on other roles He's had before this but um, he kind of talked about this story You know, he was close with the Wilsons obviously Luke is Owen's brother and they were all good friends and his dad was telling the story about How Luke had called him and he was away at you know?

School, I don't know. I guess like a boarding school or something like that. I'm not sure exactly but he he like called his dad and was talking about how like He didn't like it there and like he he just felt like he didn't belong or something and like his dad shows up Eventually at one point and like he's getting like elected to like a school office and like he's kind of like

one of the most popular kids like everyone knows him and likes him and you know, wants to be his friend and but like it's like Luke was like disconnected from that and it sort of is like Richie, like everyone, you know, people are like asking for his autographs and like saying, hey, like Richie, you know, or whatever. And he's like, feels so disconnected from that, like. Everyone likes him, but he doesn't have like the appreciation for that. He still feels.

kind of lonely and isolated for some reason. So it was interesting to me that like, he kind of took that one story from Luke's life and like kind of like pegged him for this character that related to that one story from his life. Maybe he saw something like, oh, Luke's gonna be able to pull this out in his acting somehow.

Harrison Fredericks (23:19.598)
Just to clarify, Luke Wilson is the youngest brother in the three children in Royal Tennis Bombs. The tennis player, okay. He's also in the Darjeeling Limited, right? Okay, cool. Just making sure. I figured that was him.

Eli Price (23:25.795)
I... He's the tennis player. I can't remember... I can't remember who's...

Eli Price (23:34.163)
Yes. I'm pretty sure. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so you can't really recognize him with the big beard until he shaves and stuff.

Harrison Fredericks (23:42.082)
That's pretty cool though. I mean, right, right. Yeah, but hey, making movies with your brother, I mean, that's gotta be pretty fun.

Eli Price (23:51.175)
Oh yeah, yeah, so him and Owen are in Bottle Rocket together. So you should definitely go check out Bottle Rocket. Now that you've kind of seen some more Wes Anderson, like go back and watch his first one. And him and Dignan, Dignan is Owen Wilson and Anthony is Luke Wilson. And they're like kind of best friends. They're the two main actors. So it's fun to see them kind of riff off of each other as like actual brothers that are kind of playing.

Harrison Fredericks (24:19.488)
Yeah.

Eli Price (24:20.489)
brotherly roles, you know? But yeah, so...

Harrison Fredericks (24:22.622)
Yeah, they had really good chemistry in Darjeeling Limited. I know that's probably a different episode, but I just remember that distinctly. Nice, nice.

Eli Price (24:26.228)
Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, that it's coming up two episodes from now. So, um, yeah, the only other like big production thing that I thought was interesting was the house. So did anything stand out to you about like this, this house, like this set? Um, what stood out to you there?

Harrison Fredericks (24:49.806)
Man, I think it was, and just based on my, you know, other viewings of Wes Anderson, everything is in its place. Like everything has a place, you know? Like it's kind of wild, the amount of detail that, and like the great lengths that he goes to with set decoration. Like I just, I think the bedroom, or which one?

Eli Price (25:00.645)
Mm-hmm. Right.

Eli Price (25:12.362)
Yes.

Harrison Fredericks (25:19.218)
One of the bedrooms which everyone has the the tent I think the youngest brother pitches a tent in there like just some of the detail inside that tent and around the room I'm just like man. This guy is sharp. He knows exactly what he wants in the room where to put it Yeah, I just think I have a real appreciation for that level of detail with Set design. I'm sure he has a team of people that assemble these things but

Eli Price (25:20.455)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's Richie's. Luke Wilson. Yeah.

Eli Price (25:46.515)
Yeah. Yeah, so he so this house like he He was with one of his friends and they were kind of trying to figure out where they were getting he knew he wanted To do it in a house And it's funny. Um One of the influences is uh of this film is a an old orson wells film Um, i'm trying to remember what it was called um Man, it's just escaping me. Um, it's but it's about a family

Harrison Fredericks (25:47.991)
Uh, yeah, that's really cool.

Eli Price (26:15.771)
also and I'm gonna have to flip through my notes while I'm talking just to find it.

Harrison Fredericks (26:22.035)
Is it War of the Worlds? No, I'm kidding. Ha ha.

Eli Price (26:24.165)
No.

Eli Price (26:29.311)
Anyways, unimportant. Moving on. It looked like that house in a way. So they find this place and they see like foreclosure in the window and they're like, wait, what? And so they look into it and it had foreclosed and this guy bought the house. It's in Harlem. In New York.

Harrison Fredericks (26:34.147)
I'm moving on.

Eli Price (26:58.071)
But yeah, so this guy had foreclosed this guy bought it and they actually like basically paid this guy what he bought the house for to be able to use it for those, however long to shoot the movie. So this guy had a great year like you buy a house and then someone basically like pays for your house to shoot a movie in it before you move in. Like that's pretty cool. But yeah, so. Yeah.

Harrison Fredericks (27:11.67)
Yeah. Man.

Harrison Fredericks (27:21.63)
Yeah. And this was before the housing bubble, right?

Eli Price (27:26.399)
I mean, I wish that would happen to me. Like I'm going to buy this house and then move the cruise. Like, wait, if you wait six months, we'll pay for your house. Okay. But yeah, so they, he got the blueprints for the house and like he literally like his brother is a really good illustrator. Um, Wes's brother. And so he sat down. West actually is too, when you want, like you can see him in some interviews and making of like drawing and he's good illustrator too.

Harrison Fredericks (27:34.082)
Hahaha.

Eli Price (27:53.771)
but they sat down together and literally illustrated everything that was going to go in the house. Colors, like objects. And actually in the Criterion collection, I'm going to hold this up. So you have this little fold-out thing. It has the house. And then you can see these are literally... These were in people's production notes and they kept it with their script. This detailed illustration with all these little labels of what every room was going to look like.

Harrison Fredericks (28:22.847)
Yeah, dude, that is crazy.

Eli Price (28:23.359)
Just like just incredible like the detail And he actually said it actually says like on the back here West talking about it that His brother was so detailed that like they had actually finished building some of the like Rooms and sets before he finished like illustrating it because he was just like so detailed

Harrison Fredericks (28:44.509)
That's great. Where does that come from? Like, where does that illustrator brain just, I guess there was he like an artist like a draw? Did he draw a lot growing up or?

Eli Price (28:55.611)
Yeah, yeah, you I've read in some interviews where he talks about like he would draw stuff out a lot and You know he You know actually if we want to move into that sort of thing like that that kind of dollhouse esque kind of set design that he has like you're he's basically making these like dollhouse or like Storybook kind of looking sets where they're like, you know, it's like as if you're looking into a dollhouse

Harrison Fredericks (29:13.111)
Yeah.

Eli Price (29:24.503)
That becomes even more prominent in Life Aquatic, which comes up next where the set is literally a boat cut in half. But yeah, you see it here in the way he like maps out everything. And you know, you get those kind of shots where it's like moving from room to room. And it's almost as if like you are like filming a doll house like close up and moving from room, like this room to this room, like straight over sort of thing.

And yeah, he talks about he would draw out these kind of cutaway scenes that are kind of like that, where you're looking at a house and what's going on in it, kind of in that way. And so it's almost like he's taking this thing he used to do as a kid and then building sets of it and then moving the camera around in it, sort of thing. It's just... He just has a mind that works like that. Yeah.

Harrison Fredericks (30:21.246)
Yeah. And I think they do it more than just at the house. If I remember like there were several shots. Do they used so many crane shots in this movie? It's it's unreal. Like in the street and I I can't remember like every location that they use it. But I was just firing off in my head like it's another crane shot. They're doing the dollhouse, but not in the house. You know, it's just like that that process of.

Eli Price (30:31.713)
Yeah.

Harrison Fredericks (30:48.886)
doing the same action, but moving locations. And I don't know, dude, it was just really cool to see. Yeah, I guess you don't really see a lot of one take crane dolly shots in multiple locations like that. So I thought that was super cool.

Eli Price (31:03.201)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (31:07.359)
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he talks about to he he would he does a lot of like Like moving shots with like a track So like, you know the dolly or whatever whatever you call it is like on a literal track That's like moving whether it's like on the street or they even do it in the house some To get those like smooth shots that are kind of like you kind of panning around through something like that scene with a

with Royal Tenenbaum and Etheline walking down the street. You kind of have that, and then it'll stop, and they'll come back in frames sort of thing. He does a lot of that stuff, and he actually said he did it. It started in Rushmore. They built this set on a baseball diamond where Max Fisher, the main character, is gonna build an aquarium or something with Bill Murray's character, and they get there. They had it all set up and ready to go.

They get there and it had rained and it was just like, it didn't look like a baseball diamond anymore. And so Wes was just kind of like, well, let's try to shoot towards the dugout and stuff so that it's like a baseball field. And they kind of built these tracks so that they can move. It was kind of like an accident, like, oh, let's make the most of this situation. And then he was like, he kind of liked it. And so he just started doing it in all of his movies. It wasn't like...

Harrison Fredericks (32:27.383)
Yeah.

Harrison Fredericks (32:34.037)
That's great.

Eli Price (32:34.975)
Yeah, it's funny because it wasn't like this like really like well thought out. Well, I mean, obviously it's well thought out, but like it wasn't this like plans, like I'm going to shoot it in exactly this way. It was kind of like a happy accident of like, well, this is kind of how we need to shoot it now. So, and then he was like, man, I like this. I'm going to start using this all the time now.

Harrison Fredericks (32:55.818)
Yeah. I mean, hey, that's how the greats become great. They find ways to innovate when they come up with a challenge or a problem, and then they're able to take that innovation or that problem solving and be able to duplicate it in the future. So that's, yeah, that's, that's awesome.

Eli Price (33:03.7)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (33:10.855)
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, one thing that one thing that like I like about that is when you watch a Wes Anderson movie, you know, you're watching a movie like, you know, you're not like it's not he's not a sort of director that wants you to feel like you're in a in the real world with these characters. He wants you to like know that you are watching like a piece of art like you're watching a film.

Harrison Fredericks (33:24.852)
Absolutely.

Eli Price (33:41.031)
And so like that's something that that dollhouse effect kind of gives you like, you know, you're watching a movie but then there's other things like uh, one thing that I noted was um, when at the end when uh, eli the shares my name the uh The owen wilson's character when he crashes the car into the house There's the camera in the room like right next to where he crashes and the camera like does kind of like this And I was like I was like, oh

Harrison Fredericks (34:07.912)
Yeah, yeah.

Eli Price (34:09.931)
Like, I'm watching a movie. Like, of course the camera's gonna shake. Like, when the car hits, like the house. And he has like these, he starts doing, it was, so I like to like find like Wes firsts. Like, so the first time he does this thing that becomes like a Wes Anderson thing. And one of the things that are those like wobbly zoom shots. So you have like, yeah, yeah. Like the main one I remember is when Royal is

Harrison Fredericks (34:28.415)
Yeah, yeah.

Harrison Fredericks (34:32.554)
Yes, there was a lot of that in this one.

Eli Price (34:40.063)
finding Chaz's sons, Uzi and Ari, at the playground to kind of like get them to tell their dad to hang out, that they want to hang out with them behind his back. But he shows up and he sees them and it does this like zoom where it's kind of like, it like wobbles. I don't really know, like, do you think there's like a point to that? Or I don't know. I think it's a cool shot. But like, why does he do that?

but I don't know.

Harrison Fredericks (35:10.902)
Yeah, it seems like he was just in love with zoom lenses for this movie. And also some of that zoom action can actually be done in the post production process. So even if he didn't shoot it with a zoom lens and manually, you know, crank the zoom, I think a lot of it was done manually, which is actually very difficult to do because you have to have someone pull focus.

Eli Price (35:16.653)
Yeah.

Eli Price (35:22.563)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (35:28.003)
I think he did.

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Eli Price (35:36.663)
Mm-hmm.

Harrison Fredericks (35:37.454)
from the starting point to your endpoint of the zoom range, right? So to be able to get a clean zoom from point A to point B, which is actually like dozens of feet away from each other, that's extremely difficult. And they were able to pull it off like multiple times.

Eli Price (35:54.433)
Yeah, yeah.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think I'm pretty sure I've actually heard a Robert yet Robert Yeoman who's the DP For like all of his live-action movies He he kind of talks about some of that like he always has a Focus guy, you know standing there with them working on that sort of stuff But yet, you know Wes One of the things that I've heard him talk about is how like he doesn't He likes to shoot movies how like

how they're gonna be, basically how they're gonna be. So he has an idea for how it's gonna look and he really doesn't do like, you know, some directors will do like, okay, let's do this take from here, this take from here, this take from here. And Wes isn't really that sort of director. He has a vision for what it's gonna be and they really just do that one take. Now they might do like that one shot. I mean, they might do like several takes of that shot to get it exactly right, but he's not gonna do like.

Oh, let me do this one and this angle and these these cuts so that they can edit it No, he's like he knows how it's gonna be edited and he just goes ahead and shoots it how it's gonna be Which I think is like really? Just to have that vision like for it in your mind And no, this is how it's gonna be like it's just so cool

Harrison Fredericks (37:17.182)
Yeah, I think the best directors are the ones who do that. They have the vision in their head and they know and they plan ahead, right? That this is what I want it to be. Because yeah, it's true that you can get caught up in the post-production process of, oh, let me try all these different things, all these different tools on your computer to try to fix this or to make up for not getting it right when you shot it. But yeah, to get it.

Eli Price (37:21.737)
Hmm

Eli Price (37:26.837)
Yes.

Eli Price (37:30.211)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (37:45.155)
Mm-hmm.

Harrison Fredericks (37:47.406)
how you see it in your mind is really difficult. And I mean, Wes Anderson's definitely got that skill.

Eli Price (37:53.435)
Yeah, yeah, it's just really incredible like Um, and you can tell like he he loves it. Um, Like you can tell by watching his movies that like he's really having a good time making them But you can also tell like listening to him in interviews like someone will ask him like why he did a certain thing a certain way And he'll just sit back and he'll kind of think he's like, I don't know. I just kind of liked it that way And it's like yeah, he's just having a good time. He's like

Harrison Fredericks (38:17.656)
Yeah, he's just having a good time, man.

Eli Price (38:21.843)
I don't know, I thought like, what if we do this and he did it and he was like, yeah, I like it. Uh, it looks good to me.

Harrison Fredericks (38:26.29)
Yeah, I think we need more. We need more people in the like film industry who can just like take like pump, like pump the braids a little bit. Let's take it back a sec. Let's not take this too seriously. And like, let's just have fun. You know, I think there's so many directors, actors, just people in in the entertainment industry who are like, man, they're just so stuck up and they're just they always they've always got something to complain about.

Eli Price (38:52.276)
Yeah.

Harrison Fredericks (38:54.71)
something didn't go right and they've just, you know, their whole career is just having a bad time, right? But yeah, to loosen up, have fun with it and to like just to be able to laugh on set is like, that's how you set the tone.

Eli Price (39:01.8)
Yeah.

Eli Price (39:08.771)
For sure. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, and he does so much collaboration with the same sorts of crew people and he has that rotating cast that he kind of reuses. You have to imagine there's good chemistry on set between all those people just because they've worked with each other enough. So that's got to be fun.

to be working with people that you just work well with. But yeah, let's jump into some themes. Like, what were some things that stood out to you thematically in this movie? It's definitely like, I think in some ways, it's funnier than Rushmore. And then it's also way darker than Rushmore too. So.

which is an interesting juxtaposition. But yeah, what were some themes that you noticed that really, I don't know, stood out to you or spoke to you at all?

Harrison Fredericks (40:20.03)
Yeah, I think probably the biggest theme that stands out to me is just, I mean, obviously family is at the center of the story, but this is a pretty dysfunctional family. Everyone is going, everyone's kind of thinking about themselves. Everyone is kind of just like not getting along, but they still want to be in the family, you know? So that, you know, that theme of just let's,

Eli Price (40:32.723)
Absolutely.

Eli Price (40:44.148)
Yeah, yeah.

Harrison Fredericks (40:49.89)
be together as a family, but we're also just, we're also selfish and so messed up that this is just not gonna end well. I think from a visual theme that is just like standard for Wes Anderson is just, this movie is so like warm and cozy, I think that's true. I know that you love Fantastic Mr. Fox a lot.

Eli Price (40:59.427)
All right.

Eli Price (41:12.383)
Mm-hmm.

Harrison Fredericks (41:17.838)
And I saw that for the first time a couple of weeks ago and like, man, that movie just like, you could just wrap yourself in a blanket and just like call it a day and watch that movie on repeat, you know? And I felt kind of the same way about this one. It was just, it has that very warm, fuzzy, just like very soft approach to storytelling. Nothing is too...

Eli Price (41:20.66)
Oh yeah.

Eli Price (41:29.987)
Absolutely.

Eli Price (41:43.831)
Mm-hmm.

Harrison Fredericks (41:46.303)
like dramatic or hard, even though there are some serious themes going on. Yeah, those are just some of the key ones that I think stand out to me.

Eli Price (41:55.679)
Yeah, it's interesting that it's interesting how like cozy you felt like it was just in the way that it was, I guess, shot in the kind of mood. Because there really are some some dark things that happen, you know, Richie has his suicide attempt. In this movie, you have kind of like A couple, you know, in Margo and I can't.

for the life of me in this moment. I can't think of no Bill Murray's character. Can't think of his name. Yes. Uh, Margo and his character, him, uh, like they're basically going through, like realizing that they're not really good for each other, probably, uh, in their marriage, like you just have all these really like dark and depressing things going on and yet at the same time, you know, you feel welcome to be there.

Harrison Fredericks (42:26.46)
Uh, Eli?

Oh, Raleigh? Yeah.

Eli Price (42:54.235)
I kind of that's kind of like the takeaway I'm getting from what you're saying like yeah There's all these like really depressing things going on, but I still feel like I'm invited into the story Like I'm invited to sit down with them still Yeah, it's that's really cool

Harrison Fredericks (42:54.914)
Yeah.

Harrison Fredericks (43:12.826)
It could be from, like I come from a big family, right? So I have, I'm one of five. So I have four siblings and you know, we're all older now. So we're not all in the same city anymore, or you know, obviously not the same house as we were when we were growing up. But I think I really connect to like big family stories, cause this one, you know, three kids and then the grandkids are involved. So, and my sister has kids now. So the grandkids are involved in our family.

Eli Price (43:16.055)
Sure. Okay.

Eli Price (43:24.227)
Yeah.

Eli Price (43:36.69)
Again.

Harrison Fredericks (43:42.69)
And yeah, I think that story of family and there's some things that are messed up that happened, like you said with Richie, yeah, the suicide note. And what's crazy though is that right after that suicide note scene, all of that stuff plays out in the hospital. Like the very next scene is him in the tent with Margo. And it's just this like super warm, glowing tent.

with all these little cute fixtures inside and they have a really like sentimental moment and emotional moment in this really just bright and like welcoming place. So yeah, that dynamic of let's press the gas to 100 for a couple scenes and then let's slow down like we're in a school zone for a second, you know? So that's, it's a very interesting dynamic.

Eli Price (44:34.496)
Yeah.

Eli Price (44:40.563)
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, and I think there's this, I guess, idea or theme that's kind of wrapped up in all of that of, man, these are all broken people. They're really all flawed in a way. They're all kind of messed up in some sort of way. But at the same time, like,

They still, they're still family, right? They're still connected somehow. And there's, it's like they're struggling with this belonging, like wanting to belong to something. And it's like there's that conflict between, yes, I'm a Tenenbaum. I like technically belong to this family, but I don't feel like I belonged.

you know, whether it's, you know, Margo being adopted and like Royal kind of like emphasizing that or whether it's, you know, Chaz for some reason, like not ever connecting to his father and feeling like his father is like, you know, I don't know, on his back. You know, Richie kind of like has that sort of special connection with his dad, but

that kind of isolates him from his siblings. And then on top of all that, like that's as kids. And then you have this kind of like, I don't know if it would be an explosion or an implosion of the divorce that kind of sets things. You know, in an essay I was reading about it, it says that this movie starts with an explosion and then the rest of the movie takes place in the wreckage. And that's really.

Harrison Fredericks (46:32.502)
Hmm, yeah, that's a good analogy.

Eli Price (46:34.391)
That's really true. Like it starts off with the parents being separated and then, okay, what are we going to do with this mess? Um, what, what are these characters going to do in the midst of this wreckage? You know? Um, yeah, it makes you think like, okay.

Eli Price (46:56.779)
That they all really they're all characters that need a second chance, right? Like, um, they, they all had this success or this kind of like claim to fame. And in like yesteryear and now it's like 22 years later and they just don't know what to do. Um, they don't know where they belong. Um, and actually like towards the end of the movie, Richie's like trying to reconcile with Eli and, um,

You know, Eli says something to the effect of, you know, I always wanted to be a Tenenbaum. And it kind of cuts to Royal and Pagoda, who he's awesome. But it cuts to them and Royal kind of mutters, me too. And it's really like this very, very subtle, abrupt like moment of like clarity for you as a viewer where you realize like, man, it's almost like Tenenbaum

Like, being a Tenenbaum is synonymous with having something to belong to. Like, because otherwise why would Eli be like, I want to be a Tenenbaum. Royal is a Tenenbaum, but he still says me too. You know, it's like this sense of, like, in their mind, being a Tenenbaum means I belong. And I think in that sense, like, we all... Like...

I guess we all kind of in a sense want to be a tendon bomb. Like we all want to find something right. Find a family or a community that we can belong to. You know, they're all in these broken relationships between each other. But, and it's interesting, you know, they're family. And so they're, and it's like they can't get away from that.

Harrison Fredericks (48:29.174)
have belonging. Yeah, absolutely.

Eli Price (48:53.559)
for some reason. And they don't really like, I like to think of it as like, they're not really like seeking out reconciliation with each other. They just kind of find themselves in it. Like they find themselves like reconciliation just kind of like happening, which is, I feel like true to like how it happens a lot in real life. You know, especially with like family or close friends.

sort of this inevitable thing.

Harrison Fredericks (49:25.898)
Yeah, I feel like the dysfunction is very real. That level of dysfunction and just family craziness, you'd be surprised. Some people you know probably have experienced some very similar things. So yeah, I think that is just an accurate representation. Of course, not everyone's family is that wild and has to the point where they're...

Eli Price (49:42.037)
Yes.

Eli Price (49:50.804)
Yeah.

Harrison Fredericks (49:53.39)
crashing cars into their house and whatnot. But yeah, I think that's a true accurate representation of what dysfunction can look like when it's unhealed.

Eli Price (49:54.787)
All right.

Eli Price (50:04.639)
Right. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the other thing is like, I think the healing comes like when. I think the reason that like healing kind of begins, like you don't in the movie and you're like, oh, everything's OK. Like, there's still that dysfunction there. There's still that air of like, they're still kind of flawed people.

in relationships with other flawed people kind of thing but uh But there's this sense of like and I think it does start with with Richie and Margo in that tent after his suicide attempt kind of this real realization or like Epiphany of like I am like I am who I am like you kind of come to terms with who you are but you also like come to terms with like

who these other people are. So Margo and Richie are in love with each other, and they kind of come to terms with each other finally. But they also come to terms with, we can't really follow through with this sort of thing. But there's healing there because they finally air out, this is who I am, and this is who I am, and they accept each other for that.

And that's why I think it's interesting. I wrote in the notes the question, does Royal actually change? Is he a changed man at the end? Or has his family just finally accepted him for what he is? I don't know. Do you have any thoughts on that?

Harrison Fredericks (51:47.662)
Man, that's a good question because he starts out pretty messed up. And then, of course, he goes through with the whole, I don't have cancer, I faked the whole thing. And then it kind of ends in chaos and Eli gets involved in that chaos. I don't know if he changes in the end. I mean, I think I would probably agree with you that the family does come to terms with the madness. And

Eli Price (51:52.268)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (51:59.732)
Yeah.

Eli Price (52:05.987)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (52:15.48)
Mm-hmm.

Harrison Fredericks (52:17.286)
Even Etheline, you know, she, I think she recognizes that madness in him and goes with the route of Danny Glover's character. Because he, I guess, is just that stability that she needs, right? I think there's a line of Royal, as he's getting on the bus, he's like, stay with him, he's everything I'm not. Like, even he gets it in his mind that...

Eli Price (52:40.964)
Right, yeah.

Harrison Fredericks (52:45.142)
Danny Glover's character is like the one that she needs. So yeah, I don't know. He might have very subtle changes, but maybe overall, I don't know. He still seems pretty messed up by the end.

Eli Price (52:49.481)
Right.

Eli Price (52:59.899)
Yeah, yeah, it's yeah, and I think that's even more profound like I think a lot of times in this sort of with with that sort of drama side of a movie like you get this like character that like Oh, he's grown so much like at the end like royal maybe will become like a guy that like Oh loves his family and like he like Right, right. It's kind of like a joke Yeah

Harrison Fredericks (53:20.906)
And I think they were teasing it a little bit. Like, Ethel, I think there was some, yes, yes, there was some introduction of like, oh, maybe Royal and Ethel, they'll get back together. And then it just didn't work. Like he faked cancer and those sort of story elements just did not work in his favor.

Eli Price (53:30.262)
Yeah.

Eli Price (53:37.411)
You

Eli Price (53:40.935)
Yeah, yeah and even like at the end like you get I don't know I got this sense of like okay like so there's this like moment where like he saves Chaz's kids and like um He gets but the dog dies and so he buys this dalmatian from the firemen that are there To like give to chaz like hey, I bought you this dog uh, and I want to talk about that moment in a minute, but uh

But yeah, it's like, I don't know, I felt this sense of like, you know, I think he's doing something nice. It's like this, there's two sides to it. Like he really legitimately like wanted to do something nice for his son. But at the same time, you still get the sense like, but like there's something in it for you too. Like, because that's kind of, yeah, that's the that's kind of like.

Harrison Fredericks (54:33.174)
Yeah, what's the angle here?

Eli Price (54:36.555)
behind everything that royal does like there's an angle right yeah exactly and you still kind of get that sense even in that like very touching moment and so I'm like does he change like I don't know but I think it's even more profound if like he doesn't really like grow into this great person but but the the the thing that matters is his family is finally except accepting him for who he is like they're letting him.

I don't know, be himself. I don't know, it's these moments of grace that they start having for each other. Like, you're still messed up, but I'm gonna let you belong. I accept who you are now. Yeah, it's just interesting to think about that.

Um, yeah, really like the only other thing that like really stood out to me was the hawk. So, uh, Mordecai the hawk, maybe I thought, uh, it's a great name. He has a little leather helmet. Uh, it's great. Um, yeah, I saw in a, in the making of like, Wes was like asking, like the bird handler, like.

Harrison Fredericks (55:38.102)
Mortar time. There, that's a good name for a hawk.

Harrison Fredericks (55:45.306)
Oh yeah.

Eli Price (55:54.519)
before he lands, can he like hover above the hand for a second and then land? And the bird handler was like, no, they don't really do that. And this was like, but can you train him to do it? He's like, we don't have to, but it would just look cool. Yeah. Yeah. He's even the hawk. Uh, but yeah, so I, one thing that really stood out to me is Richie. So as much as this film revolves around like.

Harrison Fredericks (56:00.897)
Yeah

Yeah.

Wes Anderson is just demanding excellence from everybody. Yeah.

Eli Price (56:23.579)
Royal like pushing things like everything happens because Royal does something right? but I think It's almost like Richie is kind of the center he's kind of this caught in between character like He actually is the one that actually has a relationship with the dad and the other family members but he's kind of caught in between and it's almost like this story in a way revolves around him and One thing I noticed was you know when it's

Fast forward 22 years, one of the first things that happens is Richie, like, lets Mordecai go free. And like when I was watching it at first, I thought like, oh, it's this like moment of like clarity. But in hindsight, I realized, like, I think what's happening is like it's kind of his moment of just like giving up. Like he has this bird caged.

and he's letting this bird go, but it's not like this profound like you're free now, just like me moment. It's almost the opposite. It's like I have to let you free. I'm just giving up. And, you know, you kind of see him progress towards that moment where he he attempts suicide. And, you know, there's a lot going on there that we could spend way too much time talking about. But it's interesting.

He commits he you know he commits well he tries to commit suicide He he you know runs out of the hospital. He has that moment with Margo, but what happens after that? You know that sort of starts some reconciliation, but then he goes to his dad and you know they're talking in the elevator they go to the roof of that that hotel and Mordecai shows back up like he comes flying in and lands, but he's a little different You know and it's almost like

Mordecai You know he he flew away because Richie was giving up. It's like I'm giving up with life and He has I guess a moment of clarity with his suicide attempt in his conversation with Margot and Mordecai shows back up almost to like signify the beginning of like a stage of healing or reconciliation for the family and I just thought that was a cool like Picture of like

Eli Price (58:50.271)
This animal like showed back up at just like the most right moment and he's a little different. It's funny I read somewhere. I don't know if it's true Uh, because I don't even remember what the source was. Um, it wasn't one of my usual sources. I just kind of saw it on google on an article, but it said something about like the The bird the original bird that they were shooting with like either went missing or like got stolen or something crazy like that

And so they had to get another one and it actually was a different bird. Like that's why it had more white feathers. You know, Richie kind of says it looks like he has more white feathers than he used to. But it's because it was yeah, it was an act. Like, I think that was part of the movie already. I don't know if that was like a happy accident or what, but yeah, it actually was like a different bird. And so, like it almost signified like, you know, it.

Harrison Fredericks (59:29.386)
Yeah. Yeah. So they just played it off.

Eli Price (59:47.671)
He talks about like, you know, well, sometimes when people go through trauma, their hair turns white, you know, and he has more white feathers. And so this it's like Mordecai signifies like he's come back, like he's come back through something like he's got more white feathers now. He's gone through some trauma, but he's back. And it's almost like Richie becomes the catalyst for this, like healing. He's the one that goes and, you know,

to his dad and brings his dad back. He's the one that goes and gets Eli and tries to reconcile things with him. He's kind of becomes this catalyst and it all starts with that traumatic event that kind of brought. It's just interesting how sometimes trauma is the catalyst for healing. We wish it wouldn't be that way, but that's kind of how it ends up so often in life.

Yeah, I just thought that was so cool. Just that picture of Mordecai the hawk, just like signifying. It's time to like heal. It's time to find belonging again.

But yeah, that moment was really cool to me. And then like, man, I don't know about you, but that little scene that I talked about earlier where the crashes happen, the wedding's off for now, Chaz's kids have been saved by Royal, the dog dies. And all this time, Chaz's character, we haven't talked a lot about him, but he's just angry, like he's upset.

He lost his wife. He's gone through a lot. He thinks his dad just doesn't like him. Like, he just like, he doesn't want anything to do with him. He just has gone through a lot and he's very angry. And there's this first moment of clarity when he like chases down and fights Eli for almost like killing his kids, wrecking the car. And they're laying there after they fight. And Eli says, who has a drug problem? We haven't mentioned that.

Eli Price (01:01:59.783)
Eli says man, I need help and Chas says I do too, you know, obviously they need help for different reasons, but they they find that kind of connection and so that begins like Chas's Moment of healing but then like royal gives him that dog And he's like you bought this for you bought this for me and my kids and I was like, yeah he's like thanks dad and he like he kind of looks up at him and he has this like

very emotional breaking moment or like all the like all the walls and all the anchor are like let down and he says dad I've had a really tough year or a really rough year or whatever and dude I just like my like like I was just like teared up like that moment was just so powerful I don't did you have any moments that were like that in the film where like

You know, it's all this funny stuff happening, and then all of a sudden, boom, like emotion.

Harrison Fredericks (01:02:59.31)
Dude, I will say to your point about Ben Stiller, I liked Ben Stiller a lot in this movie. I know that this was 2002, right? 2001. Okay. So that would have been right around the time of Zoolander. I believe was turn of the century for Zoolander. So he was coming fresh off of that, which is just so over the top. It's so ridiculous. I love it because it's so funny. But to see him in this.

Eli Price (01:03:05.117)
Yes. Yeah.

Eli Price (01:03:10.147)
2001, yeah.

Eli Price (01:03:15.124)
Yeah, yeah, I think so

Eli Price (01:03:25.767)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, same year.

Harrison Fredericks (01:03:29.054)
Same year, okay, nice. Man, what a year for Ben Stiller, Zoolander and Royalton and Bombs. But they're so polar opposite characters and movies and everything, but it was just nice to see him in that sort of role. And yeah, to have that moment where you just lost it is great.

Eli Price (01:03:35.212)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:03:48.467)
Yeah, man, I was actually telling my wife about it. And I started getting emotional and tearing up when I was telling her about that scene. I was like, whew. So I got that out before I got on camera, I guess. So I didn't do that here in front of everyone. But yeah, absolutely. Yeah, so just as final thoughts to wrap up this section of the show.

Harrison Fredericks (01:04:02.159)
Yeah.

Harrison Fredericks (01:04:06.686)
Yeah, that would just that would be embarrassing for sure.

Eli Price (01:04:18.587)
Um, you know, I just wanted to kind of like call back to something I talked about in the overview episode, this idea of something that Wes Anderson does with his films, um, and that a lot of art does, um, uh, is, you know, not so much like forcing you into a world, forcing you into the motion, but instead of like creating a world like Wes Anderson creates this little world. And so you can kind of hold it out here and look at it.

and there's this sense kind of with the Royal Tenenbaums where like he's he's become with his three movies like more and more like proficient I guess at doing that sort of thing and it allows you to Connect with and deal with things By being able to like hold like you're holding like this family's like wreckage out here like you're holding their trauma you're holding their like emotion they're like

flawed characteristics and you're able to like hold it out here like kind of at arms length and like separate yourself a little bit from it like I'm watching a movie and like examine it and you almost get like a more profound sense of What's going on because you're able to do that like there's nothing Like everything you're watching, you know is like artificial like Wes makes it very apparent like that what I'm watching is like

definitely artificial, you know, as opposed to a director that like wants to make everything realistic. And so like, but there's that sense in which when I know it's artificial, I can let my guard down. And like, man, when you do that, when you're watching his films, and I think it especially comes out here in Roll of Tenenbaums, you're able to really like, let those emotions like touch you like build.

You're able to like build empathy even more because you've let your guard down. I'm watching something that's artificial. And so. Man, those emotions almost hit you harder. Like they don't feel forced upon you. They feel like you're, you're able to like experience them, watching them with the characters. And I just thought that was, that's something that West's like grows even better at as he continues making movies, but you really start to see it here with Royal Tenenbaums.

Eli Price (01:06:47.067)
Yeah, did you have any final thoughts before we kind of give our ratings on the film?

Harrison Fredericks (01:06:53.63)
Yeah, I think this is, so I haven't seen all of Wes Anderson's films. I think I've seen maybe 60%, 70%. There's a couple of those early ones that I haven't seen yet. I enjoyed this one. I don't know if I enjoyed it as much as some of his other ones. I do fully understand the...

Eli Price (01:06:59.874)
Mm-hmm.

Harrison Fredericks (01:07:19.638)
dynamic of like this is serious, but this is also like really touching at the same time. They're for some reason and maybe because of how I watched it, I literally watched this on a Sunday afternoon after eating a giant lunch. I had like canes for lunch so I was just so full of food that I was kind of in this like restful state. Not to say that I wasn't paying attention,

Eli Price (01:07:37.395)
Hehehehehe

Eli Price (01:07:46.252)
Yeah.

Harrison Fredericks (01:07:49.846)
But maybe if I had watched it under a different circumstance, I might have walked away with a more impactful feeling. But watching this one for my first time, nothing really jumped off the page at me. I went back and looked at some reviews online, and people were just blown away by this thing. I'm sure it's probably top three Wes Anderson for some people. And maybe we'll get into that with you. But.

Eli Price (01:07:58.019)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:08:12.631)
Mm-hmm.

Harrison Fredericks (01:08:20.258)
I, for some reason, this one did not have like a moment or something that like just reached out and grabbed me, like in that sense. But not to say it wasn't a terrible time, I promise you, I enjoyed it. It was cool to see like Wes Anderson in the early stages. That's always fun to watch great directors in the beginning of their career.

Eli Price (01:08:32.278)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:08:37.559)
Ha ha ha.

Eli Price (01:08:44.759)
Mm-hmm.

Harrison Fredericks (01:08:49.086)
and to spot those nuances and those tricks that they're coming up with to distinguish themselves. So I thought that was really cool. I think I enjoyed the cinematography a ton. I enjoyed the, you know, that warm fuzzy feeling of just the mise en scene, which is French for just like the vibe of the movie. I think that was probably what stood out to me the most.

Eli Price (01:08:55.177)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:09:01.802)
Yes.

Eli Price (01:09:14.392)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:09:19.119)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, this is one that's kind of grown for me. So I Know that I've seen it once before. I think I've seen it twice before I think this is my third time seeing it I think I saw it a long time ago and I probably just didn't really get it back then and Then I saw it again. I Think several years ago. I watched it maybe like four or five years ago. I watched it again and I was like man I

This is around when I was really starting to get back in the movies again. Not again, but just like really getting to them seriously for the first time. And I really like it struck me. I really liked this movie, but man, this time it just like hit me really hard. You know, just, and I don't know if some of it is just like, I've been preparing.

and researching so much into these films. And so like I'm almost destined to just love them. But but yet just something about it this time just was like, man, this is like. For one, it's like masterful craft work, like he's just like he's so masterful of like the way he produces his his sets and his scenes and blocks things out and moves the camera. It's just like.

Harrison Fredericks (01:10:31.583)
Absolutely.

Eli Price (01:10:45.547)
When I was watching Rushmore for the last episode, I was like, man, he's just, it's like he just already is so refined. And it's like, I didn't, I didn't expect to see more growth in that when I was watching this and I did like just because it was already so good in Rushmore. But here it's like, it's just so good. It's masterful work behind the camera. Um, and then on top of that, just like.

It's probably one of his funniest movies. Like, I laughed like a good bit in this movie, but it's also one of his darkest movies, I think. And just like the juxtaposition of that just was really profound to me this time. So it's a movie that's grown for me. Like, I would say probably it started off as like a seven or eight out of ten and grew to like a nine and...

When I watched this time, I was like, man, this is I think this is grown to just like a 10 out of 10 movie for me. Yeah, I'm struggling. It's it's a struggle for me. I was looking at my ratings on Letterboxd for my rankings rather for Wes's films. And I was like, man, I don't know. Like, I like Rushmore so much. And I was just like, I don't know if I can move it above. I was struggling with do I remove it to number two above Rushmore or not. But yeah, this is it just.

Harrison Fredericks (01:11:46.338)
That's awesome.

Eli Price (01:12:09.799)
really struck me this time. So but Wes Anderson's movies have that tendency. Like you either like are really struck by it or you're just not. And that might be just because of your circumstance in life or it might just be the way he makes films just kind of like take you out of it. But yeah, it could be like down in some like chicken tenders and fries.

Harrison Fredericks (01:12:30.866)
Or it could be how much food you eat right before you watch it.

Harrison Fredericks (01:12:37.712)
Hahaha

Eli Price (01:12:40.079)
Uh, but yeah, um, yeah, so it's just fun for me to, you know, it's, it's good to have someone that's like, yeah, it didn't really connect with me in the same way. It did you, because it shows that it's, it just points out like Wes's movies have that tendency with people. Like you either like connect with it or you don't, there's not really like in between

Now you can recognize like the craft of it all but that isn't necessarily like mean you connect with it in the same way that others might But yeah, so um, yeah, that's the Royal Tenenbaums I think we're gonna move on Take a little break here and come back with some fun segments and movie news and our movie draft of the week So we will see you in just a minute

Eli Price (01:13:34.242)
sweet.

So yeah, I'm about to also. I'm going to go ahead and pull up this list.

Harrison Fredericks (01:13:37.182)
I gotta drink some water.

Harrison Fredericks (01:13:46.666)
Hey, I'll be back real quick.

Eli Price (01:13:48.748)
Yeah, no worries.

Harrison Fredericks (01:15:49.161)
Alrighty.

Eli Price (01:15:52.035)
tweet. Yeah, so we'll just kind of jump back in here in a second. Yeah, we'll just kind of riff on like live action remakes, just that idea, what you've thought about any that you've seen sort of thing for a minute and then we'll jump into the movie draft and yeah, should be fun. I think what we'll do is we'll draft seven movies each.

And so I'll have a note up.

Harrison Fredericks (01:16:28.038)
Yeah, I was going to say, do I need to write those down as I go? Or probably just so I keep track.

Eli Price (01:16:33.959)
Yeah, I'm gonna have... Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a good idea.

Eli Price (01:17:08.443)
Sweet. Yeah, just let me know when you're ready and we'll jump back in.

Harrison Fredericks (01:17:12.246)
You said it's seven?

Eli Price (01:17:14.335)
Yeah, we're going to do seven each. So there's like 60, 61 total.

Harrison Fredericks (01:17:21.182)
Oh yeah, I gotta have that list out.

Harrison Fredericks (01:17:32.158)
Oh, so these are all what, before the year 2000?

Eli Price (01:17:36.391)
No, they're so it starts with Snow White all the way back That was the first like so these are i'll kind of explain it before we get into it But there's like the ones that disney like Dubs as like this is our one of our animated classics So obviously they have way more animated movies in this but these are like dubbed an animated classic so, um not so it doesn't include pixar, um Those are kind of like a separate separate deal

Harrison Fredericks (01:17:58.094)
Gotcha.

Eli Price (01:18:06.155)
Um, but yeah, uh, so that's, um, but yeah, it starts with Snow White and goes all the way through. Like the most recent one was that strange world movie that came out like last year, which I did not see. But like other recent ones are like in Kanto and stuff like that. They're all on that list.

Harrison Fredericks (01:18:18.859)
Okay.

Harrison Fredericks (01:18:27.634)
Is it a continuity error if I take this off? Are you okay? Okay. I just feel like this was kind of blocking my neck the whole time. So I was like, where's my neck? I think this should help a little bit.

Eli Price (01:18:31.795)
You can do whatever you want. I don't care. Yeah, I don't care. Ha ha.

Eli Price (01:18:42.227)
That's funny. Yeah, maybe people will be like, oh, so he does have a neck when they watch.

Harrison Fredericks (01:18:47.959)
I tried to like come to the side a little bit to give some like depth a little bit, but

Eli Price (01:18:52.371)
Yeah Yeah, I've actually found with mine like it kind of like prevents More like abrupt sound like that if I like don't speak like directly into it like this and so like the pop filter I obviously help some but But yeah, yeah, it just cuz it picks up picks up my voice fine with that. But so Yeah, all right

Harrison Fredericks (01:19:09.686)
Yeah, you go the side angle.

respect.

Eli Price (01:19:19.923)
I'm going to jump back in in just a second. I'm going to throw a marker on here.

Eli Price (01:19:36.619)
Hey everybody, welcome back to the establishing shot. Hope you had a good time in that little break. Me and Harry here are getting ready for our movie news section, so we're just going to jump right in. For movie news today, we're going to be talking about live action Disney remakes. So we've had.

Decent amount of these over the years at this point The reason I wanted to talk about it is because the weekend that this episode is releasing is the same weekend that the little mermaid Is coming out. So Yeah, you know, it's it's interesting to see Disney Just pumping out all of a sudden all these basically like the same movies as before with a little bit of twists and

live action instead of animated. Yeah, what what do you just think about Disney live action remakes in general?

Harrison Fredericks (01:20:42.446)
So I'm kind of anti-remates just in general. I think everyone should try to come up with an original idea first, right? And then I guess if you're a multi-billion dollar company and you don't wanna do that, you wanna go the lazy route, sure, pump out as many remates as you want. I am not a fan of these live action remates that have been coming out. I...

Eli Price (01:20:47.06)
Yeah.

Harrison Fredericks (01:21:10.302)
We'll say that of the ones that have come out, I'm a huge Beauty and the Beast fan, so that remake I think was done pretty well, like as far as being true to the story, but also introducing some new and interesting twists, or new and interesting ways of presenting the story. But man, there's been so many bad live action remakes that it's...

It's disgusting. I'll say that. Okay. Can I say that? It's disgusting.

Eli Price (01:21:41.667)
Yeah, you you can and I don't think we're I think we're pretty much in line here You know at the end of the day It's all about it's all about the Benjamins baby like it's all about It's all about getting those butts in those seats and making all that box office money Yeah, I'll tell you what I'll tell you what I would be

Harrison Fredericks (01:21:53.731)
Oh, absolutely.

Harrison Fredericks (01:21:59.971)
Yeah, who cares if Walt Disney is turning in his grave?

Eli Price (01:22:07.611)
OK with like I would be like, yes, Disney, do it and make your money is like, hey, we want to do we want to make some more money off the Little Mermaid. Re-release, do a re-release of the Little Mermaid in theaters. And like people can go take their kids who didn't grow up with this movie to a movie they grew up with and they can see it experience in theaters. Like, that's a cool like idea. But no, we're going to we're going to.

Harrison Fredericks (01:22:23.435)
Yeah.

Harrison Fredericks (01:22:35.286)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:22:37.415)
remake all these movies live action.

Harrison Fredericks (01:22:40.95)
Dude, so I actually saw the Titanic for the first time, James Cameron Titanic. I saw it for the first time two months ago. They re-released it for the 25th anniversary, but they re-released it in 4K 3D, which, dude, it was incredible. Like, just the experience, the cinematic experience of that compared to watching the original for the first time, I'm sure it was dramatically different. But...

Eli Price (01:22:47.327)
Yeah, yeah.

Eli Price (01:22:56.833)
Yeah.

Harrison Fredericks (01:23:10.07)
that idea of re-release, but lets up the visual quality of something that's a bit older. And then the 3D element was actually super interesting. I think that could be a really smart route, kind of what you're saying, of instead of making bad live action, which dude, I wish that these remakes, like remaking an animated, like there's a reason it was animated to begin with, right?

Eli Price (01:23:38.591)
Yeah, yeah.

Harrison Fredericks (01:23:39.358)
It's because you're trying to do something that is so impossible, it should not exist in the real world. So to be a, just the idea of let's take something impossible and make it real life. There's a disconnect and it's, there's a reason why.

Eli Price (01:23:56.243)
Yeah, yeah, and I've got to say, I don't really know if I've liked any of them. I've there's been a few that I've like, OK, I can appreciate that. Like the Jungle Book when they when they did that one, I was like, OK, like I can appreciate it. It was fun to see, like these animals like singing and dancing around and.

They didn't do too much with it. Like some of the songs they didn't actually like do singing. It was just part of like the score. Um, so that was kind of interesting, but like, I don't think I've liked any of them.

Harrison Fredericks (01:24:32.85)
It's funny how they labeled, yeah, they labeled the Jungle Book live action, but it was only about 2% live action, and it was only mode-ly. Everything else was animated.

Eli Price (01:24:41.623)
Yes. Yes. Absolutely. Don't even get me started. I will go on a rant about The Lion King. I... I have... I have never moaned out loud in a theater until me and my wife went and saw The Lion... We were part of the problem though. We went to the theater and gave Disney money for

Harrison Fredericks (01:24:52.498)
Yeah dude they did that one dirty. I'm a huge Lion King fan so that one was... I didn't like that.

Eli Price (01:25:10.396)
load of

Harrison Fredericks (01:25:10.878)
I mean, hey, I'm guilty. I'm guilty.

Eli Price (01:25:13.663)
Like I literally, you think I'm joking, but I literally, I was sitting there and I remember something happening and I went, ugh. Like out loud in the theater, yeah.

Harrison Fredericks (01:25:23.579)
That's awesome. That one's interesting because it's like a shot for shot remake. As far as I know, because I actually haven't seen it. I think I've kind of protested it for a while. But that's just a shot for shot update, essentially. There is no new storyline or anything.

Eli Price (01:25:32.755)
Yeah. Don't. Don't see it.

Eli Price (01:25:43.475)
Yeah, it's... There's not a new storyline. There's, um... There's like some... So like one of the things that was just like so annoying was there's like, towards the very beginning you get that scene where there's a mouse that pops up on the screen and then like Scar, boom, hits it. So Disney was like, I have an idea. Let's show off our like real life animal looking CGI.

And instead of just having this mouse be like two seconds so we can introduce Scar, let's have like a literal like, I don't know, it felt like it was five minutes long. It was probably like one minute of this mouse like running around and like exploring the CGI world. And I was just like, I don't care. Like if I wanna watch a mouse run around, I'll watch like a real one on National Geographic. Not like a fake one that Disney is like showing off there.

Harrison Fredericks (01:26:28.47)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:26:42.059)
their animation CGI like I just don't care. And I don't know, it's you know, they they try to do interesting things like Aladdin, they tried to like Aladdin is like, OK, like I could see like, oh, the costumes will be fun to see live action. But man, they're just not well made. And at the end of the day, I've gone on this rant several times with people. It's just like. When so like.

when Aladdin came out, like I saw it and I was like, you know, this really just makes me want to watch the original Aladdin. And so I've gotten to the point, which is, I guess, part of their marketing scheme with these, but I've gotten to the point where I'm like, why am I gonna go see this when I know the original one is better and I can just like pull up Disney Plus and watch the original one instead, you know, instead of paying.

You know, 12 bucks to see something that I know is not going to be good in theater. I don't know. It's just. It's just annoying to me. You know, at the end of the day, it's just kind of like Disney trying to make money and maybe some kids like it because it's fun for them. And so it's probably not as big of a deal as we're making it, but at the same time, like you're creating a precedent in the industry for like.

Like you said, lack of originality, lack of true new ideas. And so there is a sense in which it can be harmful to just keep doing this over and over. But I'm.

Harrison Fredericks (01:28:26.366)
Yeah, and I think the saddest part about that is the fact that these movies came like these are our generations movies, right? I mean, there's a little bit of an age gap between us, but these are all movies that came out in the 90s. And that was 30 years ago, right? Which I know sounds like a long time, but like updating the Jungle Book all about it. That movie came out like 2000 years ago. OK. The fact that like

Eli Price (01:28:34.711)
Right. Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:28:46.371)
Hehehe

Harrison Fredericks (01:28:56.454)
I grew up watching the original Lion King, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, all these things that are part of the Disney renaissance that happened in the 90s. It was incredible what happened. And the fact that it's not that much time has passed to where these stories have either been forgotten or they really need to be updated. But yeah, I think it's just a total cash grab to go after these IPs that Disney have in their catalog that they know will make money.

Eli Price (01:29:18.838)
Yeah.

Harrison Fredericks (01:29:26.018)
And yeah, as a long time fan of Disney, it's like, what can you do? I mean, you can, I guess, stop going to see their movies. I just don't know what the true antidote. Right. Other people are going to go. So it's like, unless you have this massive boycott, or investors step up and they're like, we don't want this anymore, what kind of change can you really do? I mean, it's fun.

Eli Price (01:29:40.259)
but other people still are going to.

Eli Price (01:29:52.076)
Yeah.

Harrison Fredericks (01:29:55.678)
I guess it's fun to complain about it. But at the end of the day, what is truly going to change Bob Iger's mind to not want to make money? You know?

Eli Price (01:30:06.687)
Yeah, and it's interesting, you know, the theater is like, as an industry is just like kind of in flux right now. And, you know, people were kind of like, I don't know, I think some people were serious and some people were like half joking of like, Tom Cruise saved the movie theater last year. And like, yeah, like you can kind of say that jokingly or tongue in cheek, but there is a sense in which like, he made, it was like a remake, but like,

He did something that was like interesting and like that you had never seen before. Like you had never seen like planes shot in that way, like to that quality flying before. So like there's a sense of much like, oh, like this is a movie that like I need to go to see in the theater because it's something like special and unique. And so, you know, it might just take.

It might just get to the point where it's like enough people were just like, why would I go see this in theater when I can pull up on Disney plus like in a month? Uh, and, and like the movie theater industry just like having to go through like a dying period where like nobody's going to the movies anymore because like I've seen all these things you're doing before. Why would I pay so much to go to a theater where maybe that's what it's going to take to really push.

the industry to like start making interesting new things again. That's what I loved about everything everywhere all at once. I don't know if you saw that, but like it was so unique and interesting and like. Just like I walked out of the theater and I, and I just thought to myself, I've never seen anything like that before. And that's an, that's an incredible experience to walk out of a movie and think, you know, it's just like.

Harrison Fredericks (01:31:43.786)
Yes, I did. It was awesome, dude.

Eli Price (01:32:04.231)
I've never seen anything like that before and I might never see anything like that again or experience that again And man just you don't get that with a Disney live-action remake

Harrison Fredericks (01:32:17.514)
Yeah, absolutely. That was a once in a lifetime kind of film. And it was so refreshing. And I think people have been praising it for so many reasons, because the industry is in this state of sequels, spinoffs, remakes. How many times can we tell the same thing over and over again, before people get sick of it? And so they, yeah, that movie was just like off the charts, original.

Eli Price (01:32:21.803)
Yeah.

Harrison Fredericks (01:32:47.086)
creative, like controversial in some ways, but nonetheless just like visually engaging. Yeah, dude, that movie is incredible. I did a video talking about why it won the Oscars because it like, yeah, it won seven Oscars which is like winning one or two is a good night for any film or studio, but to win seven, I mean, that's a big deal.

Eli Price (01:32:48.639)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:33:03.975)
Yes, I watched that. Yeah.

Harrison Fredericks (01:33:16.958)
And I think that was a real, that's a, yes.

Eli Price (01:33:17.239)
It is a big deal, especially for a movie like that. That's very not an Academy style of movie, you know?

Harrison Fredericks (01:33:23.518)
Yes, and I think that was a wake up call to a lot of creative people in Hollywood to say, this is how you make something original clever and you can be rewarded for that. You don't have to go the route of cash grab, let's repeat, rinse and repeat that kind of process.

Eli Price (01:33:36.728)
Good night.

Eli Price (01:33:44.127)
Right. Yeah. And as soon as I walked out of the movie and I've stuck to it since, you know, I texted some of my friends and I was like, this movie will be like a decade defining movie. Like, and I still believe that I think it will be like a decade defining movie for the 2020s. Like people will look back on the 2020s and they'll be like everything everywhere all at once. One of the movies of that decade that kind of defined it. And

you know, set it on a trajectory. So hopefully alongside some of these Disney remakes, we can get more movies like that. That, you know, really make me want to go sit in the theater to watch it, you know. But yes, so we're going to move out of our live action remake talk and move into our movie draft section. So.

Yeah, if you're tuning into this segment for the first time, basically how our movie drafts work is they're kind of like, you know, I'm a big fantasy football guy, and so I'm used to like this idea of drafting players. But if you're not familiar with that, it's basically just think about like you're picking your you're picking your kickball team out on the playground. Like you want to pick.

the best players. Like you don't want the kid that like is going to whiff on the ball every time. You want the kid that's going to like kick that thing way out into the outfield and get you some runs in. So maybe that's a better analogy for some people of how this works. But basically we're going to be drafting Disney animated classics to kind of go along with our Disney talk. Now Disney animated classics, it's not just any animated Disney movie.

Disney kind of has these movies starting way back with Snow White was the very first Disney animated classic quote unquote. And they have through the years kind of started they've dubbed these specific movies as they've released them. These are our animated classics. And so at this point, there are 61 the first obviously, like I said, being Snow White and the most recent one was strange world.

Eli Price (01:36:08.707)
which came out last year, which I have not seen. I have not seen Strange World. Yeah. Yeah.

Harrison Fredericks (01:36:13.438)
Yeah, I did not see that one either. I don't think it got a lot of good press when it came out, and I think that really hindered people from seeing it. And then, yeah.

Eli Price (01:36:20.982)
Yeah, so.

Yeah, so I have actually seen almost all of these. I'll get to why in my recommendations section. I have a fun recommendation, but I've seen, I think there's only four that I haven't seen out of all of these. Yeah, so.

Harrison Fredericks (01:36:35.755)
Okay.

Harrison Fredericks (01:36:41.142)
Wow. Dude, that's crazy.

I mean, hey, I was a Disney child growing up too, so I think we may have some overlap. There are a couple in there from maybe like the 70s and 80s that I just totally missed, but I'm pretty familiar with this list as well.

Eli Price (01:36:48.212)
Yeah, absolutely.

Eli Price (01:37:00.007)
Yeah, so we're going to jump into a Harry, you're the guest for today. So I'm going to give you the first pick in the draft, which it bites. It comes back to bite me too. Um, in past drafts. So yeah, go ahead. Number one, what are you picking?

Harrison Fredericks (01:37:07.191)
Oh, you shouldn't do that.

Harrison Fredericks (01:37:13.1)
Yeah. Dude, I man my all time favorite animated movie. It just so happens to be a Disney classic from the 90s. I grew up watching it. I it was so important to me as a child that I would literally act out the characters. But so I'll explain in a sec. I'm drafting the Lion King.

Eli Price (01:37:34.453)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:37:39.603)
Yes. Yes.

Harrison Fredericks (01:37:39.73)
as number one overall, like no contest. And I'll explain that the, I was a child acting out as a lion, okay? This is how, that's how important it was to me. Like I literally would crawl around on the floor with a friend of mine and I would be Simba and she would be Nala and we would just like act out the movie because it was so awesome. It was so epic. I mean, Hans Zimmer composed the score, one of the all time great composers.

Eli Price (01:37:49.687)
Ha ha ha ha.

Eli Price (01:37:58.051)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:38:06.404)
Oh yeah.

Harrison Fredericks (01:38:09.698)
Composing for a children's movie, it's a combination that you would never expect, but it just creates this epic children's masterpiece. And I watched it a couple months ago, and I was just reminded as an adult, how special it is to me. So I'm drafting that one overall, first overall.

Eli Price (01:38:15.104)
Right.

Eli Price (01:38:28.513)
Yeah.

Eli Price (01:38:31.775)
Yeah, I mean that to be honest that probably would have been my number one pick two. Um, I grew up with the lion king, you know, I was, um, I think I was three years old when the lion king came out in 94 and so, um, man, I, you know, I grew up just watching this movie, uh, loving it and, uh, actually recently, um, when my son turned four.

we were like hey when you turn four we can do like a movie night and We watched the Lion King for his movie night So he's seen he's like watched other movies before but that was our first time It's like he gets to stay up late a little bit later eat some popcorn with us and watch a movie and man he he actually got a Simba like a stuffed Simba for Christmas and he

He sleeps with it every night. Like he loves it. Like he'll walk in the room and be like, daddy look and he's like, like kissing his Simba. Like, so yeah, the Lion King is a special to me from my childhood and you know, it's cool to see it like my son like loves it too, already like at four years old. So yeah, you know, great choice. I'm gonna go with another one.

Harrison Fredericks (01:39:38.065)
That's great.

Eli Price (01:39:58.483)
from the 90s as my number two choice. It's actually, I've been working on a rankings list for all these, and I actually had one move up to number one that I'm going to save because I think I can get it later in the draft. But it actually moved above Lion King for me just as an adult. Putting trying to put my nostalgia aside, I moved it up to number one, but I'll get to it. I think I can I think I can get it later.

Harrison Fredericks (01:40:13.907)
Okay, okay.

Eli Price (01:40:27.531)
But I'm gonna go with my number three on my rankings list, and that is Beauty and the Beast. I mean, it's just an incredible movie. The songs are incredible. The story is interesting and engaging. Angela Lansbury, like...

I don't know if you, when the last time you like listened to that like main song, uh, I can't, is it just called Beauty and the Beast? I think? Um, but um.

Harrison Fredericks (01:41:03.882)
I think so. I should know that because this is like probably my second favorite animated movie.

Eli Price (01:41:10.515)
Yeah, yeah, so it's I mean, I actually like really like tuned in the last time I heard it and like listen to the words and it's like it's actually like an incredibly written song. So yeah, Beauty and the Beast. Making my wife proud. It's her favorite Disney movie. So she she loves reading books and so she's like I am Bell. So making.

making her proud. Yeah, absolutely. So rough exterior, handsome underneath, you know. But yeah, Beauty and the Beast is going to be my number one pick. So where are you going to go number two?

Harrison Fredericks (01:41:39.901)
That's great. Hey, that makes you the beast, right? Let's go Eli.

Harrison Fredericks (01:41:57.526)
Dude, that's a really great question. There's, I mean, there's so many from the 90s that I could pick just because that's what I'm the most familiar with, but I don't wanna sleep on the early days like when Walt was in the studio drawing. So I don't know a good spot for this one, but this one is Walt, if I remember correctly, it's Walt Disney's last movie.

Eli Price (01:42:06.371)
Sure, yeah.

Eli Price (01:42:14.039)
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

Harrison Fredericks (01:42:26.526)
It's the last one that he was involved in. And it was, it has just such a classy animated feel to it that as a kid, it's recognizable even to like young children that like, man, this is just special. And I'm gonna go 101 Dalmatians, but I think I wanna draft it like number four. I don't wanna, you know, I wanna leave some room.

Eli Price (01:42:26.775)
Okay.

Eli Price (01:42:45.716)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:42:48.957)
Oh yeah.

Harrison Fredericks (01:42:56.646)
I think there's some better ones in there, but I just really want to get this one on the list before I forget. So I'm going to take 101 Dalmatians at slot number four.

Eli Price (01:43:02.721)
Yeah, sure.

Eli Price (01:43:07.699)
Okay, okay, so you're taking it here as number two off the board, but it would probably be number four on your, like, if you were to rank your list here. Okay.

Harrison Fredericks (01:43:16.203)
on my list. Yeah.

Yes. So is that what you did with your number three or you took Beauty and the Beast number one on your draft?

Eli Price (01:43:25.759)
No, I took it number one. So like, I'm basically like, I'm saying it's number three on my rankings list, but I'm gonna go ahead and take it, so because I felt like you might take it if I don't take it now, sort of thing. But yeah.

Harrison Fredericks (01:43:27.948)
Okay.

Harrison Fredericks (01:43:33.412)
Oh, okay. I missed that part.

Harrison Fredericks (01:43:38.594)
Okay, gotcha. Yeah, see I've never been in a draft before so I mean fantasy football that counts I guess

Eli Price (01:43:45.712)
Yeah, no worries. Yeah, yeah. So just think of it as that. Like I want to take this movie before Eli can get it. Because, yeah.

Harrison Fredericks (01:43:55.73)
Okay, so then in the spirit of a draft, I should probably move 101 dimensions to number 2, correct? Let's do that, okay? I don't want to break this system.

Eli Price (01:44:02.555)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. Yeah, I think I think one hundred and one Dalmatians is a great pick. It's pretty high up on my list. I have all my like rankings. So like basically in letterboxed, I have my rankings list. And so I'm kind of like using that as a as a basis for knowing what I really love and want to pick. So I'm going to go with my second pick. I'm going to go back even further.

All the way back to 1940 and pick one of my favorites in Pinocchio It's

Eli Price (01:44:45.299)
It's amazing to see when I watched Pinocchio a couple years ago, it was the first time I'd seen it probably since I was a kid. And what really stood out to me was like Pinocchio was an animated movie made in the in 1940, but it like has camera movements like you're not just watching like drawings, like frames of drawings move like it has like.

camera move it's like it's following Pinocchio and the wolf like down the road and I was just like this is incredible like that they were able to create this like this illusion of camera movements like in 1940 with their animation and then on top of that just like the story to me is is just so engaging just like that idea of like

What does it mean to be a human? Like, what does it mean to be a real, like a real boy? It's just really like engaging to me and intriguing to think through, like, you know, what is it that Pinocchio does or decides to do that makes him real, makes him human, that sort of thing that we all think about. So, yeah, I'm going Pinocchio. So.

Harrison Fredericks (01:46:06.966)
Nice, it's a good pick.

Eli Price (01:46:07.735)
So yeah, you've got Lion King and 100 Dalmatians. I got Biggie and the Beast and Pinocchio. Where are you going next?

Harrison Fredericks (01:46:14.466)
All right, I think I gotta go music, okay? Because musicals were a very integral part of my film watching experience as a kid. I mentioned that in the very beginning of this podcast, but music to me is storytelling. So if you can have a score that is composed or an original soundtrack that is just off the charts, it's gotta be on the list for me. So for number three, I'm gonna take Tarzan.

the power of Phil Collins is undeniable, at least in the 90s, it's undeniable. I know he's bankrupt now, but in the 90s, this guy was off the charts. Like, I could probably sing the entire soundtrack to myself. And I know that some people, like, don't like the fact that it is just Phil Collins, like, singing the entire movie, but I'm okay with it. Like, he's really talented.

Eli Price (01:46:44.822)
OK.

Eli Price (01:46:49.277)
Yeah, sure, sure.

Eli Price (01:46:55.479)
Oh yeah.

Harrison Fredericks (01:47:14.43)
Um, he has that one song that everybody knows, you know, I can hear it calling in the air tonight, whatever that one's called. Uh, so just like listening to that on repeat, I could do that. And the, I also had a, uh, Nintendo 64 video game for Tarzan. So that only like boosted my fandom of Tarzan, that story. So it's up there.

Eli Price (01:47:20.288)
Right. Yeah.

Eli Price (01:47:33.164)
Nice.

Harrison Fredericks (01:47:41.278)
It's the music, the music is what does it for me. So Tarzan number three.

Eli Price (01:47:45.547)
That's fair. Yeah, I actually had a Lion King game on Super Nintendo when I was a kid. So that might age me a little bit with the Super Nintendo reference. But yeah, Tarzan is one of those that I loved as a kid. I remember seeing it in theaters. I have this memory of coming out of the theater and I was probably like... I think that was like 99-ish. So...

Harrison Fredericks (01:47:55.519)
Hahaha!

Eli Price (01:48:15.911)
Was about eight years old and coming out of theater like wanting to like run like ape like like Tarzan and stuff Yeah Yes, which what a cool like what a cool like thing to watch but like watching it recently me and my wife watched it not that long ago and Man, I just didn't connect with it the same it's one of those that like just didn't age as well with me and

Harrison Fredericks (01:48:22.922)
You wanted to slide down some vines on your feet? Yeah. Ha ha ha.

Eli Price (01:48:45.247)
I don't know, me and my wife have kind of fought about it and it's probably a hot take, but I don't really think Phil Collins' music works for the story. And you know, I get why it works for some people, but for me, it's like he kind of has like one trick and like it's just that same thing. Like it's that very emotional synthy like

boom boom boom boom like and you're supposed to like connect with that but like Tarzan the story has this like pretty wide emotional range and like For me when I watched this time One of the things that was like discombobulating was like there there's these like wide range of emotions going on on screen, but then like it's just like Phil Collins with his like one trick and

And he does it well like don't get me wrong like Phil you you hear a Phil Collins song And you know it's Phil Collins like that's there's something to say about that But it just didn't work for me this time in this movie, and maybe I just wasn't in the mood for it You know maybe I need to watch it again the yet

Harrison Fredericks (01:50:00.054)
Maybe you need to have a really large meal from Cane's to really just like put you in the mood.

Eli Price (01:50:02.899)
Yes, to relax. Yeah, but yeah, let's uh, let's keep going. I'm gonna pick my third one here um And i'm gonna go with Mulan Mulan for me, um is another one that you know, I remember vividly from my childhood. Um And uh, man it it has incredible music it has a cool story it has um the song be a man, which is just

a banger to just sing out loud in the shower, you know, and so, yeah, Mulan is it's really good and really to like just what an incredible female character. Like I feel like Disney, I feel like Mulan, like they've had tons of great female characters through the years. But to me, Mulan was just like, I don't know, she's like the

definitive, strong female Disney character for me, I think. But, you know...

Harrison Fredericks (01:51:07.574)
Yeah, she's probably the only like Disney princess that kind of fights. I mean, I know they've started to introduce more of that fighting into the Disney princesses with like Elsa, Moana, things like that. But like the OG Disney princesses, Mulan was probably the most like BA.

Eli Price (01:51:12.627)
Yeah, yeah, like, Anna's good at it. Ha ha.

Eli Price (01:51:19.719)
Right. Yeah, Raya especially.

Eli Price (01:51:28.955)
Oh yeah, for sure. So yeah, that's my pick. Going with Mulan.

Harrison Fredericks (01:51:34.718)
Yeah, that's a good one. Also soundtrack, soundtrack is fire on that one. Plus Eddie Murphy as playing a dragon, come on. Who would not be a fan of that?

Eli Price (01:51:37.831)
Yeah. Oh yeah.

Eli Price (01:51:42.495)
Hehehehe

Yeah.

Alright, where are you going next? This is your fourth pick.

Harrison Fredericks (01:51:51.366)
All right, so number four. So it's got to be something like mid tier because I think some of the best ones have already been taken. But I think there's still room for some 90s love. I might be able to get some older ones in at the very end. So I think I'm going to try to work some more 90s in before you sweep them up. I think.

Eli Price (01:52:14.793)
Alright.

Harrison Fredericks (01:52:21.294)
Pocahontas was legit as a child. Like I, because I had super blonde hair as a kid, I like thought I was John Smith. And yeah, I just like, that is another one. I think the soundtrack for, I think pretty much all of my picks at this point has been a central theme. So that.

Eli Price (01:52:31.884)
Hehehehe

Yeah, sure.

Harrison Fredericks (01:52:49.614)
Could be a tell of like kind of where my head is at for most of these movies. But.

Eli Price (01:52:49.732)
Sure, yeah.

Eli Price (01:52:53.939)
Yeah. Yeah, Pocahontas for me is like the thing I like most about it is the music. So yeah.

Harrison Fredericks (01:53:01.054)
Yeah, I also really like the animation of kind of like the world through Pocahontas's eyes. So oh man, just like her song just around the river bend is a great one, like some really like beautiful and like 2d animation of just the forest and her interacting with it.

Eli Price (01:53:13.514)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:53:19.304)
Yeah.

Harrison Fredericks (01:53:29.318)
I also really liked the way, was it Mother Tree? Is that the name? Or, yeah, Grandmother Willow something. That animation is just like super clean looking. I love that 2D style. And I think there's just some really beautiful imagery in that movie. I know it's not historically accurate. I know that, you know, history tells a different story than what Disney tried to spin on it.

Eli Price (01:53:33.683)
Yeah, yeah, it's like Willow or something like that. Yeah. Yeah.

Eli Price (01:53:44.695)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:53:51.674)
Yeah, sure.

Eli Price (01:53:57.781)
Mm-hmm.

Harrison Fredericks (01:53:58.562)
But that being out of the equation, I think there is still something really important that it says about, you know, just the way that things like things did not go down smoothly when British settlers got over here. And so to have that relationship and to try to, I think, inspire people, especially younger people to

extend the olive branch to make peace with people who don't look like you. I think there's a really important message in that film.

Eli Price (01:54:29.865)
Yeah, sure.

Eli Price (01:54:33.387)
Yeah, yeah, it's a good pick. And there's a reason we're picking so many 90s movies because the, you know, it's called the Disney Renaissance for a reason. And man, they they really had like the hand drawn animation just like down to a T at this point is just so good. It's kind of like right after really like right after Tarzan, they start trying to mix in CGI and they had like a little period where there was.

It was awkward and they didn't, they weren't real sure what they were doing yet with the CGI animation. But yeah, the yeah, that hand drawn 90s animation is just so good. Yeah, I'm I'm struggling here. I have some that I have ranked higher, but I really want to give some more some shout out to some more unique stuff. And something that I've always like felt was just really fun. And in.

interesting, you know, like something that really intrigues me or like makes me like think about the possibilities of like what art can be is Fantasia. So this is my second movie from 1940. Man, you know, it's that series of shorts set to music with a live orchestra playing, you know, and it's just like this idea, you know, you'll have

the commentator kind of come on and say, you know, this is like what the song is called and this is what the Disney animators were thinking about when they listen to this song. And so now you're going to see it. And then you get to watch like what these animators imagined to this music like on screen. And to me, that's just like, it's really cool. And I think it's cool, you know.

I'm interested one day to show this to my kids and see, you know, if they they might, I don't know, they might just think it's boring. Or maybe they like will be able to engage with it and like see new possibilities of like what art can be like and how different art forms can mix. So, yeah, I really love Fantasia. I think it's just a unique movie and in the Disney animated classics, for sure.

Harrison Fredericks (01:56:55.826)
Yeah, that's one that is, there's very little dialogue, if I remember correctly, right? It's just like a symphony. It's like an orchestra the whole time, right?

Eli Price (01:57:02.799)
Yeah, yeah, so there's most of the most of it is just like the music and then you're watching like There's a there's a story playing out in all these little there's basically, you know a series of shorts for all intents and purposes And there's definitely like stories that you're watching play out, but it's almost like watching a silent film Uh to a degree so Um, yeah, it's really cool

Yeah, where are you going with your fifth pick?

Harrison Fredericks (01:57:35.454)
I think it's time to throw it back some oldies but some goldies. I think I got to go.

Harrison Fredericks (01:57:45.35)
Man, there's like three or four that I could go with and I could run the risk of being canceled for this pick. But I think I gotta do it. I gotta go Peter Pan for number five. I know Peter Pan has its problems. It has some problems in it.

Eli Price (01:57:55.875)
Just do it.

Okay. Okay. Yeah.

Eli Price (01:58:04.659)
Absolutely, it does. We all know it.

Harrison Fredericks (01:58:11.794)
We all have a little bit of problems with us, right? Like none of us are perfect. We all have some things that we've done or said that we regret, right? That shouldn't diminish the imaginative capability that the overarching story of Peter Pan is. And there's a reason why it's been adapted and redone so many times, is because it is like the ultimate kid's story.

Eli Price (01:58:13.923)
Ha ha ha.

Eli Price (01:58:20.779)
Right.

Eli Price (01:58:32.009)
Mm-hmm.

Harrison Fredericks (01:58:39.746)
The idea of Neverland, the idea of not growing up as a kid, I mean, that's just like heaven, right? Having an arch nemesis who is a pirate with a hook for a hand, like these are all things that kids dream of in their head without ever like really saying it. And I think Peter Pan as a story, if you can look through,

Eli Price (01:58:45.657)
Mm-hmm.

Oh yeah, for sure.

Eli Price (01:58:53.863)
Yes. Yes.

Harrison Fredericks (01:59:08.81)
the issues that it has. It's one of the all time, like classic children's stories. And I know that, is Peter Pan one of those grim stories that Disney adapted?

Eli Price (01:59:23.275)
I'm not sure, honestly. Uh, I don't know where their original story came from.

Harrison Fredericks (01:59:25.23)
Because I know that Disney, yeah, I'm not familiar with the original, like who did it first. I do know that Disney has adapted grim stories, which, you know, original source material is much darker, but I don't think this one is.

Eli Price (01:59:31.991)
Mm-hmm.

Eli Price (01:59:36.246)
Yeah.

I want to say no, but yeah. Yeah. I mean, Peter Pan is, is it's one of those stories. That's just like a classic story. And, you know, we all know that the native American sequence is just like, ah, you can't just can't do that, you know, but, but, you know, that aside, you know, it's, it's fun. It's a fun story. You know, it's interesting. It's got those themes of growing up, but.

Yeah, I think Peter Pan is a good pick. It wouldn't be... It's not high on my list, but... To pick from, but yeah, still a good pick. I'm gonna go... I think I'm gonna be able to save... My recently new favorite Disney movie for last, so... This is my, yeah, my fifth pick, so... I'm gonna save it for seven, and hopefully you don't take it. I don't think you will, but... But yeah, it might surprise people.

Harrison Fredericks (02:00:34.301)
Okay, okay.

Eli Price (02:00:38.531)
I'm gonna go with You know what I'm gonna go with the 1977 the many adventures of Winnie the Pooh Man, I watched this Movie I think I've watched it Several times at this point because there was a period where my son wanted to watch it every time we would watch something and you know, he

He doesn't really watch the whole thing. So you'll watch part of it and then cut it off and then watch the rest later. But yeah, it's it's just a good it just is a feel good movie. And then you get the moment at the very end with Christopher Robin and Winnie the Pooh. That's like kind of heart wrenching and like touching. And I just there the characters are also fun. It's just it's Winnie the Pooh. Like what's not to love?

Harrison Fredericks (02:01:39.03)
Yeah, Winnie the Pooh is that that's another one of those all time. Just like, man, this was so done. This was so made for children, but it also grows. It grows with you as you get older, which is that's that's pretty awesome. Sure.

Eli Price (02:01:39.107)
So yeah, that's my fifth.

Eli Price (02:01:47.849)
Oh yeah.

Eli Price (02:01:51.559)
Yeah, and not the newer one. The newer one is good because there's actually two Disney animated classics, but that 70s one is just so good. But yeah, where are you going with your sixth pick?

Harrison Fredericks (02:02:03.338)
Alright, I think I'm staying in the oldies for right now. I'm just gonna throw it out there. The rescuers.

Eli Price (02:02:13.772)
Okay.

Harrison Fredericks (02:02:14.518)
This one, there are probably two other people. Now I'm gonna say one other person who's my age who has seen this movie and it's my sister. And the reason why is because this movie is not, it's not on anyone's radar, okay? The only reason it's on my radar is because like, we were just a Disney house growing up. So anything,

Eli Price (02:02:25.123)
Okay.

Eli Price (02:02:35.648)
Yeah, that's true.

Eli Price (02:02:41.621)
Sure. Yeah.

Harrison Fredericks (02:02:44.262)
that my parents watched when they were younger was on. This movie came out in the 70s, right?

Eli Price (02:02:55.679)
Yeah, it was 77. Same, actually same year as Winnie the, many adventures of Winnie the Pooh, yeah.

Harrison Fredericks (02:02:57.762)
77

So yeah, my parents were not like, they weren't kids, they weren't babies in the mid 70s. They were like elementary school age at that point, I believe. But yeah, I think that that's the reason this movie trickled down to us, is because like they liked it. So they were like, hey, watch this. And I mean, I think it's a really cool adventure. It's one of those just very simple.

Eli Price (02:03:21.495)
Sure. Yeah.

Harrison Fredericks (02:03:30.226)
Uh, not too much to handle kids movies and there's

Eli Price (02:03:34.311)
Yeah, there's not like a lot that you're it's just like an adventure movie

Harrison Fredericks (02:03:39.062)
There's it's a very simple and gentle adventure movie from the 70s about mice who help a girl escape her crazy aunt who wants to abuse her to get a diamond like it's it's so straightforward. There's nothing complex about it and I think it has a real yes she like rides alligators the crazy aunt like rides alligators like for fun.

Eli Price (02:03:53.844)
Right.

Eli Price (02:03:58.327)
Like, bizarre, but straightforward.

Harrison Fredericks (02:04:07.786)
which they should probably remake that and like put it in LaughYet or something. Like make that the setting, that'd be fun. But yeah, that's my number six.

Eli Price (02:04:11.643)
Yeah, they could shoot it. Well, I'll be an extra in that. Yeah, I mean, if it is, if Disney is going to make any all this money off these remakes, I might as well get some of it. Yeah. But yeah, rescue is OK. That's one that I've that I watched in the not too distant past that I thought was fine. You know, I thought it was not.

Harrison Fredericks (02:04:23.214)
Might as well.

Eli Price (02:04:38.999)
It wasn't terrible, not my favorite, but you know, it is just a very simple story for sure. Um, yeah, so number, this is my sixth pick where we're nearing the end here. Uh, I feel like.

Man, it's hard because I want to make sure I hit enough kind of eras to get like a versatile kind of list. I think what I'm going to do here is go with one from 1951 that's just kind of like a trip of a movie in Alice in Wonderland. It's just like...

It's sort of like, you know, The Rescuers is like straightforward, simple movie. Um, and to me, I guess Alice in Wonderland is not, not necessarily simple or straightforward, but like, uh, it doesn't have a lot of peripheral stuff going on is just kind of like you're in this strange world and you don't know what's going to happen. Um, and, uh, I don't know to me, that's, uh, interesting.

And I think it's like I think it brings something to the table that like not a lot of Disney movies do It's just a very different story a very different sort of fantastical strange Almost like Charmingly scary in a way that a lot of Disney stuff isn't You know, you've got the Cheshire cat showing up So yeah to me it's just

It's just a standout. It's interesting and unique among all these movies. So I'm gonna go with yeah, Alice in Wonderland. Yeah.

Harrison Fredericks (02:06:37.614)
Cool. I honestly, I don't think I've really seen that one all the way through. Like I've seen bits and pieces, but I don't think I've sat all the way through it. So I should probably add that to my list.

Eli Price (02:06:42.92)
Really? Okay.

Eli Price (02:06:51.123)
Yes, absolutely you should.

Eli Price (02:06:57.707)
All right, what you got last? This is your last one.

Harrison Fredericks (02:07:01.022)
Last one. So should I go with the solid nine, should I go in the Renaissance where I know I can get another solid pick or should I do something a little riskier? I mean, I feel like the rescuers was pretty risky, but maybe. I'm not sure. I don't know.

Eli Price (02:07:16.263)
Yes, absolutely. You, I didn't tell you this, but I am going to make a poll pitting our picks against each other. So keep that in mind when you're making this last pick, what's going to set your, your list over the edge to beat mine.

Harrison Fredericks (02:07:22.622)
Okay. Perfect. Yeah. I.

Harrison Fredericks (02:07:32.427)
Yeah, I think I have my risky pick, so maybe I should go with a safer one. And I'm gonna make this pick and I'm only gonna say one word, okay? The word is genie. I'm going with Aladdin. Robin Williams is, he's not Aladdin, but he is Aladdin, you know what I'm saying? Like

Eli Price (02:07:49.288)
Okay. Yeah, I'll add it.

Eli Price (02:07:57.577)
Right. Yeah.

Harrison Fredericks (02:07:59.51)
The amount of laughter I get from watching Aladdin, just because Robin Williams is in it, is absolutely the only reason I should ever watch that movie. Jafar is great. I actually do like Jafar as a villain. He may be one of my favorite Disney villains. I think he is like a sinister, just evil as all evil could be. And...

Eli Price (02:08:15.436)
OK.

Sure, yeah.

Eli Price (02:08:27.135)
Hmm.

Harrison Fredericks (02:08:28.638)
It's funny though, because I'm not really saying much about Aladdin, because I don't think he's really like that dynamic of a hero. Of course he did fumbling. Yes, he is the I guess gullible idiot maybe that we just sort of are like, yeah, dude, you'll get it at some point. But yeah, I'm just so locked in whenever Genie is on the screen.

Eli Price (02:08:33.365)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:08:41.591)
He's a fumbling hero, you know.

Eli Price (02:08:52.073)
Mm-hmm.

Harrison Fredericks (02:08:59.086)
And also whenever Jafar is there, because he's just like causing trouble and he's just so sinister, I like him as a villain. So I'm gonna go Aladdin and hopefully that is like a solid rounding pick. I'm sure a lot of people would put that one way higher, but I think this gives me a good, a good safe pick to end on.

Eli Price (02:09:03.064)
Yeah.

Eli Price (02:09:14.227)
Yeah, sure.

Eli Price (02:09:19.771)
Oh yeah, for sure. And you know, there's, um, there's the Aladdin's another one with just great songs, you know, um, you know, it starts off with, I can't, I can't think of the words to it, but it's that song that's like, and it's just like such a, like, it makes you want to like get up and run around, uh, Agaba with him, you know, uh, and it makes you.

Harrison Fredericks (02:09:37.654)
Yeah, yeah.

Eli Price (02:09:46.919)
It's a very musical kind of song like it's it's a song that feels like you could see it like on Broadway Because it just has that like that kind of like dancey sing songy feel to it, which is really fun But yeah, that's probably my favorite song in that movie I don't know if that's a hot take or not, but I mean, I know there's a whole new world But that might be my least favorite song in the whole movie to be honest Yeah

Harrison Fredericks (02:09:53.415)
Oh yeah.

Harrison Fredericks (02:10:06.583)
Hahaha

Harrison Fredericks (02:10:12.434)
Yeah, that's fair. I mean, Genie's song is great. I think that one's probably my favorite.

Eli Price (02:10:21.651)
Yeah, so there's a lot of places I can go here. I've been going off my rankings list, which doesn't include all of the movies. So there's some newer ones that I really love, like Big Hero 6 is just, I love that movie. It's such a good tale of like sacrifice and like doing something for a friend, like sacrificing yourself for a friend and...

Moana to me is just like an incredible movie about like Calling like something like Beyond Yourself like out there like calling you to something greater And yeah, I love Moana But I'm going with something That might hurt me. I have this tendency in these drafts like I make these picks that End up coming back to bite me

We'll just see. We don't know how these polls are going to turn out. But we'll see what the people think. But I'm going with. Actually, another 90s movie in the hunchback of Notre Dame. I was blown away. I watched this recently, I believe. When did I see this? It was.

Like a couple months ago, me and my wife watched this and I was blown away, first of all, by like the... Just the way the camera moves through this like animated world. It's, you know, obviously like you've got these grand buildings and the cameras like moving through them. And it's actually like pretty well done animation.

And like, I think it has the best character introduction that I've ever seen in a Disney movie with like the bells of Notre Dame song, like introducing, introducing Quasimodo. It's just like, man, it's just an incredible movie and it it's very mature, I think is the thing that struck me the most. Like, it's dealing like very seriously with these like very religious themes.

Eli Price (02:12:48.763)
Um, you know, and I just was very struck by that. Um, and it, it dealt with it very maturely and, um, meaningfully. So yeah, that's my pick that has become one of my new favorite Disney movies here recently, the hunchback of Notre Dame. So I'm going to read, uh, I'm going to read back our lists. Um,

And we will be putting a poll out so the people can decide who drafted the best Disney animated classics list So, uh, haerson has the lion king 101 dalmatians tarsan pocahontas peter pan and the rescuers And I missed your last one. I didn't write it down Your last one was latin. So Yeah, that's a that's a great list

Harrison Fredericks (02:13:39.824)
Oh, it was Aladdin.

Harrison Fredericks (02:13:48.11)
Thank you, thank you. I spent a lot of time crafting it. A lot of thought went into this one.

Eli Price (02:13:48.131)
I think, yeah.

Eli Price (02:13:53.371)
Yeah, so my list is Beauty and the Beast, Pinocchio, Mulan, Fantasia, the many adventures of Winnie the Pooh, Alice in Wonderland, and the Hunchback of Notre Dame. So yeah, we'll put a poll out and let the people decide who has the best list. Yeah, so we're going to wrap things up with our recommendations of the week. This is just a fun...

segment to end things off with something it can be anything. You can recommend a movie, a TV show, you know, a really good meal you had. Yeah, what have you got for us this week, Harrison?

Harrison Fredericks (02:14:31.402)
My recommendation is gonna be a TV show. Me and Sammy have been enjoying this HBO show called Barry. It is not for the faint of heart. It is very, like it's definitely an adult show. It's very like dark comedy. It's got some brutal action to it, but dude, it's created by Bill Hader, who I love. He's like one of my favorite comedians.

Eli Price (02:14:34.045)
Okay.

Eli Price (02:14:39.765)
Okay.

Harrison Fredericks (02:14:58.35)
and he takes a really unique approach to comedy and action. And it is just so clever and so enjoyable. It's not for the faint of heart, you know, it's almost like Breaking Bad meets, I mean, I don't know, SNL in a sense. Like there is that just swinging dynamic of, this is really serious, but that is also supposed to be laughed at.

Eli Price (02:15:19.861)
Okay, yeah.

Eli Price (02:15:27.755)
Yeah, yeah.

Harrison Fredericks (02:15:28.738)
It's a really fun dynamic. And I think Bill Hader has like created a team and a show that is very original and unique. So we're actually watching the last season right now. There's only four seasons, but yeah, Barry on HBO. If you want something, you know, like John Wick style, but you also just wanna laugh, I recommend it.

Eli Price (02:15:53.607)
Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I don't even know if I've heard of that. So yeah, that's, that's a fun recommendation or maybe intense. I don't know. It sounds a little bit of both. Um, yeah. So yeah, that check that out. Uh, my recommendation, it kind of relates to, um, our movie draft. I had mentioned my rankings. I've actually been over the past like several years, you know, when you have kids, it kind of slows things down.

Harrison Fredericks (02:16:02.997)
Hahaha

Eli Price (02:16:23.395)
But my wife and I, when Disney Plus first came out, so I mean, I guess it's been like four years because that was like, what, 2019 when Disney Plus came out. We've been slowly but surely watching through all of the Disney animated classics in release order. So we started with Snow White and went through Pinocchio and Fantasia and all those movies. And so we've watched

We've been watching through chronologically all these movies. And yeah, I recommend maybe doing that with your spouse, your girlfriend, your boyfriend, just a friend, whatever, whoever you like to watch movies with. I recommend it because it's just been fun. We'll watch one. We'll talk about it, how it kind of ranks.

I'm against all the other ones and we've each been logging and like collecting like our ranking of them on my letterbox. You know, I have my list and then I made a list for her because she doesn't have a letterbox. But yeah, and so like seeing like, hey, where where did you rank it? Like, oh, where did you rank it? And just like, yeah, it's it's just been really fun. We're 40 something movies in at this point. We're in we're in the section that like.

It's just like really bad. Like I think the latest one we watched was Brother Bear And then the next one is Home on the Range So we're actually hitting a few in the next few movies that i've never seen So Home on the Range i've never seen Chicken Little i've never seen Bolt i've never seen um, so Oh, yeah, so you do hit some you do hit some eras where you're like trudging through

Harrison Fredericks (02:17:56.491)
Oh, okay. Yeah.

Harrison Fredericks (02:18:10.818)
Yeah, that mid-2000s era is a little quirky.

Eli Price (02:18:19.723)
But it's still fun because you get to kind of like doing it. I recommend doing it with someone else so that you can like it gives you the motivation and someone to like laugh at how terrible this movie might be with someone instead of having to just like endure it yourself. So but yeah, it's been really fun to watch through these. We're we're looking forward to getting past this terrible era of Disney movies and jumping back in when.

with the Princess and the Frog when that comes up. So yeah, that's my recommendation of the week. Find someone that you love to watch movies with and just start watching through all the old Disney movies all the way up to the most recent ones. You can just Google Disney animated classics list and it'll bring up, there's a good list on IMDB that actually breaks them up into the eras of Disney movies. So it's pretty cool.

But yeah, that's my recommendation Harry before we go. Why don't you tell people where they can find you? YouTube Instagram yeah, give them do all the plugs

Harrison Fredericks (02:19:30.766)
Cool, definitely check out my YouTube channel. It's called at Harry's. It's spelled A-T space and then Harry. So there's no at symbol, but yeah, I'm on YouTube making videos almost every week, talking about movies. I've actually been doing a couple movie reaction videos, which has been really fun. You can also follow at Harry's on TikTok and Instagram. I post short clips on there as well. And

Eli Price (02:19:50.039)
Yeah.

Harrison Fredericks (02:19:58.57)
You can also follow me on Letterboxd. I do movie reviews in about five words or less on Letterboxd, which is just like a fun challenge for me. And I've been enjoying that.

Eli Price (02:20:09.127)
Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, and I'll make sure that stuff is in the episode description so you can find links to all that there But yeah, it's been great having you on Harry. I look forward to You know having you on again in the future and digging deep into these movies, but that's gonna be it for this week Next week we're gonna be covering the life aquatic with Steve's this sue so we get to look forward to that

But yeah, that's all we have for today. Thank you for joining us with the establishing shot and we look forward to Seeing you next week on the show Take it easy